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File-Sharing Site Was Actually an Anti-Piracy Honeypot

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the oh-bother dept.

Piracy 225

An anonymous reader writes "The administrator of file-sharing site UploaderTalk shocked and enraged his userbase a few days ago when he revealed that the site was nothing more than a honeypot set up by a company called Nuke Piracy. The main purpose of the site had been to gather data on its users. The administrator said, 'I collected info on file hosts, web hosts, websites. I suckered $#!&loads of you. I built a history, got the trust of some very important people in the warez scene collecting information and data all the time.' Nobody knows what Nuke Piracy is going to do with the data, but it seems reasonable to expect lawsuits and the further investigation of any services the users discussed. His very public betrayal is likely meant to sow discord and distrust among the groups responsible for distributing pirated files."

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Good thing no one used it (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245567)

Seriously, UploaderTalk is a no-name site.

Re:Good thing no one used it (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245683)

Gotta agree there. I've more or less gotten out of that life-style and only occasionally keep track of file-sharing news when it was something big. I'd never heard of this guy or his sites.

That said, now that this story is Slashdotted... what will the Internet vigilantes do to this guy?

Re:Good thing no one used it (5, Interesting)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about a year ago | (#45245887)

Well, it's likely he won't stay anonymous for long.

The whole thing makes me scratch my head though. Seems like a bad and unprofessional idea to just announce it's a honeypot. If I were setting it up I'd just say the site is closing down then dish out lawsuits or what have you or whatever else, I don't know. An anti-piracy stance (in the typical MPAA fashion) is a very unpopular one on the internet. There's nothing to gain.

But he even announced he's doing it again, and it's likely he'll be tracked down and effortlessly exposed.

Sounds more like some script kiddie who is pulling some prank or what have you. But apparently tracking down who was behind was just handed to us on a silver platter, right here [arkansas.gov] . Names and address included.

So it's a legitimate business. Well good luck against the internet, if they even take your vBulletin forum and website that was coded by fifth grader seriously. I wonder if they even know how to extract the data in any meaningful way.

Re:Good thing no one used it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245911)

The internet is a two way street, NAT or not. :o)

Re: Good thing no one used it (5, Insightful)

Yaur (1069446) | about a year ago | (#45246061)

Tbqh this doesn't pass the sniff test. More likely scenarios: 1) its a hoax/false flag and piracy nuke is the target. 2) He got a c&d and thinks that pretending that it was an anti piracy thing all along will help him with the lawsuit.

Re:Good thing no one used it (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#45246261)

Seems like a bad and unprofessional idea to just announce it's a honeypot.

Not if you're an attention whore and a wanna-be internet vigilante.

An anti-piracy stance (in the typical MPAA fashion) is a very unpopular one on the internet. There's nothing to gain.

Well, there is something to gain; it's blackmail material. That's what the MPAA/RIAA use it for, and there's no reason you couldn't sell the information to a third party to try and extort money from them "If you don't pay us to keep quiet, we'll reveal your illegal activity to the authorities." I mean, that's pretty much classic blackmail. The data he has does have value, and if you view this announcement as a bid for potential buyers of his data, then it suddenly makes sense.

The announcement is a false flag; It isn't a signal to us that he's turning the information over to authorities, it's a signal to the criminal community to come forward and begin bidding. Now instead of it being "bad and unprofessional", it's a clever way of acquiring plausible deniability by appearing to be retarded.

Sounds more like some script kiddie who is pulling some prank or what have you. But apparently tracking down who was behind was just handed to us on a silver platter, right here. Names and address included.

Not a script kiddie; a paid industry shill. And as is typical for idiot hacktivists, a simple google search without a deeper understanding of business filings reveals that it's fingering the wrong guy; They failed to check for legally registered aliases. Incomplete investigations are incompetent investigations. Hasn't the Boston Bomber Reddit Witchunt taught us anything, Internet?

You cannot conduct a proper investigation using just google. Google is exploratory not confirmatory, and if you act on this information you will likely be exposing yourself to far more legal liability than using some badly designed "honeypot" website.

Re:Good thing no one used it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246919)

Is it? Legitimate I mean.
Isn't this called entrapment? Making all the gathered data illegal to use in trials?

Re:Good thing no one used it (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246967)

An anti-piracy stance (in the typical MPAA fashion) is a very unpopular one on the internet. There's nothing to gain.

There is something to gain. After going public with this, the pirates will be nervous about joining new 'piracy' sites. Just what his kind wants.

Re:Good thing no one used it (4, Funny)

Barefoot Monkey (1657313) | about a year ago | (#45246457)

Maybe he's trying to start a vigilante honeypot.

Re:Good thing no one used it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246805)

I wonder how the police will view all the underage porn that has just been planted on every computer he owns.

Re:Good thing no one used it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246955)

Well, in locked rooms after hours, I would imagine.

Re:Good thing no one used it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245735)

I agree... never hear of it till now. Maybe if it was rlslog then maybe I would care.

Re:Good thing no one used it (4, Insightful)

RDW (41497) | about a year ago | (#45245821)

I can (partially) forgive The Guardian for taking this story at face value, but Slashdot ought to be a bit more selective. Looks like this guy got kicked out of WJunction, set up his own site (which failed to attract much traffic), and is now claiming it was all part of a Cunning Plan to join the antipiracy industry (working for a company nobody has ever heard of, with a website that must have taken all of 15 minutes to set up). He can probably be reached for comment at his Top Model girlfriend's Manhattan penthouse (or more likely, in his mom's basement).

Re:Good thing no one used it (1)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about a year ago | (#45245893)

Yeah, just a nobody trying to pretend to be a somebody by getting attention. And by getting attention, I mean kicking up a bunch of mud. Not even doing a good job at it either.

Re:Good thing no one used it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246581)

You and your 5 digit ID must be new here. Slashdot is easily trolled. Look at the "feds seize journalist's private files" story from the other day, then google where the story is coming from. How many slashdotters cast a skeptical eye on that? 3?

tastes like (2)

Iamthecheese (1264298) | about a year ago | (#45245883)

Sour grapes. However many or few people used the site this is a real betrayal and it's necessary for pirates and torrenters to find way to become even more robust against this kind of activity. We're already playing a vigorous game of whack-a-mole but what I think is needed is a series of third party web-sites to filter and mix comment and posted torrents from various IPs to various different user names. Torrent sites could have an API that allows such filtering. For example Joe Anypirate would use torrentfilter.net to send a torrent to thepiratebay.sx. thepiratebay.sx would have only torrentfilter.net as the source of the file information. torrentfilter would automatically assign a random user name for data to forward to thepiratebay.sx. A pirates-only proxy. These third party sites wouldn't host torrents providing a level of abstraction and safety from laws targeting torrent sites.

Re:tastes like (2)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#45246709)

However many or few people used the site this is a real betrayal and it's necessary for pirates and torrenters to find way to become even more robust against this kind of activity

Torrenters aren't warez pups. Anyone with half a clue knows better than to conduct your piracy using bit torrent, unless you want to get caught. Where you download the .torrent from doesn't matter one bit ... its the fact that hosts in that swarm could very well be police or other law enforcement agencies and by participating in the torrent, you incriminate yourself and provide them with solid evidence of what you're doing. You're an idiot if you actually get your warez through torrents unless you're a small time, once in a blue moon kind of person so its not worth the effort to go after you.

I'm fairly certain you don't understand how bit torrent works. Your silly idea becomes useless when law enforcement just raids the datacenter and takes the servers with all the relationship information and then sets up a honey pot for your silly proxy site while detaining anyone that might realize or know that the original site was taken over by law enforcement.

Real pirates don't care about this, they know better than to give away the wrong information from the start.

Having actually invaded and been part of the scene oh so many years ago, I'm certain almost everyone who might be in it today would laugh that this guy thinks he got some 'information on some important people'. He's lucky if he even communicated with any 'important people', which I doubt he did.

Re:tastes like (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246863)

Awe. The pirates are screwing over the artists. Why should they expect anyone to treat them with respect when they're blatantly stealing from the artists? If they were betrayed, they got what they deserved. There's no honor among thieves.

Re:Good thing no one used it (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#45246213)

well, they still managed to get a couple of more guys into filesharing.

also they must operate outside of eu(having some laws on databases about people is actually worthwhile)

Re:Good thing no one used it (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#45246597)

I suckered $#!&loads of you. I built a history, got the trust of some very important people in the warez scene collecting information and data all the time.

That just makes me laugh like crazy, the only people got the trust of were morons who don't know any better. The real warez rats are safely hidden away saying:

Who is UploaderTalk?

How can one tell? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246851)

Occasionally I'm looking for a TV show I want to watch. It's often hard to know where to find it. Hulu, crackle, netflix, amazon are big names but there's lots of other little ones as well. So how can one tell when one clicks on a link to watch something if it's a legit site or a copyright violator. Regardless of how you feel about copyrights, my main goal is to avoid some hassle-- not worth it to me. The last thing I want is some honeypot offering me Game Of Thrones season 3 for free and then after I watch it get dragged into court or worse blackmailed with the hassle. Thus I'm not trying to find stuff that's pirated. I just want to know how I should know?

With some common sense one can figure out that if you fand something on mega upload or a torrent site that, well, chances are pretty good one should be wary. But what about a site like CookiesandCream. Lots of TV shows there. Click to stream. no torrents, no rapidshare or mega uploader. outwardly it looks legit. SO I can't tell. And there's lots of places just like that.

Furthermore there's sites that sort of consolidate things CanIwatchIt which deeplinks things so you don't even see the site it's taking you too.

While one should suspect a free lunch it's not always possible to tell. AMC and Hulu often release some episodes or all of a series for a limited time. This happens even when Amazon is charging for the episode. So you can't just assume that some major show like breaking bad, or 30 rock or the killing should not be available somewhere for free.

It used to be easy to tell. Now it's actually reasonable that someone can make a mistake. THe rise of honeypots makes this even more perilous.

I liked this story better... (3, Funny)

hawks5999 (588198) | about a year ago | (#45245583)

...when it was called The Scene

As the old saying goes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245585)

"You can't cheat an honest man."

Re:As the old saying goes... (2, Insightful)

kruach aum (1934852) | about a year ago | (#45245657)

Let's play blackjack some time.

Re:As the old saying goes... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245933)

I believe in this case "cheat" means "con". Let's play Jeopardy sometime.

Re:As the old saying goes... (2)

Deadstick (535032) | about a year ago | (#45246069)

Yes, "con" and "hustle" are more specific than "cheat". They both mean cheating someone by making them think they're cheating you.

Re:As the old saying goes... (1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about a year ago | (#45246813)

No they don't. Those are a subset of cons.

Re:As the old saying goes... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#45246065)

Honest men don't play blackjack?

First (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245589)

post! Yeah, cool..

Btw, the money system compells us!

Implicit permission? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245603)

So for the months that the site was active these files (and links) were being shared with the implicit permission of the copyright umbrella groups? Neat. Bless 'em.

Don't you believe it. (1)

westlake (615356) | about a year ago | (#45246167)

So for the months that the site was active these files (and links) were being shared with the implicit permission of the copyright umbrella groups? Neat. Bless 'em.

The same permission a mouse gets when nanny baits a snap trap with a piece of cheese. The permission to die from a broken spine.

Re:Don't you believe it. (3, Interesting)

Sun (104778) | about a year ago | (#45246415)

Not when you have to go through the "justice" system.

If you are a copyright holder, or acting on his/her/its behalf, and you seed a torrent for me to download, you have, in fact, given me the file. Since you are the copyright holder, that file was given lawfully. You cannot now turn around and sue me for taking from you what you have lawfully given. Your harm, such that there is, is entirely self inflicted.

Honeypots are a useful tool to learn techniques that the other side uses, but they are, by and large, useless as a technique to sue over copyright infringement.

IANAL

Shachar

Re:Don't you believe it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246623)

Nanny..... broken spine? You have weak metaphor skills. The copyright groups are not the courts or the judges.

So much for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245615)

honor among thieves.

User data? (4, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#45245623)

The main purpose of the site had been to gather data on its users.

So they have a bunch of anonymous IP addresses from a bunch of public WiFi sites. Even a trusted file sharing site can put people at risk if the FBI kicks the door down and seizes the servers. So any smart pirates will take measures to protect their anonymity, honey pot or not.

In the meantime, thanks for all the disk space. It was fun while it lasted.

Whaaa? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245629)

There are no important people in the warez scene. That's why they can't stop it.

Re:Whaaa? (2, Insightful)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#45245757)

Didn't you notice it's always the same groups that release your TV shows?
LOL, ASAP, AFG, DIMENSION, mSD?

Take those down and it will become quite annoying.

Re:Whaaa? (3, Insightful)

newcastlejon (1483695) | about a year ago | (#45245779)

Take those down and it will become quite annoying.

For about five minutes until another springs up. Groups such have these have become less and less important as fibre becomes more prevalent.

Re:Whaaa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245843)

Notice how these are groups, not individuals. And good luck taking down someone outside the US and its lackeys.

Re:Whaaa? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#45246217)

Someone outside the US might not have the ability to record all the particular TV shows.

Re:Whaaa? (3, Informative)

EdZ (755139) | about a year ago | (#45246011)

Here's a secret: anyone with a tuner card and the ability to feed the captured transport stream (IIRC encapsulated MPEG2 for you ATSC guys in the US) into x264 can do the exactly same as these 'scene groups'. Probably a better job too, if you use CRF rather than constant-bitrate or target filesize.

Re: Whaaa? (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#45246253)

The hard part is delivering consistent quality on a fast and regular basis. No, that's not possible for anyone, and people with a little of experience downloading know they should prefer releases from reliable subgroups than from nobodies.

Re:Whaaa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246041)

Release groups are about first past the post, there are dozens of them that remain under the radar. You obviously have no clue how many people cap shows, let alone rip discs.

Re:Whaaa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246083)

You obviously have no clue how many people cap shows, let alone rip discs.

My 73 year old dad rips disks. I'm sure if he bothered, he would upload too.

Re:Whaaa? (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year ago | (#45246371)

My 73 year old dad rips disks. I'm sure if he bothered, he would upload too.

I rip disks, but I've never uploaded, and never will. Too much risk for no benefit.

Re:Whaaa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246059)

Who? I've watched many of the more popular series and never heard of any of these groups. LOL sounds familiar but applies more to your post than a release group.

Re:Whaaa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246243)

Then which release groups are you familiar with?

Re:Whaaa? (3, Funny)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#45246103)

Seriously what can Disney say about the people sharing Pirates of the Caribbean?

Would 28 days later really be the same movie without all the sharing?

How would Independence day have ended if there was no uploaders?

Re:Whaaa? (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year ago | (#45246357)

Didn't you notice it's always the same groups that release your TV shows?

Dunno... The groups that release *my* shows are the TV broadcasters, my TV provider's on-demand service, Netflix and DVD retailers.

Re: Whaaa? (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#45246413)

Enjoy your sub-par service then.

Re: Whaaa? (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#45246729)

So let me get this straight ... he watches the original ... and thats some how sub par to a copy of the original? In what universe does that make sense?

Re: Whaaa? (5, Informative)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#45246839)

Internet piracy: choose what you want to watch and watch it. Available on the day it is aired on or released, in any country or region around the world, best quality, all versions available, subtitles for all languages, no ads, transferable to any device.

DVDs: find a shop that has what you want and is willing to sell it in your region, or order them online. Go to the shop or wait. Put the DVD in your current DVD reader in its box. Put the DVD you just bought inside the DVD reader. Watch the mandatory ads. Go through some horrible and unpractical menu. Bad subtitles. Not transferable. Bad resolution and often interlaced video. No easy way to keep track of which version of the video it is and whether there are better ones that got released later or in other regions. Must use the DRM-locked interface of your DVD reader to do anything.

Blurays: pretty much like DVDs, except the quality is better and the non-transferability and ads are even worse.

TV channels: you must be present at the time of broadcast to see the show, or set up the appropriate recording with an inept interface (assuming you have paid the premium to be allowed to do this). If your connectivity fails or stutters during the broadcast, you've missed the bit in question. Ridiculous amounts of advertisements (especially in the US). Very bad subtitles, if they're even available. Not transferable to another device. Must use the DRM-locked interface of your TV box to do anything.

Video on Demand: Number of shows available fairly limited, even with the best services, since only the shows for which the provider has struck a deal are available. Shows only available quite after they've been aired or released. Not transferable to another device. Services tied to particular geographic regions. Some problems similar to that of TV channels with some services. Must use the DRM-locked interface of your TV box to do anything.

Re: Whaaa? (1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about a year ago | (#45246899)

In the universe where pirate copies are available almost immediately after airing in a portable video format that is commercial free and DRM free. There are very shows for which you can say that about official distribution channels.

Re:Whaaa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246559)

I just want rid of IMMERSE (They are nearly always nuked but they beat EVOLVE who are much better when it comes to no being broken).

Actually I don't want anything bad at all to happen to them personally but I do I wish their releases were checked that they were in sync before uploaded.

Re:Whaaa? (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about a year ago | (#45246615)

Spoken like someone who's never actually spent any time in the zero-day scene.

Have a nice day thinking you have a clue though, must be nice.

Re:Whaaa? (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#45246905)

The zero-day scene is entirely automated, doesn't change the fact that if you take down the bot providers, it falls down.

Re:Whaaa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246829)

And about 100-200 more

No name fake site that has no rep is a honeypot... (4, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#45245641)

News at 11.

Honestly they were barely known and had ZERO rep in the community. In fact most people never even knew about them or knew to stay away because it was too new and too unknown.

If this is the best they got, then there is no worries out there. Now find out that TPB was a BSA sting operation.... THAT is real news.

Re:No name fake site that has no rep is a honeypot (2, Funny)

Tiger4 (840741) | about a year ago | (#45245833)

Honestly they were barely known and had ZERO rep in the community.

So, perhaps you'd care to share who does have the best rep? ::recorder ON::

Re:No name fake site that has no rep is a honeypot (3, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#45245989)

Tiger4 on slashdot is the best piracy source out there. Talk to them they have all the good stuff.

Re:No name fake site that has no rep is a honeypot (1)

nnull (1148259) | about a year ago | (#45246149)

I've never heard of them. You can go onto their forums and their community is pretty much nill compared to the other sites. All I see is a bunch of spam posts. I don't know why this is newsworthy. It sounds more like a troll and theguardian bought into it without actually researching the entire story.

Re:No name fake site that has no rep is a honeypot (1, Redundant)

Radtastic (671622) | about a year ago | (#45246161)

Now find out that TPB was a BSA sting operation.... THAT is real news.

So the Boy Scouts of America is really a shell organization for the government!? Holy Double Deception Batman!

Re:No name fake site that has no rep is a honeypot (1)

horm (2802801) | about a year ago | (#45246209)

No, just the Mormons.

Related to Prenda Law? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245665)

It sounds like they have the same business model as Prenda Law.

boasting isnt the best idea. (1)

Gravis Zero (934156) | about a year ago | (#45245699)

The administrator said, 'I collected info on file hosts, web hosts, websites. I suckered $#!&loads of you. I built a history, got the trust of some very important people in the warez scene collecting information and data all the time.'

and he was never heard from again

serious ? (5, Insightful)

Spaham (634471) | about a year ago | (#45245707)

If they were anything serious they wouldn't have gloated that way.
Sounds so much like a whining kid trying to annoy people...

Re:serious ? (1)

westlake (615356) | about a year ago | (#45246197)

If they were anything serious they wouldn't have gloated that way.

Have you ever known a geek who could keep his big mouth shut? ---- DPR

Re:serious ? (1)

Endloser (1170279) | about a year ago | (#45246239)

Not personally, but Kevin Mitnick sure could.

Re:serious ? (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year ago | (#45246317)

This.

They would start sueing people while keeping the site running until it was found out and/or no longer produced useful information.

Re:serious ? (1)

Behrooz Amoozad (2831361) | about a year ago | (#45246961)

Or maybe they ran out of space on their 320 GB HDD?

Gather data on its users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245713)

The main purpose of the site had been to gather data on its users

Like Dice and slashdot.

Re:Gather data on its users... (2)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year ago | (#45246075)

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

I smell troll (2)

loonycyborg (1262242) | about a year ago | (#45245727)

There's no way something like that could be approved by genuine rightsholders. It's just one 'pirate' trolling other 'pirates'.

Re:I smell troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245825)

Let's all make him the butt of our jokes so he can be a butt pirate.

Re:I smell troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245981)

Wow, you have no idea. This is exactly how RIAA and MPAA deal. These people have no respect for the law, not to mention ethics.

Re:I smell troll (2)

Oligonicella (659917) | about a year ago | (#45246147)

Did you even * notice * the irony in your last sentence?

Re:I smell troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246163)

They may have at one point, but they certainly don't any more. I'm trying to remember the case, but a company posted a torrent on TPB, logged the IPs and sued everybody who downloaded it. When taken to court, it was deemed that since they owned the copyright, and they posted it, the downloads were in fact not illegal since they were downloading from a source officially sanctioned by the copyright owner.

Re:I smell troll (1)

Behrooz Amoozad (2831361) | about a year ago | (#45246979)

In other news,
Some moron thought he needs to upload a torrent to see who downloads it.

Why make an entire site for it? (2)

GrandCow (229565) | about a year ago | (#45245739)

I mean people get busted all the time on piratebay when someone collecting data joins a torrent and logs ip's. Anyone smart enough to use a proxy or public wifi is going to use it both places anyways.

Inviting suits? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245811)

Unless he managed to secure permission from copyright holders of every file
that went through that system, this sounds like he might find himself the target
of suits saying he willingly and deliberately facilitated infringement.

Re:Inviting suits? (2)

Stan92057 (737634) | about a year ago | (#45246127)

ya the poor criminals he held a gun at there heads and forced them to steal and share something that wasn't theirs to share or give away..

Someones going to prison... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245885)

...but it's not the filesharers.

If true this is a blatant violation of every piece of data protection legislation ever written.

I don't care and who is UploaderTalk? Not PB fckem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245915)

Use caution when using piratebay use Vidalia and use ports that are used for other secure services, also check the tracker and remove suspicious tracking from the torrent to anonymize you're fun, like "Istoleit" tracker.

god hates figs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45245925)

things like netflix and pandora, driving the stranglehold on consumption of media by cable/etc providers out of business, causes people to pay for more media legitimately. 100 bucks a month for mostly unwatchable tv just to get a couple channels you like some shows on is insane. nevermind 50 bucks to watch celebrities mangle eachother

Re:god hates figs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246045)

you are right. Cable tv wasn't overpriced prior to the advent of internet piracy and all the channels you got were great! No stupid crap shows on. All really good tv shows. CD's and DVD's cost less back in the day too... /sarcasm

VPN (2)

suprcvic (684521) | about a year ago | (#45245959)

That is all.

Re:VPN (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246031)

Hope you're not using a US company and thinking it protects you in any way.

Poor fellow (2)

lapm (750202) | about a year ago | (#45246051)

In some countries this would constitute as entrapment. And made collected evidence void for any legal purpose. Somehow im sure internet will soon reveal this persons identity, address, etc... Since he has nothing to hide, right?

Re:Poor fellow (2)

cduffy (652) | about a year ago | (#45246087)

In some countries this would constitute as entrapment.

Name one.

In every system I'm aware of, it's entrapment only if law enforcement (not some random private party) encourages you to violate a law you wouldn't have broken otherwise (which providing a forum for folks to discuss their violations of the law is not).

Re:Poor fellow (2)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about a year ago | (#45246913)

There is not a single country in which actions by a private citizen would constitute entrapment.

sow discord and distrust (2)

nurb432 (527695) | about a year ago | (#45246165)

That will only serve to drive people more underground and harder to find. No one can stop the movement. Data will be free.

Re:sow discord and distrust (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246753)

Data will be free.

Only the 0's. I'm holding the 1's hostage until you pay the ransom like we agreed.

Why? (1, Interesting)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#45246383)

Why are essentially all of the above comments pro-piracy?

If you dreamed up your perfect world, would it contain piracy, or no piracy, or something between? Explain calmly and specifically, why.

Thanks.

Re:Why? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45246637)

Mine wouldn't have any because it wouldn't be necessary due to reasonable copyright.

(Advertising would be banned in my perfect world though also. Other than in specific places and in a none distracting form. Pretty similar to the world wide crusade against smoking I would be the same against advertising).

I am in the UK and everything the BBC made was funded by the public paying a mandated tax. (As far as I am concerned access to those archives in an unrestricted manner is fair and reasonable for the people of the UK).

My desire to not see advertising currently overrides anything else. (Don't think its good for me to be constantly told that you need xyz.)

The Blu Rays I have bought have dumb unskippable junk that is unacceptable to me. (I am not against paying - I am against paying for an inferior product).

Re:Why? (1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about a year ago | (#45246951)

Mine wouldn't have any because it wouldn't be necessary due to reasonable copyright.

Shows are available online almost as soon as they air. You believe "reasonable copyright" is fifteen minutes or so then?

Advertising would be banned in my perfect world though also.

So you believe only speech you agree with should be allowed?

Good. Piracy is wrong. (-1, Troll)

rmdyer (267137) | about a year ago | (#45246513)

Good, piracy is wrong... period.
There is no case in which piracy is ever right.
You... are NOT ENTITLED to products or services in which you have not paid money for.
If you are pirating data, you should be admitting to yourself that you are stealing.
If you want something so badly, pay for it, or ignore it.

Kids in grocery stores crying, yelling, in tantrums on the floor, trying to get their mothers to get them some candy is not a basis for how we should be acting as adults on the internet.

Your, "I can't have it so I'll just take it" does nothing to improve the state of prices that people pay for such items. And, the fact that people have pirated, has already created the environment for outright lies from the industry. Now, the industries get to price gouge us by saying that prices have to be as high as they are to cover for all the piracy!

You know, the very same media moguls who control the markets? You know, those one percenter's that have stolen from us, and taken all our money out of the US economy? Yes, those very same people are claiming that they now deserve all that money because why? Oh yes, that's right... poor people steal.

Well what do you know? Karma's a bitch isn't it?

Re:Good. Piracy is wrong. (1)

vux984 (928602) | about a year ago | (#45246665)

Good, piracy is wrong... period.

Nope. Not always wrong. Abandonware comes to mind.

And there are very legitimate arguments that the term of copyright has been extended beyond sane limits, violating the social contract that we agreed to for copyright to exist in the first place.

You... are NOT ENTITLED to products or services in which you have not paid money for.

If I see a shirt at the store I like I can make one myself just like it. Yet I have taken the idea from someone else. Copyright says I am entitled to do this, that the makers of clothes cannot copyright the designs. Seems odd doesn't it.

That I am, "NOT ENTITLED" to anyone elses ideas unless I've paid money for them... unless its clothing and then I can.

Services to highlight how artificial copyright is.

Its a social contract for the mutual good of creators and consumers. If it ceases to be for the mutual good, then copyright is wrong.

Entrapment (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | about a year ago | (#45246521)

The site smells of entrapment to me.

knock, knock.. (1)

thexfile (3221535) | about a year ago | (#45246591)

Those files and IPs can still be faked by the fake upload site. All they have to do is monitor an ISP and see which IPs are in heavy use.

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