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Japan Refused To Help NSA Tap Asia's Internet

samzenpus posted about 10 months ago | from the no-thank-you dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The NSA sought the Japanese government's cooperation to wiretap fiber-optic cables carrying phone and data across the Asia-Pacific region but the request was rejected. The NSA wanted to intercept personal information including Internet activity and phone calls passing through Japan from Asia including China. The Japanese government refused because it was illegal and would need to involve a massive number of private sector workers. Article 35 of the Japanese Constitution protects against illegal search and seizure."

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WTF (4, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 10 months ago | (#45251825)

A country that gives a shit about its constitution? Surely some mistake...

I'm glad Japan still seems to have some honour left.

Re:WTF (5, Funny)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 10 months ago | (#45251899)

You know who else still have honour? Klingons.

Re:WTF (4, Funny)

mellon (7048) | about 10 months ago | (#45251907)

The NSA knows better than to ask the Klingons for access to their fiber...

Re:WTF (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45251963)

maybe if you merkins ate less fibre you would develop some back bone and stop shitting yourself about terrorists and allowing you government to pull this crap in the name of protecting you from the bogeyman

Re: WTF (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252087)

Maybe you're a dipshit who thinks you can lump all of us into one category.

Re: WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252353)

if you have the dipshits, more fiber may help.

Re:WTF (1)

the grace of R'hllor (530051) | about 10 months ago | (#45252519)

The guys who hide their ships and then shoot enemies in the back of the nacelles? I've always found that odd.

Re:WTF (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45251911)

Remember their constitution only gives rather vague rights to people, and only if they aren't foreigners or the emperor (no, the emperor doesn't constitutionally have any rights, for the record). That doesn't mean much, it's probably more a culture thing.

Re:WTF (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252177)

A country that gives a shit about its constitution? Surely some mistake...

I'm glad Japan still seems to have some honour left.

It's not about honor, it's about not being stupid. Why would the Japanese let the NSA tap into their communications? So the NSA could then turn around allow General Electric to spy on Japanese corporations internal communications via the NSA backdoors? No fucking way.

Re:WTF (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252247)

It could also be that they are still a bit hung up about when the US tested their new nukes by dropping two on them.

envy (4, Insightful)

frovingslosh (582462) | about 10 months ago | (#45252343)

I envy the Japanese for their constitutional protections.

Re:envy (2, Informative)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 10 months ago | (#45252443)

You shouldn't [wikipedia.org] .

Re:envy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252461)

You'd be surprised some of the harms caused to the locals in Japan by literal interpretations of some of the constitution.

Re:envy (3, Insightful)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 10 months ago | (#45252517)

If we treated foreign immigrants like Japan does you would call us fascists. With aging population Japan desperately needs workforce and still it refuses to allow almost any immigration through pure xenophobia and racism.

Re:envy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252601)

An Asian and a racist walk into a bar. But I repeat myself.

Re:WTF (5, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 10 months ago | (#45252451)

I'm glad Japan still seems to have some honour left.

It never ceases to amaze me how often people ascribe general characteristics like honor, integrity, etc., to governments, on the basis of singular examples. The Japanese government, in this very specific case, did what you consider to be the right thing. But to ascribe their entire government, as a complete entity, as having honor on this basis, is premature and unwarranted.

Look at how the Japanese government handled the Fukoshima disaster; or rather, didn't. A great many would not consider it honorable to keep citizens in a hot zone for well after it was apparent there were serious safety concerns, simply and largely out of a desire to save face. This is a glitch of Japanese culture; They are downright Russian in their inability to acknowledge a mistake when it happens. It's hardly the only time this less than endearing quality of Japanese culture has reared its ugly head either -- the internet is littered with examples of how situations were made needlessly worse because of it.

Every government. Every. Government. will at times act in act in accordance with your individual beliefs regarding fundamental human virtues... and at other times will not. This is because governments are collections of people and organizations that are often in opposition to one another, and in a dance with so many steps and so many partners, you simply cannot judge the whole as you would an individual. Governments cannot be judged on their individual actions -- at the micro scale, it is simply too chaotic and random. We can only begin to understand whether a government adheres to a given virtue by looking at the aggregate sum of their actions and the actual (not intended or stated) result.

Because of this, I would not say the Japanese government is either less, or more, honorable because of its refusal to allow the NSA to tap Asia's internet. As an aggregate entity, I would say that the Japanese government would like greater cooperation with the United States in the areas of defense and economics, but places a great deal of value on its cultural identity and independence from all sovereign powers, the US included. Cooperation in this particular case would have enabled a high level of industrial espionage and the Japanese culture views business as being nearly a literal equivalent to war; They take industrial espionage very, very seriously. To cooperate with the NSA in this regard would have serious reprecussions with the business leaders within Japan.

To say that this behavior though is 'honorable' is a stretch. They are protecting their own interests. It has nothing to do with the Japanese constitution, but rather how they do business. In a very real sense, the NSA is a business competitor.

Re:WTF (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252473)

Now why couldn't England be like this, instead of being a fucking prostitute country?

Re:WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252587)

Honour? sure...

A country that is habitable? nope

"Sure is a nice country you have there, would be a shame if a tsunami were to take out that nuclear reactor right there by the ocean".

Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveillance (5, Interesting)

kawabago (551139) | about 10 months ago | (#45251855)

The American constitution is also supposed to prevent unlawful searches, so why does the Japanese constitution succeed and the American constitution fails to stop illegal capture of electronic communication? Do the Americans just not care?

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45251895)

Do the Americans just not care?

It's more than just wiretapping. Look up civil forfeiture.

IDK what the problem is, if it's just apathy, we have day to day life too good, or what. But we are the epitome of good people who do nothing. We are now just looking for the ultimate evil to triumph over us and just make it official.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (3, Insightful)

gravis777 (123605) | about 10 months ago | (#45252205)

No - its that the American government does not care. The way the govenernment is set up, the American people can do nothing to prevent it. Congress is guarenteed a salery for life. Why do what people want - get in, be there long enough to get your salery for life, pass whatever laws you want - you are exempt, and accept all the bribes you want. People don't like you? Who cares, you are set for life - who cares if you win reelection.

Oh, someone is actually going to try to make a difference and run under a third party ticket? Good luck with that happening - even if you get in (which does happen from time to time) you got 400 or so other Congressmen and 99 other Senetors and a corrupt President who wants to be the dictator of a Socialist government.

The American system is broke.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (4, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about 10 months ago | (#45252233)

Oh, someone is actually going to try to make a difference and run under a third party ticket? Good luck with that happening - even if you get in (which does happen from time to time) you got 400 or so other Congressmen and 99 other Senetors and a corrupt President who wants to be the dictator of a Socialist government.

that's actually exactly the "good people who do nothing" at work right there. how could nothing change if good people do nothing to change it. you've given up and that's the "good people who nothing".

Re: Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveill (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252373)

They don't get a salary for life.

A salery, whatever the hell that is, maybe.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252553)

The US voters can actually do stuff to prevent it.

The issue is they prefer to keep voting for "lesser evil" and then complaining that they still get evil and that nothing can be done.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (0)

isorox (205688) | about 10 months ago | (#45252591)

No - its that the American government does not care. The way the govenernment is set up, the American people can do nothing to prevent it. Congress is guarenteed a salery for life. Why do what people want - get in, be there long enough to get your salery for life, pass whatever laws you want - you are exempt, and accept all the bribes you want. People don't like you? Who cares, you are set for life - who cares if you win reelection.

Oh, someone is actually going to try to make a difference and run under a third party ticket? Good luck with that happening - even if you get in (which does happen from time to time) you got 400 or so other Congressmen and 99 other Senetors and a corrupt President who wants to be the dictator of a Socialist government.

The American system is broke.

Well he's had 5 years to try to be socialist and hasn't got anywhere near.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (5, Insightful)

marcroelofs (797176) | about 10 months ago | (#45251901)

Follow the money. The US governmnet is corporation owned.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252023)

Yup, the rest of the world had a big WTF when they realize the US legalized bribes by calling it "lobbying".

I mean wtf is with all the pretending, just cut the BS and call it what it is.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (5, Insightful)

Nov8tr (2007392) | about 10 months ago | (#45252169)

I'd give you points if I had any. You are correct. We have Senator's and Congressmen who get paid insane money for being a "consultant" to some corporation. $50k and up. They NEVER go to the company. The never submit any info to the company. They just get a check every month. Of course the fact they helped vote on bills that substantially helped this company has nothing to do with it right? wink wink, nod nod, nudge nudge. The open corruption in our country is so out of control it's insane. Hell even kids know it. When corruption reaches the level even children are aware of it, wow. Sad.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252497)

Sad it is, when does the coup begin again?

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45251953)

The U.S system is very broken and the constitution has been trampled on by fearmongers telling stories about bogeymen.

Protection from terrorism and Freedom at all costs has been the plan past 10 years.

When the plan goes sour and all constitutional freedoms have been eroded, keeping up the appearances at all costs becomes the new goal.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252015)

Fortunately, emperor Obama thinks the constitution is a "living document" http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/03/obamacare-and-the-living-breathing-constitution/255145/

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (4, Interesting)

SerpentMage (13390) | about 10 months ago | (#45252253)

Good for you comparing Obamacare to what the NSA is doing! The topic is NSA and not Obamacare. If Americans cared so much about their rights like they cared for their hate of Obamacare MAYBE, just MAYBE the NSA would not be doing what it is doing. But hey you are exactly the reason why the NSA is doing what it is, and thinking the real problem is Obamacare!

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (4, Insightful)

shentino (1139071) | about 10 months ago | (#45252329)

Nice tactic of the feds, give us too much to hate at once and we have to divide our forces.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252505)

You do realize what an amendment is, don't you?
If the constitution was rigid you can say goodbye to all amendments.

Unfortunately the constitution was pretty flawed to begin with. Too much focus on protecting against corruption from foreign entities and not enough protection against local corruption.

I wonder how bad the government has to be until the people thinks it is time for a new constitution.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (1, Insightful)

Nov8tr (2007392) | about 10 months ago | (#45252193)

And I'd give you points too if I had any. I don't because of the favoritism on ./ I make a valid comment, get nothing. A make a thread, get nothing. BUT all the people who make comments below or even above it get points. Sometimes for stupid stuff. That's OK. I'm still going to continue making comments, giving valid points, pointing out facts. Because it's the right thing to do. Doing the right thing is not always the easy thing. Sorry I don't have any points because your comment is valid. I personally thank you for it.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252005)

Unfortunately, our police, our elected representatives, our president, and our unelected courts all have conspired to diminish our 4th Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure. Notably this was the result of the failed "war on drugs" but lately due to the "war on terrorism".

The sad part is, both major parties are responsible for this. There are few elected Democratic or Republican lawmakers who seem to care.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (5, Interesting)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 10 months ago | (#45252027)

Americans don't care. Really. You only have to look at the reaction to scandals in Japan compared to the US.

A few years ago the minister in charge of tax had to resign because he made a mistake on his tax return. The leader of one of the opposition parties (there are several, and they are not completely ineffective) had to resign because he gave his support to one of the other members of the party who then turned out to have lied about something. Bullshit from politicians is not tolerated.

Their electoral system has some advantages too. Candidates are not allowed to have TV or radio advertising, or even put videos on the internet etc. Coverage is strictly controlled to make sure everyone gets fair coverage, and money is much less of a factor since there is little to actually spend it on beyond a few small posters. Politicians have to actually go and canvas their constituents.

Lobbying is also heavily controlled, and since money is much less of an issue lobbyists have more limited power.

It's far from perfect but people take politics seriously and bad behaviour is severely punish. In comparison US politicians are armour plated, image managed, and awash with dirty money. The NSA scandal demonstrates just how bad it is. Why aren't the FBI arresting NSA staff for violating the constitution? Why are the senators and judges who approved it not under investigation?

Unfortunately the UK seems to be nearly as bad. Our one saving grace is that the EU is going to investigate, assuming we don't pull out before they are finished.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (4, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | about 10 months ago | (#45252209)

Japanese culture has a long history of having a strong code of honor. Bushido [wikipedia.org] is an example. If we practiced Seppuku [wikipedia.org] , I think the director of the NSA might have had second thoughts about lying to Congress.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (1)

inking (2869053) | about 10 months ago | (#45252279)

Candidates are not allowed to have TV or radio advertising, or even put videos on the internet etc.

To be fair, they do have those minivans with megaphones [youtube.com] and terribly cheerful female announcers driving around everywhere.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (4, Informative)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 10 months ago | (#45252507)

Candidates are not allowed to have TV or radio advertising, or even put videos on the internet etc.

Everyone gets the same amount of free TV/radio/newspaper advertising, but the Internet restrictions have been lifted entirely [bloomberg.com] .

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (3, Interesting)

blahplusplus (757119) | about 10 months ago | (#45252031)

"Do the Americans just not care?"

Americans are the most ignorant and easily led population on the planet. You need to look at the science. See here what science has discovered about the brain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ [youtube.com]

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252045)

If you make it legal, then it's not illegal. It's really quite simple.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252159)

grass always greener on other side

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252581)

grass always greener on other side

As someone who is on the other side of the pond I would have to agree. From watching the US from afar it actually seems like the grass is greener over here.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252181)

The US constitution is fine. The problem is that the Patriot Act places the country in a limited state of emergency. You got to get that repealed.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252629)

The Patriot Act is unconstitutional, and since the constitution is the highest law of the land...

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (1, Insightful)

Kohath (38547) | about 10 months ago | (#45252239)

- Japan has schools that primarily educate. The US has schools that primarily write payroll checks to union members.
- Japan has a free and independent press. The US press licks government boots. If you don't lick government boots, it's because you're a racist.
- In Japan, they have a thing that, in English, might be called shame. In the US "everybody does it".
- Japan has a culture. Anyone in the US who talks about culture is mocked. We have Lady Gaga and the Paris Hilton.
- Japanese media personalities and civic leaders like Japan. US media personalities and civic leaders hate America.
- Japan has a constitution. The US has a "living, breathing document" -- it only means something as long as it's convenient to "the right people".
- Japan is a civilized society. The US is a post-civilized society.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252287)

The US wanted to be able to spy on data going into and out of Japan. Of course, the Japanese do not want to help us spy on them. Why would they help us without something in return? So, perhaps they pointed to their constitution as a polite way to say no. I'd bet that if Germany came to us and asked us to help them tap our electronic communications, we would also say no, and perhaps, we would also point to our constitution as a polite way of explaining why.

If a branch of the Japanese government wanted to spy on its own citizenry, and then was stopped by the Japanese judicial system, referencing their Constitution, then we could point to that as a victory for a free and democratic system.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (4, Insightful)

qbast (1265706) | about 10 months ago | (#45252395)

Makes me wonder why Europe agreed to hand USA data on all financial transactions happening inside EU (terrorist finance tracking program). Anybody with two brain cells to rub together would see that it is great industrial and economic espionage tool.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (4, Insightful)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | about 10 months ago | (#45252309)

The real irony is who wrote their constitution...

Re (1)

rewindustry (3401253) | about 10 months ago | (#45252429)

honour != profit, q.e.d.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (1)

Jawnn (445279) | about 10 months ago | (#45252435)

Do the Americans just not care?

Nailed it.

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (1)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 10 months ago | (#45252583)

Do the Americans just not care?

Americans do care!

An umpire made a questionable call in the World Series last night.
Chris Brown got arrested.
Kim Kardashian is getting married.

. . . it's just a matter of what the common folks really care about . . .

Re:Why does Japan's constitution prevent surveilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252585)

Success in the US is measured in monetary wealth. Nothing else matters. If you do a career in politics, your success is measured in how wealthy you are when you are at your peak or afterwards. You could say, most Americans are whores who do anything, including destroying their own country for money. It's a mindset thing. That's my take anyway.

Collecting information? (1)

auric_dude (610172) | about 10 months ago | (#45251867)

Just attempted to view the first link but need java script, not a good start.

What we don't know (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45251873)

We don't know if they have already tapped it for their own spying, we simply know they would not spy for us (according to them, which is obviously what they would say).

It's just a piece of paper (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45251893)

Stop waving the g*d-d*mned constitution in our faces. It's just a d*mn piece of paper with meaningless words.

Feel free to recite the pledge of alegiance all f**king day while we wipe our a**es with the constitution.

Greatest country in the world my a**.

Oh Irony, delicious irony (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45251917)

Anybody recall how the Japanese ended up with this constitution?

Re:Oh Irony, delicious irony (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252059)

In the 1940's, America participated in saving the Germans from themselves.

Should the ROW now return the favor and save the Americans from themselves?

Re:Oh Irony, delicious irony (4, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about 10 months ago | (#45252123)

Well, Germany is busy saving the Greeks, Spanish and Portuguese from themselves. I guess Japan will have to rescue us.

Re:Oh Irony, delicious irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252219)

Germany is developing crowd-control tanks. And tanks with 90 miles range artillery shells. And putting tank turrets on ships.

Luckily, Japan's concept of a super weapon tends to be a scantily clad teenage girl with magic powers and an assault rifle.

Re:Oh Irony, delicious irony (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252291)

Just kick some sand into those overly large eyes and you're set. Also, I hear they're not good when it comes to dealing with heat - there's only one big sweat gland somewhere around their head, guess they thought that would make stuff more efficient.

Re:Oh Irony, delicious irony (3, Informative)

jasax (1728312) | about 10 months ago | (#45252409)

I'm a Portuguese, and we are paying here > 7% ïnterest on the money lent by Germans and others (USA banks surely) via IMF, BCE etc, while they are getting that money from BCE at 1% rate or so. So, strictly speaking perhaps they are saving us Portuguese suckers from ourselves (I don't speak in the name of Spanish and Greek people) but simultaneously they are leaches sucking our blood from us.

BTW I think Japan has one of the largest 'per capita' public debt in the world, but since it is mostly owned by national banks and citizens, "it stays at home" and there's not a strong international pressure on it (via USA rating agencies who performed miserably in the bank crisis 5 yrs ago).

Re (1)

rewindustry (3401253) | about 10 months ago | (#45252481)

dammit, this would work... perhaps is working, at least subliminally... stay tuned for more.

Re:Oh Irony, delicious irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252145)

Yeah but the issue remains. Why do they pay attention to their constitution whereas the US can't wait to find ways around theirs.

Re:Oh Irony, delicious irony (1)

celle (906675) | about 10 months ago | (#45252431)

"Anybody recall how the Japanese ended up with this constitution?"

      Yes. They attacked us, we nuked them, then rammed our values down their throat.

And then... (1)

Arkiel (741871) | about 10 months ago | (#45251923)

...the NSA had their mad scientists build an earthquake machine to punish those silly Japanese.

Wonder what the real reason is (5, Insightful)

ugen (93902) | about 10 months ago | (#45251943)

Japanese "realpolitik" is complicated and a lot happens "below the surface". While I'd like to hope the request was refused on the grounds of honoring their constitution, a skeptic in me suggests that the true reason must be more pragmatic. Perhaps they did not want US to gain access to their own trade or political secrets (wise choice, given what we now know about wiretapping European leaders). There is a lot of shady stuff going on between Japanese government and businesses (where does it not? I don't mean to single them out, though theirs is not a very transparent society).

So, while it's great to know that at least one rich country can say "no" to US, I wouldn't go moving my colocated mail services to Japan quite yet.

Re:Wonder what the real reason is (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252061)

Yeah. Let's not forget what Japan is currently doing. The LDP, or ironically named Liberal Democratic Party, is currently rewriting the japanese constitution. A few notable changes:

1: The emperor is redefined as a "head of state". He is also excempted from "the obligation to respect and uphold this Constitution".
2: On human rights: "The draft lists every instance of the basic rights as something that is entitled by the State — as opposed to something that human beings inherently possess".
3: "The LDP draft deletes the current provision declaring that armed forces and other war potential shall never be maintained"

I can go on but you get the idea. Don't forget that the leader of the LDP, which should probably be called the Conservative Fascist Party, is the guy who thinks that celebrating WW2 criminals is a good thing for international diplomatic relations.

Re:Wonder what the real reason is (1)

qbast (1265706) | about 10 months ago | (#45252479)

To be honest defining basic rights as something that is entitled by the State is much more realistic view. If you or some other entity (in civilised world it would be the State) does not protect your rights with force, then you have no rights at all. Go to Somalia and insist you have inherent rights when armed band comes for you. Maybe you will amuse their leader enough that he grants you right to continue living. If not, they will cut off your head with machete (after some torture probably) and it will be end of you with all your 'inherently possessed rights'.

Japan LIES (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45251957)

Yeah, so what? We're going to take this claim from a Japanese newspaper at face value, are we? Because you know, when their "Sources" tell us something, well gosh darn it, that's just the end of it, isn't it?

Because, as we know, the Japanese government NEVER lies, *cough* TEPCO *cough*.

I'm so sick of this propaganda bullshit.

The people are the "enemy". You and me. We're the target. Everything we hear and read and find ourselves doing day to day is just the big THEM keeping us wiggling around under the big thumb.

The world we live in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252003)

And who would have imagined a water filter company involved in an international conspiracy of this magnitude?

(probably) not needed c/o USS Jimmy Carter... (1)

kbonin (58917) | about 10 months ago | (#45252007)

Re:(probably) not needed c/o USS Jimmy Carter... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252109)

Typical, the government submarined Jimmy Carter as always. Guess on it at least the engine intakes are protected from filling up with sand.

Not just illegal, expensive (5, Insightful)

Sez Zero (586611) | about 10 months ago | (#45252025)

...refused because it was illegal and would need to involve a massive number of private sector workers.

So being illegal isn't enough, it also has to be expensive and inconvenient?

Re:Not just illegal, expensive (4, Interesting)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 10 months ago | (#45252083)

I think the implication is that they couldn't keep it secret like it was in the US, as they don't have laws in place to silence anyone who might talk about it. Clearly all the US companies that were co-operating with the NSA had private sector staff who knew about it, but they were kept quiet. The pursuit of Snowden is partly to send a message to anyone who might be thinking of breaking their silence that they will be hounded to the ends of the earth for it.

Re:Not just illegal, expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252165)

I think the implication is that they couldn't keep it secret like it was in the US

Maybe some of the details were secret, but by and large, it certainly wasn't a secret to anyone with a brain.

Re:Not just illegal, expensive (2)

gmuslera (3436) | about 10 months ago | (#45252333)

Sweden [falkvinge.net] had not concerns on doing it against Russia. And UK [theguardian.com] tapped cables in a lot of places. But they (along with other european countries [slashdot.org] ) are just US minions, they had to obey, no matter what national or international law say.

Re:Not just illegal, expensive (1)

celle (906675) | about 10 months ago | (#45252465)

"it also has to be expensive and inconvenient"

        And maybe they didn't want the US stealing industrial and research information like they were doing from the 70's onwards.

WRONG- Japan does everything the USA requires (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252057)

Japan may as well be another State of the USA, and NEVER even considers the nature of a US demand- it simply implements it. A long standing GAME since the original invasion and take-over of Japan after WW2 (and invasion that NEVER officially ended) is for the puppet rulers of Japan to pretend to their people that they have independence, and free will. The people of Japan PRETEND to believe this.

Japan has a strange culture- extremely racist and extremely servile. These are a people so weak-willed, for god's sake, that after America had used them in the most evil scientific experiment devised by Man, by nuking two cities purely to explore the consequences of two types of nuclear weapon, the Japanese people willingly adopted baseball as a national sport. The US government, remember, allowed the worst Japanese war-criminals to remain in power and influence after the war. This included Japanese 'scientists' who had followed the principles of American eugenicists, and had experimented on living American servicemen, captured as prisoners of war.

The US government had but one concern post WW2- that any and all socialist movements should be exterminated, to ensure that no unified power bloc would arise in the region post WW2.

Edge to edge, Japanese territory is but one massive spying facility for the USA . Unlike in the USA itself, there aren't even any laws to bypass- America does whatever it likes, and hilariously, the Japanese pick up most of the bills. Daily, the Japanese people read in the official newspapers (Japan has no true free press in any meaningful sense) that whichever corrupt politician is currently ruling them promises that despite American presence across all of Japan, Japan is independent, and internally the Japanese people sadly laugh at the transparent lie. They take comfort in the rise of Japan after WW2, and try, as all Humans must, to rationalise the trade-offs in life.

But the monsters that rule America have a very bad future planned for Japan. Most of you sheeple do NOT know, for instance, that Japan is a mass of nuclear power, because Japan is a nuclear POWER- as in a nation with a massive arsenal of nuclear weapons. Yes, that vilest of war-criminal nations during WW2 has been forced by the USA to become one of the world's major holder of nuclear warheads, so that Japan will be in the front-line at the beginning of the coming war with China. Japan has the warheads, and the missiles to deliver them. However, it is likely that Japan will attack Korea first. Japan has a VERY bad history in the region, and Japan will NOT tolerate a unified Korea. North Korea exists as America's continued gift to and leverage against Japan. Just as Russia prevented East and West Germany from rejoining for decades, so the USA prevents North and South Korea from reunifying.

Why do you sheeple allow the owners of Slashdot to so crudely manipulate you with promoted stories like this one? Finding the truth about the situation in Japan is a moment's work for any who can be bothered, but Slashdot's owners KNOW that people like you get your information about most topics exclusively from PUSH acts like this one. PUSH acts by the mainstream media are always designed to make you think about the 'trees', not the 'forest'. The forest is America's horrifying war-machine that grows by massive amounts every single year. The forest is the change of America into a war supporting society, where the 'greatest' American is the one in uniform carrying out Crimes against Humanity in the lands of people unable to properly defend themselves against US aggression. Where do you think this is going to end up, for heaven's sake?
   

Re:WRONG- Japan does everything the USA requires (1)

jodido (1052890) | about 10 months ago | (#45252089)

Don't agree with a lot of this but one thing to keep in mind is that we only have the Japanese gov't word for what they did. I don't know what happened or didn't, but I do know that "standing up to the US" plays very well in every country--sometimes even in the US.

Re:WRONG- Japan does everything the USA requires (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252241)

Just addressing a portion of your comment: Using nuclear weapons on Japan was a kindness, compared to the alternative. The alternatives were more vicious and would have resulted in far more death and suffering.

Re:WRONG- Japan does everything the USA requires (2)

qbast (1265706) | about 10 months ago | (#45252493)

Nuke somebody and call it a 'kindness' ... only Americans.

"Protects against illegal search and seizure" (2)

Arancaytar (966377) | about 10 months ago | (#45252095)

Man, I sure wish the constitutions of western nations had clauses like that...

wait...

Just keep in mind... (4, Insightful)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 10 months ago | (#45252105)

There is a difference between "Japan didn't help the NSA tap the Asian internet" and "the NSA didn't tap the Asian internet"

Ashamed. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252113)

More and more, I am ashamed to be a citizen of this country. I feel like I've been lied to my entire life about the country I live in, what it stands for, and what it's motivations have been for various things it, as a nation, has done over the decades of my life. America as the Hero of the Day for so many countries? Standing for Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness? It all rings so hollow now, being revealed as a stinking pile of bullshit. Don't get me wrong: I mean our government, not the people; there are truly good people, real heroes, in this country -- but so are there in any other country in any other part of the world. As a country we are revealed as no better than some of the countries who are ostensibly our 'enemies'.

I don't know what to do. Part of me just wants to lay down, close my eyes and sleep, never to awaken again, rather than face the horrifying reality that the United States of America that I grew up believing in is a lie, and that we're as corrupt and evil as any of the other alleged villians we've fought against in decades past. Are we really any better than Nazi Germany, North Korea, Red China, Lybia, Iran, Syria, or Al Qaeda? The answer is not obvious anymore.

We need one of those! (2)

edibobb (113989) | about 10 months ago | (#45252121)

It would be nice if the U.S. Constitution had a clause against unreasonable search and seizure. Maybe we could add an amendment...

Re:We need one of those! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252217)

Well, actually, it *had* one...

Re:We need one of those! (2)

vikingpower (768921) | about 10 months ago | (#45252577)

It would be nice if the US had something resembling a working, operational constitution.

Standard PR (i.e. propaganda) trick ... (5, Interesting)

jc42 (318812) | about 10 months ago | (#45252189)

Note that the summary says "The NSA sought the Japanese government's cooperation to wiretap fiber-optic cables ... but the request was rejected." The use of "the request" here is a standard rhetorical trick to get the reader/listener to believe that there was only one request, and it was rejected. But the English is ambiguous. There could have been many such requests, of which one was rejected, and the statement would still be true. They didn't mention how other such requests were handled. The inference should probably be "... but we won't want to tell you how the other requests were handled".

This is a special case of the general concept of "plausible deniability". Look it up.

Common sense (1)

surfdaddy (930829) | about 10 months ago | (#45252237)

So USA, the "land of the free" has an amendment to its Constitution protecting against unreasonable search and seizure. Yet it's the Japanese who have to use some actual common sense to show us how it is done and what that phrase really means. This is sad.

What the FUCK has happened to the USA?

Re:Common sense (1)

jcr (53032) | about 10 months ago | (#45252377)

If you want to know where it all starts, read the history of the Puritans in New England. They were the sick little bible-thumping bastards who first brought the idea of totalitarianism to this continent.

-jcr

Re:Common sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252401)

So USA, the "land of the free" has an amendment to its Constitution protecting against unreasonable search and seizure. Yet it's the Japanese who have to use some actual common sense to show us how it is done and what that phrase really means. This is sad.

What the FUCK has happened to the USA?

Take your pick :
Americans = Bibendums in Wall-E or Idiots in Idiocracy.

the actual article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252331)

The particular article in their constitution states: "illegal search or seizure of any individuals used panties purchases, tentacle porn downloads, fecal fetish telephone conversations, or crazy lizard games are prohibited by law."

Re:the actual article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252355)

lol i think all illegal searches are prohibited by law....by definition

Good. (1)

SigmundFloyd (994648) | about 10 months ago | (#45252345)

My next computer is Japanese.

It's illegal in the USA, too. (3, Informative)

jcr (53032) | about 10 months ago | (#45252359)

Just for the record.

-jcr

Constitutions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252427)

>Article 35 of the Japanese Constitution protects against illegal search and seizure."

If only the US had some sort of law to protect against illegal search and seizure...

Suddenly, I Want To Be Japanese (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252501)

I think I'm turning Japanese I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so.

we care (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45252619)

the only reason the NSA wants to do this is to keep Americans safe. i mean, what other reason do they have? and we care about our constitution also, that's why evidence gained by illegal wiretaps will never be used in court. other evidence will be manufactured. doesn't matter, a law is being written to stop anyone from reporting on it.
the way we stop illegal wiretapping is to make it illegal to talk about. just like that evil Iraq we attacked. maybe we assimilated their culture of torture and spying on their own citizens.

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