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A Look at the Koch Brothers Dark-Money Network

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the pay-no-attention-to-the-men-behind-the-curtain dept.

The Almighty Buck 406

An anonymous reader writes "The California attorney general and the state's top election watchdog named the 'Koch brothers network' of donors and dark-money nonprofits as the true source of $15 million in secret donations made last year to influence two bitterly fought ballot propositions in California. State officials unmasked the Kochs' network as part of a settlement deal that ends a nearly year-long investigation into the source of the secret donations that flowed in California last fall."

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News For Nerds (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254549)

Please, stop this madness, and stick to real news for nerds.

This story does not belong on this site.

Re:News For Nerds (5, Insightful)

rednip (186217) | about a year ago | (#45254569)

Actually politics is one of the most 'nerdist' topics. Nerds tend to obsess over topics most would rather ignore.

Re:News For Nerds (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254663)

Absolutely. And another hot nerd hobby, lockpicking, seems counterintuitive (with respect to it being a nerd's hobby) at first until you realize that nerds like you all pick locks to surreptitiously break into the house of the hot blonde who rejected you in high-school and with a big sniff steal the used panties from her hamper because you all sure as hell won't be let near an actual vagina. In fact, a lot of those types are Asian and so the used-panty fetish is second-nature to them. Would you prefer eating a fresh-caught fish over something old and stale from a Japanese vending machine? Sure you would!

--Ethanol-fueled

Re:News For Nerds (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255245)

Disregard that. I suck cock.

--Ethanol-fueled

Re:News For Nerds (2)

TVmisGuided (151197) | about a year ago | (#45254679)

Recall Plato's admonishment.

'Nuff said.

Re:News For Nerds (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254707)

Yes it does.

Powerful people are using the Citizens United case to funnel large amounts of money into local elections to F up the society that we are trying to build. One where technology is used for good and lets us work less, while living better lives. Not one where two people who control the big companies that people buy a lot of stuff from get to dictate what the public thinks about climate change, upper class taxes, voting rights, and other issues that they can buy people off on.

Re:News For Nerds (5, Insightful)

Quila (201335) | about a year ago | (#45255019)

Powerful people are using the Citizens United case to funnel large amounts of money into local elections to F up the society that we are trying to build.

Good, we need an article about how Bloomberg and another billionaire tried to derail the grassroots effort to recall those two Colorado anti-gun rights state senators.

Re:News For Nerds (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255167)

I love it how you're marked a troll when as somebody who lives in Colorado, and is a conservative, had a field day calling the liberals hypocrites when Bloomberg donated, what was it, $300,000 to try to stop the recall of one of the two liberal state representatives. Yeah, it's bad to have big money backings as long as it's the guy you don't support. And of course forget about the fact that in Boulder, CO, the town I live outside of is having a big pro-municiplization campaign of their power grid that had citizens united gone the other way, would be illegal. And of course, lets not forget that a lot of what the ACLU does would be banned had citizens united gone the other way. But hey, because they disagreed with that one case that was actually brought to court, who cares about the wider affects of the ruling and what they could have been.

I swear, liberals really can't see anything in the way of consequences past the end of their noses.

Re:News For Nerds (2)

ahabswhale (1189519) | about a year ago | (#45255221)

" lets not forget that a lot of what the ACLU does would be banned had citizens united gone the other way."

How the fuck do you figure that?

Re:News For Nerds (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year ago | (#45255275)

That is actually a new one to me, but it makes sense. The ACLU does a fair bit of lobbying in the same manner as that of citizens united.

Re:News For Nerds (0)

Vidar Leathershod (41663) | about a year ago | (#45255193)

Mod parent up...

Re:News For Nerds (-1, Redundant)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about a year ago | (#45254855)

At first glance of the title, I really thought it was news for nerds. But then I was disappointed when I saw that 'dark-money network' has nothing to do with 'dark net'. Yeah, just more political gunk articles that don't belong.

Re:News For Nerds (2, Interesting)

hey! (33014) | about a year ago | (#45254875)

I dunno. Nerds like complicated machines. This story happens to be one constructed out of legal entities. The machine too complicated for the average attention span, so somebody who has a mentality that isn't daunted by a simple activity diagram ought to be paying attention.

Maybe "News for Nerds" doesn't must mean "Nerdy Stuff". Maybe it could also mean "News for Nerds to Pay Attention To".

Re:News For Nerds (5, Insightful)

bobwalt (2500092) | about a year ago | (#45254999)

It is amazing how an article like this gets so many responses that say it should not be posted yet Slashdot has so much pseudo libertarian crap posted that it sounds like a Ron Paul commercial. I doubt that two thirds of these people them have any real idea of what libertarianism is. The worst part is that these so called libertarians are being manipulated by people that are no more libertarian than Wilhelm Keppler or Orval Faubus.

Re:News For Nerds (2)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year ago | (#45255299)

That depends on your perspective. From what I've observed, slashdot is very often pro AGW, anti-GMO, pro labor union, and "probama". You tend to notice those articles you disagree with more than the ones you agree with, and it's had articles pointing in favor of both sides of all of the above issues.

Re:News For Nerds (4, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#45255063)

Please, stop this madness, and stick to clicking on stories that interest you.

This comment of "I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS TOPIC" does not belong on this site.

Also, vote in the fucking firehose and stop complaining.

Re:News For Nerds (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255249)

"Please, stop this madness, and stick to real news for nerds.

This story does not belong on this site."

Yeah like the hard right and corporate world were FOR social security, perhaps if nerd wannabe's like yourself were not so fucking historically illiterate you'd understand the danger of extremist capitalist ideology to the stability of societies historically speaking. Hard left ideologies like communism didn't appear in a vaccum, they were birthed by the extreme exploitation of real people by the types of extreme right wing ideologues that are now rampaging across the US. Despite what capitalism's ignorant cheerleaders tell you, it took two world wars and the cold war to get a 'middle class' not capitalism. People had to bleed in the streets to fight for better wages you just assume fall out of the sky from right wing econ 101. Americans are just so historically illiterate it's shocking.

i'm sorry everyone (2)

circletimessquare (444983) | about a year ago | (#45255259)

the topic adequacy police has spoken

we have to move on now

delete your comments and find a new topic

if the anonymous coward disapproves again, you need to abandon that thread too

i'm sorry folks, but the anonymous topic adequacy police is in charge here, we all know that

Re: News For Nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255361)

If you think this doesn't affect us, you are an idiot.

Re:News For Nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255365)

Spoken like a typical Slashdot Koch sucker, indeed.

Is this Slashdot or the daily kos? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254551)

How is this news for nerds?

Re:Is this Slashdot or the daily kos? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254803)

That's my reaction to the constant barrage of Snowden/NSA stories here. And each of those gets the predictable posts, probably from the same posters: there's the anti-American posts, the anti-Obama ones, China and Country X are just as bad, etc.

An occasional story on the NSA, OK (along with similar stories on Google, Facebook, and other governments arguably stepping over the line). But on a daily (at least) basis? Now we're seeing someone's political agenda.

Re:Is this Slashdot or the daily kos? (0)

Iconoc (2646179) | about a year ago | (#45254805)

It used to be difficult to get an article posted on Slashdot. These days it is pretty easy to get posted as "anonymous reader."

The articles look like this, especially as we move into a new election cycle. Slashdot is on a long slow slide into irrelevance.

Timothy will counter with (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254559)

How George Soros maneuvers behind the scenes

And how is this any different... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254561)

than the "dark-money coming from obama and his gang of socialists?
We already know where slashdot is coming from...

Re:And how is this any different... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254583)

>socialists

Wow, it's almost as though you have absolutely no idea what that word means.

Re:And how is this any different... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254827)

Awww, poor widdle conservatards mod-bombing everyone who calls them out on their ignorant bullshit. Maybe mommy will kiss your boo-boo.

Re:And how is this any different... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254595)

For one thing, the Koch brothers actually exist while this "gang of socialists" does not.

Re:And how is this any different... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254641)

Psst, I've got this bridge I'm sure you'll want to buy. It's a great deal.

Re:And how is this any different... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254703)

Assuming you know as much about bridges as you do about socialists, I'm sure it's actually a boat you're talking about.

No thanks, they tend to be money pits.

Re:And how is this any different... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254665)

Then why were they featured in the documentary film, Warriors, which depicted the struggle of a group of Conservatives trying to survive a night in a Liberal hellhole?

Re: And how is this any different... (1)

Stephen Thomas Kraus Jr (3382177) | about a year ago | (#45254661)

This is a severely stupid comment. Comparing the Koch Brothers to a sitting US president?

Re:And how is this any different... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254723)

Come on now, everyone know Koch=Evil. Didn't you read the talking points?

Re:And how is this any different... (5, Insightful)

Gonoff (88518) | about a year ago | (#45254733)

Why would a centre right president have a gang of socialists?

There are very few socialists in the USA. The politics are so distorted that some people assume that "liberal" means left wing. It doesn't. It means politically right in the middle.

If right in the middle is way to your left, where does that mean you are?

Re:And how is this any different... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254753)

If right in the middle is way to your left, where does that mean you are?

Hopefully a padded cell.

Re:And how is this any different... (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#45254781)

Hopefully a padded cell.

C'mere, you. Lemme give you a big kiss. You just gave me a good laugh.

Re:And how is this any different... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254965)

"the politics are so distorted that some people assume that "liberal" means left wing. It doesn't. It means politically right in the middle."

That is the most twisted pile of crap i've heard in years.

current liberals have no clue where the middle is or even was in years past.
they live in their own little parnoid world telling each other stories about how evil anyone who isn't like them must be.

Re:And how is this any different... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255015)

> "the politics are so distorted that some people assume that "liberal" means left wing. It doesn't. It means politically right in the middle."
> That is the most twisted pile of crap i've heard in years.

The first question is how this is the most twisted thing you've heard. I mean, do you go outside? Second you go on to lump and disparage (with absolutely no reason) a mythical Limbaugh-like group. Some ethereal "current liberal crop" group.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. It "sounds" like you're mentally disturbed.

Re:And how is this any different... (5, Insightful)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about a year ago | (#45255053)

If you want an understanding of what "socialist" means in American political discourse (I'm guessing you're from the old country, given your sig and your spelling conventions), then search sometime for "AM talk radio" and listen in for a few hours. "Socialist" is little more than a pejorative. I truly wish we had some genuine socialists in the US, not because I support their politics (full disclosure: I'm decidedly to the right and reckon Edmund Burke one of your finest political writers) but because I appreciate their clarity.

The ACA was little more than mandating the purchase of a corporate product, centralizing its sales, and offering subsidies to folks with lower income who don't qualify for the medicare expansion (which is to say, indirectly subsidizing the insurance companies). What we have here are the problems of capitalism combined with the problems of central planning in one system.

Socialists offer a real alternative to this system, and an alternative which is rooted in specific moral principles. I do not agree with all those principles (but chiefly I have a different view of human nature, which is why I'm a conservative) but I can at least come to an understanding with a socialist based upon what principles we share. Our current political landscape seems to be dominated instead by centrist politicians whose chief principles consist in ensuring reelection by satisfying corporate donors. If we had real socialists, at least we could have a real conversation. Since the liberals in this country co-opted the right's plan and passed the ACA, the right has been devoid of any real ideas. The most interesting ideas I've seen on the right have come from distributists [distributistreview.com] , but such get no play in our current political environment.

Re:And how is this any different... (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#45255281)

I truly wish we had some genuine socialists in the US

They're called Unions.... you know, like the first name of USA?

Re:And how is this any different... (5, Insightful)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about a year ago | (#45255351)

As any good Marxist will tell you, unions will not get you to socialism (unless they rather suddenly go revolutionary). They will get you to neoliberalism. The problem is that their interests are tied to those of their industrialist employers. They want a bigger slice of the pie but, ultimately, they also want to maintain the system that keeps them fed.

Unions take a rather conservative (in the looser sense of the term) approach to the labor issue. They're content to have the capitalist own the capital. They only ask that labor get a more equitable share of the revenue. This is not the case with a genuine socialist.

Re:And how is this any different... (1)

approachingZero (1365381) | about a year ago | (#45255239)

Obama is a leftist, what part of that don't you get? You moved the political spectrum in your head, redshifted. Things that are moving to the left seem okay to you.

Re:And how is this any different... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255287)

Your username is in reference to your IQ, right?

Liberal / Conservative (3, Informative)

gd2shoe (747932) | about a year ago | (#45255253)

There are very few socialists in the USA. The politics are so distorted that some people assume that "liberal" means left wing. It doesn't. It means politically right in the middle.

No, it doesn't. You sound like you're regurgitating something you were spoon fed in college. I don't care what it meant at one point. I do care what it means today.

"Liberal" means lose, freely, without limitation, etc. "Conservative", means limited, restrained, cautious, etc. A true liberal sees no need to be hampered by bad decisions made in the past. Progress can be made, things can be fixed. A true conservative, on the other hand, sees no need to fix things that aren't broken. Why experiment if something is working? You might break it.

Most of us are not one, nor the other. We're a bit of both, some more to one side or the other.

Here's the important bit that you need to wrap your head around: Liberal and Conservative aren't points on the political spectrum. They're directions. (Most people overlook this, including most professors.)

The common usage of these terms has varied wildly over the years. The fundamental definition of the words hasn't changed, but the tyrants, liars, and impostors over the years have all used them to prop up their own brand of crazy. Today, those words depend almost entirely on which country you're in. In the US, they mean "acceptable to Democrats" and "acceptable to Republicans". No, those aren't the actual definitions of those words, but no other country in the world uses strictly correct definitions for them either. Remember, they're directions, not destinations. (pointing towards change, and away from change)

Re:And how is this any different... (1, Insightful)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year ago | (#45255341)

It's all about perspective to be honest. Probably because Obama generally looks favorably upon redistribution, which most people in America aren't in favor of. To us, that is socialist.

This is as opposed to say Francois Hollande, who wants a 75% tax rate in France. Does him being more socialist make Obama less socialist? Absolutely not. A Hollande supporter would say Obama isn't a socialist, but that doesn't make him any less socialist either.

And honestly, I hate the terms left and right because they don't do anything to describe a persons view on issues like personal liberties and economics. Often you have strange mixes of either. For example the left claim to be pro freedom, yet the most hardcore of them want to ban firearms and soft drinks. Right wing is supposedly closer to being Fascist/Nazi all about control, yet they're derided by the left for wanting a government with fewer laws, regulations, and taxes.

damn philanthropists (2)

frovingslosh (582462) | about a year ago | (#45254565)

from TFA: there was a philanthropist involved in this. We should string up all of the philanthropists!

Re:damn philanthropists (4, Informative)

pspahn (1175617) | about a year ago | (#45254607)

You mean this guy?

On the morning of June 19, 2006, Haas was arrested by IRS agents for investigation of filing false tax returns, witness intimidation, and conspiracy.[12] Four others were indicted together with Haas.

Haas initially pled not guilty, but after all four of the co-indicted plead guilty and just before his case was to go to trial, a plea agreement was reached with Haas pleading guilty on one count.

Haas made full restitution to the IRS and has served a fraction of a 24-month sentence in federal prison. He was released to a halfway house in November 2008. Since February 2009, he has been living at his home and working at Haas Automation.

Re:damn philanthropists (2)

WaywardGeek (1480513) | about a year ago | (#45255213)

Is this a good place to say, "Ha ha!... you spent $15 to illegally influence an election and lost! And now you have to pay $16M in fines!"

Honestly, it's this secret crap that scares me the most, whether it's the Koch brothers or the NSA. If they're going to screw us over, they'd better damn well do it in the light of day.

Re:damn philanthropists (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255189)

The Kochs are the exact opposite of philanthropists. I can't think of even one good deed either of those two fascist bastards have done.

Exciting prospect (1, Troll)

amightywind (691887) | about a year ago | (#45254571)

I'm really excited about the Kock brothers activism in California. It is just free political speech. Something must be done to counter the sleazy money machine of the California public unions and the democrats.

Re:Exciting prospect (1, Troll)

calidoscope (312571) | about a year ago | (#45255171)

Especially considering the the California Teachers Union outspent everyone of contributions for California elections. These are the same people that make getting rids of child molesters from schools such a difficult task (see news reports about the difficulty in getting rid of truly bad teachers).

Re:Exciting prospect (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255335)

So two billionaires should be able to effectively have more free speech than hundreds of thousands of union members?

George Sorosis anyone? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254605)

George Sorosis anyone?

Re:George Sorosis anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254623)

Damned iOS autocorrect. Sorosis = Soros.

Re:George Sorosis anyone? (2)

hey! (33014) | about a year ago | (#45254821)

Damned iOS autocorrect. Sorosis = Soros.

I take it then that: is = 1.

blah blah blah (0)

FudRucker (866063) | about a year ago | (#45254643)

Koch bros does it, soros does it, both the neocons and liberal progressives do it, it is just a left VS right battle over who controls the kleptocratic fascist state, the only ones really losing is the middle class which shrinks every year while the ghettos keep getting bigger, in another decade the rest of the USA will look like Detroit

Re:blah blah blah (2, Interesting)

Nyder (754090) | about a year ago | (#45254709)

Koch bros does it, soros does it, both the neocons and liberal progressives do it, it is just a left VS right battle over who controls the kleptocratic fascist state, the only ones really losing is the middle class which shrinks every year while the ghettos keep getting bigger, in another decade the rest of the USA will look like Detroit

Maybe the people need to do their own sort of justice on these people. If our government isn't going to effective, then isn't it up to us to put a stop to people like that? And by stop, I mean, put them to death. Extremist view, ya, but honestly, I'm getting sick of the bullshit in this country. It's getting time to make the governments and corporations fear the people again, instead of us fearing them.

Also, thanks for the new word, kleptocractic. Describes what our corporate politicians are exactly.

Re:blah blah blah (1, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | about a year ago | (#45254985)

If our government isn't going to effective, then isn't it up to us to put a stop to people like that? And by stop, I mean, put them to death. Extremist view, ya, but honestly, I'm getting sick of the bullshit in this country.

So grab a gun and do it

Re:blah blah blah (1)

Nyder (754090) | about a year ago | (#45255135)

If our government isn't going to effective, then isn't it up to us to put a stop to people like that? And by stop, I mean, put them to death. Extremist view, ya, but honestly, I'm getting sick of the bullshit in this country.

So grab a gun and do it

Sir, yes sir, I will do as you just ordered me to, sir!

Re:blah blah blah (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254969)

i'm a liberal. i dont defend Soros. why are you defending the Kochs ?

Re:blah blah blah (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254983)

As usual the "both political parties are corrupt" type argument scores well with the mods on Slashdot, as it does with listeners on talk radio.

But it's really just whining. Waaaaahhh, woe is us! What is missing is analysis, a presentation of alternatives, how institutional incentives can be changed to promote better leadership (as opposed to "X is the real deal", where X frequently turns out to be the crackpot Ron Paul).

Re:blah blah blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255017)

Actually, everyone in Detroit moved to neighboring Oakland county for lower taxes. Middle class is fine if you consider health insurance part of your compensation which thanks to BO care will be bigger.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=977

Re:blah blah blah (5, Informative)

hey! (33014) | about a year ago | (#45255021)

Koch bros does it, soros does it, both the neocons and liberal progressives do it,

What is "it"?

Let me summarize why the article is news. According to the California AG's office, the Koch brothers have set up a fraudulent scheme that allows them and their allies to illegally deduct money spent on political projects from their taxes.

I sympathize with your strong feelings about the excessive influence of money in democracy, but the story is about more than billionaires spending their money on politics. It's about the Koch brothers allegedly committing fraud while they do that.

Re:blah blah blah (2)

FudRucker (866063) | about a year ago | (#45255117)

pointing out corruption between the government and the monied elite is like pointing out turds in a septic tank full of turds, while the article is specific about one incident, i was pointing out a systemic problem within the big picture

Re:blah blah blah (5, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | about a year ago | (#45255105)

The thing is, all of those seem kinda true, but fall apart when you examine them closely:

1. George Soros doesn't attempt to hide what he does with his money. David and Charles Koch do.

2. I don't think you know what "kleptocratic" and "fascist" really mean:
    - In a kleptocracy, the primary purpose of government is personally enriching the officials in it. The US doesn't really operate that way: The politicians get paid well and get paid off, but they aren't really getting all that rich themselves (by the standards of rich people), they're more carrying water for billionaires like Soros, Koch, and Koch, which makes the US more of a plutocracy than a kleptocracy. By contrast, a kleptocrat like Jean-Claude Duvalier snagged something like $500 million, making (for example) Bill Clinton's $80 million in book sales and speaking fees look like peanuts by comparison.
    - If the US were really full-blown fascist, you'd see a much larger percentage of economic activity geared towards funding a war of conquest somewhere, mass executions of citizens without trial, open and legalized discrimination in the streets, and people shipped off to labor camps based solely on their parentage. We've had some of that at various points in our history, but there's a lot of steps between modern American and Mussolini's Italy that simply aren't happening right now.

3. The ones really losing are not the middle class, they're the people in those ghettos already who have no good way out. You mention Detroit: As bad as it would be if you were used to living in a nice suburb and then ended up in something kind of like Detroit, how much worse would it suck if you were born and raised in Detroit and never acquired the net worth or job skills to be able to viably move somewhere else. Another factor in all this, that I'm not positive the upper class really understands: If the middle class goes completely under, it takes the upper class with them, because the upper class's investment income depends ultimately on the consumer spending of everyone else.

Chill out! (5, Insightful)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#45254651)

the true source of $15 million in secret donations made last year to influence two bitterly fought ballot propositions in California

The Koch's have been shafting the political process for years, nobody cared before. What is this? Some sort of fo-public Koch exposure? We all know that the Koch's will remain hidden until the heat dies off then they'll come and fuck something else up.

Please stop... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254653)

... posting liberal rants.
They are not "news for nerds" but are news for turds.

Re:Please stop... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254823)

stop reading them. better for your mental health then to stick to Drudge, Fox News, etc. then.

I see you.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254847)

Hi there ya kleptocratic fascist! Please go fuck yourself with an outboard motor!

News for Liberals (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254671)

Probably time to go find a new news site for technology.

Re:News for Liberals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254745)

... and nothing of value was lost.

Re:News for Liberals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254921)

Except the site's value.

Re:News for Liberals (1)

JWW (79176) | about a year ago | (#45254967)

Perhaps.

I concur with all the others that feel this article is not really what this site should be about.

Tech Articles pleaseâ¦.

Slashdot Conservatives (5, Insightful)

brit74 (831798) | about a year ago | (#45254683)

Well, I guess we know who the conservatives are on Slashdot, now. It amazing to see how much they complain when criticism is aimed at rich people who are swaying elections in directions that they appreciate.

Re:Slashdot Conservatives (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255261)

You know, some part of me wonders. Why do liberals keep saying "rich people" and "conservatives" as they're interchangeable. Seriously. Lets pull out some of the top billionaires in this country, look not what they're registered as (as you'll find they're pretty much all registered independent), but look at their political leanings. Buffett made campaign contributions to the obama campaign. Bill Gates, called out for his college fund discriminating against whites along with also supporting obama, boy, that sounds like what a conservative would do. Ted Turner, need I say any more? All of the Hollywood elite? I'm sorry, but the rich people you hate so much are the liberals. I tend to think the conservatives are the middle class. The rich and the poor are the liberals. The ones who've tried, but weren't lucky end up in the middle class, and I think that brings a conservative edge to your life outlook.

Re:Slashdot Conservatives (3, Insightful)

chasisaac (893152) | about a year ago | (#45255285)

I am just glad that people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs (when alive), Warren Buffet, and George Soros all who use their money for the DNC have never influenced politics or elections in any way.

"Americans for Responsible Leadership" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254689)

Anyone at least 20 years old should realize that an institution with a name like that is most likely a lobbying arm for crackpots.

I guess the left has to have their bogeymen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254701)

The right uses George Soros to the same effect. Not too dissimilar to the way Jews were treated in the 1930s in Europe.

Re:I guess the left has to have their bogeymen (4, Interesting)

zippthorne (748122) | about a year ago | (#45254751)

George Soros makes his money from currency arbitrage. You think he's above attempting to influence the factors that affect the relative value of currency?

Re:I guess the left has to have their bogeymen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255273)

At least the Koch brothers provide a real product instead of just stealing it.

Re:I guess the left has to have their bogeymen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255315)

Whatever you may think of religion in general, this is one area where I'd love to try going "old school".

Along with the general warnings about the moral hazards of wealth, the notion of "making money merely because you have money", that is, usury, is specifically prohibited by scripture. Over time the original criteria have been watered down, even by religious authorities themselves, but...

What might the world look like if everyone actually had to work, that is, directly produce something of tangible value from personal effort, as the sole means of profit?

Re:I guess the left has to have their bogeymen (1)

ahabswhale (1189519) | about a year ago | (#45255325)

I would note that he's only liberal about certain things but he's really only in it for himself. He has his own agenda and a lot of it doesn't really line up with what most liberals believe.

Re:I guess the left has to have their bogeymen (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255257)

interestingly Soros WAS treated like a jew in 1930s in Europe.

"Koch brother network"? (4, Informative)

stenvar (2789879) | about a year ago | (#45254729)

The "Koch link" seems to be that one of the guys running one of the foundations was described by Politico as a "Koch operative". The other Koch link was that there was an E-mail asking one of the Koch brothers for contributions to help get a proposition passed that would have limited the ability of unions to raise private money for political purposes. Consistent with his libertarian views, he says he does not support such restrictions and did not support the proposition directly or indirectly.

Can someone explain to me how this turns into a "Koch brother network"? I mean, perhaps the Koch brothers are more deeply involved in this, but nothing in the MJ article or the settlement seems to provide any evidence for any significant involvement by them.

Re:"Koch brother network"? (5, Informative)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#45254887)

Can someone explain to me

I have the same complaint when someone uses some high-tech acronym I don't recognize.

If this was the first article you had ever read that mentions the Koch Brothers, I could see where you might need such an explanation. By now, half a decade into their influencing the political system to enhance their fossil fuel and other natural resource holdings, most of the readers, especially the American readers, know who these guys are, who their father was (a big John Bircher and avowed racist and anti-semite) and what they're up to via mechanisms like FreedomWorks and ALEC and the Tea Party. They use their own billions as seed money to create a network of action committees that seek to influence politics from the level of local school boards thousands of miles away from where they live right on up to the President and the President's supervisor, the chairman of the Fed.

A famous story about one of the Koch Brothers recounts how someone called Wisconsin governor Scott Walker pretending to be David Koch and the governor slobbered all over the phone telling the pseudo-Koch Brother how he was gonna make sure - you bet - to get rid of all those unions who expect to actually get, you know, paid for working in Koch Industries facilities, and assured pseudo-Koch that there would be sufficient poor people taken off the state Badgercare rolls so that Koch's companies would get substantial tax subsidies in Wisconsin. It was a remarkable candid snapshot of just how much the name "Koch" reverberates through the precincts of the so-called "constitutional conservatives" and just how much it opens the doors to the treasury to these so-called "patriots".

Re:"Koch brother network"? (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about a year ago | (#45255119)

You would deserve +1 informative, but I wonder how the whole story made it to Slashdot. While I agree corrupted politicians should be shamed ans Interne is a valuable tool for that, this story looks very local news, isn't it?

Re:"Koch brother network"? (5, Informative)

codeusirae (3036835) | about a year ago | (#45254899)

01: "two Arizona-based nonprofits, the Koch-linked Center to Protect Patients Rights and Americans for Responsible Leadership, admitted violating state election law"

02: "One potential donor courted by an ally of Russo's was Charles Koch, the chairman and CEO of Koch Industries"

03: "Hi Charles .. It would be great if you could support the final effort with several million .. I must tell you that Sean Noble from your group has been immensely helpfull in our efforts .. I look forward to seeing you on the golf-course" ..

04: "AJS and its lawyers took precautions, choosing to funnel the money through the Center to Protect Patients Rights, which was run by Sean Noble, who was then the primary outside consultant and strategist to the Koch brothers' national donor network"

05: "Here, the money trail forks into two trails. In one direction, CPPR gave $7 million to a nonprofit called the American Future Fund, which in turn passed $4.08 million of that to a subsidiary in California. That subsidiary, the California Future Fund for Free Markets, finally spent the money on influencing Props. 30 and 32.

06: `In the second direction, CPPR directed $13 million to its Arizona neighbor, Americans for Responsible Leadership. ARL then passed $11 million of that money to the Small Business Action Committee in Sacramento, which spent the money influencing Props. 30 and 32.'

07: `Here's the bottom line: A California fundraiser raised a boatload of money. He shuffled it through a network of secretly funded nonprofit groups to hide the donors' identities. And when the money finally arrived in California in time to influence the 2012 elections, the fingerprints on the money had been thoroughly scrubbed off—and in the process, the operatives masterminding this scheme had broken the law. '

Re:"Koch brother network"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255179)

You have to admit, that money did trickle down...

Re:"Koch brother network"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255231)

I don't know why you are so dismissive of the foundation link. The huffington post article clearly states that Sean Noble was the head of the Koch network. So not just another operative, but THE operative. Noble managed the Koch network of political nonprofits. Russo, the guy behind this thing, funneled the money through one of Noble's nonprofits, CPPR. But all Russo could do is give money to the CPPR. Noble made all the CPPR decisions/donations, presumably, since he was in charge.
And the whole illegal thing was that Russo gave money to CPPR, and then CPPR donated it back to California orgs, but now the money didn't have the original donor names attached.

Since when is money laundering a "loophole"? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254773)

Once again there are no criminal prosecutions of the rich and powerful who choose to deliberately violate the law. A one million dollar fine is nothing to these people, they will recover from that minor "inconvenience" in less than a month. When are the American people going to get fed up with these shenanigans enough to start throwing these people in prison? That's the only thing that will make others think twice about doing the same thing again next year.

So California can only throw them in prison for a year. Make it general population and not one of those country club prisons for the rich and actually fine them the double-the-amount part. A thirty million dollar fine might take them more than a few weeks to recover from.

Reroute (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254787)

It's damage to the political process. Route around it.

If this is news for nerds, obviously it is an exhortation to re-engineer politics such that they cannot be controlled by entrenched elites.

Members of the Koch family have given to conservat (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254851)

Start investigating the liberal lefties !
BTW keep this stuff off of here

Pick one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254891)

Pick only one topic:
- Arduino
- Bitcoins
- 3D printers
- Magnets
- Aliens

If it's not one of those, it doesn't belong on Reddit.

Wait, what do you mean this is not Reddit? Have you seen the topics lately?

Uh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254963)

The Koch 'Brothers' Funded the UC Berkeley study to demonstrate for once and for all that American human radiation is melting the Antarctic ice sheets and disturbing the breeding cycle of Japanese.

Ha ha.

Idea: tax political donations or advertising (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45254989)

We could probably balance the budget in no time!
 

Where iis report on Soros money (0)

bricko (1052210) | about a year ago | (#45255137)

Will there soon be a report on the "dark" money from Soros and his Marxist dark money.

Re:Where iis report on Soros money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45255293)

Maybe you could show us how Soros is breaking the law and you could even write it yourself.

Ignore Tides (-1, Offtopic)

EverlastingPhelps (568113) | about a year ago | (#45255197)

After all, this $15 million is important, but the $100 million that is laundered for Soros and Bennett by the Tides group every year is not important.

What About Soros (-1)

chasisaac (893152) | about a year ago | (#45255237)

Would be nice to see if the money "donated" by Soros to DNC people would raise half the ire.
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