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UK Prime Minister Threatens To Block Further Snowden Revelations

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the on-with-their-heads dept.

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Bruce66423 writes "From the article: 'In a statement to MPs on Monday about last week's European summit in Brussels, where he warned of the dangers of a "lah-di-dah, airy-fairy view" about the dangers of leaks, the prime minister said his preference was to talk to newspapers rather than resort to the courts. But he said it would be difficult to avoid acting if newspapers declined to heed government advice.' So that will achieve something won't it? Don't these politicians understand that blocking publication in just the UK achieves nothing? The information is held outside the UK, and will be published there; all he's doing is showing his real colors."

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wrong target (-1, Troll)

deodiaus2 (980169) | about a year ago | (#45265683)

Will someone point out that Snowdon is probably revealing info to the Russians? After all, everyone wants SOMETHING!!

Re:wrong target (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265721)

Will someone remember Snowden is pointing out info to everyone. The most important info. Heck, the Russians pale in comparison to the dangers of the NSA. Ever heard of transparency? Got a clue?

No one outside of the NSA knows what Snowden knows (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265957)

Will someone point out that Snowdon is probably revealing info to the Russians? After all, everyone wants SOMETHING!!

Will someone remember Snowden is pointing out info to everyone. The most important info.

Unless you are working for the NSA (or possibly the Russian or Chinese security agencies) how would you know what info Snowden accessed?

How do you know that what he releases to the public is complete, that some things are not held back and only released to his generous hosts?

When a leaker appears that leaks embarrassing and compromising info about the U.S., Russia and China I will be a little less skeptical about that leaker being completely open and transparent.

Re:No one outside of the NSA knows what Snowden kn (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266019)

So basically you'll trust a whistleblower who has climbed the ranks high enough to access top secret information in the U.S.'s intelligence service, Russia's intelligence service, and China's intelligence service? But what if this whistleblower dosn't release information that's embarrassing to Paraguay, too? How could you then trust that he wasn't just a shill for some Latin American strongmen? Hmmmm?

Re:No one outside of the NSA knows what Snowden kn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266167)

So basically you'll trust a whistleblower who has climbed the ranks high enough to access top secret information in the U.S.'s intelligence service, Russia's intelligence service, and China's intelligence service?

Any one will do, U.S., Russian or Chinese security. Each will have dirt on the other two.

Re:wrong target (5, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#45265759)

um. No he's revealing info to everyone.. No country claiming to be a bastion of freedom should be in the business of mass data collection of its citizens' comings and goings. The criminals are the politicians in washington DC. Hell, the russian government probably already knows more about the USA domestic spying activities than its own citizens do.

Re:wrong target (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265861)

Cameron is a COMPLETE idiot!

Re:wrong target (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266067)

Not true; many parts are still missing. But he's pulling himself together, so to speak.

Re:wrong target (1)

erikkemperman (252014) | about a year ago | (#45266223)

Cameron is a COMPLETE idiot!

Not true; many parts are still missing. But he's pulling himself together, so to speak.

He's almost all there, but for shame and common sense.

Re:wrong target (5, Interesting)

mosb1000 (710161) | about a year ago | (#45266011)

No country claiming to be a bastion of freedom should be in the business of mass data collection of its citizens' comings and goings.

That's probably just a consequence of having the ability to collect such data. I'm more worried about they way they encourage people they have a problem with to engage in illegal activities just so that they can arrest them. Or the way the way laws have been passed prohibiting recreational drug use, effectively declaring 10% or so of the population to be criminals. Them tracking our comings and goings wouldn't be such a problem if our innocent activities weren't illegal in the first place.

Re:wrong target (5, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#45265767)

Will someone point out that Snowdon is probably revealing info to the Russians?

Why? Don't they have their own subscription to The Guardian?

Re:wrong target (5, Interesting)

Frobnicator (565869) | about a year ago | (#45265979)

Why? Don't they have their own subscription to The Guardian?

One interesting thing about threats is that you absolutely must be able to follow through and the threats most be seen as a positive action. Cameron has just put his head in a noose. (Well, more than usual)

When The Guardian publishes again --- which it absolutely will --- he can choose to do nothing and further relinquish control, further harming himself politically. Or he can take it to the courts like he threatened, spending a fortune trying to get an unpopular order which will also harm him politically. If he succeeds at getting the order all it will do is make the UK government and the crown look even more the fools. He is playing a game that has no winning moves.

By all means, I hope he continues to make threats like this. If he doesn't follow through he will be seen as weak, and if he does follow through he will become even more unpopular. Boris Johnson is already twice as popular in the polls [mirror.co.uk] , Cameron is already less popular than his party (which is also rapidly sinking) and idiotic statements like this will just cause the ship to sink faster.

Mr Cameron, every time you open your mouth you make it easier for those who will oppose your party in 2015. Please carry on.

Re:wrong target (5, Insightful)

rsborg (111459) | about a year ago | (#45266147)

When The Guardian publishes again --- which it absolutely will --- he can choose to do nothing and further relinquish control, further harming himself politically. Or he can take it to the courts like he threatened, spending a fortune trying to get an unpopular order which will also harm him politically. If he succeeds at getting the order all it will do is make the UK government and the crown look even more the fools. He is playing a game that has no winning moves.

Let's change how we look at David Cameron. Instead of viewing him as the PM, look at him instead as a very expensive property of the Murdochs. How much would Rupert and his clan pay to finally silence the Guardian or any joint willing to publish in the UK? Who cares if their latest pawn (Cameron) goes down in flames - they'll just bribe the opposition or push one of their other pawns forward.

Re:wrong target (1)

ruir (2709173) | about a year ago | (#45266197)

Why only the Guardian? As far I am aware UK is in track well with China and Pakistan, having Internet censorship already in place.

Re:wrong target (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266255)

Looking forward to the Queen curtly saying, "I think we've about heard enough from you" to Cameron.

Re:wrong target (-1, Troll)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#45266077)

Don't they have their own subscription to The Guardian?

If the Guardian processed payments from the bank of moscow, they'd be aiding terrorism.

Re:wrong target (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266119)

The Grauniad is printed as several editions in several locations. The best way to answer this would be to print the British edition with large amounts of white space entitled "Censored" on the pages that the foreign editions have articles that contain information obtained from Snowden. The British people would then go online to see the information which would harm the British press but harm the British government more.

Re:wrong jigs (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265799)

Will someone point out that Snowdon is probably revealing info to the Russians? After all, everyone wants SOMETHING!!

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Fuckin' niggers. If you don't think theyre inferior, prove it! Move in with a whole lot of em. See how cool that is! (NOT RECOMMENDED) Find your car on blocks and the stereo gone and tell me how magnificent and equal they are! See gang colors and hear gunshots in the night and reflect on how diverse and inclusive you are! Find out what incarceration really costs and tell me they need reparations! All that's just GREAT. Just don't say anything TRUE about them that is bad, that's RACIST.

Re:wrong target (4, Informative)

Demonantis (1340557) | about a year ago | (#45265945)

Incorrect: According to Snowden, the laptops he brought to Russia were empty. Shockingly the internet exists making physical transport of data unnecessary. He doesn't have control and probably access over the information anymore. That is why Cameron is attacking the news outlets now. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/14/snowden_decoy_laptops_russia_china/ [theregister.co.uk]

Russian Times to the rescue (5, Interesting)

ulatekh (775985) | about a year ago | (#45265693)

I remember reading about these NSA revelations years before Edward Snowden disclosed them...on the Russian Times [rt.com] web site.

Guess we'll have to go back to relying on the Russian press to defend freedom and print the truth.

Ugh...I think I just threw up in my mouth.

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (1, Troll)

siddesu (698447) | about a year ago | (#45265867)

The only little problem with that is that krivda.ru and the likes are even more tightly controlled by the Russian government and will present whatever information they have in an even more slanted way, probably as a part of a plan to harm you.

It seems a much better idea would be for y'all to get a grip on your government and make it better instead of relying on bunch of foreign crooks to do it for you.

I won't even touch the many Russian conspiracy theories that explain how Putin (whose children live in the West and whose personal money holdings are also in Western banks) is actually on a leash, probably tightly held by the US government ;)

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (-1, Flamebait)

ulatekh (775985) | about a year ago | (#45265927)

The only little problem with that is that krivda.ru and the likes are even more tightly controlled by the Russian government and will present whatever information they have in an even more slanted way, probably as a part of a plan to harm you.

And that's different from the far-left government-lapdog U.S. press how, exactly?

It seems a much better idea would be for y'all to get a grip on your government and make it better instead of relying on bunch of foreign crooks to do it for you.

On the other hand, the U.S. didn't win the Revolutionary War all by itself. France helped a lot.

I won't even touch the many Russian conspiracy theories that explain how Putin (whose children live in the West and whose personal money holdings are also in Western banks) is actually on a leash, probably tightly held by the US government ;)

That's just what they WANT you to believe...(cue "dramatic look chipmunk")

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (5, Informative)

mirix (1649853) | about a year ago | (#45265993)

And that's different from the far-left government-lapdog U.S. press how, exactly?

There's not much far-left anything in the US. Certainly not 'the press', unless you're counting some random blog or the communist party's paper.

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (-1, Troll)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year ago | (#45266109)

Is the New York Times a liberal newspaper? Of course it is.

Do you disbelieve this phrase? Highlight the entire two sentences with the mouse, right-click, and select 'search'.

The press is certainly a government lapdog. They have had plenty of chances to go after the administration but refused. Tough questions are not asked, investigations are not launched, Pulitzer Prizes are not won.

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266185)

Is the New York Times a liberal newspaper? Of course it is.

Do you disbelieve this phrase? Highlight the entire two sentences with the mouse, right-click, and select 'search'.

So you are not even pretending to hide that confirmation bias?

Let us do an experiment to demonstrate. Search for "Are aliens real? Of course they are."

How about "Is Obama a muslim? Of course he is."

Confirmation bias is a wonderful thing. You can prove anything with it!

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (4, Insightful)

Guy Harris (3803) | about a year ago | (#45266221)

Is the New York Times a liberal newspaper? Of course it is.

Is the new York Times "far left" except in the fever dreams of the far right? Of course it isn't.

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#45266159)

There's not much far-left anything in the US.

Sure there is! Fox News tells us all the time that Obama is a communist and there's a big liberal left-wing conspiracy to oppress them because they hate freedom. Okay... my turn to vomit in my mouth.

But more seriously, the fear here has become palpable. They said "lah-di-dah, airy-fairy view", like it doesn't mean anything, but they're already moving to try and suppress it. How was it that Ghandi put it: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you... ah, but I forget what comes after that!

This is the first public admission that the UK is shitting a fucking brick about Snowden, but you have to read between the lines to spot it.

You know, I've had very little good to say about Snowden, considering him little more than some kid who punked the NSA, then mooned us on his way out the door. But this kind of reaction suggests there's more to the story than I think anyone realizes. Now, I'm not saying Snowden has anything, but the UK is obviously worried that he'll say he does. Snowden has credibility now -- he could turn that on the UK. And the UK and US are very close allies when it comes to intelligence.

The UK may be worried that it's staunch defense of the US is about to kick of a political shitstorm as some yet unidentified new leak surfaces. And real or not, it could seriously harm the UK's credibility. The Obama administration's absolutely terrible way of handling this entire affair has turned some dumb kid into a weapon potentially more damaging to the UK than a few hundred drone strikes.

If I were the PM, I'd be fucking livid right now with Obama.

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (1, Insightful)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about a year ago | (#45266169)

There isn't much "far-left" anything in the world except for couple of wacko countries. Far left in the old sense have lost the battle of ideas so thoroughly and so humiliatingly with the end of the cold war that nobody in the right mind would take them seriously. What the GP means is that majority of the US press leans to the left within the context of the US political spectrum, which is certainly true.

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266005)

And that's different from the far-left government-lapdog U.S. press how, exactly?

Funny, I seem to remember better part of 10 years of CNN and Fox parroting everything the administration as if it was true.

When that was happening, I bet you thought they were speaking holy truth, right?

As usual, anybody who jumps to saying "far-left leaning" leans just as far to the right and has their own reality distortion field, and is a hypocrite and a douche about it.

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265951)

A: being critial != being paranoid
B: "even more tightly controlled by.... than" ERRNOEVAL missing argument.

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (1)

siddesu (698447) | about a year ago | (#45266217)

You should not interpret random text in the same way a computer interprets a piece of code. In particular, you should pay more attention to the context. The easiest way for you to do so on /. is to refer to TFS and TFA before you dump core on a stupid question.

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265869)

I live in Finland... the amount of propaganda they spin at RT and in the whole of the staterun media (there isn't anything else left) is amazing. They even have their own finnish puppet [wikipedia.org] to comment on every story, to give lectures at putin youth camps and even work as an election monitor in Abhasia, the occupied part of Georgia.

It's some scary shit that's going on east of the border and it just seems to be getting worse.

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about a year ago | (#45265875)

And a stopped clock is right twice daily.

Seriously, how about some links so we can see how "right" they were?

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (5, Informative)

ulatekh (775985) | about a year ago | (#45266015)

Why, too lazy to look it up yourself [google.com] ?

Here's one: NSA whistleblowers: Government spying on every single American [rt.com]

A full year before Edward Snowden.

I remember showing that article to some friends of mine, people who were deeply involved with government work. They laughed at me and called me paranoid and gullible. Sure sucks when the tinfoil-hat crowd is right.

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (5, Insightful)

Guppy06 (410832) | about a year ago | (#45266023)

Why, too lazy to look it up yourself [google.com] ?

Because searching Russia Today for the evils of the US government is like searching Fox News for the evils of the Democratic Party.

Re:Russian Times to the rescue (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about a year ago | (#45266205)

Russia Today is a propaganda outlet of the Russian government.

Puppet strings (5, Insightful)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about a year ago | (#45265697)

Wonder how much pressure the PM is getting from Washington?

Re:Puppet strings (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265707)

This has nothing to do about the master of puppets but more to do about allegiances and alliances. This shit is coming out, whether anyone likes it or not.

Re:Puppet strings (4, Insightful)

Kazoo the Clown (644526) | about a year ago | (#45265783)

It's EXACTLY what they deserve. And what do they do, act like the arrogant a$$holes, for all to see. You know we can hear you, right? LOL! If they had any brains they'd make a spectacle of firing Clapper and Alexander for being so incompetent as to allow themselves to be pwned by a Snowden. Then they could claim "problem solved", "mission accomplished" and all that at least. But no, they'd rather make a permanent enemy of all the decent journalists in the world. War on Journalism, that's what this is, plain and simple.

Then they came for me... (5, Insightful)

ulatekh (775985) | about a year ago | (#45265937)

First the government abused foreigners, and the press did nothing.

Then the government started abusing its own citizens, and the press did nothing.

Then the government started abusing the press...

Re:Puppet strings (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#45266097)

they'd rather make a permanent enemy of all the decent journalists in the world

Unfortunately with the current low point in the world market for decent journalism, all of them have been forced to live together in a shared apartment in Idaho.

Re:Puppet strings (2)

Kazoo the Clown (644526) | about a year ago | (#45265717)

Probably doesn't need any pressure, only to find out that some of his own dirty laundry is in the mix just waiting to be aired. My heart bleeds.

Re:Puppet strings (1)

ruir (2709173) | about a year ago | (#45265729)

It is not pressure, the UK is pleased to do back bending to the US all the time.

Re:Puppet strings (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265735)

My guess is you are correct. It's nonsense, of course, but if he wants help... Plus, the UK was a HUGE supplier of data to the U.S...or maybe he's hoping that people didn't notice that, especially if he is seen as someone who is against the giving away that information. Or maybe he's worried about what it says about him?

Re:Puppet strings (1)

timeOday (582209) | about a year ago | (#45265745)

I wonder too, since so far Obama administration has done hardly anything to stop or recriminate against the leaks, at least publicly.

Re:Puppet strings (2)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#45265797)

Obama did vote 'yes' for PATRIOT after all..and he renewed its provisions as president.

Re:Puppet strings (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#45265837)

What can the US do? Send a "crew" into Russia and hand Russia a PR victory if successful or if caught?
Its win win for Russia and they know not to touch any of the 'gifted' material too.

Re:Puppet strings (1)

OzPeter (195038) | about a year ago | (#45265839)

Wonder how much pressure the PM is getting from Washington?

No no no .. don't you know how a ventriloquists dummy is operated? I'll give you a hint, the TSA has been practicing how to control the US population using the same manner.

[OT] Puppet strings (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year ago | (#45265977)

Wonder how much pressure the PM is getting from Washington?

About strings... maybe "tension" or "pull" instead of pressure? (imagine one trying to push a piece of string)

Re:[OT] Puppet strings (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266053)

Wonder how much pressure the PM is getting from Washington?

About strings... maybe "tension" or "pull" instead of pressure? (imagine one trying to push a piece of string)

You like anal I see. Or at least being anal. Did I phrase that perfectly enough?

Re:Puppet strings (-1, Troll)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#45266083)

how much pressure the PM is getting from Washington?

Well .. Obama is a black man. I'm not saying that all of the stereotypes are true, but where there's smoke..

Re:Puppet strings (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266235)

.... and/or is there some nasty UK bits about to be released?

UK Prime Minister Threatens to hide what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265713)

Really, how much does the UK have to hide? There must be something they want to hide, or we (the US) are just forcing them. Either way, its pathetic, and doomed to fail on their part. If you manage to stop the UK newspapers, all you will accomplish is to lower those newspaper's value, it won't hide the information from anyone.

Re:UK Prime Minister Threatens to hide what? (3, Insightful)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#45265801)

Mostly POW issues from Iraq, the legality of wars, the use of the SAS, black sites and select not so legal weapons sales going back decades.
There is also a lot of MI6/MI5/SAS/FBI views on weapons shipments via the USA old news from the Ireland years.
Domestic surveillance is well understood by the UK press so the 'block' would be over much more interesting stories.
The UK could not stop the US press in the 1930's on UK domestic news. In 2013 the UK gov wants to try again?

Re:UK Prime Minister Threatens to hide what? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266103)

"select not so legal weapons sales"

I do not know what you are talking about, they are not jet fighters we sold to Indonesia, they had two seats and are therefore trainers. It was only the sale of weapons that were banned and the sale of training aids... etc. etc. etc.

I am Jack's... (5, Funny)

Jody Bruchon (3404363) | about a year ago | (#45265719)

...complete lack of surprise.

Let Cameron Die By His Own Drunken Hand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265725)

'Nough Said Dano. Case Closed. Move Along. Nothing Here.

Reminds me of Canada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265737)

While Paul Bernardo was being tried information about the girls he tortured and killed was kept gagged for newspapers in Canada. In the US, of course, it was published legally. Canadians crossed the border and bought whatever rag had it on the front page and simply brought the newspaper back over the border and passed it around the office.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo#Publication_ban

Nowadays you don't even have to go through that amount of difficulty. What a giant waste of time.

Can he block lady Gaga too in the mix and X-Factor (0)

ruir (2709173) | about a year ago | (#45265739)

Please, please. I don't care about politics, but would be his much greater fan from them on.

PM's talk to the newspapers (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year ago | (#45265749)

The kind of PM talk UK newspapers can expect [theguardian.com]

lah-di-dah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265761)

I feel so airy-fairy about this stuff.

Silencing the Press (4, Interesting)

Phoenix666 (184391) | about a year ago | (#45265771)

So Gen. Alexander releases a propaganda video saying he believes the journalists releasing the stories ought to be silenced, and now the UK is echoing that? It seems to me that we are well on our way to the point of no return.

Re:Silencing the Press (2)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#45265941)

Yes MI6 and SAS teams on the ground world wide "hunting" the free press with help from the GCHQ? Did that work out well for the East Germans and KGB vs their dissents in the free West?
Did the truth just stop with each successful mission from the Soviet Union?
Any day in open court will be a joke as the UK gov is forced to admit the material is 100% real and very admissible.
A closed UK court is even more of a joke - then the legal reform starts and more material leaks in protest.
One member of the UK press is legally disappered for 20 years as a warning? Sealed court case, all the UK court staff have clearances :) Its a real powerful win until the Hollywood movie and new leaks
Did the truth just stop with each court case in 1960's South Africa?
Soviet option...closed court or show trial ...

Re:Silencing the Press (2)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#45266021)

I'd like to see them try shutting up the press. Can you imagine what will happen if Fox News goes off the air and all of those angry, gun-owning citizens suddenly have a lot more free time in their lives?

Re:Silencing the Press (3, Interesting)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year ago | (#45266065)

Alexander and the UK are odd bedfellows, apparently he was a financial supporter of the IRA before Clinton at the urging of Bono)speech starts @2:21 [youtube.com] ) stopped Americans from donating to the IRA. Say what you like a Bono, but it took the balls of an Elephant to make that speech as an Irishman in Boston.

Re:Silencing the Press (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#45266099)

well on our way to the point of no return

what road are you on? I'd like to visit :D

Better to let the bad things out in the open (1)

poity (465672) | about a year ago | (#45265793)

than let people imagine the worst.

Sen. Feinstein (4, Interesting)

Phoenix666 (184391) | about a year ago | (#45265805)

They're reporting this evening Sen. Feinstein is backpedaling on surveillance after defending the NSA's crimes all summer. Did one of her grandchildren chew her out for turning the country into a police state? Or is she so stupid that she hasn't actually paid attention to the issue and its implications til now? Or is it a dodge to deflect the criticism until the public forgets and moves on and all can return to status quo ante?

Honestly, I'm kind of to the point where the situation won't be made right until the people at the NSA responsible for this are in prison, the NSA is dismantled, and everyone in the Whitehouse and Congress are impeached and thrown into the deepest, darkest hole we've got.

Re:Sen. Feinstein (1)

Kazoo the Clown (644526) | about a year ago | (#45265893)

Leave it to a lot of public pressure to see a politician get religion.

Re:Sen. Feinstein (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265909)

They're reporting this evening Sen. Feinstein is backpedaling on surveillance after defending the NSA's crimes all summer. Did one of her grandchildren chew her out for turning the country into a police state? Or is she so stupid that she hasn't actually paid attention to the issue and its implications til now? Or is it a dodge to deflect the criticism until the public forgets and moves on and all can return to status quo ante?

That third one, almost certainly.

Re:Sen. Feinstein (1)

matthewv789 (1803086) | about a year ago | (#45266267)

No, you think far too highly of her. I expect she has her own phone and email conversations with various foreign officials that she doesn't want anyone listening to.

Control of information is power (5, Insightful)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about a year ago | (#45265827)

Over and over governments have fallen and change has been driven when secrets become known. This is because information is the only real source of power. Controlling what information gets out, and what information you have is real power. Any person who has been in government or even a large organization quickly realizes this and those who thrive in these organizations have taken this to heart.

So this is why governments spend so much effort in "massaging" information and are happy to have things kept secret for a hundred different reasons such as "privacy" or "security" but the simple truth is that once the population has this information they now have the power and this is the scariest of all scenarios for people who want power.

As I said, just look at the history of leaks, in the UK you had ministers that were terrible and people wanted them gone, yet they not only stayed but were regularly re-elected because people didn't have the solid information that could sway an electorate. Then the expenses scandal came out with solid information about people lying, cheating, and repairing their moats and in a flash they were gone. Prior to the leak the public was fed a filtered version of the MP expenses. In the US you had Nixon get turfed from office when he lost control of the information. The key being concrete evidence of what was happening in the oval office. The media loves their dueling opinions but people can tell the differences between narrative, opinion, and cold hard facts. I very much doubt these bozos care one iota about the whole protecting the country part of these revelations but they do care about losing their ability to spy on anyone who is making them look bad or getting in the way of their rich friends. And they really hate the fact that these revelations prove them to be liars themselves.

But the worst part for these people is that the media is no longer just a few media barons that they can be clubby with. In years past they may very well have been able to keep a lid on this through that alone. But now the traditional media is no longer local. So even if none of the press in one country runs a story other countries' press cores will and then there are the million micro media sites. They will all run with anything they can get their hands on.

I love it!

Re:Control of information is power (1)

skaralic (676433) | about a year ago | (#45266041)

Power is power.

We all know what this means... (4, Interesting)

hyades1 (1149581) | about a year ago | (#45265847)

I guess it's a pretty good bet that Snowden got hold of something nice and juicy about what Cameron's Tory government has been up to.

I can't help but look forward to the revelation, and wonder exactly how that jumped-up little fascist thinks he's going to prevent people in Britain from finding out. Will they be legally required to go around with their eyes squinted and their fingers in their ears?

This should be fun!

Re:We all know what this means... (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#45266113)

how that jumped-up little fascist thinks he's going to prevent people in Britain from finding out

I think he's 184cm isn't he? That's not such a little fascist, it's more of a fairly sizeable fascist isn't it?

Re:We all know what this means... (1)

hyades1 (1149581) | about a year ago | (#45266171)

You raise a valid point. ;-)

Damnedable units (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266211)

how that jumped-up little fascist thinks he's going to prevent people in Britain from finding out

I think he's 184cm isn't he? That's not such a little fascist, it's more of a fairly sizeable fascist isn't it?

Admit it. 'Six foot fascist' is so much more fun to say than 'one hundred eighty-four centimeter fascist'.

Re:We all know what this means... (2)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year ago | (#45266207)

I'm waiting to find out about Australia, we have some strategically placed US listening stations out in the bush and the US is our BFF. Over the half century I've watched pollys come and go in Oz I've seen a few prospective PM's take the grand tour of the "secret" listening such as Pine Gap, I've noticed some come out looking rather shaken and are never really themselves again after the experience, especially the ones who had previously criticised US policies. Mark Latham is the most striking recent example, except he didn't stop criticising US policy. Suddenly it seemed all of Oz turned against him, ostensibly because of an awkward looking handshake with Howard that somehow proved he was a "thug".

On the rare occasions Latham is mentioned in the media since that time, he's been largely portrayed as deranged and potentially violent. True he hasn't helped his cause with some of the things he has said since leaving politics, but I think he has some pretty good reasons to be bitter.

Re:We all know what this means... (1)

sconeu (64226) | about a year ago | (#45266273)

Can we get an ASBO against Cameron?

A Working Solution for the UK PM Found (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | about a year ago | (#45265863)

In order to block out the singing of the Snowden? Buy a good pair of noise canceling head phones. I just go and micro wave a bag of popcorn. Because lets face it, to say, "I found in on the 'net just doesn't get old."

V for Vendetta, a tad prescient. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265889)

"In a time of necessity, all things are permitted." The gist of the Nazi party, in the mid 1930's.

"In a time of necessity, all things are permitted." The gist of the Tories in England and American Democrats, in the mid 2010's.

Truly these countries have lost there way, when the means to protect The Free World, is the means to shut down The Free World.

If your government shuts down freedom. Shut down your government.

Freedom Forever.

GreekGeek.

Re:V for Vendetta, a tad prescient. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265949)

If the brits could at least have this guy to shut his own fucking uncle fucker's face that'd be a good start.

Also considering the UK are like Europe's cancer.

Dear James Cameron: (2, Insightful)

Entropius (188861) | about a year ago | (#45265905)

Dear James Cameron,

You might ring Barbra Streisand and ask her how this'll work out for you.

Love,
The Internet

Re:Dear James Cameron: (5, Informative)

rmdashrf (1338183) | about a year ago | (#45266017)

Wrong Cameron. The political twat is David, the film-maker is James.

And the free world threatens (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265913)

to block the inbred UK PM from saying any further shit.

Close your ears! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45265967)

Easy. He'll just order everyone in his country to close their ears and turn off their internet! LOL.

Now im curious (1)

lapm (750202) | about a year ago | (#45265969)

Sure makes me wonder what the heck has government of England got it self involved into... Must be something really bad if PM is making threats to news outlets. Personally i'm glad Snowden decided to reveal what e knows. Now we all get to know exactly how much NSA has been spying on us all. Long live the queen, down the PM.

What am I missing? (5, Funny)

wwalker (159341) | about a year ago | (#45265975)

Can someone explain it to me, why US/UK/etc. governments are so freaking afraid of leaks, when apparently it's such a common knowledge that everyone spies on everyone, including their friends and allies?!

Shouldn't it be, if you haven't done anything wrong, you shouldn't be afraid of the truth? Since enemies of any state already assume they are being spied on anyway?

I mean, I can understand if the leaks included real names of agents and informants, or were putting real people in real danger of being killed in some other way. But at this point it's all just about governments lying to the people and each other, and about politicians losing all credibility. Oh, wait, I think I just answered my own question...

Re:What am I missing? (1)

yamum (893083) | about a year ago | (#45266101)

Snowden has proved he has some pretty wicked shit. I'd say the governments are shitting themselves as the best is yet to come.

Re:What am I missing? (3, Insightful)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year ago | (#45266227)

There are no terrorists under Merkel's desk, It's economic espionage, UK/US have been the experts in that field since the end of WW2.

Re:What am I missing? (1)

sconeu (64226) | about a year ago | (#45266263)

I believe the .gov (of your choice) tells us, "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear."

Given that official line, the Us.gov and the UK.gov's reactions are quite telling...

I vote fewer secrets, more freedom (2)

kawabago (551139) | about a year ago | (#45266047)

Of course, it depends on who is counting the votes.

Release it all! (2)

dohzer (867770) | about a year ago | (#45266059)

Why don't they just release the remaining data before the UK implement the block?

How far will they go... (2)

hawkingradiation (1526209) | about a year ago | (#45266061)

so as to feel so defensive about what they have done to dismantle the liberties and freedoms that we all hold dear? Listening to these bureaucrats quip is more than just a nuisance, these guys have power to summon the government to imprison or send a drone to your home. Maybe we should all wait patiently until the whole government collapses. *chill* if that is the only hope we have then that is a scary thought.

Crazy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266081)

We're living in an age where the government wants to know everything about you but you are not allowed to know anything about the government. It's what I would like to call a democrazy.

Re:Crazy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266151)

We're living in an age where the government wants to know everything about you but you are not allowed to know anything about the government. It's what I would like to call a democrazy.

Call it what it is : Tyranny.

just nuke the fuckers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266095)

someone needs to just wipe out america and its little bitch allies

hey germany give it another go, you probably wont look like the bad guys this time... you know what i'm talking about

Needs to be Japan that releases the docs now (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45266149)

The Guardian may be releasing info but they are under pressure by UK authorities and the US, but Japan would have no problem with it because quite honestly they gave the finger to the NSA a few days ago. What will the US do? Wage war against Japan? If they do that then the American people will wage war against its own government. Nobody fucks with Japan (or Canada for that matter). I would say let Canada do it but they are the US's bitch so they can't exactly do anything and plus they are still regulated by the Queen.

re Another Revolution (4, Insightful)

jelizondo (183861) | about a year ago | (#45266155)

More than three hundred years after the Glorious Revolution [wikipedia.org] , the U.K. has a freaking P.M. who thinks is an absolute monarch. Perhaps it is time for another revolution.

Off with his head!

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