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Battlefield 4 DRM Locking Out Part of North America Until EU Release

Soulskill posted about 9 months ago | from the digital-region-management dept.

DRM 312

An anonymous reader writes "On the whole, Battlefield 4 had a reasonable launch. The have clearly learned from their past experiences with Battlefield 3 and, more notably, SimCity. Still, some customers are unable to access the game (until, presumably, October 30th at 7PM EDT, 39 hours after launch) because they are incorrectly flagged by region-locking. Do regional release dates help diminish all the work EA has been putting into Origin with their refund policy and live technical support? Should they just take our money and deliver the service before we change our minds?"

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312 comments

Welcome to the rest of the world (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45275855)

As an aussie, I have to put up with this nonsense all the time (most recently, Rocksmith 2014.) Maybe now that it's happening to them, they might realise that this region-locking stuff is frustrating and annoying, and get rid of it.

I can dream.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (5, Funny)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 9 months ago | (#45275881)

But at least region locking prevented piracy! Oh, wait... http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/9118685/Battlefield_4_Update_1-RELOADED [thepiratebay.sx]

Well, at least a fix is released!

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (3, Informative)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 9 months ago | (#45275887)

Sorry... That was the first patch. The game is here... http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/9114398/Battlefield_4-RELOADED [thepiratebay.sx]

How is that DRM supposed to work again?

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276015)

It's the digital equivalent of "No good deed goes unpunished." Honest, hardworking people are losers. Losers take it in the ass from Winners. Anyone that does not fit into either of those categories is a criminal of some sort.

Re: Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276943)

It is supposed to hinder joe schmoe to take his bought copy and make new copies and give to his friends.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45275999)

But at least region locking prevented piracy! Oh, wait... http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/9118685/Battlefield_4_Update_1-RELOADED [thepiratebay.sx] Well, at least a fix is released!

I pirated before but used to be sympathetic to arguments against piracy. This control-freak micromanagement bullshit makes me GLAD AND HAPPY to pirate. The more they do it, the more I bypass their control. What was that old saying about a handful of sand, the tighter you grip it the more of it slips through your fingers? Yeah. How many MBAs and lawyers does it take to figure out something so simple anyway?

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1, Insightful)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276189)

Yeah, when people don't act the way I want them to act I feel justified in stealing from them too. You know another way to "bypass their control"? Ignore their fucking games. Apparently they still control you enough to make you desire their products so badly.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276219)

I feel justified in stealing from them too.

In this case, it's copyright infringement (which isn't legally equivalent to stealing).

Ignore their fucking games.

I actually think that's a good idea. People shouldn't be using this proprietary junk.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276341)

In this case, it's copyright infringement (which isn't legally equivalent to stealing).

I'm so tired of hearing this parroted. Yes; we know it is legally defined as copyright infringement. We have been associating the idea of copying something that isn't ours to take as theft long before digital content was even an idea and copyright infringement became a widespread problem. Phrases like "you stole my work" being a prime example of longstanding usage of the concept. Stop getting so hung up over the literal meaning of the word when you know exactly what we're referring to. It's pedanticism at its worst.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276441)

Phrases like "you stole my work" being a prime example of longstanding usage of the concept.

You're talking about a legal matter here; you should refer to it as what it actually is: copyright infringement. Not doing so also causes confusion with people who don't understand copyright.

Use proper terminology and this won't even be a problem.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276759)

Stop getting so hung up over the literal meaning of the word when you know exactly what we're referring to. It's pedanticism at its worst.

It's not mere pedantry. The difference isn't equivocal or superficial; making a copy of a thing is fundamentally different from taking it away from another. An idea or expression is only "yours" until you share it with the world; the fact that the law protects right-to-copy and physical property doesn't make them equivalent.

For those who need a refresher: Copying is Not Theft [youtube.com]

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276251)

Welcome to the entitlement generation.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (4, Insightful)

sI4shd0rk (3402769) | about 9 months ago | (#45276309)

They've always been around. They're the ones who believe they're entitled to government-enforced monopolies over ideas.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 9 months ago | (#45276319)

The pirates aren't the only entitled ones you know. They're responding to the entitled attitudes of the developers who think licensing is a justification for abuse.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276437)

Have you ever heard the expression "two wrongs don't make a right"? It's consumer entertainment. It's not food or shelter. You can afford to take the principled stand of simply not consuming it.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276565)

"two wrongs don't make a right" only makes sense in this context if you believe that copyright infringement is wrong.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276617)

Most people do. There's a huge gulf between returning to Constitutional copyright periods and abolishing it entirely. You're free not to, but it has a pretty strong case and a critical analysis is well outside the scope of a Slashdot comment.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276689)

To all these people arguing as to why or why not pirate the game giving their justifications and whatnot...

When I see a game I like, I want to play that game.
Regardless of who made it, why they made it, how well they made it, what they did to circumvent people from stealing and so on...

I want to play a game because I'm interested in playing that game.

I pirate the game simply because I can.

When I can't, I won't, simply because I can't.

Let the developers think of ways to stop us, and let the people who are really against DRM (and/or whatever other phrases for piracy control there are and will be) try and find ways to circumvent it. I won't, but I know that most likely someone will, and when they do and it's for a game I like, I'll use the "crackers" software to use the developers software. Because I can.

It's not entitlement. It's within my power to do so, so I do it. I'm not expecting it to always be available, nor do I say I deserve the ability to do it.

Call it being selfish if you want. I couldn't care less because in the real world I'm probably one of the most selfless people I know.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1, Insightful)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276717)

Someone whose actions are constrained not by ethics or morals but instead by what he can get away with is what we call a sociopath.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276825)

I didn't say all of my actions.

I can get away with stealing from my family and friends, but I don't.
I can get away with stealing from associates at work and classmates at school, but I don't.

I can get away with not answering the phone when someone needs me but it would inconvenience me, but I don't.

There's a difference.

Just because I pirate because I can doesn't mean I'll kill someone if I had the opportunity to get away with it and benefit tenfold.

The subject is software piracy, let's keep it at that.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276843)

It sure as hell doesn't make you a paragon of selflessness.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276847)

To clarify, I empathize with people.
I do not feel empathy when I'm sitting at my computer clicking a link to download a torrent of a game made by...EA, for example.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276867)

Would you feel empathy pirating a game from a small studio who specifically talks about how piracy harms them? Because I'm not seeing any difference. Hell small studios struggle to keep people employed no matter what, large studios whose games fail have no problems laying off swaths of people.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276945)

Yes.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276985)

That's why some of the biggest Pirates I know, work for those Game Studios?

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276989)

[x] Loves video games
[x] Loves the anonymity the internet provides
[x] Feels no empathy towards others online nor towards people once conveniently labeled

Congrats son, you're a perfect recruit for the USAF Drone program! Report to your local briefing station at once!

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276793)

Have you ever heard the expression "Step up so others won’t get stepped on"?

It's not merely "consumer entertainment". Its about where customers stand in this new digital world. A LOT of customers took the principled stand of simply not purchasing DRM-laced products in the last decade and the entertainment industry reacted by mass suing the public. This is the same entertainment industry that forced a 12 year old to sign a settlement agreement and went ahead with an attempt to sue a dead person after being mailed a copy of their death certificate by the surviving family.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276833)

Have you ever heard the expression "Step up so others won’t get stepped on"?

Yes, it's a slogan commonly used in anti-bullying campaigns. You know, something that is an actual problem. Using it to justify piracy is pretty shitty.

A LOT of customers took the principled stand of simply not purchasing DRM-laced products in the last decade and the entertainment industry reacted by mass suing the public.

Really? People were sued for simply not buying a product? Or were they sued for not buying a product and "acquiring" it anyway? Pirating a product does not make you some sort of hero of civil disobedience. It makes you pirate. Standing up to practices you consider unfair by refusing to buy or use products from companies that engage in that behavior, a practice that at least requires an actual sacrifice on your part, makes you an admirable, principled person.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Uberbah (647458) | about 9 months ago | (#45276303)

Yeah, when people don't act the way I want them to act I feel justified in stealing from them too.

Not theft, fuckwit. Copyright infringement. You do understand that drunk driving is still against the law even though people don't call it rape, right? Right?

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276339)

I''m sorry I hurt your feelings by mislabeling your shitty act as a different shitty act. Luckily I'm not a law expert and I have people like you to make sure we know exactly how to label their shitty behavior.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (4, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | about 9 months ago | (#45276477)

The primary difference is that theft implies you're taking something away, when the most likely reality is that they are just continuing to get what they were never going to get (for whatever reason - because you can, because you disagree with the drm, whatever)

Yes, both are wrong. But there are vastly different levels of wrong, and in this case there's not a small difference in level. You should at least acknowledge that, even if you don't believe it excuses the behavior.

Well, unless you're one of those crazies who thinks jaywalkers deserve prison sentences - but I don't think you are.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (-1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276579)

Oh I'm fully aware that there's a difference. The thing is, we're talking about computer games. Declaring that you deserve to play a computer game and fuck the people who made it is a pretty shitty thing. I have more sympathy for a drug addict who steals to support their habit than I would for that guy. I think that the reasons you do something wrong are important. "Just because :I want it" is a pretty sociopathic thing to say.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Uberbah (647458) | about 9 months ago | (#45276485)

I'm sorry you're butthurt when someone points the asininity of repeating the most debunked apples-to-oranges comparison in the history of the human race.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (-1, Flamebait)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276583)

I just like watching shitbags get worked up when I mislabel their sociopathy as some other type of sociopathy that they consider more wrong. You know, because being a rapist would be okay as long as I don't accidentally call you a child rapist.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Uberbah (647458) | about 9 months ago | (#45276979)

Is your head filled with human excrement, or dog excrement? Those of us with a higher intelligence than pond scum have no problems keeping separate terms for entirely separate concepts, separate. Rape is still wrong, even though we don't call it cannibalism. Just how stupid are you, really?

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276381)

"Yeah, when people don't act the way I want them to act I feel justified in making a perfect copy of what they have, leaving them with the original."
Fixed that for you.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (-1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276421)

Yes, you're very original. Now can you use your thinking and critical evaluation skills to the point out the problem with doing that?

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276577)

Errr... stealing? No I'm not going to make a distinction on semantics, what I'm going to point out is the BLEEDINGLY OBVIOUS: THEY PAID FOR THIS PRODUCT.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276629)

Read the post I was replying to.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (5, Interesting)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 9 months ago | (#45276613)

You totally missed every little bit of my point. (And no, it has nothing to do with you not understand terms like theft vs infringement.)

The entire fucking point of DRM is to prevent piracy. It prevented it not at all. The pirated copy is out before the legal copy for much of the world. However, it did massively inconvenience many paying customers. People pirate for lots of reasons; It is free, it is not supporting "the man," it is "l337!" But there is one other big reason now; The pirated version is a superior product! I know lots of people who buy a game, has trouble installing, and then get the pirated version so they can play. It doesn't take much of that before they just skip the painful step of bothering with the legal copy...

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1, Interesting)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276671)

Don't buy such a shitty product then. That doesn't mean pirating it is now okay. I think a lot of companies make really shitty products. I avoid those companies.

If you bought a copy, found iout ater it had huge problems and a pirate copy is the only way to get a usable product, then go for it. You bought it and can do what you want. But that's totally different than pirating it from the get go simply because it has DRM and you don't like that.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (4, Insightful)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 9 months ago | (#45276705)

If you bought a copy, found iout ater it had huge problems and a pirate copy is the only way to get a usable product, then go for it. You bought it and can do what you want. But that's totally different than pirating it from the get go simply because it has DRM and you don't like that.

And after doing this a few times, wouldn't a reasonable and intelegent person just skip the first step that they knew would only cause frustration?

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1, Insightful)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276733)

No, as a reasonable and intelligent person I avoid that company's products.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45277001)

It's not 'stealing' if you hire marketers to lie to everyone and then take what you want...

Big companies taught me that. It must be true. They wouldn't lie to me.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (1)

Atomic Fro (150394) | about 9 months ago | (#45276331)

I know it from how the princess says it: http://youtu.be/-wntX-a3jSY [slashdot.org] >"The more you tighten your grip, Tark, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276549)

I don't understand how people think this makes sense. "I don't like what you're doing so I'm going to take your work anyway and deprive you of payment. That'll show you!"

You're not sending the message you think you're sending. To them all they see is Pirate #23948 who is too cheap to pay for his entertainment. All this self-righteous "Your DRM displeases me so I'll just download your game instead!" is just noise to them, an excuse you will parrot because you're really just too cheap to pony up. When studio after studio, large and small, dabbles and DRM-free and gets piracy numbers in line with their original expectations, they have no incentive to go DRM free.

So, congrats, I guess. Keep downloading their games and continue being a slave to their work while sending them the wrong message. Meanwhile those of us with any self respect and restraint will avoid their products altogether.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276883)

> You're not sending the message you think you're sending.

What, "fuck you"? That seems like it got through loud and clear.

> To them all they see is Pirate #23948 who is too cheap to pay for his entertainment.

Right, so they shit on their paying customers to get even with those dirty pirates... they need to focus on getting people to want to buy the game, and making it a pain in the ass to buy/install/play is NOT the way to do it!

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276983)

What, "fuck you"? That seems like it got through loud and clear.

You're not saying "fuck you" to them. You're just quietly downloading their game. Unless you think they scour slashdot looking for your personal rationale.

Re:Welcome to the rest of the world (5, Informative)

crafty.munchkin (1220528) | about 9 months ago | (#45276637)

Meanwhile, a lot of other Aussies (myself included) have used VPN services to activate and play the game yesterday and today... as well as using them to avoid paying the 50% Australia tax! ;)

gnaa (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45275863)

woot ! first post ! GNAA forever.

EA is an ethically bankrupt company... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45275875)

...that doesn't give one solitary shred of a damn about its customers. News at 11.

Re:EA is an ethically bankrupt company... (1)

causality (777677) | about 9 months ago | (#45276051)

...that doesn't give one solitary shred of a damn about its customers. News at 11.

The only reason a large enterprise gives a damn about its customers is because they believe it is more profitable to be seen doing so. If they believe they can profit without bothering, the expense of doing so will be dispensed with.

Giving a damn about your fellow human beings, how you are treating them, what that says about who you are and which ideals you represent, and what kind of world it helps to build one baby step at a time ... well, these humanizing things don't scale nearly as well as do organizations and top-down implementations.

People may say "well it's just a game" because they don't appreciate the full effect of the massive acceptance and endorsement of the business practices creating said game. When large numbers tolerate this and reward it with money (the language and lifeblood of corporations), it becomes much more than just a game. It becomes a precedent.

It could make sense (2)

manu0601 (2221348) | about 9 months ago | (#45275893)

Is there an official reason for regionally differed releases? I could see a valid one: Spear first-day server load on several periods. Obamacare website has shown it can be important.

Re:It could make sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45275923)

Oh please, a shitty government website is a lousy metric by which to compare anything created by an intern at a gaming company, let alone a production server. I don't think you understand what money sinks are for.

Re:It could make sense (2)

Pinhedd (1661735) | about 9 months ago | (#45275989)

It's to stagger the load increase on the battlelog backend so that they can address loading issues hour by hour without the whole system crashing. There's still a few bugs to work out but by and large the launch has been quite smooth. None of the unusable battlelog features of the BF3 launch.

Re:It could make sense (1)

cheater512 (783349) | about 9 months ago | (#45276167)

Sure release it on different dates, but so what if a EU person did buy a copy from the US? Maybe they were in the US then flew home?
Staggering load doesn't actually explain why they prevent otherwise legit purchases from working.

Re:It could make sense (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 9 months ago | (#45276301)

Is there an official reason for regionally differed releases?

European release dates differ from NA and Asian release dates, and even AUS dates sometimes. Generally, NA/Asian releases are tuesdays, and european are thursday but mostly friday.

As for regionlocking a game out until the confirmed date, EA is hardly the first one to do this too. Blizzard, Ubisoft, Activision, and pretty much everyone else does this if it's a major release as well. Your second point that splitting server nodes helps, it can help a lot.

Re:It could make sense (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 9 months ago | (#45276497)

That does make sense for digital distribution, but in that case it's a copout for building infrastructure to handle the distribution.

However, in this case it's merely a case of continuing the tradition commonly seen with physical distribution (which attracts the same scorn).

You'll play it and you'll like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45275899)

Look - are you really going to give up a game you've been anticipating for months because the turn on date was delayed 2 days? Of course not. You're EA's bitch, and you'll like what they give you, when they decide to give it to you. No significant fraction of hard core gamers are going to completely boycott over a couple of days. And, really, EA knows this.

Go ahead - mod this as Troll, but you know damned well it's true.

Re:You'll play it and you'll like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276049)

Bought BC2 on Steam and was really looking forward to BF3 after all the videos during E3. Then EA made some shit up about Steam/Valve not cooperating with them and the beautiful Origin emerged. What a pile of shit. That invasive, irritating, and completely unnecessary bloated trash was the last straw for me.

Re:You'll play it and you'll like it (1)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | about 9 months ago | (#45276611)

Bought BC2 on Steam and was really looking forward to BF3 after all the videos during E3. Then EA made some shit up about Steam/Valve not cooperating with them and the beautiful Origin emerged. What a pile of shit. That invasive, irritating, and completely unnecessary bloated trash was the last straw for me.

I play BF3 and really enjoyed it. Origin isn't a problem; I open my browser, log into a server, Origin loads,
and after the BF3 icon shows it's loading I shut Origin down. BF3 didn't need Origin to play just load.
With BF4 Origin won't let you close it, and I don't care for that at all.

Re:You'll play it and you'll like it (2)

causality (777677) | about 9 months ago | (#45276067)

Look - are you really going to give up a game you've been anticipating for months

There's something horrifically empty and meaningless about a life in which this or any other form of entertainment would be a really important, high-priority concern.

You're EA's bitch, and you'll like what they give you, when they decide to give it to you.

I would say both the customers and EA are the "bitches" of something far more tragic.

Re:You'll play it and you'll like it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276599)

Yes, more important than the game. Like berating someone else on a forum ABOUT the game. Loser. ;-P

Don't worry about me, I'm back to creating a new Polio Vaccine right after this....

Re:You'll play it and you'll like it (1)

sI4shd0rk (3402769) | about 9 months ago | (#45276235)

That's strange, because I haven't bought any EA games, and yet your post seems to be referring to me.

I am one affected (5, Informative)

ruiner13 (527499) | about 9 months ago | (#45275915)

This seems to be tied to certain ISPs, especially Uverse. They claim they can't verify it is a US IP address, even though I'm in indiana and the IP clearly comes up under a US company's IP block (AT&T). The first EA person actually had the nerve to tell me my ISP programmed the release date wrong. The second one said it would be fixed in an hour. Finally after getting a manager he said they are aware of the problem and can only wait until 7pm tomorrow. I asked why don't they just completely remove the lock outs to let people play the game they paid for, acknowledging that some regions may get early access. That was "impossible". I bet people pirating the game are playing just fine, I feel like a fool for parting with $100 for the deluxe edition. Not buying another EA game. Some have suggested using a VPN service to somewhere else in North America that the Origin virus can verify you to North America properly. Silly...

Re:I am one affected (1)

Pinhedd (1661735) | about 9 months ago | (#45275995)

Oh yeah I'm sure that the pirates are enjoying the lovely single player campaign as we speak

Re:I am one affected (4, Interesting)

JWSmythe (446288) | about 9 months ago | (#45276129)

I happen to like single player campaigns. No stupid kids playing spawn-shoot-suicide-repeat.

Re:I am one affected (5, Informative)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about 9 months ago | (#45276019)

You buy from EA, you get what you pay for.

Don't want to pay to be treated like shit? Don't buy from EA.

It's been that way for years. Why are people acting suprised?

Re:I am one affected (2)

blahplusplus (757119) | about 9 months ago | (#45276821)

"It's been that way for years. Why are people acting surprised?"

Because people are irrational and stupid. Just look at all the morons that bought Diablo 3 giving the green light to 'online only games' f2p, auction house, and SINGLE PLAYER LAG.

We just have too many brainless gaming addicts on planet earth.

Re:I am one affected (1)

QuantumLeaper (607189) | about 9 months ago | (#45277011)

D3 Auction House will be DEAD next year, when the expansion is released.

Re:I am one affected (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 9 months ago | (#45276223)

As a gamedev: Stop leasing games, you fool.

Re:I am one affected (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276265)

I feel like a fool for parting with $100 for the deluxe edition. Not buying another EA game.

I keep hearing this but people keep buying all the damn games and they always seem to make a profit.

Re:I am one affected (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 9 months ago | (#45276655)

If you really feel this way, demand a refund. They will only care if enough people do. But if all they do is bitch, but keep buying, guess what?

Deminishing returns on "fun" (1)

keith_nt4 (612247) | about 9 months ago | (#45275975)

I realized i'm talking to the "the source becomes the documentation" (yes, that was an actual slashdot comment) crowd here but it seems like if you wanted to play a computer game enough you bought it at launch for the benefit of having fun and it's really this much time and effort at some point you have to see some diminishing returns on this. I mean more time and effort trying get it and get it to work than it's worth. Keeping in mind I've only purchased one game pre-launch in the past ten years (Skyrim) so maybe I just "don't get it" but seriously... screw EA and their stupid game roll out schedule/DRM. Play something else. The new Rise of the Triad looks cool...
Seems clear EA doesn't really want your money...

Re:Deminishing returns on "fun" (2)

Khyber (864651) | about 9 months ago | (#45276039)

The new RoTT blows away BattleField and Cal of Duty left and fucking right. A real soundtrack, real choice of character, awesome weaponry..... And people wonder why I still play old games like Doom/Heretic with the new mods. These older than dirt games kick the pants off of newer games.

Re:Deminishing returns on "fun" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276405)

The new RoTT blows away BattleField and Cal of Duty ... These older than dirt games kick the pants off of newer games.

Damn right dude, those were good times!

Rise of the Triad [3drealms.com]

    SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

        386DX/40 Computer (486DX2/66 strongly recommended)
        4 meg of free memory (An 8 meg machine is strongly recommended)
        Local Bus Video strongly recommended
        16550 Serial Port strongly recommended for modem play
        8.5 meg of Hard Drive Space (for shareware)
        20.0 meg of Hard Drive Space (for registered)

Wow - Seems a shame to waste a whole RaspberryPi on it, but I guess you need the extra grunt to do the x86 emulation in software ..

LOL - well paint me silly;
    Rise of the Triad – Raspberry Pi Edition [honkeykong.org]

Re:Deminishing returns on "fun" (1)

causality (777677) | about 9 months ago | (#45276103)

Keeping in mind I've only purchased one game pre-launch in the past ten years (Skyrim) so maybe I just "don't get it"

Actually in all the ways that truly matter, that's a sign that you really do "get it". Something so frivolous as commercial amusement should never become so important. The real danger is that companies other than EA may really get this right, make such idolatry comfortable, meaning that the dangers of such horribly faulty priorities in life may never be noticed by those who didn't already understand them.

Re:Deminishing returns on "fun" (1)

keith_nt4 (612247) | about 9 months ago | (#45276487)

Well I hadn't really intended to go all philosophical with it. I was just trying to say I don't get the appeal of owning the latest hot game on the day it's released. I know people well into their thirties who still pre-order all the latest games and stand in line at the game stop to get it day one. That's what I don't get. The point of that. Maybe the mutli-player of the various Call of Duties etc drops over time so you have to get it day one to have the most fun via the largest pool of other players. Also with playing with friends. That's the only reason I can think of.

Personally I don't mind waiting anywhere between two months and 3 years to get a game. The bugs and glitches have to be worked out anyway. Could have said the same for skyrim (I remember the PS3 version at launch wouldn't even play at all). In 18 months will anyone remember the initial problems plaguing the BF4 launch? Will anyone care? Will it be any less fun knowing the there were launch difficulties?

Not on Steam? (2)

Megor1 (621918) | about 9 months ago | (#45276063)

I checked and it's not on Steam, same with Battlefield 3, looks like EA is trying to force that Origin crap down on people, oh well one less sale for them.

Re:Not on Steam? (2)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276209)

EA very publicly pulled out of Steam in 2011, this isn't exactly breaking news.

Re:Not on Steam? (1)

bloodhawk (813939) | about 9 months ago | (#45276409)

yep pulling out of steam was the intelligent bit, shame they then try to force an even worse version of steam down gamers throats.

Re:Not on Steam? (1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276457)

They didn't pull out of Steam over any sort of philosophical disagreement, they did it because they wanted all of the pie.

Re:Not on Steam? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 9 months ago | (#45276537)

... and now they get none of it (from me.)

Re:Not on Steam? (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | about 9 months ago | (#45276685)

They didn't pull out of Steam over any sort of philosophical disagreement, they did it because they wanted all of the pie.

But I don't like shit pie...

Re:Not on Steam? (1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276741)

Then don't order it?

take your money (2)

jamesh (87723) | about 9 months ago | (#45276075)

"Shut up and take your money" sounds like a reasonable business plan to me.

What is the point of regional releases? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276233)

And I'm not trying to troll or in general be a jerk. I simply do not understand the purpose of region locking software like this. I don't see an upside for the company - even a perceived one - and it only seems to unfairly punish end users that happen to live in some other country. Can someone explain the thinking to me?

Re:What is the point of regional releases? (0)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276393)

Usually it's because of agreements with different publishers in different regions. Publishers are used to fixed release days. Tuesday in the US, Monday in the UK and France and Friday in Germany for example. Digital has changed all this, with publishers releasing whenever they want. The problem is that physical releases are still on those fixed days. So if a game isn't coming out until Friday in Germany, but it's out on Tuesday in the US people are going to just buy it digitally. This makes the local publisher, who takes a cut of the sales from the region, angry. Releases are region restricted to prevent that.

Re:What is the point of regional releases? (2)

X0563511 (793323) | about 9 months ago | (#45276543)

Which doesn't make any sense in this context, given that EA is both the development house and the publisher.

Re:What is the point of regional releases? (1)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 9 months ago | (#45276693)

No it makes sense because they're still selling boxed copies. Retailers in countries with release dates after the US digital release would be pissed if the US digital release was available before they even got copies in their stores. Physical retailers are becoming less relevant, but at the moment they're still not worth pissing off.

Re:What is the point of regional releases? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276473)

It can't be only because of retailers because on the pre-Internet era region locking was already a thing. My best guess it's a left-over trait from when Asia/Russia produced a lot of pirated copies (maybe they still do, but little of it is imported). Now that everything is digital once you release it to more than a hundred or so people it's on TPB so even if it was ever useful, and I'm not sure it was, now it only gives everyone but the US one more reason to pirate. Still, only a insane executive wouldn't do it - if he releases at the same day everywhere when the torrent reaches the bay he'll take the blame for not doing like everyone else.

Re:What is the point of regional releases? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45276751)

It can't be only because of retailers because on the pre-Internet era region locking was already a thing. My best guess it's a left-over trait from when Asia/Russia produced a lot of pirated copies (maybe they still do, but little of it is imported). Now that everything is digital once you release it to more than a hundred or so people it's on TPB so even if it was ever useful, and I'm not sure it was, now it only gives everyone but the US one more reason to pirate. Still, only a insane executive wouldn't do it - if he releases at the same day everywhere when the torrent reaches the bay he'll take the blame for not doing like everyone else.

PC games were never region locked. It's a bullshit trend that started in the last few years with the massification of the internet.

Re:What is the point of regional releases? (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about 9 months ago | (#45276663)

It may go back to the days of film, music (physical, expensive and had to be copied) .
So you had the heavy lifting of regional languages, fonts, packaging, censorship and media distribution done by locals - say in Canada or UK or Australia or Spain.
e.g. select groups and individuals got very, very rich getting "used" US cinema "film" months later and showing it months later in their region.
They thought this dreamy captured market would go on forever with neat digital legal deals for their regions.
The Australian pay tv vs digital downloads was one example.
http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/14/foxtel-locks-up-game-of-thrones-no-more-fast-tracked-itunes-downloads/ [delimiter.com.au]

i cant believe people still give EA money (1)

maliqua (1316471) | about 9 months ago | (#45276267)

when will you all learn they're ruining PC gaming

Serves them right (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 9 months ago | (#45276397)

Serves them right, for giving EA money!

Taste it (-1, Flamebait)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about 9 months ago | (#45276575)

Taste that EA cock in your mouth. You love it. You got fucked over royally on The Sims but hey why not give them another $60 to have that same cock in your mouth again. Keep coming back you whores.

Re:Taste it (1)

artor3 (1344997) | about 9 months ago | (#45276795)

Whores get paid. If anything, the users are Johns.

BF3 was a real hard act to follow (2)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | about 9 months ago | (#45276703)

but you think they'd try. The keybinds don't work, "Well play with the WASD set-up" you say,
but some of us play with a left handed mouse.

The graphics are great in some cases (you won't hear many people say that) but causes problems.
You get out of the water and a sheet of water flows off of you (part of the realism) and it stops you in your tracks,
All low settings GTX-570. You never know when lag will hit (other than the water) but it sure gets one killed.

B is a key to open a Map, it opens the console, and you have to press ~ to close it. It's like BF3 all over again,
you couldn't reassign the Q key for one. BF3 the chat was in your face, the middle of the screen was where people
typed back and forth, some helpful most calling others names (normal chats), The BF4 map is now in your face;
it takes up the entire screen which you can change the opacity but you can't view the map no matter how transparent
and the action of the game at the same time. (I do that with BF3 the mini map is alway open taking up the bottom left
corner of my monitor, I only play hardcore so the map is the only way you can see people.

BF3 moved the chat to the side, and allowed one to reassign the Q key, the very things that upset people is how BF4 works now.

I'd change the keybinds and it would hang on me, I'd let it be and sometimes I could continue,
other times I had to turn off the power supply, the secret is not to change the jet keys.
The game profile (a text file) is around 100K, mine was 35,000K and had 678961 lines that had the word jet in them.

Copy an pasting BF3's helicopter and jet config lines to the BF4 profile is how I configured my game.

You don't know when you die oddly enough, going along just fine only to find you were killed, it's not
obvious by any means, I don't know if one gets used to that or not, many times I thought I was still in the game.

I could go on, multiplayer is a real mess right now. as mentioned it looks like everything they did wrong with BF3 and patched out,
is how BF4 was released.

What?! (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 9 months ago | (#45276927)

"Should they just take our money and deliver the service before we change our minds?"
'we' who? I'll buy an EA game when hell freezes over. They beat Bank of America for worst company on the planet.
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