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Sony Issues Detailed PS4 FAQ Ahead of Launch

timothy posted about a year ago | from the setting-expectations dept.

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Sockatume writes "Sony has released a detailed FAQ for the PS4 system, which launches in coming weeks. Of particular note: although Bluetooth headsets will not be compatible, generic 3.5mm and USB audio devices will work; the console will require activation via the internet or a special disk before it will play Blu-ray or DVDs; media servers, MP3s, and audio CDs are not supported. The console's "suspend/resume" and remote assistance features are listed as unavailable for the North American launch, implying that they will be patched in before the console launches in Europe later in November."

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Don't be assholes Sony! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290557)

Give me Linux back or fuck off!

- Not sent from an iPhone

Re:Don't be assholes Sony! (-1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about a year ago | (#45290605)

lol no one can use Linux untill Sony gives it back. They took Linux and put it in a box. Untill they give it back servers will have to run on windows. Android will use Unix kernal. OPEN UP THE BOX SONY!!!!

Re:Don't be assholes Sony! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45291157)

PS4 runs FreeBSD.....

Tax Dodge! Ligitimate reason. (2)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#45290813)

Give me Linux back or fuck off!

- Not sent from an iPhone

Ironically the main reason for Linux on the PS3 (and the PS2) was the fact that Sony paid less tax on it in Europe. It is something I agreed with. Ironically this generation would make a killer desktop machine, or even homework computer for student. If you do care and are not say advocating an alternative console out of some strange fanaticism, contact your local MP or equivalent. Although at last count I see about 8 Linux consoles....I own two.

If you want Linux instead of Sony (3, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45290887)

Give me Linux back or f off!

Now that alternatives have appeared, it's that much easier to tell Sony Computer Entertainment to f off. OUYA runs Android, which uses the Linux kernel. The forthcoming Steam Machine from Valve runs SteamOS, a distribution of GNU/Linux.

Re:If you want Linux instead of Sony (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290969)

Why did you censor my post? Are you some Puritan ninny who can't handle swearing?

Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!

hurry up (1)

watcher-rv4 (2712547) | about a year ago | (#45290595)

Good one Sony, building an airplane in flight.

I am from Brazil... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290623)

R$ 4,000? (aka US$ 1,817)

Miami here I come!

Brazil charges prohibitive import duty (3, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45290903)

As I understand it, the majority of the price of a PlayStation 4 console in Brazil is import duty paid to the government of Brazil. What you need to do to get the price reduced in Brazil is elect a legislature that raises the government's operating budget other than through prohibitive import duties.

Re:Brazil charges prohibitive import duty (2, Interesting)

Sockatume (732728) | about a year ago | (#45291209)

Yes, traditionally Sony, Apple etc. have actually opened factories to make the devices in Brazil because it's better for their bottom line than expecting customers to spend the import levy.

Re:I am from Brazil... (1)

Jethro (14165) | about a year ago | (#45291333)

I flew to Brazil earlier this year... there were a LOT of electronics in the overhead compartments...

No media server support upsets me (5, Interesting)

CokoBWare (584686) | about a year ago | (#45290635)

So I was excited to buy a PS4 until they announced no media server support. Same with XBone. I guess I'm just one of those guys who will stay with his PS3 for the forseeable future...

I know why they made that choice, but it doesn't service the customers who put their media library on a server instead of on disc.

Re:No media server support upsets me (2)

somersault (912633) | about a year ago | (#45290681)

I had a PS4 pre-order for a while. I cancelled it because likely all the games I enjoy will be out on PS3 for a good while anyway. And while AC4 does look very pretty on PS4, it's "good enough" for me on PS3 right now. I'll probably get a PS4 once it comes down to around 250GBP.

While I rarely do it, I did actually play an audio CD on my PS3 last week too. Alongside my desktop PC, it's the only device in my house that can play them now.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

Doug Otto (2821601) | about a year ago | (#45290733)

What is this "audio CD" of which you speak?

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

somersault (912633) | about a year ago | (#45290819)

My flatmate got one along with a "book" on teaching yourself Norwegian. It's kind of like Rosetta Stone, but cheaper and with more dead trees.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#45290891)

What is this "audio CD" of which you speak?

Something old people like me still use as our primary way of buying music.

I still trawl through the CDs in the store to buy most of mine. I've discovered more music by looking for specific record labels or just looking through one of several sections to see if there's anything shiny in there. I've discovered a lot of great music that way.

Every now and then when I'm on a trip I'm lucky enough to find one of the really huge music stores which has just tons of stuff I'm interested in. On those days I'll drop a few hundred bucks on CDs.

Granted, the CD gets used for the first play and then gets ripped and shelved for storage.

For some of us, we still like picking out physical CDs in the store and actually owning something tangible.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45291047)

If you just rip them why not buy the songs on amazon as mp3s and back them up yourself? If you wanted to be really hipster you could even back them up to CDs.

CD defined (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45290965)

Compact Disc Digital Audio is a lossless audio format introduced in the 1980s. Each disc 120 mm in diameter (the size of the later DVD) stored up to 80 minutes of stereo audio at a sample rate and depth that an adult ear cannot distinguish from any higher sample rate or depth. After the introduction of MP3 format in the late 1990s, people would buy CDs, copy them to computers using a CD-ROM drive, and compress the result to MP3 for later listening in a noisy environment that can get away with lower fidelity. And until the late 2000s when Amazon started selling MP3 downloads, CD was the only way to buy popular music for listening on a computer or pocket device without digital restrictions management.

Re:No media server support upsets me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45291011)

It what non-idiots get their music on so they aren't locked into renting their music. Pretentious douches like yourself wouldn't understand.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45291061)

Since you are a time traveler you really should get some news to take back to your decade.

These days you can buy MP3s without any DRM. No renting at all, just a normal file you can backup or burn or do whatever you like with. Amazon is a big source for those.

Re:No media server support upsets me (3, Funny)

omnichad (1198475) | about a year ago | (#45291051)

It's the hobbyist way to buy MP3/AAC tracks. They come with their own lossless backup.

Re:No media server support upsets me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290795)

No one should be buying this proprietary garbage to begin with. These companies despise openness and users' freedoms.

Re:No media server support upsets me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290825)

That is why I am a PC gamer, nothing like windows freedom. :)

OUYA fizzled (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45290989)

Anonymous Coward wrote:

No one should be buying this proprietary garbage to begin with.

OUYA, a set-top gaming machine positioned as a less-proprietary alternative to the major consoles, sort of fizzled. We'll have to wait to see how Steam Machine, another set-top gaming machine positioned as a less-proprietary alternative to the major consoles, does.

Re:OUYA fizzled (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45291073)

Has it been out long enough to say it fizzled?
It really could never hope to compete in the PS4/Xbone arena anyway. Its hardware is simply not up to the task.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45290709)

Lots of other low power devices make fine media servers.

I don't know why they made that choice, so please enlighten me.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290801)

Because interoperating with and supporting every strange dlna server out there is a bitch.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45290817)

Is the standard that poorly defined?
If that is the case why not select a better one instead of ending all support?

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

barlevg (2111272) | about a year ago | (#45290781)

I'm a firm believer in not getting any new console until you absolutely have to (read: until there's a game you really want to play that's only on that console). If good titles are scarce (::cough:: 3DS ::cough::), it means you get to wait for the price drop / patching / additional features / new version.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | about a year ago | (#45290799)

Yeah, this is pretty bad. Don't get me wrong, I still intend to get a PS4 soon after launch (probably not launch day this time - the fuss and queues trying to get a 360 and Wii at launch are not something I want to repeat) but this is an irritation. Particularly given that the PS3's media streaming functionality was so much better than the 360's.

Of course, the lack of backward compatibility on both the PS4 and the Xbox One means that anybody intending to buy either console will need to hang onto its predecessor unless they're willing to discard their entire games library for it (barring whatever titles are selected for "remastering"). Sadly, said lack of backward compatibility was pretty much inevitable from the day the specs of the 360 and PS3 were announced. If the PC-like architecture of the new systems is going to be the way of the future, then hopefully this is the last time we have to suffer that particular irritation.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45290881)

This is why I have so many consoles still connected. They only get removed when the HTPC can emulate them. I would already have a wii U if it played gamecube games.

I love a new console coming out, it means the old gen games will get very cheap.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about a year ago | (#45291077)

If you got a fast enough HTPC you could get a Wii U. But Dolphin is almost as slow with GC games as it is with Wii games. I keep going back and trying Dolphin and realizing that it's too early.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45291139)

I had the same experience.
My current HTPC is a Core 2 Quad. So either dolphin needs to get better or I need to keep waiting.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#45290937)

Of course, the lack of backward compatibility on both the PS4 and the Xbox One means that anybody intending to buy either console will need to hang onto its predecessor unless they're willing to discard their entire games library for it

Which means for some of us, buying a spare last-gen console and ignoring the new ones is a viable option.

I don't play the latest and greatest games because, well, video games lapped me about 15+ years ago. I also don't play games on-line, so most of the new 'features' don't really interest me.

Which means if I bought a spare XBox 360 and put it on a shelf, I probably get more value out of it than one of the newest consoles.

Halo 2 ended (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45291025)

buying a spare last-gen console and ignoring the new ones

Until you can't play the game anymore because the last gen console's multiplayer servers have been shut down for good. Even Halo 2 ended [slashdot.org] .

Re:Halo 2 ended (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45291093)

Yet another win for PC gaming.

The GP stated he does not play online anyway though. I don't either. Not all of us want to hear racist and homophobic slurs being yelled by children while being accused of hacking simply because we have the attention span to learn how to properly play the game.

Re:Halo 2 ended (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#45291145)

Until you can't play the game anymore because the last gen console's multiplayer servers have been shut down for good.

Which, if you'd read my entire post where I said I don't play games on-line, you wouldn't be suggesting.

For some of us, video games are played alone/with friends in our basement or living room, with no networking involved -- the way it was meant to be done. ;-)

For me (and I realize I'm a relatively smaller minority of gamers), on-line gaming carries absolutely zero appeal. And all of the 'social' aspects (like badges and winning coins and spending real money to get better stuff) is equally meaningless to me.

To me, when I'm in the mood and have time, I'll fire up the video game, play a while, and then turn it off. Driving games, Tiger Woods, Skyrim, the wife's dancing games for the Kinect ... none of these are the kinds of things I want to play against someone on the internet.

My video game console doesn't get connected to the network, and is completely air-gapped. And I can't say I've ever felt I was missing out on anything. In fact, the brief period I had it on-line was enough to convince me that I definitely don't want it.

Re:Halo 2 ended (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45291177)

Mine would be if not for Netflix and Amazon prime.

Video game updates are another reason you might want to connect it. Some games really needed the updates, Bugthesda looking at you here.

Fewer games support split screen (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45291321)

For some of us, video games are played alone/with friends in our basement or living room

And others can't coordinate their schedules to play with friends, so they prefer pickup games with strangers.

with no networking involved

Fewer and fewer games for Microsoft and Sony consoles support split screen multiplayer for two reasons. First, time is money, and supporting both split screen and online splits the effort between optimizing for split screen and optimizing for online. Second, publishers want to sell multiple copies to a household [cracked.com] .

The original Xbox was PC-like (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45291017)

If the PC-like architecture of the new systems is going to be the way of the future, then hopefully this is the last time we have to suffer [lack of back-compat].

The original Xbox was PC-like, with a 733 MHz Celeron and a GeForce 3. Microsoft designed its successor to be less PC-like, using a PowerPC CPU instead of x86, as a cost-cutting measure. Another thing that worries me is reliance on vendors' GPU bugs, something that console games have done for decades and that Mantle is likely to bring to the PC gaming world.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

Apharmd (2640859) | about a year ago | (#45290935)

I feel the same way. DLNA support was something that I thought would become a standard moving forward. Now Sony is yanking it to push people back into using its (overpriced) media storefront. Yuck.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about a year ago | (#45290939)

I find it interesting they are sustaining the physical disk format as it seems to lend its self to being ripped, while a purely digital format could possibly have "better" drm?

Re:No media server support upsets me (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45290995)

That is more about internet access issues.
These games are huge, downloading them for many would either take days or put them over their quota.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45291065)

From the FAQ:

If I rent a game disc, and then decide I want to buy it digitally, can I use the installation to avoid downloading it and just activate my license?
In this example, you would have to delete the disc install data and fully install the digital version of the game.

This means rural dwellers and mobile-only Internet users are locked into discs for yet another generation.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45291117)

Either way that would have been the case.
Who would want to rent the game just for installation?
The disks are typically cheaper than digital sales in the sony store anyway.

Heck, I rather have the disks so that one day I can rip them and emulate the system. Can't do that with the software from the sony store.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#45291099)

I find it interesting they are sustaining the physical disk format as it seems to lend its self to being ripped, while a purely digital format could possibly have "better" drm?

Well, Blu-ray has several protections for that embedded in the disc itself, including identifying marks (what type - factory, BD-R, BD-RE, etc, including ID codes for factory pressed discs identifying the factory and timestamps).

And the last time digital only was suggested, everyone was up in arms, despite several advantages to the physical-assisted digital only stream (e.g., It offered the ability to actually sell used digital copies, even those purchased completely online without a physical disc. As a unintended benefit, nothing was ever out of print - you could simply torrent a copy and pay the digital license fee to get the game). The disc in that case was purely used only to aid you if you can't download 25/50GB of data.

But of course, everyone bitched and moaned, and we're back to the old style of game distribution - discs you can resell used, online "digital" purchases you can't.

Heck, Sony even mocked it.

As for ripping and all that - expect it after it's hacked. Both next-gens are really like the original Xbox - and likely there are going to be plenty of holes to exploit.

Then again, Microsoft discovered making it easy to homebrew on the Xbox360 made it less vulnerable to hacking (it was modded to play pirated games, but those had severe limitations), while Sony discovered that while homebrewers were happy on the PS3, the moment they took it away, they started breaking its rather weak security.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

Jiro (131519) | about a year ago | (#45291151)

nothing was ever out of print - you could simply torrent a copy and pay the digital license fee to get the game

No you couldn't, since the digital license servers would not be selling licenses forever. For the digital license servers to end would be the equivalent of "going out of print".

And once the servers die, even disks you bought would no longer be able to run.

Re:No media server support upsets me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290963)

This is almost true. PS4 doesn't have media server support. Xbox One will not have Windows Media Center Extender support. However we don't know if the XBone will or won't have DLNA support.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

jddj (1085169) | about a year ago | (#45291013)

Couldn't possibly buy one of these. My 3 and 5 year old get their TV from our carefully curated media server full of kids' TV. There's a month's worth of episodes of a number of their favorite shows (not just the 90-second clips the kids apps on the iPad want to show).

The PS3 is about the best frontend you can get for MythTV - navigates easier, more reliable, plays smoother, integrates into the home theater easier and builds the TV recordings into the rest of their entertainment.

Sony is doing all it can to get me to take my money and walk away.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about a year ago | (#45291133)

Can't possibly connect two devices to the same TV? I realize that ease of use is an issue for a 3 year old. I am using Plex via Roku as a MythTV frontend. I use a modified mythlink.pl to create a directory of symlinks with season and episode number in the filename and Plex does a great job grabbing the metadata. It does require running a Plex server - and you may or may not have the spare cycles on the MythTV backend.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

LordNimon (85072) | about a year ago | (#45291085)

If the PS4 support is anything like the Xbox 360 support, then you're not missing much. I got tired of all the limitations of my Xbox when it came to playing media files, and so I bought a WD TV Live. It's blows away my Xbox. I can attach a USB hard drive to the WD box which then appears as an SMB mount on my Mac. I then rip a Blu-ray to an 20GB MKV file, and it plays perfectly. No transcoding needed.

Re:No media server support upsets me (1)

DrXym (126579) | about a year ago | (#45291275)

It's always possible they intend to stick it in later (I doubt DLNA support was a launch day priority), but it would definitely put me off preordering if I had. But then again, a good reason not to preorder in the first place is because of things like this.

If it's a good console then it will still be a good console in 6 months from now when there are some actual worthwhile games to play on it and the firmware has gone through a few feature enhancements. It took several major updates of the PS3 firmware for some things to appear that we take for granted. Including DLNA.

Anyone else getting sick of crippleware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290645)

> media servers, MP3s, and audio CDs are not supported

Say what? You want us to be forced to do the media upgrade path again, again. Or be forced into your pay services.
*sigh*

The more open Steambox is looking better and better. Of course it is vapourware so it could just as easily become just as crippled.

OUYA + PS4 (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45291087)

Anonymous Coward wrote about the PS4's inability to play local media:

The more open Steambox is looking better and better. Of course it is vapourware so it could just as easily become just as crippled.

OUYA isn't vapor, and at least U.S. residents can buy an OUYA + PS4 for the price of an Xbox One.

No media servers? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290661)

What ever?
Seems like a backward step to me. If Sony thinks that 1000s and 1000s of its devices are being used solely as media servers, they are right.

If they think that omitting that feature will mean more games sales, they are mistaken.

Re:No media servers? (4, Insightful)

Captain Hook (923766) | about a year ago | (#45291059)

If they think that omitting that feature will mean more games sales, they are mistaken.

True, if people were buying consoles as media boxes then you are right, they won't sell more games this way, but they might sell less consoles are loss making prices so they would still be better off financially as a result.

Licenses purchasable separately? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290671)

I use my PS3 as media player for 70% of the time. 30% of the time I play games.

I would hate to give up that functionality, since the PS3 works so well and I like the interface and the digital sound output.

I think I can live with $5 - $10 license for my media needs. Just make that available, or I'll start considering Xbox!

Re:Licenses purchasable separately? (1)

somersault (912633) | about a year ago | (#45290751)

What's to stop you keeping your PS3 around as a media player? I wonder if the PS3 remotes will work for PS4s too.

Re:Licenses purchasable separately? (1)

Azmodan (572615) | about a year ago | (#45290793)

I wonder if the PS3 remotes will work for PS4s too.

They don't, as seen in the FAQ.

Re:Licenses purchasable separately? (1)

Jethro (14165) | about a year ago | (#45291049)

I have one of those USB remotes you plug a dongle into the PS3 for. It was way cheaper than their bluetooth remote and I could program my Harmony to emulate it.

I have a feeling THAT won't work anymore, either... I am starting to dislike the whole PS4 idea just based on the FAQ...

HDMI port limit (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45291031)

What's to stop you keeping your PS3 around as a media player?

Not wanting to reach behind the TV to switch the HDMI cable whenever switching from games to noninteractive media or vice versa.

Re:HDMI port limit (2)

damnbunni (1215350) | about a year ago | (#45291213)

They do make automated HDMI switches, you know. You can get one for about ten bucks.

The HDMI inputs have priority levels; plug your console into a 'high' priority one and when you switch it on the TV will change from the media box to the console automagically.

Re:HDMI port limit (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45291215)

You do realize they sell HDMI switches right?
They are very cheap.

Re:Licenses purchasable separately? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45291063)

I thought the idea of PS4 is to upgrade the PS3. I don't really want/need two consoles cluttering under the TV.

Re:Licenses purchasable separately? (1)

somersault (912633) | about a year ago | (#45291285)

That used to be the idea, but Sony have stopped doing backwards compatibility. So far as I can see, the idea of the PS4 just seems to be updated graphics, controller, and social media integration.

Re:Licenses purchasable separately? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45291331)

Backwards compatibility was pretty much just a ps1-ps2 thing. Only the early PS3s played previous gen games.

None of the cartridge systems offered this either and even the Wii dropped Gamecube support in later models.

Re:Licenses purchasable separately? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45291301)

Wait, so only have one at a time?

My current setup is HTPC for really old stuff, N64, PS2, Gamecube, and PS3. The N64 is just because I have not yet bought N64ish bluetooth controllers for the HTPC.

Re:Licenses purchasable separately? (1)

Jethro (14165) | about a year ago | (#45291035)

I've never been able to get the PS3 to play my remote media (or even the same media off a USB stick). It won't even recognise my MP3 files.

Getting it to work with my Harmony remote was a pain in the butt, too. This was before Harmony released the bluetooth bridge which I refuse to use on general principle.

Re:Licenses purchasable separately? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about a year ago | (#45291233)

It looks like they're going to patch in much of this functionality later.

Conflict of interest (5, Insightful)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about a year ago | (#45290687)

the console will require activation via the internet or a special disk before it will play Blu-ray or DVDs; media servers, MP3s, and audio CDs are not supported

This is why Sony needs to spin off its media division, as Dan Loeb has proposed.

As long as Sony is both a consumer electronics company and a major movie/recording studio, the consumer electronics division will always be compromised by the need to serve the overall corporate goals rather than the customer's needs.

You just know that the "no media server" and "have to activate on the Internet for DVD/Blu-ray" restrictions were added at the insistence of the suits on the studio side. These restrictions do nothing for customers, and a pure consumer electronics company would have no reason to hurt the functionality of their product by inflicting them.

Re:Conflict of interest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290771)

Well, at least it keeps them out of the courtrooms.

Imagine what would happen if the Xbox played CDs, MP3, BluRays, worked as a media server, and then some GeoHot figured out a way to crack the box and run PIRAAT content!!!!!

Re:Conflict of interest (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290815)

Nah, the activation would be there regardless. It's so that they only need to pay the per-unit DVD and BluRay licensing fees based on how many units are activated, rather than how many units are manufactured.

They probably figure that a whole bunch of people won't bother activating it since they already have a BluRay player and at least four different DVD-playing devices attached to their teevee already. Saves some money, and the average consumer doesn't really care about a little one-time annoyance (as long as it actually works after they activate it, of course).

Re:Conflict of interest (1)

jonwil (467024) | about a year ago | (#45291143)

Actually, I think its not activation, its a day-one patch that is required to enable the functionality.

Re:Conflict of interest (2)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about a year ago | (#45290849)

Well, the DVD/Blu-ray activation could theoretically save them couple bucks per console if they don't have to pay licensing for those technologies on consoles that never get activated.

Re:Conflict of interest (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#45290983)

Well, the DVD/Blu-ray activation could theoretically save them couple bucks per console if they don't have to pay licensing for those technologies on consoles that never get activated.

Who, exactly, does Sony have to pay? Didn't they create the BluRay spec and pretty much own it?

At which point I should expect some imaginary money to be moved around. Selling you a device which half works sounds like the usual crap I expect from Sony -- which is why I haven't owned anything made by Sony in quite some time.

This is just their usual "screw the consumer" policies. And I'm not willing to play their game.

MPEG-LA, for one (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45291107)

Who, exactly, does Sony have to pay?

Sony would have to pay other BDA members, DVD FLLC, DVD CCA, (Mac)Rovi(sion), AACSLA, MPEG-LA, and anyone else who manages licensing patents or DRM trade secrets associated with BD or DVD video.

Re:Conflict of interest (2)

omnichad (1198475) | about a year ago | (#45291175)

They still have to pay through MPEG-LA and BDA. There's the whole issue of being able to play Dolby or DTS audio or using MPEG codecs that does require royalties outside of Sony.

No media servers? (2)

Horshu (2754893) | about a year ago | (#45290723)

What's the point of that? As someone who has terabytes dedicated to local media storage rather than counting on the cloud to reliably stream (or even carry) a particular album or movie, this trend is really ticking me off. I'm going to take a guess that XBone won't serve as a Media Center Extender as well. Was hoping for a single device to play games, watch TV, and listen to music, but it looks more and more like I need to get a separate NUC (or equivalent) for the media server access (although that was going to be necessary anyway, since XB360 won't play ripped DVDs)

Re:No media servers? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#45290823)

A steambox might be an idea.
Not sure if they have TV support, heck just adding netflix and amazon would be enough for me.

Re:No media servers? (1)

ravenscar (1662985) | about a year ago | (#45291009)

Install Plex server (free) on your server and pick up a Roku 2 for $60 and install the Plex client (also free). Works great for videos, music, and pictures. Also, since the Roku isn't a Blu-ray player, it doesn't prevent you from playing Blu-rays that you have ripped to store on your server. This won't meet your game needs, but it's a tiny, lower power device so it doesn't take up a bunch of space or give off a bunch of heat.

Re:No media servers? (1)

JenniP (824070) | about a year ago | (#45291323)

And if you are in the UK its even cheaper, get Plex then pickup a NowTV box for only £10. The NowTV box is just a Roku LT with custom firmware, but it still has the developer mode that allows you to install Plex.

Re:No media servers? (1)

Jethro (14165) | about a year ago | (#45291023)

The media center capabilities of the PS3 never worked for me. It can see my media servers but can't see any of the videos. "Sure," you say, "videos are all kinda weird codecs." And you're right, I don't expect Sony to make something that'll play MKV files. click on Music, and go into a directory with thousands of MP3 files, and it can't see THOSE, either. It wants a very, very specific format for those MP3 files which Google has NOT helped me figure out!

I have a dedicated media center PC. It's small, quiet, is controlled by the same remote as every other media component (which BTW is a pain to do with the PS3!), streams 5.1 audio and 1080p video (sometimes at the same time) and can play just about any format I throw at it. And it's kinda fun (: Now if you'll excuse me, I have another blu-ray to rip.

Why activation for Blu-rays/DVD's? (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#45290787)

the console will require activation via the internet or a special disk before it will play Blu-ray or DVDs

Try as I might, I can't figure that one out. It's not like Sony doesn't sell off-the-shelf blu-ray players every day that don't require this (including the PS3). So why require it for the PS4??

Maybe they didn't have the software finished on time and it requires a downloaded patch?

Re:Why activation for Blu-rays/DVD's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290857)

Yes. The 1.50 adds support for features expected day 1 that weren't finalized on the firmware that went gold -- that's pretty much it.

Re:Why activation for Blu-rays/DVD's? (2)

gnfnrf (39155) | about a year ago | (#45290867)

It's probably a licensing thing. Sony doesn't want to pay the per-player fee on every device they sell, just every device that is activated.

Re:Why activation for Blu-rays/DVD's? (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about a year ago | (#45290999)

Doesn't Sony own that licensing?

Re:Why activation for Blu-rays/DVD's? (2)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45291121)

Doesn't Sony own that licensing?

Please see replies to gstoddart's comment [slashdot.org] .

Re:Why activation for Blu-rays/DVD's? (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#45291201)

Yeah, but they don't have any problem licensing it for the PS3 and their stand-alone players. It couldn't be enough to effect the price THAT much.

Re:Why activation for Blu-rays/DVD's? (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about a year ago | (#45290943)

Blu-ray players pay $10 in licensing fees, by making you activate it they can defer that cost and only pay it for those who are actually going to use it.

Playstation 4? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290921)

haha, I still have the old "fat" Playstation 2 that has trouble with some games like Rouge Galaxy. I should buy a Playstation 3 soon.

No media server (1)

mythix (2589549) | about a year ago | (#45290923)

As if the movies streamed over DLNA were ever watchable on the PS3, they looked abominal...
Why doesn't this just stream my movies with samba like my current media player? it would sell like hot bread...

Re:No media server (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#45291053)

Yes, DLNA streamed files look just fine. If they don't you have either shit quality files or have software doing poor quality reencoding of your files. I watch BluRay remuxes just fine streamed to my PS3 with PS3MediaServer with no video reencoding. They look just as they should.

Re:No media server (1)

mythix (2589549) | about a year ago | (#45291219)

The files were fine when I watched them on the PC, I just streamed them from my PC with sharing media...

No MP3s or audio CDs? Online activation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45290959)

I seem to recall people flipping out when Microsoft wanted to allow everything to be digital and, then to do the same. Now that Sony is either blocking content or requiring online activation it's okay?

This sure reminds me of every prior Sony announcement: all of the good and none of the bad, with every moron in the world forgetting history and lapping it up. As it turn's out, Sony's version of what Microsoft is doing doesn't even make sense and it's purely anti-consumer; the content is purely physical and therefore cannot be shared (unless they're considering copying of discs, which they clearly are, and that amusingly backs up doing the same for games).

Oh, sorry, I forgot where I was for a second.

Disappointed (1)

Jethro (14165) | about a year ago | (#45290971)

Two things about this that worry me. Well, 2 and a half.

The whole no MP3/audio CDs/DLNA thing, yeah... that COULD potentially be fixed and Sony have addressed peoples' concerns about it. That's my half thing.

What worries me more is that no current bluetooth headsets nor PS3 controllers will work on the thing. I can see absolutely no reason for that other than Money Grab. Yeah, the PS4 controller has more features, but those things are overpriced half-way to hell and many of us have multiple PS3 controllers. I do not see a reason for the thing not to just go "some features may not be available".

Even more worrying is the default inclusion of a 5400RPM SATA II harddrive. Yeah, it's user-replaceable, but here's my issue.

Sony have been claiming that this thing would "ourperform" PCs. Even high-end ones. Most people were sceptical of this but I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. And I still think it could equal a decent PC in /gaming/ performance.... but it's clear that to Sony that means only when you're ACTUALLY playing the game - not when you're booting up, loading a game, loading data, load/saving games... anything that's not actual gameplay.

And that's one of the most annoying things about the PS3. You can (and I have) replace your HDD with an SSD, and it can throw data at the PS3 extremely fast, but the PS3 just can't process it fast enough, so performance improvements are negligible.

This extremely outdated tech included in the PS4 by default make me think this will still be the case with the PS4.

Now naturally I have not tried a PS4 yet, so I might be very wrong. I really hope I am. But right now I've put the PS4 firmly on the "wait a few months" list, and quite likely on the "lets see how the whole steam box does" list... and even possibly on the "Ok lets reevaluate getting a gaming PC in the living room" list.

You may want to rethink that cunning plan... (1)

pla (258480) | about a year ago | (#45290981)

FTA: "Does the PS4 system support analog video or audio output?" "No. the PS4 system's video and audio are transmitted using HDMI"
"What screen resolutions will PS4 support?" "The PS4 system supports 480p"
"In PAL Markets, the Vertical Stands for the PS4 system will retail for â19.99 / £16.99."
[Damnit Slashdot, Unicode! Any year now!]

Seriously mixed messages here. First, I feel just fine with digital-only, though I expect that will piss off at least a few people. But why does it support 480p? Do HDMI displays actually exist that don't support at least 720p? Not to mention, pretty much anything less than 5 years old will support 1080p.

But that last line really cinches it... "In PAL markets". WTF? Seriously Sony, what the hell does PAL-vs-NTSC have to do with it, when you only have digital outputs? For that matter, does PAL-vs-NTSC even exist at all anymore? At least in the US, analog OTA has gone dark. Unless you also-vinyl-fans really want to keep using that 30 year old Betamax, that distinction has no more meaning than saying "in former Roman colonies".

It also surprises me to see them going with an 8 core x86 (I'll presume that means x64) - After pushing the awesome power of the Cell architecture soooo hard with the PS3, they have chosen to go back to basically commodity PC hardware? And not even cutting edge, that makes the PS4 slightly less powerful than my now-two-year-old home desktop PC. And though vague, they say 18CU with 1.84TF for graphics... Which puts it basically on par with the Radeon HD 5830. Consider me unimpressed.

On the bright side, I look forward to having a full-speed PS4 emulator for PC available about a week after launch. So hey, not all bad, right?

Re:You may want to rethink that cunning plan... (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about a year ago | (#45291185)

It says "in PAL markets" because that's the version of the FAQ issued on the European PAL region PlayStation blog.

Image Constraint Token; PAL market defined (3, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#45291267)

But why does it support 480p?

It's probably an AACS requirement to support at least one EDTV resolution, given the Image Constraint Token.

But that last line really cinches it... "In PAL markets". WTF? Seriously Sony, what the hell does PAL-vs-NTSC have to do with it, when you only have digital outputs?

"PAL market" refers to markets that use 50 Hz alternating current and historically used PAL video: Europe, Australia, and New Zealand. These tend to have fewer people per country than North America. This increases cost of licensing works for adaptation when distributors own exclusive rights in different countries. It increases the cost of localization as UI and games must be dubbed in more languages. It increases censorship as some PAL market countries have less comprehensive protection of speech than the United States, allowing no-swastikas policies and refusal to accept neighboring countries' classification for violent, sexual, or otherwise objectionable materials. Finally, Europe tends toward stronger warranty requirements for consumer products than North America.

For that matter, does PAL-vs-NTSC even exist at all anymore?

Yes. It would be cost prohibitive for the PAL market to switch to 60 Hz AC and a single media distribution territory, and it would be politically unpopular to adopt English language, free speech, and U.S.-style minimal warranty.

Re:You may want to rethink that cunning plan... (1)

omnichad (1198475) | about a year ago | (#45291293)

Maybe it's changed since you visited, but I see different.

"What screen resolutions will PS4 support?" "The PS4 system supports 480p"

It actually says "The PS4 system supports 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p video standards via HDMI output."

For that matter, does PAL-vs-NTSC even exist at all anymore?

Yes - it does. The resolutions might be the same, but PAL video is at 25fps vs. our 29.97 (or double for interlaced). Their SD video is 576p.

No DLNA support? Didn't you start DLNA Sony? (1)

Mysticalfruit (533341) | about a year ago | (#45291291)

I find that particularly odd that Sony wouldn't have support for DLNA on the PS4 considering they started the consortium.
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