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Android KitKat Released

timothy posted about 10 months ago | from the happy-hallowe'en dept.

Android 358

First time accepted submitter taxtropel was one of many readers to note that Google has officially released its newest version of Android. taxtropel extracts from the announcement: "Today we are announcing Android 4.4 KitKat, a new version of Android that brings great new features for users and developers. The very first device to run Android 4.4 is the new Nexus 5, available today on Google Play, and coming soon to other retail outlets. We'll also be rolling out the Android 4.4 update worldwide in the next few weeks to all Nexus 4, Nexus 7, and Nexus 10 devices, as well as the Samsung Galaxy S4 and HTC One Google Play Edition devices." Reader SmartAboutThings adds: "Almost all of the features that the Nexus 5 comes with are not a surprise, since they were heavily leaked before. Still, for those that have obediently waited this day, here are some of its most important specs: 2.2Ghz quad-core Snapdragon 800 and 2GB of RAM, 4.95-inch 1080p display, Wireless charging, 2,300 mAh battery, LTE, Bluetooth 4.0, 802.11ac WiFi and NFC; Gorilla Glass 3, Front 1.3-megapixel camera and 8-megapixel sensor on the back with optical image stabilization (OIS)."

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yum (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293381)

is there a dark chocolate version?

Re:yum (5, Informative)

Joce640k (829181) | about 10 months ago | (#45293467)

In not-unrelated news: You can get a Nexus 5 for half the price of an equivalent iPhone.

Does nobody apart from me see that as newsworthy?

Re:yum (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 10 months ago | (#45293629)

Not really since most US people pay subsidized rates not full retail. Many international carriers offer discounts on the full retail price as well.

Re:yum (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about 10 months ago | (#45293641)

Isn't it more interesting that you can get a Nexus 5 for half the price of an equivalent Galaxy S4 or HTC or Experia?

What did everyone say when Microsoft decided it was going to make the Surface tablets...? Something about OEMs bitching or other?

Re:yum (2)

slash.jit (2893213) | about 10 months ago | (#45293885)

Yes it is.. specially since Nexus 5 is made by LG which is also cheaper than Moto X which is made by Google's own company

Re:yum (2, Funny)

nospam007 (722110) | about 10 months ago | (#45293919)

'In not-unrelated news: You can get a Nexus 5 for half the price of an equivalent iPhone.

Does nobody apart from me see that as newsworthy?'

It's their main weapon. That and surprise. And an almost fanatical devotion to the pope.

And slashvertisements.

Re:yum (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293797)

There is for the Japanese versions, along with 30 other flavours.

Along the theme... (5, Funny)

donut1005 (982510) | about 10 months ago | (#45293397)

When iOS7 caused trouble for iPhone users, I heard audible Snickers.

Re:Along the theme... (1)

intermodal (534361) | about 10 months ago | (#45293441)

Not everyone. Those guys who got their iPhone 4S's warranty-replaced with iPhone 5's saw it as more of a Payday.

Re:Along the theme... (1)

Mordok-DestroyerOfWo (1000167) | about 10 months ago | (#45293709)

Frickin' Nerds!

Re:Along the theme... (5, Funny)

Scowler (667000) | about 10 months ago | (#45293483)

"Give me a break!" -- satisfied iPhone user with iOS7

Re:Along the theme... (4, Funny)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 10 months ago | (#45293503)

"Give me a break!" -- satisfied iPhone user with iOS7

I thought that was the problem; the update did break the WiFi Whatchamacallit...

Re:Along the theme... (1)

Scowler (667000) | about 10 months ago | (#45293799)

Only problem encountered was the iMessage (Milk) Duds. Approximately as annoying as my wife's Nexus 4 Blow Pops which bricked the device a few times during device recharges. (in fairness, workaround exists going through boot menu for that one)

Re: Along the theme... (1)

johnsnails (1715452) | about 10 months ago | (#45293787)

Have a break, have a kit Kat

Re:Along the theme... (1, Offtopic)

Megane (129182) | about 10 months ago | (#45293551)

Fortunately for Android users, many of them won't have upgrade problems because they won't be able to upgrade.

Re:Along the theme... (1)

donut1005 (982510) | about 10 months ago | (#45293659)

No candy reference? I expect more from the brainiac Nerds that visit this site!

I wonder.. (2, Informative)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about 10 months ago | (#45293405)

I wonder if it will continue to randomly turn off the Nexus 4, like 4.3 does.

Re:I wonder.. (3, Informative)

hawguy (1600213) | about 10 months ago | (#45293559)

I wonder if it will continue to randomly turn off the Nexus 4, like 4.3 does.

Is that a well known problem? My N4 doesn't seem to have it.

Re:I wonder.. (2)

Imagix (695350) | about 10 months ago | (#45293585)

Neither does mine...

Re:I wonder.. (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 10 months ago | (#45293645)

I haven't seen it and I have quite a few friends with Nexus 4s. Could be a hardware problem.

Re:I wonder.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293993)

There was a known issue where this would happen if you had the Chrome Beta installed. I have the beta installed myself on an N4 and N7 and I only hit the problem once. Others have had it more often.

Re:I wonder.. (2)

toppavak (943659) | about 10 months ago | (#45293597)

Apples to oranges comparison here, but this happened to me when I ran the first few alpha builds of CyanogenMod that were built from 4.3, subsequent updates fixed the problem. I never ran stock 4.3 so YMMV

Re:I wonder.. (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | about 10 months ago | (#45293615)

This is the first time I've ever heard of that, and I tend to lurk in the XDA boards a bit (I have a N4 too). Would you care to substantiate this claim?

Re:I wonder.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293651)

Probably. What I want to know is why my Verizon Samsung Galaxy S3 is still rocking 4.1.2. Yes yes, I know I can root it. But it's a company phone.

Maybe I can convince them to get me a Nexus 5. Once all the bugs get worked out.

Nexus 5: Can it run linux? (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 10 months ago | (#45293433)

Looking for something to replace my not so gracefully aging N900. God what I wouldn't give for a phone with a pressure sensitive screen that can run mypaint, decent battery life, and can run linux or commonlisp.

Re:Nexus 5: Can it run linux? (4, Informative)

magic maverick (2615475) | about 10 months ago | (#45293489)

Android is Linux. Maybe you want a GNU/Linux with X? Names matter.

Re:Nexus 5: Can it run linux? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293593)

No, Android is not Linux. Neither is GNU/Linux. What he's asking is if we can install our own god damned kernel, regardless of who provides the userspace. Intent matters.

Re:Nexus 5: Can it run linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293619)

Why would someone ever want to install his or her own kernel?

Re:Nexus 5: Can it run linux? (2)

Nemyst (1383049) | about 10 months ago | (#45293631)

There are dozens of kernels available for each phone out there. You can't just install any kernel, but you can most definitely make your own that'd work with your device, it's just a lot of work.

Re:Nexus 5: Can it run linux? (2)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 10 months ago | (#45293655)

You can run a full Linux build chrooted under Android. You can also install Ubuntu Touch on the Nexus 4. Close enough?

Re:Nexus 5: Can it run linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293823)

But but but ... I want a desktop andriod for my linux system.

Re:Nexus 5: Can it run linux? (4, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | about 10 months ago | (#45293909)

But but but ... I want a desktop andriod for my linux system.

You can get one, but it won't look anything like Darryl Hannah did in 1982.

just get a nexus 4 (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 10 months ago | (#45293813)

I have a 4, and it's pretty solid. Suggestion: buy the 16GB in a month or so after the 5 has been out. Lots of people will probably upgrade.

Just note that the 4 was sold in a couple of different flavors (AT&T, Tmobile, and Google store.) I'm pretty sure the straight Google one is the preferred/most capable, but double check?

Re:just get a nexus 4 (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | about 10 months ago | (#45293929)

I don't know about "most capable," but the Nexus 4 was a Hell of a lot cheaper straight from Google!

(Right now, T-mobile's web site wants $427 for a Nexus 4 16GB -- although in fairness, they're offering a "free wireless charger ($60 value!)," so there's that...)

Re:Nexus 5: Can it run linux? (5, Insightful)

nadaou (535365) | about 10 months ago | (#45293863)

As another poster pointed out, Android already is running the Linux kernel. If you want the GNU-ecosystem OS on top of the kernel all you have to do is install a chroot environment like "Lil' Debi" and you're done. (requires root)

https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=info.guardianproject.lildebi&fdpage=13 [f-droid.org]

Same goes for those very nice and very cheap long-life Chromebooks.

People give RMS lots of grief for calling "it" GNU/Linux, but he ain't no fool. Linux can be many things besides the kernel for the GNU OS, and see the Debian ports for the familiar GNU environment running on BSD, and yes, Hurd kernels instead of the Linux one.

Dear Mr Moore... (5, Insightful)

bob_super (3391281) | about 10 months ago | (#45293435)

The mid-range laptop on which I'm typing this comment is out-specced on all fronts by this phone (save for keyboard and day-long readability), and it's barely 6 years old.
Nice.

Re:Dear Mr Moore... (2)

glwtta (532858) | about 10 months ago | (#45293537)

Heh, "barely 6 year old computer" is somehow both adorable, and also really sad.

Re:Dear Mr Moore... (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 10 months ago | (#45293741)

The mid-range laptop on which I'm typing this comment is out-specced on all fronts by this phone (save for keyboard and day-long readability), and it's barely 6 years old.
Nice.

What 6-year old laptop has a small than 5" screen? Also unless you bought some shitty Pentium III laptop even that Snapdragon 800 is slower than even the mobile Core Duos from 2006.

The servers are melting (1)

kbrannen (581293) | about 10 months ago | (#45293439)

I just ordered mine and it can't complete the transaction yet, saying the servers are very busy and it'll email me the receipt shortly. Shipping date is Nov 8. Since my current phone is barely working and is held together by force of will, I really look forward to this. :)

Re:The servers are melting (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 10 months ago | (#45293667)

I thought they were sold out. They all became "Add to Wishlist" only after about 25 minutes.

Re:The servers are melting (1)

kbrannen (581293) | about 10 months ago | (#45293951)

I guess I got lucky then. :) When I look in the orders for my account, along with all the android apps I've purchased over time, the Nexus 5 is listed at the top with an Nov 8 shipping date. Still no receipt yet, but I'm really hoping they don't email me back and say "sorry, but you're on a wait list".

Re:The servers are melting (1)

Shados (741919) | about 10 months ago | (#45293691)

Google's shopping experience is very naive considering the kind of talent they have in house. Then again, getting theoretical computer scientists to make a shopping cart is a recipe for disaster =P

Its very, very buggy and can't take load very well at all

Re:The servers are melting (1)

nblender (741424) | about 10 months ago | (#45293755)

I would have dearly loved to order one; in fact got one in my cart and everything. Seller does not ship to Canada though... Pity.

In other news... (0)

Gravis Zero (934156) | about 10 months ago | (#45293445)

... people have been flooding into ERs after mistaking their cellphones for candy.

WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293469)

Why the freaking hell do they keep stuffing high-clocked high-speed multi-core CPUs in the standard-res phones, and then leave their super-high-res large-screen tablets with low-speed dual-core-at-best pieces of shit? You're doing it bass-ackwards, Google. For fuck's sake, STOP IT.

Re:WTF (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about 10 months ago | (#45293661)

Why the freaking hell do they keep stuffing high-clocked high-speed multi-core CPUs in the standard-res phones, and then leave their super-high-res large-screen tablets with low-speed dual-core-at-best pieces of shit? You're doing it bass-ackwards, Google. For fuck's sake, STOP IT.

Does 1920x1080 count as "standard-res" on a phone these days? What would be "high-res" in a phone? The N10 has a 2560 x 1600 display, "only" twice as number of pixels as the N5 -- does that make it "super-high-res"? The current N10 is has only dual-cores, but it's a year old already... the new N10 is supposed to have a quad-core snapdragon CPU and more RAM than the N5.

Does the resolution really have a strong relation to CPU power? I thought the GPU did most of the heavy lifting when it comes to the display?

Best feature? (1)

bob_super (3391281) | about 10 months ago | (#45293471)

Is the apps firewall working?

That's the killer feature for me.
So [bleep]ing tired of apps asking the right to send unlimited SMS or take over my contacts just to provide an egg-timer...

Re:Best feature? (1)

nullchar (446050) | about 10 months ago | (#45293595)

Re:Best feature? (2)

bob_super (3391281) | about 10 months ago | (#45293677)

Good for my tablet, thanks, but I can't root my phone as long as my boss is paying for it.

Re:Best feature? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 10 months ago | (#45293947)

Good for my tablet, thanks, but I can't root my boss' phone as long as my boss is paying for it.

FTFY. If you want control of your phone, you should buy your own phone. Personally, I don't think rooting is the right option either. The solution to "I don't want to give apps the ability to send out SMS messages" shouldn't be "I should be able to give apps unlimited super user privileges"

Re:Best feature? (1)

clarkn0va (807617) | about 10 months ago | (#45293977)

Unfortunately there's no leaked date on new bosses at the Play Store yet.

What? Nexus 5 released, Nexus 10 already released? (-1, Troll)

magic maverick (2615475) | about 10 months ago | (#45293479)

So, according to the summary, Google just released Nexus 5. And Android 4.4 will be rolled out to all Nexus 4s, Nexus 7s and Nexus 10s. What? So does that mean that the Nexus 7s and Nexus 10s have already been released? What a fucked up counting system.

Also, who the fuck needs 2GB of RAM on a fucking phone!? My old computer (which I was using until just a year ago) got by on 2.5 GB of RAM, and it ran just fine. I can't imagine doing many of the things that I do (and did on my old computer) on even a fancy phone. For one, the screen is too small, and there is no built in keyboard. Not to mention, I doubt my toolkit has been ported to Android.

Re:What? Nexus 5 released, Nexus 10 already releas (5, Funny)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 10 months ago | (#45293511)

Also, who the fuck needs 2GB of RAM on a fucking phone!? My old computer (which I was using until just a year ago) got by on 2.5 GB of RAM, and it ran just fine. I can't imagine doing many of the things that I do (and did on my old computer) on even a fancy phone. For one, the screen is too small, and there is no built in keyboard. Not to mention, I doubt my toolkit has been ported to Android.

I agree, nobody will ever need more than 640k of RAM.

Re:What? Nexus 5 released, Nexus 10 already releas (1)

glwtta (532858) | about 10 months ago | (#45293519)

Yeah, 7 and 10 are tablets - they're using the number for both size and version (for the phone at least), it's kinda weird.

Don't really know what to tell you regarding the Old Man Rant - that's the hardware that phones have nowadays, and yes, they do more than your old computer.

Re:What? Nexus 5 released, Nexus 10 already releas (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 10 months ago | (#45293665)

Also, they tend not to have swap files, which makes a difference. A PC will run like dirt if it is actually swapping all the time; but if a program gets optimistic about what it will need, or is sitting idle, it's basically free to shove it onto the disk and forget about it.

Without that, it's either in memory or taken out back and shot. This has led to some improvements in applications designed to be tolerant of sudden death; but if you need to terminate a program because you can't store its state, the amount of state you can preserve for when you restart the program is obviously somewhat constrained.

Re:What? Nexus 5 released, Nexus 10 already releas (1)

j3thr0 (189013) | about 10 months ago | (#45293549)

How can you sound so angry about something that you obviously don't care about?

Re:What? Nexus 5 released, Nexus 10 already releas (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293553)

The 7 and 10 you mention are tablets, and the 7 and 10 describe their physical dimensions: 7 and 10" screens.

The 5 is a phone, and it describes the version. It is the Nexus phone version 5.

Re:What? Nexus 5 released, Nexus 10 already releas (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293555)

Google have an reverse version system for the Nexus line of phones. The first one was the Nexus 27 released eight years ago.

The stated goal is that the Nexus 0 will be the last phone.

Re:What? Nexus 5 released, Nexus 10 already releas (4, Informative)

hawguy (1600213) | about 10 months ago | (#45293689)

So, according to the summary, Google just released Nexus 5. And Android 4.4 will be rolled out to all Nexus 4s, Nexus 7s and Nexus 10s. What? So does that mean that the Nexus 7s and Nexus 10s have already been released? What a fucked up counting system.

Also, who the fuck needs 2GB of RAM on a fucking phone!? My old computer (which I was using until just a year ago) got by on 2.5 GB of RAM, and it ran just fine. I can't imagine doing many of the things that I do (and did on my old computer) on even a fancy phone. For one, the screen is too small, and there is no built in keyboard. Not to mention, I doubt my toolkit has been ported to Android.

If you were running Java apps exclusively on your old 2.5GB computer, you would have been far less happy with that much RAM. I run a Java based IDE on my desktop maxed out with 8GB RAM and still find myself wanting more RAM at times when I'm debugging a large java application - the app itself uses over 2GB of ram after it caches all of its data.

Re:What? Nexus 5 released, Nexus 10 already releas (1)

Nethead (1563) | about 10 months ago | (#45294001)

"...the app itself uses over 2GB of ram after it caches all of its data."

And this is why we can't have nice things.

Re:What? Nexus 5 released, Nexus 10 already releas (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293999)

Nexus 4: 4.7 inch display
Nexus 5: 5 inch display
Nexus 7: 7 Inch display
Nexus 10: 10 inch display
Not everything is about incremental version numbers.

the name (4, Interesting)

sootman (158191) | about 10 months ago | (#45293535)

I still think it's cheesy to use a brand-name food as the OS name, instead of a generic name.

Otherwise, looks neat. :-)

Re:the name (2)

mrchaotica (681592) | about 10 months ago | (#45293569)

I think you mean Cheez-It-y, amirite?

Re:the name (2)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about 10 months ago | (#45293603)

Maybe Google figured out it could better monetize Android using product placement.

I look forward to Android 5.8, Eli Lily Brand Insulin Shot (TM).

Re:the name (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293879)

Too nad it's not Android KY Jelly. I like to grease up my lube-proof samsung, put it on vibrate, and shove it up my ass.

Galaxy Nexus (1)

willie3204 (444890) | about 10 months ago | (#45293573)

Will the original GSM Galaxy Nexus be supported still? It would be nice if Google kept their customers who invested in their products at least 2 years ago invested still as Apple does...

Pretty Please

Re:Galaxy Nexus (1)

metrix007 (200091) | about 10 months ago | (#45293637)

Why wouldn't it be?

It will be supported until the hardware can't run the newer software.

Re:Galaxy Nexus (4, Informative)

Emetophobe (878584) | about 10 months ago | (#45293719)

Galaxy Nexus isn't supported. Source [google.com] .

Re:Galaxy Nexus (2)

Scott Ragen (3378093) | about 10 months ago | (#45293961)

That's disappointing. I was hoping to skip the 2 year upgrade cycle, especially for my mum who has the phone.
I bought Nexus believing it would be supported longer with quicker updates.
Why won't Google compete with Apple on longevity of phone updates? The iPhone 4 - over 3 years old runs iOS 7.

Re:Galaxy Nexus (3, Funny)

Omestes (471991) | about 10 months ago | (#45293979)

And I can't get a Nexus 4 or 5 thanks to being stuck on Verizon... Thanks Google.

Or rather, thanks Verizon!

Or rather... man I hate the cell phone ecosystem, I don't know who to hate more.

Re:Galaxy Nexus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293649)

Queue people telling you how shitty iOS 7 is on their 3 year old iPhone 4... when (again, anecdotally) it runs completely fine for me. (Especially with reduce motion on)

Re:Galaxy Nexus (1)

alen (225700) | about 10 months ago | (#45293903)

your phone still works, what is the problem?

Moto X (0)

ottothecow (600101) | about 10 months ago | (#45293611)

Maybe this means we will finally get Jellybean on the Moto X (a phone made by a google owned company that was released with a non-current OS well after the new version had been released).

Re:Moto X (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 10 months ago | (#45293705)

And that's the reason I'm sticking to Nexus devices from now on. I love CyanogenMod, but I want to be able to run the latest stock ROM if I want. It sucks that I need to give up expandable memory, but I guess that's the price you pay for now. I hope the Nexus 5 does USB OTG this time. At least it's nice to actually have options.

Re: Moto X (1)

johnsnails (1715452) | about 10 months ago | (#45293851)

Or the price you don't pay ;)

Why get excited? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293625)

Why get excited over a new version of Droid (google) that will steal all your shit just like the last version?

I bought a Firefox phone from the maker on eBay.

Anyone need a droid?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ZTE-Open-powered-by-Firefox-OS-3G-unlocked-smartphone-orange-eBay-exclusive-/281165818989?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item4176c9ec6d

Phones are getting more advanced (2)

stewsters (1406737) | about 10 months ago | (#45293627)

1080p screen? I wish I could get a laptop for $500 with that.

Shiny iDevices (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293671)

Quad core 2.2ghz CPU, slower than dual core 1.2ghz Apple CPU of same arch. iDevices are for sheeple lololol underpowered overpriced crap --Tuppe666

Count me out this round (1, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | about 10 months ago | (#45293679)

I'm sorry, but if it were a newer 4" phone with outrageous features, I'd be "okay, I'll probably get one." But a phablet? I just can't get behind it. I have my Nexus 7s. I have my Nexus 4. If my Nexus 7 needs data, I can tether from my phone. (Most of the time, it's WiFi or I don't really need it.) My eyes are still pretty good. I can still count the pixels on a 22" monitor with a 1920x1080 display. But this sub-retina display? I wonder. I think we just went beyond reason. Each of those pixels is memory which is used to display them. I can think of better uses of memory... and the power to drive such displays. It's a phone right? Power and battery life are important. Also, portability is important. A 4" phone already exceeds the size of what a person should wear on his belt and certainly exceeds what goes in my pockets. But 5"? This is be balking.

I like the new Google things. But I think I'll just spend a significant amount more with Samsung on my next device. It will be paid-for, not supplemented through carrier contracts because I enjoy a lower phone bill... a significantly lower phone bill. I hope Samsung stops playing the carrier game as well and starts selling directly at prices competitive with Google gear.

Re:Count me out this round (4, Insightful)

Emetophobe (878584) | about 10 months ago | (#45293915)

But a phablet? I just can't get behind it. I have my Nexus 7s. I have my Nexus 4

It's hardly a phablet compared to your Nexus 4, it's only 4mm longer...

Nexus 4 dimensions: 133.90 x 68.70 x 9.10 mm (with a 4.7" screen)
Nexus 5 dimensions: 137.84 x 69.17 x 8.59 mm (with a 4.9" screen)

Not even as good as the iPhone 4, let alone 5 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293683)

So long Nexus crap. All my hardcore cell phone developer buddies who bought into the android google-spying ecosystem are now dumping it and heading back to iPhone.

Re: Not even as good as the iPhone 4, let alone 5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293867)

That's funny, because all the people I know who used to work at an apple reseller now use android, and at least 2 others I know want to give android a serious chance for their next phone. I also used to work for an apple reseller and switched too

Re: Not even as good as the iPhone 4, let alone 5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293933)

Yeah except that my anecdote is true.

Battery life? (1)

Entropius (188861) | about 10 months ago | (#45293693)

I have a Galaxy Nexus at the moment which is having problems, and will need to replace it soon. My only real complaint about it (other than the crappy service from Sprint in my area) is the battery life. This thing seems to have the same size battery, but I understand that some phones will have "extended battery" cases available (where you buy a bigger battery and a new backplate that fits it). Will there be a thing like this for the Nexus 5?

No replaceable battery as far as I can see (3, Insightful)

MarcoAtWork (28889) | about 10 months ago | (#45293721)

Why is it that so few smartphones have replaceable batteries nowadays, it is such an environmentally irresponsible thing to do. Kudos to Samsung for still having them in the galaxy series, but seriously, every phone (and laptop) should have it. Wish Apple hadn't started this trend (for a company that supposedly prides itself as being environmental too...)

Re:No replaceable battery as far as I can see (-1)

alen (225700) | about 10 months ago | (#45293793)

most office buildings have these things called electricity outlets and you can always charge via your laptop's USB port

Re:No replaceable battery as far as I can see (2)

MarcoAtWork (28889) | about 10 months ago | (#45293827)

it kinda defeats the purpose to have a phone where you have to recharge it 2-3 times a day (which you will likely have to do some years down the road). I know, I know, "why should you keep using a phone that's more than 2 years old", see the comment above about environmental responsibility

Re:No replaceable battery as far as I can see (1)

alen (225700) | about 10 months ago | (#45293881)

when i'm in the office i just plug my iphone and galaxy s3 in and keep them plugged in all day
if my battery is less than 50% on my iphone at bed time i'll charge it
i have a USB port in my car that also charges my iphone
the power is there, might as well charge it

i see no point in buying extra batteries unless i was working in a job that kept me away from a power source all day

Re:No replaceable battery as far as I can see (5, Insightful)

Minwee (522556) | about 10 months ago | (#45293965)

most office buildings have these things called electricity outlets and you can always charge via your laptop's USB port

And most batteries have things called a "capacity" which degrades over time. Depending on a variety of factors this may be as low as a few hundred charge/discharge cycles. Being able to replace the battery means that you will still be able to use it two years later, and not need to constantly plug it into one of those electricity outlet things.

Only 32GB, no storage expansion (5, Insightful)

lma (109377) | about 10 months ago | (#45293735)

I love the Google phones with one exception: lack of storage. Google devices don't have microSD expansion slots, and the maximum storage sizes are small. If you're going to have small built-in flash sizes at least have an expansion slot. Or if you don't have an expansion slot, at least have versions with large storage options. HTC has a 64GB version of the One, for example. Apple has iPhone models with 64GB.

Re:Only 32GB, no storage expansion (5, Insightful)

hojo (94118) | about 10 months ago | (#45293941)

Agreed.

I am using a Galaxy S3, 16 GB built-in, and then I added a 64 GB SD card to it. I refuse to downgrade my storage capacity on a new phone. The amazing capacity of this thing is simply a killer feature.

I'm running Cyanogenmod on this thing and it flies, is stable, and has no shitware installed.

These two things have become my new standard for what I want:

1) Is it open enough to get a fully functioning Cyanogenmod update?
2) Does it have SD expansion?

That's it. All the hyper-resolution stuff is meaningless for a four or five inch display. Just give me that badass storage capacity and an uncluttered OS!

Re:Only 32GB, no storage expansion (1, Troll)

swb (14022) | about 10 months ago | (#45293981)

Isn't that "the Google way" though? You're supposed to store all your shit in the cloud so they can index it, sell you stuff and share it with the NSA.

Of course, I'm using an iPhone 5S, so I don't have any expansion at all, but at least I have a 64GB model so it hurts a little less.

Google wallet (3, Interesting)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 10 months ago | (#45293765)

I'm surprised there's still nothing about google wallet. I heard some speculation that with kitkat, they were going to announce a way to use it on any phone with NFC (without the secure element the carriers refuse to allow).

KitKat? (1)

Azure Flash (2440904) | about 10 months ago | (#45293821)

Should we expect a lawsuit or do they have a licensing agreement with Nestlé? (It's very indicative of the time we live in that this is the first thought that came to my mind...)

Re:KitKat? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | about 10 months ago | (#45293855)

Should we expect a lawsuit or do they have a licensing agreement with Nestlé? (It's very indicative of the time we live in that this is the first thought that came to my mind...)

The latter. http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/03/google-strikes-bizarre-licensing-deal-with-nestle-to-name-next-android-kit-kat/ [techcrunch.com]

Re:KitKat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45293891)

C'mon,

Give me a break.

Re:KitKat? (5, Informative)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 10 months ago | (#45293987)

What do you think? [kitkat.com]

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