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Microsoft Admits Windows 8.1 Update May Bork Your Mouse, Promises a Fix

timothy posted about a year ago | from the luckily-software-is-mutable dept.

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MojoKid writes "Microsoft has several valid reasons why you should upgrade to Windows 8.1, which is free if you already own Windows 8. However, there's a known issue that might give some gamers pause before clicking through in the Windows Store. There have been complaints of mouse problems after applying the Windows 8.1 update, most of which have been related to lag in video games, though Microsoft confirmed there are other potential quirks. Acknowledging the problem, Microsoft says it's also actively investigating the issues and working on a patch."

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They're doin' it wrong (-1, Offtopic)

lesincompetent (2836253) | about a year ago | (#45321001)

Why bother fixing it? Just censor the problem like the other fruity company.

Re:They're doin' it wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321015)

Why bother fixing it? Just censor the problem like the other fruity company.

Obviously it's too late to censor it since they said they are working on a patch

Re:They're doin' it wrong (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321619)

There's a patch here [linuxmint.com] which fixes it, also speeds up your computer and makes it look a lot better.

Re:They're doin' it wrong (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321087)

Yeah, I know what you mean. It is sickening how sycophantic Slashdot is to Apple and Microsoft now.

Dice should just come out, drop the pretense that it is FOSS-friendly, and admit it's been bought and paid for by Microsoft, Apple. Oracle etc.

Re:They're doin' it wrong (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321279)

No, have the pilot go on internet tell the other pilots that the only fix available for the problem is a newer model of fighter plane and they are entitled to a new one from the manufacturer free of charge under warranty .

Anonymous Coward upgrades to frosty piss 1.0 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321003)

With 25% more frost, 200% more piss.

..and mouse scroll. (2)

Vegan Cyclist (1650427) | about a year ago | (#45321007)

It's all borked..please be sure to fix the scroll button, too. The scroll speed is different each time i log in!!

Re:..and mouse scroll. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321451)

It's all borked..please be sure to fix the scroll button, too. The scroll speed is different each time i log in!!

Another satiesfied Microsoft customer?

FOSS for more than ten years, baby! Hahahah enjoy Windows ecosystem that you bought into. What you own owns you. Now you feel it. What can you do about it, use your skills? Hahahah no, it's a black box. Wait helplessly and hope they fix it for you. No refunds of course. Yes, that's the ticket. Wait for them. Hope they care. Satisfied yet?

Re:..and mouse scroll. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321571)

You get the same thing with FOSS, or do you think everyone in the world can program and has the time to sift through their program's code to find an obscure bug the main developers overlooked or didn't feel like fixing? At least Microsoft support won't call you a stupid noob to your face.

Re:..and mouse scroll. (2)

Lisias (447563) | about a year ago | (#45322073)

At least Microsoft support won't call you a stupid noob to your face.

You get what you pays for, right?

With FOSS, you can try to fix it yourself or pay someone to do that for you.

Re:..and mouse scroll. (3, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#45321591)

> Another satiesfied Microsoft customer?

Well, yes. We use it because for one reason or another, we have to, usually because a commercial product is required, and we complain bitterly about it -- who, that didn't actually work in Redmond, wouldn't? (Actually, that's not entirely true -- even there, people complain, but quietly, to trusted friends.)

As to FOSS, yeah, my website and blog and my daughter's blog all run on a Linux box I administrate, using software I partly wrote, and if all I ever did in life was use EMACS to pound out Python, I'd drop Windows in a heartbeat. But some of us have things to do that can't be had from sourceforge.

Mind you, I'm hanging onto Windows 7 with both hands. We have a touch screen laptop running Win8, and it's junk. Maybe it'll run Android some day.

Re:..and mouse scroll. (5, Interesting)

JMJimmy (2036122) | about a year ago | (#45322021)

You're not kidding - things I've found wrong with it so far (less than 5 hours of use):

  - Takes 1-2 hours to install [facepalm]
  - Corrupts some Win8 Xbox game saves
  - Adds UEFI watermark which can only be removed by installing an update (requires reboot too)
  - Changes your folder/theme settings without permission
  - Changes the folders setup in Windows Explorer to promote Skydrive (ya right!) and buries everything useful at the bottom
  - Re-installs all the garbage you've spent hours uninstalling (bing/news/finance/etc)
  - Doesn't restore the start button, just adds a button to bring up the full screen start
  - Creates interface lag/"hiccuping" across all programs
  - Removes the lease offensive drop corner\
  - Enabled touchpad clicking on my mouse, despite the ELAN options showing it as disabled
  - Forces powder blue backgrounds on tiles which make reading difficult (no personalization option to change it)
  - Pins IE to the taskbar

Everything in Win8/8.1 is counter to productivity and just makes me want to switch to a new OS, unfortunately I wasn't able to downgrade this system to Win 7 64bit and I'm still not confident in Linux's ability to remain stable/repair itself easily without having to frequently re-install.

Re:..and mouse scroll. (3, Informative)

Lisias (447563) | about a year ago | (#45322097)

I'm still not confident in Linux's ability to remain stable/repair itself easily without having to frequently re-install.

I'm using a Linux box for 4 years, without a single reinstall. Of course, I'm using a "more professional" one.

Be aware that there's more than a single Linux distro, and not all of them focus on stability or security. The ones that focus on mimicking Windows tends to mimic it too much accurately, in my humble opinion.

You have to test the mouse for OS updates now? (3, Interesting)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#45321017)

Wow just wow now what enterprise app will get messed up with other stuff in windows 8 / 8.1 that was not tested before updates?

Re:You have to test the mouse for OS updates now? (3, Interesting)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about a year ago | (#45321077)

Yes, if there was changes to the way mouse handling works.

Apparently Windows 8.1 includes changes to how the mice/trackballs/etc work. Also, there's more than one way to interact with the mouse via the set of APIs available to windows developers. Some games exhibit odd mouse behaviors, some don't.

This is a huge downside to the touted "backwards compatibility." Sure you're supporting a lot of apps, but a lot of those apps certainly do things the wrong way.

Re:You have to test the mouse for OS updates now? (5, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year ago | (#45321167)

Yeah, check the release note. Previously, you only had to fondle the dirty mouse balls. Now you need to suck the dirty mouse balls while rubbing the click wheel.

Re:You have to test the mouse for OS updates now? (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about a year ago | (#45321855)

fricken new-fangled hermaphraditic mice!!

The best of both worlds they said!

Re:You have to test the mouse for OS updates now? (2)

RespekMyAthorati (798091) | about a year ago | (#45321367)

I am having the stuttering-skipping problem mentioned above. Funny thing, it only happens with a Microsoft Mouse!

Re:You have to test the mouse for OS updates now? (1)

fermion (181285) | about a year ago | (#45321149)

The biggest problem with MS Windows was that it required a different device driver for common devices. Every time a USB drive was put in, a new device driver, and probably malware, was installed. With a camera, PTP was not implemented for a long time so device drivers were again needed. It is not surprising that they are continuing this device specific philosophy instead of adopting the open standards.

Re:You have to test the mouse for OS updates now? (0)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year ago | (#45321595)

Its curious that Linux has leapfrogged Windows in this area.

Re:You have to test the mouse for OS updates now? (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#45321599)

Good point... The "M" in KVM is kinda basic...

Valid reasons? (4, Informative)

bhcompy (1877290) | about a year ago | (#45321079)

Microsoft has several valid reasons why you should upgrade to Windows 8.1

What are these reasons? I'm being serious. I have yet to see a reason to upgrade from Windows 7 this soon in the game

Re:Valid reasons? (4, Informative)

walbourn (749165) | about a year ago | (#45321151)

Actual technical content in a /. article... Hmmm. not sure if that's really an option, but here goes a partial list of stuff you get in 8.1 and not with 7:
  • DirectX 11.2 hardware support including tiled resources, Feature Level 11.1 hardware support, etc.
  • Much improved Direct3D capture support when using VS 2013 Graphics Diagnostics
  • Native USB 3.0 support
  • 200% High-DPI scaling support
  • Bitlocker has been improved, particularly when initializing a new drive

Re:Valid reasons? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321467)

DirectX 11.2 hardware support including tiled resources, Feature Level 11.1 hardware support, etc.

Seeing as I have nothing that supports 11.2 I don't care.

Much improved Direct3D capture support when using VS 2013 Graphics Diagnostics

I'm sure all 5 people in the world who know what this is care deeply about this very important feature.

Native USB 3.0 support

OMG like Installing the USB 3 driver on Windows 7 is so much harder than installing the latest graphics driver from your favorite GPU vendor.

200% High-DPI scaling support

Try again ... so does Windows 7.

Bitlocker has been improved, particularly when initializing a new drive

Don't care.

I would settle for just one reason that is not total BS to upgrade just one.

Re:Valid reasons? (3, Informative)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#45321505)

The Windows 2012 R2 RSAT requires the Windows 8.1 client OS. There are a number of improvements in 2012R2 in particular with regards to hyper-v, directaccess, etc. Also (and this is the point for me in particular), Windows 2012R2 and Windows 8.1 have vastly improved PowerShell support (vs. Windows 7) for doing stuff from the command line. Yes, I know the UI is a bitch, but 8.1 fixes some of the Windows 8 brain damage, and if you're in any way involved in IT you owe it to yourself to keep up with the times so you can actually slam/praise whatever OS based on actual experience rather than hearsay.

Re:Valid reasons? (1)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | about a year ago | (#45321769)

8.1 fixes some of the Windows 8 brain damage

Could you elaborate? The main differences I see are boot to desktop and a pointless start button that you can't disable.

Re:Valid reasons? (1)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#45322125)

The start button does actually help when doing RDP of VMs. Every single program isn't automatically pinned to the start screen any more. More of the settings are available in metro, and now you can configure graphics for the metro desktop background the change isn't so jarring between metro and desktop. But yes, there is plenty of brain damage still there.

Again, the big reason for running 8.1 is support of 2012r2 servers. We skipped Windows 2012 on the server side and skipped 8 on the clients. But if you start skipping too many versions of Windows migration starts to become a bitch.

Re:Valid reasons? (1)

Lisias (447563) | about a year ago | (#45322117)

The Windows 2012 R2 RSAT requires the Windows 8.1 client OS.

So if I stay away from Windows 2012 R2, I can keep my Windows 7 boxes? Good to now!

Re:Valid reasons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45322135)

Tried it, it still sucks. I compared Kubuntu running on a live cd and it blew the more recent (Win 7 - 8.1) out of the water: 15 sec boot, snappy UI, 2.5 second shutdown. Oh and the mouse worked GREAT. The only reason I haven't dropped Windows entirely on my work desktop is that the PDF editors only seem to exist in the WinWorld.

Re:Valid reasons? (2)

batkiwi (137781) | about a year ago | (#45321323)

-Faster boot times
-Better SSD support
-less ram used by OS
-storage spaces if you have a bunch of disparate disks and want data redundancy

And you can boot to your desktop so you never see "metro" if you don't like it.

Re:Valid reasons? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321449)

Windows 7-->Windows 8

-Faster boot times
-Better SSD support
-less ram used by OS
-storage spaces if you have a bunch of disparate disks and want data redundancy

Conclusion: Windows 8 has a tiny amount to offer.

Windows 7 or 8 -->Windows 8.1

- you can boot to your desktop so you never see "metro" if you don't like it.
- your mouse won't work.

Conclusion: Windows 8.1 is essential if you hate working for someone. "Mouse no worky, I'm going to lunch."

Re:Valid reasons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321459)

1 - Dont care. W7 boots fast enough
2 - Possibly valid
3 - 1Gb vs 1.1Gb isnt compelling
4 - So that's different what was availible in w7 how exactly?

And of couse W7 doesnt have Metro

So why is W8.1 a compelling upgrade again?

Re:Valid reasons? (1)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#45321511)

Powershell improvements, and support for the Windows 2012R2 RSAT mostly.

Re:Valid reasons? (4, Insightful)

cheater512 (783349) | about a year ago | (#45321617)

Legit Question: If it needs less ram, then can you actually run it with less ram?

It seems that line gets mentioned with every new release but it actually means ram usage quadruples.
Remember that XP only needs 128mb of ram to function.

Re:Valid reasons? (1, Troll)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#45321657)

Legit Question: If it needs less ram, then can you actually run it with less ram?

aahahahahhahaahahah .

no.

do you think those tiles work with zero ram? active tiles, with active code behind them you can't kill, which are displayed with high resolution buffers that need to stay in ram?

I thought I upgraded to 8.1, but I didn't. it botched something. what I got was a fullscreen popup/reminder that I should update. I pressed yes, it started downloading.. but nothing has happened since. I suspect it's because I'm on an user account that's local only, which was converted from a ms online account into a local only.

number 1 reason for 8.1 is actually to get people on the store. that's why they market the update is available from the store.. the other updates are neglible.

and I'm using 8 purely because windows phone 8 sdk requires windows 8(why? to get people to install windows 8. NO OTHER REASON for why the sdk needs 8). no other piece of sw that I use requires windows 8.

Re:Valid reasons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321391)

History has taught me to never upgrade. Ever.

Windows? Fail.
Ubuntu? Fail.
I can't speak for Mac, but it's too pricey for me to care.

Use the new OS that comes with your next PC/laptop/tablet/whatever. Never upgrade.

Re:Valid reasons? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#45321675)

This friendly computer support tip brought to you by your local NSA extension service.

Re:Valid reasons? (0)

bhcompy (1877290) | about a year ago | (#45322043)

To be fair, Ubuntu continues to devolve, and from XP->Vista->7 was positive while it does seem that 8 is a regression of sorts while they change gears to be like Ubuntu. Basically, if they continue this course, they're on the Unity death spiral.

Re:Valid reasons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321433)

They are probably talking about an upgrade from 8.0... but one reason to upgrade from windows xp is that patches will stop soon if they haven't already.

Watermarks (5, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | about a year ago | (#45321083)

And give me the ability to hide that stupid "Secure Boot isn't configured correctly" watermark sitting on my desktop! I have it turned off for a reason, I don't need to be harassed constantly about it.

Re:Watermarks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321163)

Apparently that's a bug that's been fixed now.

Re:Watermarks (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321201)

to microsoft, that notice is and was not a "bug" it was a feature designed to scare people into having secure boot on, insuring that only microsoft-authorized operating systems would run on that hardware.

Re:Watermarks (1)

Kaenneth (82978) | about a year ago | (#45321809)

... but if you aren't using Windows, that notice won't appear anyway, right?

it's not added by the video BIOS or something, is it?

Re:Watermarks (4, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | about a year ago | (#45321333)

It was only a bug when it appeared on systems with secure boot enabled, on systems without secure boot, and on Windows RT devices. It still appears on my system because I explicitly turned it off. Now I want to hide the notification.

Re:Watermarks (-1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about a year ago | (#45321873)

If you want to hide the notification, umm, just turn secure boot on.

Bitching about reality does nothing to change reality and just ruins your peace of mind.

Re:Watermarks (2)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about a year ago | (#45321879)

haha, classic. Bitching does help.

Re:Watermarks (5, Informative)

mastershake82 (948396) | about a year ago | (#45321461)

Re:Watermarks (2)

Microlith (54737) | about a year ago | (#45321649)

THERE! Thank you. No more watermark. I wonder if this was their fix for the other systems afflicted with this message.

Windows 8.1 Update May Bork Your Mouse (5, Funny)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about a year ago | (#45321099)

I guess that's one way to get people to use the Metro touch interface.

Windows 8.1 is a PITA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321111)

I have been dealing with unexpected behavior on Win 8.1 exclusively (XP, Vista, 7, 8 are fine) relating to DPI handling this week. I feel that MS aren't really as concerned as they once were for native app compatibility if it stands in the way of work to support things like Metro/Surface.

app compatibility is big for Enterprise the store (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#45321375)

app compatibility is big for Enterprise the store only idea will kill windows for Enterprise and gameing.

steam on linux will be like the 1# games store if MS trys to suicide like that.

It's a secret plot. (1)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about a year ago | (#45321145)

To get people to use the touch interface.

Re:It's a secret plot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321241)

Next thing you know they'll release the results of some usability test showing how much people prefer touch instead of mousing, which they'll later cite when dropping mouse support in a future OS.

Re:It's a secret plot. (1)

rtb61 (674572) | about a year ago | (#45321325)

I am imaging the new range of after market rests, You know, keyboard rest, mouse rest and now touch screen rest, I thinking some sort of suspension system hanging from the ceiling, you know something you would see in a hospital for people with mangled arms.

Touchpad bug also (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321181)

with all windows 8 or 8.1 when you scroll with 2 fingers sometime out of no where the window (chrome, ie, word) collapse in the app bar.

It isn't just MS Mice (3, Informative)

laffer1 (701823) | about a year ago | (#45321203)

SteelSeries mouse drivers will cause the Windows 8.1 upgrade to fail.

Microsoft really screwed something up with the Windows 8.1 mouse drivers. They really need to get this fixed.

There is a simple fix (5, Informative)

richardw01 (2905181) | about a year ago | (#45321229)

It's a simple fix... they added some new mouse settings that cause the mouse to stop working while typing with a small delay... the settings are buried in the metro UI.... here is how to fix it: 1. Go to the windows setting in the metro UI, for me I just put my mouse pointer in the upper right of the screen until the "search, share, start, device, settings" pop up appears, click the settings icon. 2. click on the change PC settings at the bottom. 3. Click on PC and devices. 4. click on mouse and touch pad 5. under the touch pad settings set the delay to no delay.

Re:There is a simple fix (3, Interesting)

FuegoFuerte (247200) | about a year ago | (#45321301)

Interesting... that feature actually makes sense, in most contexts outside of gaming. I can't count the number of times I've called my laptop bad names because the cursor jumped while I was typing, due to me accidentally brushing against the touch pad. It's unfortunate it doesn't distinguish between a built-in touch pad and an external mouse though.

Re:There is a simple fix (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#45321671)

The Synaptics driver has this feature. Depending on how much your OEM spent on driver licensing, it might be turned off in your driver. If your laptop has anything but a Synaptics touchpad, it's a festering piece of shit.

Re:There is a simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321729)

All laptops have a function key or a special button to turn off the touchpad so that doesn't happen. It's just annoying to keep pressing the button if you dont have an external mouse.

Re:There is a simple fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45322057)

I just disabled the tap-to-click gestures and I haven't had any problems with the touchpad since

Re:There is a simple fix (1)

casab1anca (1304953) | about a year ago | (#45321303)

I'm assuming this is only for touchpads. I have a desktop with a regular mouse and I don't see any delay setting.

the most astonishing thing from TFS... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321261)

Wait....

There are still people gaming on Windows??

Re:the most astonishing thing from TFS... (1)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#45321517)

Yes. My steam library has 84 games in it. 4 of them are available for Linux.

Re:the most astonishing thing from TFS... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321735)

Who said anything about Linux?

Gaming is on consoles. That's where the market is and what games are written for these days. PCs get ports if theyre lucky.

I don't even know anybody who games on Windows any more. You gotta deal with incompatible drivers, malware, constant stream of patches, this game needs that version of the driver to fix all the bugs, meh...

Re:the most astonishing thing from TFS... (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year ago | (#45321957)

I don't even know anybody who games on Windows any more. You gotta deal with incompatible drivers, malware, constant stream of patches, this game needs that version of the driver to fix all the bugs, meh...

Indeed. That's why I mostly play games on Linux through Wine.

Re:the most astonishing thing from TFS... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321989)

i have 29 games in steam, 28 of them are available under Linux.

Re:the most astonishing thing from TFS... (0)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#45322143)

I'm guessing you just buy indie bundles and don't have any AAA titles other than Portal or Half-life 2.

windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321277)

never heard of it

I told them to fix it (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321293)

MS employee here, posting as AC for obvious reasons...

The problem comes from Windows 8.1 detecting high DPI displays and automatically making the menus and text larger, since things looked very tiny in computers with small displays that had very high resolution. The problem is that a given application that is not DPI-aware requests a window of WxH to draw on, and then the window gets enlarged by the OS; the result is a blurry, unusable mess. But the bad news don't end there! Because of the OS messing with the window given to the app, the mouse coordinates get all messed up and produce the problem described in TFA. Unfortunately, there was no easy solution to this problem and I don't know what this "promised fix" might do since a change in each of the affected applications might be necessary. The good news is that the solution for the user is pretty simple, go into the resolution settings and set everything back to "small".

Re:I told them to fix it (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year ago | (#45321559)

Previous versions of Windows have had DPI settings. Why is this problem new in Windows 8.1?

Re:I told them to fix it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321651)

Previous versions of Windows have slowly introduced this astounding concept that people run different size displays, but they have ALL been fucked, horribly.

Re:I told them to fix it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321587)

Hmm, a somewhat credible and technically-literate comment totally relevant to the conversation. If at least 5% of posts in any given discussion were like this one, I might just stop trolling and go back to reading. Eh, who am I kidding - the best comment in the discussion, yours, is pitifully low-scoring and already buried under a ton of slop.

Fight-on, mister dog-food eater. You can rest easy under the notion that I read your comment, and liked it so much I didn't bother to respond with the word "nigger."

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:I told them to fix it (1)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | about a year ago | (#45321605)

If you truly work at Microsoft - tell them there are legions of people that just want a plain old desktop - and not a slick, uncluttered interface shouting "Bling".

Assure them that the apple fan boys love the slick uncluttered stuff, then go straight back to their apple stuff - they won't be switching.

Last job I worked at the apple guys LOVED win 8. They pirated it , played with it - then went right back to their apple stuff. Me, I just cringed and started looking to move to Ubuntu when XP finally dies.

Re:I told them to fix it (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about a year ago | (#45321629)

I'm amazed something like this even passed Quality Control.

Re:I told them to fix it (1)

bondsbw (888959) | about a year ago | (#45321683)

I'm sorry, I don't buy it. ("It" meaning that this is the cause or that you are a Microsoft employee.)

*How* are the mouse coordinates getting messed up? Because the developers at Microsoft can't write scaling code? It's very simple math. A few unit tests and it's golden. Are you telling me, as a Microsoft employee, that your developers can't write unit tests or do basic geometry for one of the primary functions on the project responsible for the biggest profits of one of the richest companies in the world?

Give me a freaking break.

Re:I told them to fix it (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321763)

I worked at a place where a big piece of production code, a 17 year-old MS-DOS application likely written in C or assembler, was nowhere to be found. The executable form was copied and used at least 10 times a day to ship product, and yet nobody knew where the actual code was.

More disturbingly, that same place had implemented FPGA code which was programmed at the board-house, and one of the internal reasons for the big push to our latest product is that nobody now in the company understands that FPGA code, and yet as with the example before those things are used on a daily basis in a production environment. That company is a division of a big and instantly-recognizable name in technology.

One company I worked for that makes optical transceivers for your big-name optical switches/routers/etc. like Juniper used Excel as a database. No shit. The manufacturing test "database" was just one goddamn Excel spreadsheet written to by VB over Labview. I distinctly remember having to manually redraw the border lines to keep up with the resizing of the spreadsheet due to test data constantly being written to the spreadsheet.

And those aren't even the worst of my stories. And I'm just a lowly technician.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:I told them to fix it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321907)

Don't forget this is the company that claimed in a court of law not so many years ago that they:
1) Didn't know how much money they made from sales of their Windows or Office products
2) Couldn't uninstall Internet Explorer as it was an intrinsic part of the operating system
You might need to suspend disbelief a little less...

Re:I told them to fix it (4, Insightful)

DigitAl56K (805623) | about a year ago | (#45321823)

I just want you guys to know that as a developer I have been debugging what I believe to be the side effects resulting from these changes all week. It's not just "mouse co-ordinates" that are affected, you have some very common APIs scaling window co-ordinates in totally unexpected and inconsistent ways now. You have totally broken certain application behaviors, and only in 8.1, and while I found a workaround for my use case I can also see that the workaround I'm using will break more things for others.

Next time you ask yourselves, "should we make these APIs suddenly behave differently than in all older versions of the OS?" there should be a very, very high barrier to saying yes, especially for a service pack release.

The solution to all Windows 8 problems... (4, Insightful)

Cyfun (667564) | about a year ago | (#45321329)

...is to install Windows 7.

Assuming there's driver support.

Re:The solution to all Windows 8 problems... (1)

couchslug (175151) | about a year ago | (#45321497)

Pretty much.

I wait a few years for each MSFT OS to mature before using it on my own machines. "New" Windows releases aren't exciting, they are an annoyance because they demand much change for little benefit.

Re:The solution to all Windows 8 problems... (0)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#45321527)

Doesn't work with the Windows 2012 / Windows 2012R2 RSAT, sorry thanks for playing...

Mouse works fine, Sandy Bridge HDMI not so much (2, Informative)

QQBoss (2527196) | about a year ago | (#45321473)

I installed 8.1 and the first two things I noticed- 1) it reset my icon size to medium, which on my 2560x1440 monitor looks ridiculous and given how they imported all my other settings... why? and 2) the HDMI output of my motherboard stopped working. After installing 8.1, I did some searching and apparently Sandy Bridge was not included in Intel's beta driver development for graphics for 8.1 and there is no known development being done for Sandy Bridge, so if I want to continue using my computer to communicate via the HDMI port to my television I need to upgrade to an Ivy Bridge, drive my 'small' 2nd monitor off of VGA (no fscking way, but supposedly analog ports off of S.B. are working fine- I haven't tested it), or upgrade my video card to one that can drive a 3rd (non-DP) monitor. Yes, I could also switch my DVI 2nd monitor to the mobo and put my TV into the HDMI on my video card, but that causes some really strange window relocation issues when waking out of sleep- I have tried that in the past.

For people using only on-board video via HDMI to their sole monitor and without a desire to upgrade S.B. or buy a new computer, it must be enraging. I guess I am lucky, upgrading this motherboard (ASRock Extreme4 Gen3) to Ivy Bridge was something I was planning to do this month, anyway. For Intel not to include Sandy Bridge, a chip only about 2 years old, in their driver development for 8.1 is pretty lame. A Microsoft suggestion was to reinstall the Intel video drivers with compatibility settings for Win 7 or 8, but that didn't work for me.

Re:Mouse works fine, Sandy Bridge HDMI not so much (0)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#45321677)

You know, VGA has a massive shitload of bandwidth. If you own a decent cable, it's fine.

Re:Mouse works fine, Sandy Bridge HDMI not so much (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321705)

if you think VGA is comparable to anything newer you have never used a very high resolution display or cannot see very well...

that's weird... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321501)

When I upgraded from Mountain Lion to Mavericks my mouse still worked along with everything else! But I guess having a usable computer is what I get for being an iFag who just buys shiny stuff, right?

Re:that's weird... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321585)

If you want my come back you can scrape it off your mother's teeth - Jimmy Carr

not just the mouse (1)

jjbarrows (958997) | about a year ago | (#45321531)

I upgraded and got a helpful "just swipe to see other apps" help bubble stuck on my screen, I don't have a touch screen so couldn't swipe it, and nothing I did with keyboard or mouse would remove it.

I had to Google how to disable help tips and edit the registry - not a friendly os. still haven't got it to boot to desktop instead of metro either

Good lord (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321575)

How the hell does a company that made their billions off the mouse go and screw that up.

mdoD down (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321603)

Of business 4nd

One of a kind (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year ago | (#45321755)

An OS update that breaks something that was working before?

Only Microsoft....

Touchpads, on the other hand.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321783)

...were already broken in 8.0 with all that swipe and hot corner crap.

Win8.1 borked a lot of things (1)

BLToday (1777712) | about a year ago | (#45321785)

I just did the update on my Surface today. Not a happy experience.
Took 2+ hrs to download a 2.1GB install. Took another hour or so to install. Then download all the updates for another 30 minutes.

Win8.1 borked a lot of things:
1) Maps application on my Surface has stopped working
2) Forcing signing to a Microsoft account when you restart until you fail signing in 3-5 times then it lets you do a local account
3) IE has been crashing on me constantly. Could just be ESPN.com doing something weird. But it wasn't do it before.

Re:Win8.1 borked a lot of things (2)

Microlith (54737) | about a year ago | (#45321931)

Forcing signing to a Microsoft account when you restart until you fail signing in 3-5 times then it lets you do a local account

I hated that. At least you could easily skip it in the original Windows 8 setup. The other solution is to disable network connectivity, it then will let you skip creation of a Microsoft account.

It's probably the most underhanded way I've ever seen to try and herd people into your services.

spyware (0)

najay (733875) | about a year ago | (#45321831)

somebody must have screwed up the mandated NSA mouse logger daemon

Great euphemism! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321857)

Microsoft's been borking my mouse for over 15 years now!

This happened because (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | about a year ago | (#45321865)

no one in QA uses a mouse? WTF?

A Deeper Problem With Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321947)

Microsoft still tows the line, One-Computer One-Desktop One-User.

This philosophy and mind-set is abhorrent to UNIX and Linux.

This Microsoft, aka micro management, mindset is the Achilles Heal to Kill Microsoft and its human hosts should a "Company" Dare.

Where Eagles Dare.

It gets worse. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45321999)

Try a mighty mouse and firefox and let me know what you think.
Just use it for awhile it will hit.

MS knew the Win8.1 DPI scaling was messed, yet (4, Insightful)

Gordo_1 (256312) | about a year ago | (#45322071)

still released it that way in spite of the problems. Arrogance is the only logical explanation.

This has been a well documented problem from earlier preview builds and was specifically not fixed in the RTM code because... well because MS seems to think it can make unilaterally bad UI decisions again and again and get away with it.

Try setting your Win8.1 display to 150% on a 1920x1200 monitor. This is exactly where I've used WinXP, WinVista, Win7 and Win8, yet in Win8.1, a random assortment of applications (including many MS utilities and 3rd-party programs) deliver barely readable fuzzy characters. At least in Win8.0, you could set a master switch to tell the OS to disable DPI scaling, but in their infinite wisdom, some group within MS decided that to hell with useability, they're going to simply remove the master switch and force ALL users to disable DPI scaling on an app by app basis, making it bloody well a gargantuan effort to avoid either fuzzy or tiny text.

It's absolutely appalling... About as appalling as MS deciding that Win8.0 users shouldn't be able to boot into desktop mode on a non-touchscreen device and then completely removing the start menu as if giving the middle finger to the existing install base was some kind of magical shortcut back to a dominant market position.

If you're arrogant, but generally make good or at least non-destructive UI decisions, most people will forgive you. When you're arrogant and make butthead UI decisions, well, then you're MS.

  They've managed to marry Apple's arrogance with butthead UI decisions.

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