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The Silk Road Is Back

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the somebody-else-wants-to-go-to-jail dept.

Crime 261

Daniel_Stuckey writes "Silk Road is rising from the dead. After the FBI seized the deep web's favourite illegal drug market and arrested its alleged founder Ross Ulbricht last month (for, among other things, ordering a hit through his own website), the online-marketplace-cum-libertarian-movement has found a new home and opened for business at 16:20 GMT this afternoon. In the wake of the original Silk Road's closure, everything became a little turbulent for its users. First, they had to get used to not getting high-quality, peer-reviewed drugs delivered direct to their sofas. (Though presumably they didn't stop getting high, instead forced back to the 'mystery mix' street dealers and surly ex-Balkan war criminals who have spent years filling cities with drugs at night.) Some users were pissed off that they'd lost all the Bitcoin wealth they'd amassed, or that paid-for orders would go undelivered, while small-time dealers freaked out about how they suddenly lacked the funds to pay off debts owed to drug sellers higher up the food chain."

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Another bitcoin short-sell opportunity coming (0, Troll)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#45347643)

Just short-sell bitcoins when it goes away again.

Re:Another bitcoin short-sell opportunity coming (4, Insightful)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about a year ago | (#45347767)

Bitcoins went way up shortly after Silk Road was shut down because the Chinese took interest, so that's extremely risky. Do not assume that Bitcoin value is tied to availability of politically incorrect drugs sold for bitcoins.

Re:Another bitcoin short-sell opportunity coming (5, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year ago | (#45347935)

Bitcoin was at $130ish when Silk Road shut down. Then there was hand waiving about a "crash." It "crashed" all the way to $100.

As I write this it looks like Mt. Gox is $265.

You're whole posit is bullshit.

Re:Another bitcoin short-sell opportunity coming (0)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year ago | (#45347949)

You're whole posit ISN'T bullshit, but my reading is.

Re:Another bitcoin short-sell opportunity coming (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about a year ago | (#45348313)

LOL

Re:Another bitcoin short-sell opportunity coming (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348473)

You're whole posit ISN'T bullshit, but my reading is.

Your writing is. Seriously, Micky, you're ESL?

Re:Another bitcoin short-sell opportunity coming (0)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#45349017)

Bitcoin value isn't attached to anything.

Thats just like, your opinion man. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347661)

I for one am excited.

Re:Thats just like, your opinion man. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347967)

Is Bitcoin good or is it whack?

Re:Thats just like, your opinion man. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348831)

I pity the fool that just says no to drugs.

-- B.A.rack Obama.

YAY !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347675)

For Evil !!

Re:YAY !! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347761)

People have a product to sell.
Other people desire this product.
Person A sells this product to person B.

This is capitalism. it's not evil. Nobody is directly harmed in this transaction, and both parties got what they wanted. This is a good thing!

note, I said "directly harmed." it is possible somebody may have been indirectly harmed by violence perpetrated by deranged criminals who are involved in the supply chain due to the fact that this activity is currently deemed illegal. note, it's not illegal because it is run by criminals, no it is run by criminals because it is illegal. There's a big difference.

Re:YAY !! (5, Insightful)

jythie (914043) | about a year ago | (#45347941)

Well, that depends on the details of what the transaction actually was. SilkRoad was involved in a lot of things besides harmless recreational drugs, including quite a few products and services that were intended to hurt people.

Just like being illegal does not automatically make something unethical, being illegal but in demand does not automatically make something ethical either.

Re:YAY !! (4, Interesting)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about a year ago | (#45348393)

True. The freakiest thing I saw when taking a look at SR was large amounts of cyanide from one vendor. I haven't heard about mass-poisonings, but making it that easy for a crazy to hurt a lot of people is very worrying. Other black-market sites I researched were worse, with guns available to anyone in addition to the poison and dangerous drugs.

It seems to me that we shouldn't be banning reasonably safe in-demand products because having products that mainstream people want only available though the black market, enables the terrible things that also go on there. A drug should have to be really destructive like Meth to be banned.

Re:YAY !! (2)

Applekid (993327) | about a year ago | (#45348467)

True. The freakiest thing I saw when taking a look at SR was large amounts of cyanide from one vendor. I haven't heard about mass-poisonings, but making it that easy for a crazy to hurt a lot of people is very worrying.

Does cyanide have no uses other than poisoning? I don't know, but I presume someone who does know and is interested in playing with the stuff would rather pick it up black market than try to procure it legally and be added to a watch list somewhere.

Re:YAY !! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348579)

Cyanides are useful in making dyes and certain metal plating processes, among other things.

recover gold from electronic waste (3, Informative)

rewindustry (3401253) | about a year ago | (#45348915)

key resource in many street level recovery industries - cheap, dangerous and dirty, unfortunately.

Re:YAY !! (1)

jythie (914043) | about a year ago | (#45348613)

Drugs are always a tricky issue when it comes to legality. There is always this tricky balance between personal freedom and social good, esp when it comes to the highly addictive ones.

A while back there was a research group trying to devise a chemical cocktail that had the pleasant recreational elements of various drugs (they were working on booze specifically) but without the addiction or health issues. Now there would be a blockbuster that could change the world....

Re:YAY !! (4, Insightful)

BradMajors (995624) | about a year ago | (#45348987)

There already exists recreational drugs without addiction or health issues... they are also all illegal.

Re:YAY !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347983)

People have a product to sell. Other people desire this product. Person A sells this product to person B.

This is capitalism. it's not evil. Nobody is directly harmed in this transaction, and both parties got what they wanted. This is a good thing!

You should be careful how you word that, Silk Road had a (not always well policed) policy against it, but other black market Bitcoin-based market places have been selling children, women and hitman services, among other things. For real. You could still say "People have a product to sell. Other people desire this product. Person A sells this product to person B", but I would disagree on the "not evil or directly harmed".

Re:YAY !! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348309)

People have a product to sell.
Other people desire this product.
Person A sells this product to person B.

This is capitalism. it's not evil. Nobody is directly harmed in this transaction, and both parties got what they wanted. This is a good thing!

You should be careful how you word that, Silk Road had a (not always well policed) policy against it, but other black market Bitcoin-based market places have been selling children, women and hitman services, among other things. For real. You could still say "People have a product to sell. Other people desire this product. Person A sells this product to person B", but I would disagree on the "not evil or directly harmed".

Original point still stands. Neither A nor B, who were the parties to the transaction, were directly harmed. That's capitalism between A and B. Party C (a slave) is not a party to the transaction, they are the goods being sold.

Mod parent up for ridicule. (5, Insightful)

GodInHell (258915) | about a year ago | (#45348477)

Your point is so nuts that the only appropriate response is to hold it up to the light for people to observe exactly how deep the well of objectivism can go.

Re:YAY !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348171)

...This is capitalism. it's not evil...

LOL

Re:YAY !! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348243)

This is capitalism. it's not evil. Nobody is directly harmed in this transaction, and both parties got what they wanted. This is a good thing!

This is debatable, at best. Modern capitalism is theoretically founded in modern economics, which, guess what, uses utilitarian ethics for value. The utility A and B derived from the transaction may or may not offset the utility lost to everybody else. If it doesn't, then the transaction is not efficient, and rational actors should not perform it.

Of course, this is where libertarianism falls flat on its face. Your transaction incurs costs on others, and you are irrational if you do not take those costs into account.

Re:YAY !! (1)

Russ1642 (1087959) | about a year ago | (#45347787)

Supposedly the transactions are safer this way. I'd rather them meet online than on the street where I live.

HOLY LOLI HONEYPOT EXPLOZION, BATAMAN! (4, Insightful)

Thud457 (234763) | about a year ago | (#45347881)

On teh intarwebs, no one can tell you're a FED.

Yea, Right! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347681)

I've never seen nor participated in Silk Road. But, you'd have to be an utter moron to participate in the Silk Road "Phoenix"! It is sure to be either an FBI honey pot or a scammer looking to steal BitCoin.

Go ahead, prove me wrong.

Re:Yea, Right! (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about a year ago | (#45348053)

My thoughts exactly.
I am surprised that law enforcement allowed it to be shut down in the first place. They should have taken it over, and run it for a few months, track every transaction, and then come down hard on all the dealers.
Or just sit back and bust the top seller every month. Someone else will always step up to fill the gap, and some smart cop looks like a hero to his/her superiors.

Re:Yea, Right! (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year ago | (#45348127)

They already got all the site data, I guess they didn't like the idea of using as a farm to raise easily bustable kingpins with.

Re:Yea, Right! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348709)

Having browsed SR through a web gateway, the deals being offered were mostly very small quantities. Probably not many kingpins there.

Re:Yea, Right! (0)

Applekid (993327) | about a year ago | (#45348511)

My thoughts exactly.

I am surprised that law enforcement allowed it to be shut down in the first place. They should have taken it over, and run it for a few months, track every transaction, and then come down hard on all the dealers.

Or just sit back and bust the top seller every month. Someone else will always step up to fill the gap, and some smart cop looks like a hero to his/her superiors.

The problem with those ideas, of which the police and politicians are most certainly aware, is that any extremely effective method of catching bad guys will eventually put themselves out of business right along with the criminals. They need to only be effective enough to steal enough people away into The System (of prisons, poverty, indentured servitude into perpetuity for themselves and their offspring in a cycle), but not so effective that the reaction stops breeding.

Re:Yea, Right! (4, Insightful)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about a year ago | (#45348661)

Like the old saying goes: You follow drugs, you get drug dealers and drug users. You start to follow the money, and you don't know where the fuck it's gonna go.

Re:Yea, Right! (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about a year ago | (#45348649)

The internet equivalent of sitting on the stash house and making cases off the mules going in and out? Unfortunately, most modern law enforcement doesn't have a view of a horizon that far away. They go for the low hanging fruit and move on, instead of taking down the whole ring.

Maybe the CIA... (1)

swb (14022) | about a year ago | (#45348881)

...has taken it over and going to run it as a profit center to support whatever off-the-books black ops they are running, as well as provide a long-term intelligence gathering center for transnational organized crime and drug dealing.

Re:Yea, Right! (2)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#45348067)

"God exist! Go head, prove me wrong!"

It doesn't work like that.

Re:Yea, Right! (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | about a year ago | (#45348501)

"It's a trap!"
- Admiral Gial Ackbar

Not really news (5, Insightful)

jonbryce (703250) | about a year ago | (#45347689)

Lots of silk roads have opened up since the original one was raided. Some have taken orders, collected the money and done a runner with it. Some presumably are still operating. Some will be fronts and honeytraps set up by various law enforcement bodies around the world. Some will be real genuine marketplaces. Nobody knows for sure which ones are the genuine ones.

Re:Not really news (2)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about a year ago | (#45347885)

That seems to be the way it was setup.
The anonymity that protected the Silk Road now protects scammers and police.

Re:Not really news (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about a year ago | (#45348025)

Lots of silk roads have opened up since the original one was raided. Some have taken orders, collected the money and done a runner with it. Some presumably are still operating. Some will be fronts and honeytraps set up by various law enforcement bodies around the world. Some will be real genuine marketplaces. Nobody knows for sure which ones are the genuine ones.

They should have called the new one(s) "Project Spartacus"....

Re:Not really news (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348039)

Lots of silk roads have opened up since the original one was raided. Some have taken orders, collected the money and done a runner with it. Some presumably are still operating. Some will be fronts and honeytraps set up by various law enforcement bodies around the world. Some will be real genuine marketplaces. Nobody knows for sure which ones are the genuine ones.

Correction, no one knows for sure but Brian Krebs.

Re:Not really news (0)

eneville (745111) | about a year ago | (#45348061)

How does that differ from real life dealings?

Re:Not really news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348871)

How is this not a real life dealing?

Re:Not really news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348373)

Some have taken orders, collected the money and done a runner with it.

Say, that's not a bad idea. Sounds way easier than actually providing the service.

The Silk Road Is Dead. (2)

Gravis Zero (934156) | about a year ago | (#45347695)

Long Live The Silk Road.

Re:The Silk Road Is Dead. (4, Funny)

Gravis Zero (934156) | about a year ago | (#45347709)

to be clear, i do not support the Silk Road.

Re:The Silk Road Is Dead. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347973)

To be clear, I completely support the concept of a free, anonymous marketplace. Silk Road itself? Maybe not so much, because clearly, the owner wasn't an honest businessman or operator. (I don't care about what's "legal". Much more important factors, such as what's ethical come into play, and paying for hits on your competitors is unacceptable by any moral or ethical code I know of.)

I have zero interest in recreational drugs -- but if others do? So be it. There should be a marketplace for them to buy, sell or even trade them around as they see fit. If such a thing was openly accepted, we'd see a lot less violent street crime.

Re:The Silk Road Is Dead. (0)

TheCarp (96830) | about a year ago | (#45348117)

> (I don't care about what's "legal". Much more important factors, such as what's ethical come into
> play, and paying for hits on your competitors is unacceptable by any moral or ethical code I know
> of.)

All things being equal I want to agree but, lets do remember the context was a blackmail situation.
He was literally being threatened with being raided and arrested, a situation that can be fatal on several points, both during arrest and while in prison. He was facing the threat of serious violent action.

Does this justify murder? Meh, I am not so sure it does or doesn't. It almost makes it a form of self defence. I, for example, think he would have a more justified case of self defence than say.... excuses for starting the was in Iraq or Afghanistan.

In a very real way, he was a victim in this case. I have a harder time blaming a victim trying to deal with the threat being made to him than someone who simply tried to kill for profit motive or for some personal grudge.

The real tragedy is the situation that created silk road and created a situation where he was a perfect target for a con artist looking to blackmail him. If not for laws against the informed transactions between consenting adults, the site would not exist and he would not have been threatened by con artists looking to take him.

The only thing that would make sense... (4, Interesting)

eexaa (1252378) | about a year ago | (#45347699)

...is that this instance is run by FBI.

I don't see other reason why anyone would take the risk without - at least - a massive security technology change.

Re:The only thing that would make sense... (5, Insightful)

Urza9814 (883915) | about a year ago | (#45347915)

The 'massive security upgrade' could be that this one isn't run by a goddamn moron....

Re:The only thing that would make sense... (3, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year ago | (#45348149)

This. The guy was a multi-millionaire but couldn't be assed to make fake ID cards in-house or separate his identity as Silk Road admin from one he used on the web to promote the site, among many other things. Someone smart behind the wheel would have made it unstoppable.

Re:The only thing that would make sense... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45349077)

He wasn't a multi-millionaire; he was living in someone else's crappy apartment in Frisco.

He had "millions of dollars worth of Bitcoin", sure. The dirty secret is that large, non-hobbyist amounts of buttcoin are not easily redeemable for real money. Sorry, slipup there, I meant "filthy fiat debt-currency" or whatever.

Re:The only thing that would make sense... (2)

rcs1000 (462363) | about a year ago | (#45348037)

According to the FBI, Ulbright pulled in $85m of commissions in about three years.

With profits like that, I suspect quite a few people will be happy to risk a little bit of jail time.

Re:The only thing that would make sense... (2)

stewsters (1406737) | about a year ago | (#45348363)

Especially if you live in some 3rd world country where they don't care if you sell drugs as long as you can pay the Generalissimo. The location of the server makes little difference in a dark net.

Re:The only thing that would make sense... (4, Informative)

Hatta (162192) | about a year ago | (#45348041)

The technology was not what got the Silk Road raided. The technology is fine, it's user error that's the problem. Ulbricht failed to fully compartmentalize his Dread Pirate Roberts identity, and that's what got him busted.

Re:The only thing that would make sense... (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about a year ago | (#45348607)

I have nothing but praise for Fabulous Bud Industries. Fast shipping, good stealth, would buy again.

Re:The only thing that would make sense... (1)

lgw (121541) | about a year ago | (#45348965)

In central Florida there's a company called "Florida Business Interiors" with vans all over the place. Those always cracked me up.

Seems legit.. (5, Funny)

selfabuse (681350) | about a year ago | (#45347701)

of course it's not a honeypot. What would ever make you think that?

Re:Seems legit.. (5, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year ago | (#45347747)

The nsa.gov/silkroad URL?

Re:Seems legit.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348129)

It's a Tor hidden service, so the URL would be silkroad2{F81h0n3yPo7}.onion

Re:Seems legit.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348559)

that's just to throw the feds off. Why would they monitor their own systems? It's brilliant.

Re:Seems legit.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348043)

You took my joke, FUCKER

Well played

no (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347703)

link ?

FBI tradition? (1, Interesting)

zAPPzAPP (1207370) | about a year ago | (#45347713)

Traditionally, domains and servers sized by the FBI become honeypots afterwards, right?
I would be disappointed if they were to break with this convenient reallocation of resources now.

Re:FBI tradition? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348519)

Traditionally, slashdot users knew the difference between a .com domain and an .onion domain... Traditions change...

Others have already taken over (2)

data2 (1382587) | about a year ago | (#45347739)

Other have already taken over. It might not yet be as trusted as Silk Road was, but there are alternate platforms that were just waiting for the big one to go away and took over without a problem. Too much money to be gained in a fairly secure market. Just don't be from the US but from Russia or somewhere where they don't bother going after someone mostly facilitating sales in the US and Europe.

A Tragedy! (1)

HtR (240250) | about a year ago | (#45347749)

OMG!
For the love of god, think of the drug dealers!

drugs are bad mkay (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#45347785)

drugs are bad mkay

Re:drugs are bad mkay (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347829)

drugs are bad

We need to outlaw pharmacies and retrain our health workers in the use of leeches and poultices

Re:drugs are bad mkay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348417)

I misread that as "leeches and politicians" and wondered why you were being redundant.

Re:drugs are bad mkay (2)

game kid (805301) | about a year ago | (#45348483)

Leeches never really left the drugstore. They evolved into the strange lifeforms we now call "Health Maintenance Organizations".

Re:drugs are bad mkay (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year ago | (#45347845)

Tell that to Pfizer and UnitedHealthcare. And the US Senate, for that matter.

Re:drugs are bad mkay (1)

msobkow (48369) | about a year ago | (#45348019)

Personally I don't do drugs. But I use medical cannabis to manage my migraines and arthritis.

There is nothing quite as effective as traditional herbal medication.

Slashvertisement with free gift (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347753)

Now you can have free reporting bias with your Slashvertisements!
I imagine they're paying off the editors with "merchandise". It would explain a lot.

Priorities (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347755)

The "authorities" have plenty of resources to go after this non-sense; but have no time to investigate the $BILLIONS of fraud and laundering by the banksters... and also, found the time to go after Mark Cuban for some trumped-up BS..

The world makes perfect sense. /s

GMT?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347833)

GMT is soooo last century.

Oh, good (5, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | about a year ago | (#45347839)

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford is very happy to hear about that.

Re:Oh, good (5, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | about a year ago | (#45347851)

Waitaminute. I didn't post that.

Okay, maybe I did, but I was probably in a drunken stupor when it happened so that's okay.

Re:Oh, good (0)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year ago | (#45347919)

Who do you think you are? Obama?

Re:Oh, good (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year ago | (#45348669)

Who do you think you are? Obama?

Good try, but this was a little further north [google.com] .

I suspect this will be looked at as one of the great political suicide speaches of all time.

Re:Oh, good (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about a year ago | (#45347929)

I may have done that while in a drunken stupor

Is going to replace suspots as my go-to excuse for all and anything from now on. Since apparently it's acceptable justification for even the most unacceptable of behavior.
Hell, I see a resurgence in the three-martini lunch from here on out.

Re:Oh, good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348455)

Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Obligatory XKCD (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348311)

Re:Oh, good (1)

Sir_Eptishous (873977) | about a year ago | (#45348719)

This is fascinating!

How could this guy:

But until Tuesday, Rob Ford, the mayor of multicultural, eco-conscious, politically correct Toronto, had vehemently denied a persistent report about a video that showed him smoking crack cocaine.

Get elected as mayor of Toronto?

But until this one, the episodes only seemed to reinforce Mr. Ford’s standing among his core constituency, what he calls the Ford Nation, of disenchanted, right-of-center suburbanites. Now his mayoralty is in serious doubt.

A welcome relief (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45347895)

Stockpiling all this Jenkem wasn't a shitty idea after all! I'm looking forward to a crapload of sales. I'm sure this new Silk Road will be flush with success!

Weighing the possibilities (5, Insightful)

J'raxis (248192) | about a year ago | (#45347959)

It could be a honeypot, but since everything done through a site like Silk Road is anonymous except receipt of delivery of items, the only users of the site the FBI would catch would be the drug buyers. Sellers, provided they're not using an OS or browser with the vulnerabilities that the FBI has used to de-anonymize TOR users in the past, and provided they don't do something dumb when they mail a package like reveal their identity, are safe. And since when is the FBI interested in going after drug buyers? Typically they only bust such small-time participants in the drug trade to get them to rat on their dealers, but that obviously won't work when your dealer is anonymous.

Or am I missing something here? My understanding was that Silk Road did things entirely through TOR and Bitcoin, meaning that those ends of the transactions are (excepting user stupidity) completely anonymous.

Re:Weighing the possibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348081)

since everything done through a site like Silk Road is anonymous except receipt of delivery of items

What, you think you know who that tweaker was who dropped your oxycodone off last night? Yeah right. He is as good as anonymous here, don't bother with making the distinction.

Re: Weighing the possibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348093)

If you net a bunch of sys admins from this slashvertisement, maybe you can turn them into assets that keep the doors open for the FBI or NSA at their respective companies.

Re:Weighing the possibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348159)

You are missing two major points:
1. To governments, TOR is not as anonymous as you would like to believe
2. Bitcoins are not perfectly anonymous. All transactions for all time are public and a little bit of information goes a long way toward de-anonymizing you. For instance you do business with a wallet, then someone else can do business with the same wallet and figure out all the other wallets. Then they can use time to figure out a set of probable IPs for those wallets. After you make a few transactions, your IP moves to the top of the probability pile.

Re:Weighing the possibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348565)

But you forget that I'm using the infinite improbability wallet

Re:Weighing the possibilities (4, Informative)

JWSmythe (446288) | about a year ago | (#45348731)

There is the glaring privacy hole.

At some point, the physical package will be shipped from Point A to Point B.

It's obvious that carriers like UPS and FedEx already track every detail of a package from pickup to delivery. You can get those details from their web site with the tracking number.

Shipping using USPS seemed "safer". It came out a few months ago that it isn't. [nytimes.com]

A private courier is more expensive, and adds the ability to track the package closer, especially if the feds are the sending party.

Even in the case of the Dread Pirate Roberts hiring a hitman, there is a real-world endpoint. They know who has the contract on their head, they'd only have to investigate why to find out who ordered it.

So even if TOR was perfectly anonymous (It's good, but...), and if bitcoins were anonymous (again, good, but...), it's still easy to catch one or both ends of the transaction.

Re:Weighing the possibilities (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348337)

If it's a honeypot, they may not even bother trying to snare any dealers, just buyers. Fear is like salt: sow enough of it in the field, and you can kill off that field. The buyers will go back to their friendly, neighborhood Bosnian war criminals instead, because they're less likely to get busted.

If they do, however, go for sellers, remember that Postal Inspectors were busting mail-order pornographers before you were born and before drugs were cool. They know how to find someone selling products through the mail. It's what they do for a living.

Re:Weighing the possibilities (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | about a year ago | (#45348771)

But I don't know any Bosnian war criminals. Where am I suppose to purchase gently used fully automatic weapons at rock bottom prices?

Re:Weighing the possibilities (1)

steelfood (895457) | about a year ago | (#45348641)

You have to look at what they have now that they didn't have before, assuming it's a honeypot. Likely, they have detailed information of the transactions of their users, everything from the IP of the incoming TOR node to the amount and type of transactions a particular user was party to. And they can probably

I think they're still waiting for their users to slip up, reveal their real names or do some other silly thing to expose themselves. But now they don't need to set up sting operations on any potential suspects. Instead, they can simply arrest them, as the transaction logs are proof of misconduct.

Re:Weighing the possibilities (1)

steelfood (895457) | about a year ago | (#45348673)

Whoops, never finished that thought. They can probably determine which time zone the user mostly is in from the logs alone.

Drugwars (1)

Dishwasha (125561) | about a year ago | (#45348009)

Obligatory Drugwars [wikipedia.org] link

The real Roberts has been retired 15 years... (0)

NoImNotNineVolt (832851) | about a year ago | (#45348103)

Good night, Westley. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning.

Did they REALLY ever bust Silk Road? (1)

dresgarcia (251585) | about a year ago | (#45348361)

Anyone who was on and followed what happened when they "busted" SR, should be skeptical across the board. THe orignal takedown notice was not a real FBI one the SR site. . . it had the SR logo on it. DPR is almost certainly not one person anyway, that is even revealed in the interviews that the guy who was busted gave. I guess, however, we can all make assumptions. . . and assume the mass media has accurately reported this from the beginning.

After all, they were so accurate when the Boston bombing occured. . .right? http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/04/wrongly-accused-boston-bombing-suspects-sunil-tripathi.html

It's a TWAP (1)

Ralph Michael De Leon (3387837) | about a year ago | (#45348529)

No really..it's a trap. Obviously the NSA has "resurrected" the SR to lure you poor guppies into a giant net of "why don't you have a seat over there"....oop be right back there's a knock at my door... *Never heard from again

whats the url? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45348697)

whats the real url? or is it still the same?

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