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A Playstation 4 Teardown

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the urge-to-investigate dept.

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Dave Knott writes "Just over one week ahead of the launch of the Playstation 4, Wired has posted an article with a full teardown of Sony's new device. In an accompanying video Sony engineering director Yasuhiro Ootori dismantles the PS4 piece by piece, describing each component and showing just what is contained inside the sleek black box."

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How nice of them! (4, Funny)

CCarrot (1562079) | about 6 months ago | (#45358397)

That's super of them, to give the modders a head start like that!

Re:How nice of them! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358913)

I didn't see the rootkit. Whare's that hiding?

Re:How nice of them! (1)

CCarrot (1562079) | about 6 months ago | (#45358951)

I didn't see the rootkit. Whare's that hiding?

Ah well, they have to keep some mystery in the relationship after all...

Is anyone giving money to Sony? (-1, Flamebait)

metrix007 (200091) | about 6 months ago | (#45358411)

Sure, people who don't care any like the games...

But surely Sony have left a bad taste in many peoples mouths, with removing promised features, poor security after getting hacked several times, DRM rootkits, propriety crap instead of standards...

It feels weird to say it, but XBOX is clearly the better platform here.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (5, Insightful)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 6 months ago | (#45358445)

Sure, people who don't care any like the games...

But surely Sony have left a bad taste in many peoples mouths, with removing promised features, poor security after getting hacked several times, DRM rootkits, propriety crap instead of standards...

It feels weird to say it, but XBOX is clearly the better platform here.

Paid shill anyone? Did you forget the Eye of Sauron on the Xbox One? Did you forget how Microsoft initially was not going to allow resale of games? How much does Microsoft pay you? The XBox 360 had a proprietary HD while the PS3 had a standard HD that was end user replaceable.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (-1, Flamebait)

metrix007 (200091) | about 6 months ago | (#45358627)

Are you fucking retarded?

I've been around on here longer than idiots like you have been accusing anyone who promotes one product over another as being a shill.

Microsoft made a lot of shitty claims, but they REVERSED them.

Sony continually fucked consumers over. Microsoft did too, just not as much.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358707)

are you fucking retarded?

being here longer than someone else doesn't mean you're not a shill... if you were a shill, i would expect you to be here all day every day for a very long time to attempt to establish credibility.

one claim you didn't make: "i am not a shill"

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359267)

Kristopeit, welcome back!

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359289)

Did you stop beating your wife?

The guy got a little defensive, but we need to think about it before just yelling "Shill". The guy relustantly picked the XBOX 1 over PS4, I don't see where that makes him a shill. The MS hate here can get a bit thick at times. Not every single thing they make is universally reviled and hated. Someone can have a positive thing to say about MS without being paid to say it.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | about 6 months ago | (#45359349)

Not every single thing they make is universally reviled and hated. Someone can have a positive thing to say about MS without being paid to say it.

I've just started learning C# and kinda like it so far.

Does that count?

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (-1)

JavaBear (9872) | about 6 months ago | (#45359121)

6 digit Slashdot ID?
That's cute. Come back when your ears are dry, if "time around here" matters one iota.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359181)

trollolol. such nerd rage over brand worship.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (1)

Skarecrow77 (1714214) | about 6 months ago | (#45359279)

Sony kept their plans to fuck the consumer hidden until they executed them.

Microsoft laid out their plans to fuck the consumer right from the very start.

I'm not sure I understand how that makes MS better than Sony? If you believe that a "reversal" today means they've changed their long term plans for the console's ecosystem at the drop of a had... well I've got a bridge to sell ya.

I'll let you in on a little tip. Just like with political parties, thinking one side is completely full of self-serving shit doesn't mean the other side is any better at all.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358681)

The XBox 360 had a proprietary HD while the PS3 had a standard HD that was end user replaceable.

No, it did not. It had a proprietary HD enclosure, which could be bought on ebay for a small amount then the end user could supply their own drive.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (1)

MachDelta (704883) | about 6 months ago | (#45358777)

Actually, older PS3's didn't require anything but the new drive. AFAIK It was only starting with the slim models that you had to buy the bracket too.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (2)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 6 months ago | (#45358831)

. It had a proprietary HD enclosure, which could be bought on ebay for a small amount then the end user could supply their own drive.

"Fat" PS3's don't have the "enclosure", and with the slims, you can just take the enclosure off the old drive.

Other than that, Standard SATA.

PS2 HDD's on the other hand are "blessed", you need a "blessed" HDD if you want to use it with softare that supports the HDD. That doesn't apply to PS2 Linux though, you can use any PATA drive with that.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 6 months ago | (#45358975)

I think he meant 360, which requires a special MS blessed firmware. I believe they are/were banning people who managed to use non-approved drives.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359101)

They were not; I used a non-approved HDD for years until my 360 got stolen during a burglary. It was super-easy to accidentally brick a hard drive trying to get the damn firmware on it, but buying a generic hard drive was less than half the price of a first-party one, so...

They banned consoles (not Live accounts, but consoles by serial number) for using non-approved optical drives, because those were used for piracy. That's where the confusion came in.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358899)

The XBox 360 had a proprietary HD while the PS3 had a standard HD that was end user replaceable.

No, it did not. It had a proprietary HD enclosure, which could be bought on ebay for a small amount then the end user could supply their own drive.

It used a standard model hard drive with proprietary firmware. You can't just take any old off-the-shelf drive and slap it in the enclosure, it won't work [pcworld.com]

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359069)

Yes It did. Xbox had their own HD enclosure and it only worked with the specific model of HD. Plus you needed the specific software from the HD in order for it to recognize the new HD. While the PS3 you just had to replace the drive with any HD model. I know because I updated both machines.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (5, Interesting)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about 6 months ago | (#45359199)

That's not true. The drives also had a digital signature on them to make them work with the 360. No signature and the drive wouldn't work. The signature was tied to the drive capacity, serial number and model number.

People hacked around this by putting custom firmware on drives that gave it the serial number and model number of another drive. You then could copy the digital signature from that drive and get as much storage as that signature allowed. So, for example, if you copied the signature from a 60GB drive you got 60GB of storage even if you have a 200GB drive.

So no, it wasn't just a proprietary enclosure. And the process of duplicating that signature violated the DMCA. Hacking/duplicating firmware probably did too.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (2, Interesting)

GNious (953874) | about 6 months ago | (#45359159)

Did you notice Sony will only let you watch streamed Video and Music sold to you by them?
No DLNA support
No USB support
No using a PS4 for home media

I've been called a paid Sony Shill on these forums, and I'm now saying that the XBox is the best all-round device for the next generation.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (1)

bmcage (785177) | about 6 months ago | (#45359361)

Did you notice Sony will only let you watch streamed Video and Music sold to you by them? No DLNA support No USB support No using a PS4 for home media

I've been called a paid Sony Shill on these forums, and I'm now saying that the XBox is the best all-round device for the next generation.

I used PS3 for streaming over DLNA. Now I use a dedicated tool that gives me actual freedom. I bought the PS3 because of those possibilities, that is true, but now that I used it, I would hope the PS4 is just really good at games. Sony-non-gaming only wants cinavia and other crap to add on those things.

As to the PS4, as all these things are essentially just software, I'm personally convinced they will add them eventually, after trying an itunes approach or collaboration with a specific provider per country via an app. If those fail, they will/can add them.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359355)

Did you forget how Microsoft initially was not going to allow resale of games?

When you are trying to go entirely digital with your platform, that makes complete f-ing sense! Regardless, they walked the Steam model right back.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 6 months ago | (#45358511)

clearly? in what clear way? neither of the systems have announced must have titles, so there...

but you should really remember that practically all of first year xbox360's are by now _broken_ by shit manufacturing+design. that's like removing _all_ features.

but yeah have fun with your metroxbox... that totally doesn't send everything you say to ms for analysis.. only the things you meant for it to search ;D

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358533)

Are you retarded? Sony might be shit, but Microsoft is still worse in practically every regard. At least Sony, Nintendo and Valve have a few decent games.

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (2)

amiga3D (567632) | about 6 months ago | (#45358841)

I love this kind of fanboyism. My platform isn't quite as shitty as yours. Great.

Unlike Microsoft who DEMANDS money for net connect (4, Informative)

Marrow (195242) | about 6 months ago | (#45358825)

I still cannot believe that in order to run streaming apps like Netflix or Hulu I have to purchase xbox live just to get the ethernet adapter to work. 50 bucks a year to turn on the ethernet adapter seems a little pricey.

Re:Unlike Microsoft who DEMANDS money for net conn (-1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 6 months ago | (#45359097)

You're expected to already have a live account for downloading games and multi-player, so that's not an inconvenience for most people that actually use it as a game console. You should be using something like a Roku if you just wanted to stream Netflix or Hulu.

Re:Unlike Microsoft who DEMANDS money for net conn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359145)

I can do netflix or hulu from more than half of what is connected in the living room. To me, PS+ is the same crap as Xbox Live and I'm tempted to not buy either console because of it.

Re:Unlike Microsoft who DEMANDS money for net conn (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 6 months ago | (#45359297)

I use the Ethernet adapter without paying MS a dime more than the one off cost of the xbox360 itself - I just use local dlna servers...

Re:Is anyone giving money to Sony? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358929)

>It feels weird to say it, but XBOX is clearly the better platform here.

If you want to spend $100 more for less competent hardware to play the games (the things that matters), I guess... sure.

Still Not Sure... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358471)

what my next console is going to be. Guess I will wait and see what happens in the ensuing months.

Re:Still Not Sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358609)

I'm astonished that neither one did the obvious lock-in tactic of backwards compatibility. If I could transfer all my Xbox 360 crap over to a new Xbox, the decision would already be made, and ditto for anyone I know with an PS3 transferring to a PS4. But since neither of them bothered, it's an open market.

Re:Still Not Sure... (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 6 months ago | (#45358739)

I'm astonished that neither one did the obvious lock-in tactic of backwards compatibility.

You do realize that they're based around completely different hardware?

I'd guess that emulating the old hardware on what is effectively a low-end PC would not be easy. Even PS2 emulators were struggling on PCs until hardware caught up a few years ago.

Re:Still Not Sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358821)

Well, yeah, but PS2 games were written in bare MIPS assembly half the damn time (which was an upgrade to the PS1, where they were in asm all the damn time) whereas the Xbox360 was all DirectX calls. High-level emulation would probably get you 75% there, and then you just need to emulate three relatively slow PPC cores. And the games were running in a hypervisor the whole time anyway! How hard could it have really been?

Now, the Cell was a whole separate clusterfuck, of course, but IBM has been writing emulators for it for a while and they actually know what they're doing.

Re:Still Not Sure... (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 6 months ago | (#45359137)

Same here, though I'm leaning PS4 because Microsoft has been more troublesome than Sony recently, though MS hasn't done anything as bad as the Sony rootkit afaik. I'm waiting for a non-PC game that I feel the need to play before I buy either.

PR crapapalooza (-1, Troll)

Thud457 (234763) | about 6 months ago | (#45358483)

what a lousy teardown. Ifixit does 'em better.


A spinning disc, in 2013? Who's the target market, people with toddlers that want to watch Fern Gully 7,433,245 times?

Re:PR crapapalooza (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | about 6 months ago | (#45358549)

Yes, let's more than double the price by including a 500GB SSD.

Re:PR crapapalooza (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 6 months ago | (#45358641)

Why an SSD?

A 2TB laptop drive can be had for very cheap.

Re:PR crapapalooza (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#45358661)

A 2TB laptop drive can be had for very cheap.

Which gets you back to the "spinning disc" the OP was complaining about.

If you want non-spinning, it's SSD.

Re:PR crapapalooza (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 6 months ago | (#45358757)

I thought he meant the blu-ray.

Which has terrible seek times compared to spinning magnetic disk.

Re:PR crapapalooza (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 6 months ago | (#45358843)

Hmmm, possibly that, since it can also function as a BluRay player ... at which point how you'd escape the spinning disc thing is a mystery to me.

And I'm also assuming (possibly incorrectly) the PS4 will have the same ability as the XBox 360 to install to the HD and then use only the disc to confirm you're allowed to run it.

Obvious troll is obvious (1)

Dr. Manhattan (29720) | about 6 months ago | (#45358589)

A spinning disc, in 2013? Who's the target market, people with toddlers that want to watch Fern Gully 7,433,245 times?

People who don't want to wait several hours to download an 8+ GB game?

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 6 months ago | (#45358657)

As opposed to taking just as long to go to the store to buy it?

I rather have the media, but honestly disks suck. The seek times are horrible.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358733)

People who don't want to wait several hours to download an 8+ GB game?

As opposed to taking just as long to go to the store to buy it?

Where do you live that it takes several hours to get to a store?

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 6 months ago | (#45358781)

It does not. Once I get to the store, buy the game and get home again that is probably 1 hour. In that time I can download an 8GB game.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359325)

Some people have other things that bring them to stores throughout their day. If you pick up a game while you are doing other errands, it's no additional time at all.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 6 months ago | (#45359339)

Only if you were already going into that store, and buying something already.

That happens pretty infrequently to me. I would be way more likely to order it from amazon and wait two days. Shopping sucks.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 6 months ago | (#45359201)

There was a time that I'd rather have the media, but one day I realized that my instinct to collect stuff like that was a mild version of hoarding. I'd much rather have clean shelves and read my media off of hard drives these days. There's still some hoarding going on in my life, collecting 1s and 0s on hard drives, but at least it doesn't take up physical space in my home.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 6 months ago | (#45359295)

I totally agree, but without the disks one day I won't be able to play those games. They will eventually turn off the DRM licensing servers and that will be it.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 6 months ago | (#45358683)

More like, I don't know, max 20 minutes?

Regardless how long time do it take to get a game on disc? At least a day, likely 2-3 if I'd use some cheap or free shipping service. Plus it would likely cost more.
.
You could argue one will have the issue with downloading multiple times but multi-terabyte hard-drive would at least limit the risk of that having to happen and even if it did big deal? It could likely even allow you to play a game while fetching it

Not everyone has fiber (1)

Dr. Manhattan (29720) | about 6 months ago | (#45358791)

More like, I don't know, max 20 minutes?

I see peak sustained downloads of about 800KB/sec on my cable. Sure, it sucks, but we're well away from the central drop.

So, that's 10,000 seconds, or about 2 hours and 45 minutes, to download 8,000 MB.

Of course, that's peak. If anyone else in the house is using Netflix, or if I'm downloading anything else, it'll be slower. And 8GB is about the average of games on Blu-Ray today, for the PS3. For the PS4, they're liable to be substantially larger. Especially since the XBone will also be using Blu-Ray to distribute games, finally, so multiplatform games can be larger than 8GB.

So... yeah.

Re:Not everyone has fiber (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 6 months ago | (#45358839)

That is pretty much pathetic in 2013.

My work issued 4g wifi access point beats that. Mind you that has a 30GB a month limit, but my uncapped FIOS plan makes even the 4g access point look sad.

Re:Not everyone has fiber (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359123)

Oh yea? Did your wifi hotspot come from this [gazettelive.co.uk] store?

Re:Not everyone has fiber (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 6 months ago | (#45359239)

Isn't that about a worst-case scenario for people who aren't still using dial-up modems? I could get DSL that slow if I wanted a 1998 Internet experience, but cable is much, much faster.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (2)

stewsters (1406737) | about 6 months ago | (#45358743)

Is it too late to reinvent cartridges by sticking the games on 64gb usb sticks? I miss the tactile feel of the game, the blowing out the dust so it kinda works if you hold it in when it starts.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 6 months ago | (#45358771)

I miss the tactile feel of the game, the blowing out the dust so it kinda works if you hold it in when it starts.

If I remember correctly, wiggling the Adventure cartridge in the old Atari game console could give you a substantially different map. Probably because it corrupted some RAM somewhere.

Re:Obvious troll is obvious (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about 6 months ago | (#45358941)

May of has to blow the dust out, but it didn't require the internet for authentication to open up.

do you really want to download 25-50GB games? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 6 months ago | (#45358667)

do you really want to download 25-50GB games?

even if you have a fast and cap free ISP you still need some where to store them and big SDD's cost a lot.

Re:do you really want to download 25-50GB games? (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 6 months ago | (#45358793)

Why store them on SSDs?

The thing ships with a hard drive and 2TB laptop drives are cheap.

Re:do you really want to download 25-50GB games? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358853)

2TB laptop drives hardly even exist (yet). You can get 1.5GiB if you're ready to break the 9.5mm height wall.

Stop talking nonsense. Link to an affordable 2TB _LAPTOP_ drive or shut up.

Re:do you really want to download 25-50GB games? (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 6 months ago | (#45358859)

Personally, I want cartridges back. Given current tech they'd actually be superior to discs in many ways and it would be significantly harder to pirate the games. Wait, i dont want cartridges, never mind.

Great Maths! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358673)

That would take around 1,074 years to watch. Your toddler will be long dead before then. Your Playstation 4 will still be playing. /propaganda

Re:PR crapapalooza (1)

suutar (1860506) | about 6 months ago | (#45358801)

Perhaps "people who've finished all their ps3 games but still use it as their disc player and would rather replace it entirely than just add more stuff to the living room"?

Re:PR crapapalooza (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 6 months ago | (#45359307)

A spinning disc, in 2013? Who's the target market

People who don't have the bandwidth to download 25-50GB games?

The controllers rock! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358595)

The PS4 controller, AKA the dualshock4, is a pretty impressive little device. Trackpad, motion, control, speaker, headset, analog sticks, bunch of buttons.

And it will connect to any device via bluetooth or USB because it shows up as a Generic HID device on both! You can pair it with your PC, phone or tablet via bluetooth or connect it to anything that supports USB.

Right now just the basic stuff is supported. Both analog sticks and all buttons (Including the tackpad click). The big triggers register a button press, and register analog on a seperate input too. Hell, even the tilt/motion control shows up as an analog input.

I'm fairly certain, like with the wiimote, an improved driver will be developed to access the special functions like the track pad and audio interfaces.

I don't plan on getting the PS4 but I already have a dualshock 4 (You can buy them now at gamestop) and I'm toying with it on lots of things. Already use it as a controller on my tablet for playing emulators and it works better than anything else I've tried by far.

I think it's amazing Sony did this (5, Insightful)

JoeyRox (2711699) | about 6 months ago | (#45358597)

A high-quality and detailed teardown of their own product? I think that's freaking awesome. And smart too - they know the success of the PS4 will depend on the early adopter, hard-core gamer, the type of person who has likely put together a home-grown PC gaming system and who would get excited about exactly this type of video. Well done Sony.

Nice marketing coup, too (5, Insightful)

Theaetetus (590071) | about 6 months ago | (#45358813)

A high-quality and detailed teardown of their own product? I think that's freaking awesome. And smart too - they know the success of the PS4 will depend on the early adopter, hard-core gamer, the type of person who has likely put together a home-grown PC gaming system and who would get excited about exactly this type of video. Well done Sony.

A detailed teardown was inevitable from someone - probably Ars Technica, for example. And that teardown comes with a review of Sony's architecture and decisions, and the review may not necessarily be entirely favorable. However, this way, the first teardown is accompanied by glowing descriptions of the hardware. Anything later is an also-ran, by definition, and will draw less eyeballs than it would have if it was first. The widest seen review now will be their own. More companies should do this.

Re:Nice marketing coup, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359235)

You are beginning to see companies do things like this the who unboxing and teardown videos. Microsoft already did an unboxing of the Xbox one, Sony 1uped them with a teardown but as you mention once someone watches one unboxing or teardown (if they watch any) they are less likely to watch others. Since they can do these before anyone else can even get close to the hardware they can make sure things are as favorable as possible.

Re:I think it's amazing Sony did this (1)

Aqualung812 (959532) | about 6 months ago | (#45359025)

the success of the PS4 will depend on the early adopter, hard-core gamer, the type of person who has likely put together a home-grown PC gaming system

Do you think a member of the PC Master Race [reddit.com] would become such a peasant?

Note: I'm a former master race member who went to consoles, but not for the specs. I wanted the social interaction of multiplayer gaming on the same screen & couch, or with my friends that were console peasants as well.
If I were going to drool over specs, I'd go back to building my own rig.

Re:I think it's amazing Sony did this (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 6 months ago | (#45359093)

This is why I am looking forward to the steambox.

I don't really play multiplayer, but sometimes it might be nice to play those games from the couch. I magically manage to both play PC games and PS3 games.

Where... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358613)

Where is the 'we will screw you later on' module?

Every sony product has one..

This is pretty cool (1)

earlzdotnet (2788729) | about 6 months ago | (#45358615)

This was very interesting to watch, also to see him describe some of the hardware (such as CPU and GPU being single chip, with GDDR5 on the motherboard). I'm usually a fan of the Xbox, but I've never seen Microsoft give one shred of detail about how to take apart any product of theirs.. I've never seen Sony either, but this is a welcome change.

can it run linux? (1, Insightful)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 6 months ago | (#45358675)

can it run linux?

Re:can it run linux? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358823)

They claim it's an x86, so yes, it COULD run linux if someone makes a boot loader that works.

the PS3 keys are out right, if the ps4 can play PS3 games, just make a bootloader game for the PS3 and run linux / steamOS on your ps4... or build a PC that blows the ps4 specs out of the water.

Re:can it run linux? (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about 6 months ago | (#45358897)

It could but it wont. At least not without some kind of crazy workaround that will make it not worth the effort.

Re:can it run linux? (1)

stox (131684) | about 6 months ago | (#45359051)

Well, it is running FreeBSD, so getting Linux to run, once you get past the keys, should be easy.

Re:can it run linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359079)

If it can, they'll soon remove with a mandatory security update.

Re:can it run linux? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359151)

In a shockingly conventional decision for a console, the bootloader is indeed locked. (The "Orbis" OS runs on a modified FreeBSD kernel.)

In every other respect, it could run Linux, if you bothered cracking the protection, details about which will likely come out at some point following release because some people always find this stuff interesting, and some people remembered how they treated Geohot and fail0verflow.

However, with the architectural decisions made, a pirate would I think have an easier time emulating the platform of the Xbox One or the PlayStation4 on a PC like a Windows box or a Linux box like a modified Steam Machine using a hypervisor (and, perhaps, a GCN-supporting AMD graphics card of comparable power and architecture), than to crack the protection of the closed platform.

The DualShock4 controller seems to work just fine with Linux and Windows: a few details such as the speaker may need specific support, which will be easier in Linux than in Windows for obvious reasons.

Several details are cut out of the teardown - specific placement of connectors and screws (including the internal screws holding the motherboard down), and the fact that the two non-tamper-proof seals are I think all you need to undo the lower cover to remove and replace the HDD, which is supported.

not a whole lot there (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45358691)

to justify the cost, other than sony's corporate greed. i bet these are way cheaper to manufacture than previous generations, and this is no loss leader funded by game sales.

XBox One, PS4 or Wii U? (2)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 6 months ago | (#45358709)

PS4 will have FF XIV, nothing interesting except Halo reruns for Xbox and no Metroid announced for Wii U.

PS4 wins.

Re:XBox One, PS4 or Wii U? (4, Insightful)

stewsters (1406737) | about 6 months ago | (#45358883)

Have you played final fantasy 13? Granted the level of video production is unmatched, but the characters are stereotypical and annoying. Its the most linear role-playing game that I have played, and I have played progress quest.

Re:XBox One, PS4 or Wii U? (1)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about 6 months ago | (#45359059)

So true. I haven't seen anything to like on new FF titles since FFX. And X wasn't a good game by any means, it just had a cool world and a somewhat cool twist to the story. Characters, combat, dungeons, exploration all sucked, and terrible voice actors were there to cripple your enjoyment at every corner. The last FF I'd actually replay is 9.

Re:XBox One, PS4 or Wii U? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359345)

Final Fantasy XIV (MMORPG) is currently out on PC and PS3, and will be coming out for PS4. I doubt the PS4 version will change from the PC/PS3 version, unless PS4 is getting its own servers.

Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 will be coming out for PS4 and Xbox One. So this doesn't really weigh in favour of either console.

Destiny (another game I'm looking forward to) is also cross platform for both current and next gen PS and Xbox.

I don't think we can quite determine a winner yet.

I was a good 360 customer. (2, Interesting)

P-niiice (1703362) | about 6 months ago | (#45358815)

After owning 3 360s, I switched to PS3 and am never looking back after I get a PS4. Microsoft screwed themselves out of this good customer.

Re:I was a good 360 customer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359375)

You're on Slashdot and you're a peasant console gamer? Wow.

Stickers on the back (2, Informative)

HockeyPuck (141947) | about 6 months ago | (#45358871)

He makes a comment about how the stickers are there on the back screws to discourage people opening it up and then he goes on to say you can replace the HD with any standard drive.

Seems they thought of what would happen if people tried to sell their PS4 on the used market. It would be easy/easier for the buyer to tell if the unit had been opened up while still allowing for people to upgrade their systems.

It's not like they dropped some security torx screws in this or other odd screws like others do (Apple).

Progress!? Who needs it? (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 6 months ago | (#45358889)

This is the first time they have released a console that uses the same optical format as its predecessor - yet it can't play the software written for said predecsessor. They have made their old stuff obsolete and are demanding people pay more money to get that much more. I'd be surprised if people are willing to part with $400 for this new generation.

Re:Progress!? Who needs it? (1)

Pope (17780) | about 6 months ago | (#45358959)

Yeah, because your old PS2 and 3 suddenly stop working with the 4 comes out.

And used PS3s simply disappear off the face of the earth!

Re:Progress!? Who needs it? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about 6 months ago | (#45358989)

3 folks in my office already have them preordered. My boss took a day off to collect his and play it.

I am debating this or a steambox.

$400 is not exactly a fortune.

Yu]o F4il It!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359001)

SLLING You can

No GPU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45359305)

Notice how the PS4 has a CPU, but no GPU.

That's because it uses INTEGRATED GRAPHICS.

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