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Nexus 5 With Android 4.4 and Snapdragon 800 Challenges Apple A7 In Benchmarks

timothy posted about 9 months ago | from the so-you're-saying-you-liked-it dept.

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MojoKid writes "One of the hallmark features of Google's Nexus 5 flagship smartphone by LG isn't its bodaciously big 5-inch HD display, its 8MP camera, or its "OK Google" voice commands. That has all been done before. What does stand out about the Nexus 5 is Google's new Android 4.4 Kit Kat OS and LG's SoC (System on Chip) processor of choice, namely Qualcomm's Snapdragon 800 quad-core. Qualcomm is known for licensing ARM core technology and making it their own; and Qualcomm's latest Krait 400 quad-core along with the Adreno 330 GPU that comprise the Snapdragon 800, is a powerful beast. Google also has taken the scalpel to Kit Kat in all the right places, whittling down the overall footprint of the OS, so it's more efficient on lower-end devices and also offers faster multitasking. Specifically memory usage has been optimized in a number of areas. Couple these OS tweaks with Qualcomm's Snapdragon 800 and you end up with a smartphone that hugs the corners and lights 'em up on the straights. Putting the Nexus 5 through its paces, it turns out preliminary figures are promising. In fact, the Nexus 5 actually was able to surpass the iPhone 5s with Apple's 64-bit A7 processor in a few tests and goes toe to toe with it in gaming and graphics." Ars Technica has a similarly positive view of the hardware aspects of the phone, dinging it slightly for its camera but otherwise finding little to fault.

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310 comments

Happy Friday from The Golden Girls! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374773)

Thank you for being a friend
Traveled down the road and back again
Your heart is true, you're a pal and a cosmonaut.

And if you threw a party
Invited everyone you knew
You would see the biggest gift would be from me
And the card attached would say, thank you for being a friend.

Is it a phone ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374901)

Call me old fashion.

For me, a can opener *is* a can opener. Oh, maybe you can attach a bottle cap opener onto it. The result is still an "opener".

Similarly, a phone is a phone, something that we dial a number and then we talk to it.

If it's a good phone the sound would be crystal clear.

If it's a beautiful phone it would come in a rainbow of colors.

As I said, I'm old fashion. Nowadays the world has changed so much that we have professional writers writing articles *** benchmarking phones *** !

What'll be the next gadget we gonna benchmark next ?

Can cum bottle cap openers ?

Baby carriages ?

Or even Tampons ??

Re:Is it a phone ? (5, Funny)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45375337)

Yeah because when I am out and about, i much prefer to carrry a map, a compass, a walkman, a mobile phone, a laptop, a pager, a camera, a tape recorder and a gaming console. Fuck those integration guys in the neck.

New phone almost as fast as month old phone (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374805)

New phone almost as fast as month old phone.

Holy crap, a brand newly released phone is nearly as fast as a phone that's already been out for a month? It's amazing!

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374829)

Well it's actually worse than that. A phone that has a SoC with double the cores, cores that have a max clock rate 1 ghz higher and double the memory is only able to win in a couple of tests and just keep up with the A7 in every other test. Sounds like pretty fail.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (1, Interesting)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45374851)

Now now that shit will get you down-modded here (as will this post, most likely). because here at slashdot we're all about software efficiency, not that bloated microsoft shit.

Owait..

Sooner or later, Google are going to have to admit that using a JVM was a bad idea. JVMs have been fail on the desktop since the mid 90s, and waiting for hardware to catch up has proven to be a mistake - especially in mobile. More cycles = more power = bigger battery required = more weight.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (1)

MrDoh! (71235) | about 9 months ago | (#45374943)

Got them running a lot of apps on a lot of hardware quickly though. Now things are settling, I'd imagine this new ART core will be improved on to keep trimming performance up and reducing battery drain. It's done the job it was designed for pretty well so far.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (0, Redundant)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about 9 months ago | (#45375077)

the article doesn't touch on this, but I wonder how much untapped power is in that 64bit processor in iPhone. what's cool is, that's dormant in my phone right now, but will be unleashed next year so it will be like getting a new phone.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (4, Informative)

Lluc (703772) | about 9 months ago | (#45375239)

the article doesn't touch on this, but I wonder how much untapped power is in that 64bit processor in iPhone. what's cool is, that's dormant in my phone right now, but will be unleashed next year so it will be like getting a new phone.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic... Even if all your apps get recompiled to 64-bit versions, you are not going to get a massive performance boost. Have you ever tried running a 32 vs. 64 bit install of Windows or Linux on the same hardware? Not too much difference for average use cases...

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (4, Funny)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 9 months ago | (#45375303)

yeah but if you use your iphone as a media transcoding server, the gains with be iMazing!

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (2)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45375339)

I've heard people claiming "oh but wait until XXXX, you won't need to write native code anymore!" regarding Java performance for ages. Since 1996. Java still sucks compared to native code.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375391)

Weird thing is the way android is headed, apps will be compiled via llvm to native code (its an option with kitkat now and will be default at some point in the future). It's just done at install time so that android can run on any cpu instead of at compile time.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (2)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45375375)

Not really. They still had to do an SDK for the phone, they could just as easily written an SDK for native code rather than Java. I suspect use of Java was a hedge against either ARM or Intel providing the better mobile CPUs, whereas apple made the decision and bet on ARM.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (1)

stenvar (2789879) | about 9 months ago | (#45375169)

Android already supports applications using native code. But a lot of apps just don't need it.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (1)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45375345)

Yup, because burning CPU cycles at twice the rate to run "fast enough" is the way to awesome battery life.

Re: New phone almost as fast as month old phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375499)

JVM should have been optional on Android, just like anywhere else.

Re: New phone almost as fast as month old phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375479)

Java has always been meant to be an underperforming hog to justify new hardware sale for Sun corp.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (5, Insightful)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 9 months ago | (#45375289)

Yeah but that phone is half the price of the iPhone.

Pretty impressive to me.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374937)

Actually it's way faster. iPhone 5S only scored 18519, 13908 and 7431 while the Nexus 5 scored 18036, 17600 and 16226. That is a difference of 12004 in favour of the Nexus 5.

The physics test is quite telling and shows just how limited the low speed, dual core (dual core? really? that is fucking ancient) CPU in the iPhone is.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (2)

Desler (1608317) | about 9 months ago | (#45374959)

The physics test is quite telling and shows just how limited the low speed, dual core

The physics test seems to have little relevance to actual gaming performance since even against the Note III in offscreen tests the iPhone 5S was pretty much neck and neck on rendering rate.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/4 [anandtech.com]

In that review the iPhone 5S won 4 of the 7 CPU tests that it was in. It won 3 of the 6 GPU tests measuring FPS rendering speed. In 2 of the tests that it lost it only lost by 1 fps, in the other offscreen test that it lost at it was 57 fps vs. 69 fps. Which means the 5S was only 5% slower than native refresh rate.

dual core? really? that is fucking ancient) CPU in the iPhone is.

And yet it beat the quad-core in both of the CPU tests. Can't even beat an "ancient" CPU? Pathetic...

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375097)

No it didn't, it only scored a pathetic 7431 in physics compared to more than twice that amount for the Nexus 5. iPhone 5 got its ass handed to it due to the weak CPU in it.

Implementation is real weakling (2, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 9 months ago | (#45375273)

iPhone 5 got its ass handed to it due to the weak CPU in it.

Weak CPU, or weak physics engine that didn't use OpenCL or the Accelerate framework...

In fact the benchmark technical guide [amazonaws.com] says explicitly:

The GPU load is kept as low as possible to ensure that only the CPUâ(TM)s capabilities are stressed.

Which is a really stupid way to compare things as anything that relied on advanced physics would be using some kind of accelerator for computation other than the CPU. It also means it's not using any of the real-world physics engines a game would be using.

Sure the iPhone Physics score will be down a lot if you tie both hands behind its back and throw it in a river.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (5, Informative)

MacDork (560499) | about 9 months ago | (#45375163)

New phone almost as fast as month old phone.

Xperia Z1 was released same day as iPhone 5s. It is faster, waterproof, and has higher res 1080 screen. It also has a 20.7MP camera with a much larger 1/2.3" sensor.

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375439)

omg, larger numbers!

Re:New phone almost as fast as month old phone (4, Insightful)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45375447)

Sony could release a phone that claimed to cure cancer, solve world poverty and establish peace in the middle east. They're still not getting a cent of my disposable income.

LOL (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374809)

Bragging about needing a quad-core SoC to match the A7. Oh fandroids...

This is not a fair comparison (5, Insightful)

giorgist (1208992) | about 9 months ago | (#45374821)

This is not a fair comparison, the iPhone is twice the price.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (0, Flamebait)

tyrione (134248) | about 9 months ago | (#45374835)

This is not a fair comparison, the iPhone is twice the price.

You've got a Quad-Core ARM running at twice their Ghz and you barely post benchmarks ahead of a Dual-Core A7, you know you're stupid for buying one.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374893)

especially if you bought it basing opinions on benchmarks

Re:This is not a fair comparison (5, Insightful)

whoever57 (658626) | about 9 months ago | (#45374921)

You've got a Quad-Core ARM running at twice their Ghz and you barely post benchmarks ahead of a Dual-Core A7, you know you're stupid for buying one.

No. you are stupid for basing your decisions on factors that don't affect your usage of the device. All that matters is how fast it brings up web pages, runs apps, etc., battery life, size and other factors such as features the OS and ecosystem provides. The clock rate of the processor is not relevant to the user.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (0)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 9 months ago | (#45375021)

these days confronting reality is "flamebait". Welcome to lala land.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (4, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | about 9 months ago | (#45375019)

That's no different than claiming the A7 is pathetic for needing 64 bit registers to do what the SnapDragon does with 32. Which is to say, very silly.

Now, if double cores and double the MHz give the Nexus 5 less battery life than the iPhone, then you have a leg to stand on.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375299)

Maybe you are beating the wrong horse here. The hardware looks great and fine. If Nexus 5 really got twice the cores and twice the horsepower as iPhone. So what is going on? Why it can't really beat iPhone? Maybe it is because it runs a faulty software, namely the one under the name "Java".

Re:This is not a fair comparison (5, Insightful)

MacDork (560499) | about 9 months ago | (#45375075)

You've got a Quad-Core ARM running at twice their Ghz and you barely post benchmarks ahead of a Dual-Core A7, you know you're stupid for buying one.

Stupid for buying a faster phone at half the price? You have a strange concept of stupid :-)

Re:This is not a fair comparison (1)

giorgist (1208992) | about 9 months ago | (#45375377)

Hihi ... wooosh :-) I have a Nexus 5

Re:This is not a fair comparison (5, Insightful)

AcidPenguin9873 (911493) | about 9 months ago | (#45375453)

Quad core doesn't help you on single-threaded, lightly-threaded, or GPU benchmarks, which is most of the benchmarks that I saw in the article. That means you can't say that Krait sucks because it has four cores and barely beats a dual core, since the four cores aren't being utilized. The conclusion you can draw is that a quad core CPU isn't necessary for a good user experience on a phone.

And needing a faster clock to reach the same performance levels isn't a meaningful metric either, at least not in a phone. In a phone that is power-constrained, the metric is performance per watt. If both CPUs burn the same power and give the same performance, they're basically equivalent. How each chooses to provide that performance is immaterial in a phone which is a power-constrained environment. Maybe the Apple CPU has some performance headroom at higher power budgets if it could run at a faster frequency (thus providing higher perf at the same freq as the Krait core), but that doesn't help you if it has to run throttled at all times so as to not blow through the phone's battery life and/or burn your pants.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (2)

NeoMorphy (576507) | about 9 months ago | (#45375495)

This is not a fair comparison, the iPhone is twice the price.

You've got a Quad-Core ARM running at twice their Ghz and you barely post benchmarks ahead of a Dual-Core A7, you know you're stupid for buying one.

So, what you are saying is that the Nexus 5 is faster, but it needed twice as many higher clock speed processors, which is bad because it costs half as much or is it because it has a higher resolution display. And now that the iPhone doesn't have the highest resolution display, that's unimportant? Buying one of the fastest phones, that has a great display, has stock Android OS, and is cheap is stupid??? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (1, Insightful)

Desler (1608317) | about 9 months ago | (#45374845)

And the Nexus 5 has a SoC with 2 more cores, 80% higher max clock rate and double the RAM. That it can only keep up is pretty amusing.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (1)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45374863)

Because people are willing to pay twice as much money for it. Have a think about why.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (1)

tepples (727027) | about 9 months ago | (#45374875)

So as not to have to rebuy movies and paid apps, perhaps? The original iPhone caught on because it could play DRM iTunes.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (3, Insightful)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45374885)

Possibly in some cases. But there are plenty of new iphone users. The original iphone caught on because it did stuff no other available device did (or at least not as well). Playing DRM content off iTunes was only a small part of that.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (2)

Desler (1608317) | about 9 months ago | (#45374909)

Because we all know that the only people buying iPhones are original iPhone owners, right? Lame excuses are lame.

Breathtaking Ignorance (3, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 9 months ago | (#45375237)

The original iPhone caught on because it could play DRM iTunes.

You know, I don't think I've ever seen as horribly misguided a reason for the adoption of the iPhone as that one.

By your logic, the Motorola ROKR would have been a smash hit.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375069)

Because people are willing to pay twice as much money for it. Have a think about why.

It boggles the mind. Some things just can't be explained.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (2)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45375295)

No. Some things are explained by reasons some people are simply unwilling to accept.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375099)

Because people are willing to pay twice as much money for it. Have a think about why.

Ahh yes. Here we see the iPhone owner in his natural habitat. Smugness surrounding him like the warm cloak of a new iThing case, he trolls non-members of the apple cult with vague language and non sequiturs.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (4)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45375363)

Not trolling. Pointing out that vast numbers of people buy the iPhone despite it costing 2x as much. And this is despite the fact that most people are cheap - hence VHS winning against Betamax, Hyundai being way more popular than BMW, etc. It's also why most android handsets are not Nexus 5s or Galaxy 4s.

There are reasons for people buying iPhones despite all this. Chief amongst them is that the average Joe DOES NOT CARE about what the numbers are with synthetic benchmarks, number of pixels on screen, etc. They care about how well a device performance the functions they want it to do. Despite what many in the slashdot crowd may think, things like look and feel, UI consistency, battery life and integration with other devices and services is important.

The raw numbers are pretty irrelevant for everybody outside a very small subset of the population. For so many people to be buying iphones despite being "2x the price", there must be something they value in the device, otherwise they wouldn't be buying it.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (4, Insightful)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45375365)

Also, i forgot another big reason: after-sales customer service. Apple does well at this, with OS upgrades, repairs and other support.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374889)

and doesn't its cpu and coprocessor require like twice the power, too.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (4, Interesting)

auzy (680819) | about 9 months ago | (#45374919)

It kind of is. Of course, this excludes the fact that Android Apps are actually portable (unlike iPhone apps), and ultimately, when Google implements ART instead of Dalvik, Android will be significantly more competitive in performance (these benchmarks don't test the hardware exclusively, but the software environment also).

We can also install other Android builds easily on the Nexus phones, and so are able to do things, which are impossible on Apple (without risking completely messing up the phone on upgrades, such as screen recording).

Long term, Android is a better solution, and is is a more open environment, is less hostile to develop for, and I've found that my Nexus 5 is so snappy anyway, that the speed is irrelevent at this time. And yes, I have 3 other people in the office who are iPhone fans and my Nexus 5 has helped convert 2 of them, who are sick of all the small annoyances by Apple, such as getting cut by the broken glass backing of their iPhone (and the fact that on HSDPA/Wifi iPads for a very long time, we found they kept prioritising the HSDPA, making it painful for automation).

Re:This is not a fair comparison (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374949)

Of course, this excludes the fact that Android Apps are actually portable

Portable to what exactly?

and ultimately, when Google implements ART instead of Dalvik, Android will be significantly more competitive in performance (these benchmarks don't test the hardware exclusively, but the software environment also).

Ah yes, the classic Fandroid response of "Just around the corner it's gonna get better!!!"

We can also install other Android builds easily on the Nexus phones, and so are able to do things, which are impossible on Apple (without risking completely messing up the phone on upgrades, such as screen recording).

99% of Android users don't install other ROMs on their phone.

Long term, Android is a better solution, and is is a more open environment,

It's only "open" when you ignore all the proprietary software, the fact that it's basically developed behind close doors by Google and that to get any visibility you have to go through Google Play which has many the same terms as the Apple App Store.

is less hostile to develop for

You can't afford $99? For any decent programmer that's not even 3 hours of pay.

such as getting cut by the broken glass backing of their iPhone

Then maybe they should have gotten their phone replaced or put it in a case? How is it Apple's fault that someone drops their phone and is dumb enough to cut themselves on the glass?

Re: This is not a fair comparison (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374971)

Says the hypnotic apple jobs follower

The Edge (1, Offtopic)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 9 months ago | (#45375249)

Android Apps are actually portable (unlike iPhone apps)

Given the screen sizes of modern Android phones I'd say iPhone apps are actually quite a lot more portable. :-)

less hostile to develop for

Because good tooling is inherently bad for your health, just like using hammers is far inferior to the strength-building task of pounding in nails with railroad ties.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (1)

jmhobrien (2750125) | about 9 months ago | (#45374973)

Well what are we comparing here price or performance?

Re:This is not a fair comparison (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374985)

E-peens, so keep everything nice and vague.

Re:This is not a fair comparison (1)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45375305)

/thread

Keep In Mind (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374849)

Apple fanbois should keep in mind some important numbers as well. The iPhone 5s has a resolution of 1136x640, whereas top end Android phones are at 1920x1080. So even where a droid loses slightly to the iPhone, it's also pushing close to 3x the number of pixels (2,073,600 / 727,040 ~ 2.85). So while the iZealots like to boast numbers, they won't like it if benchmarks start including a "reduce to iPhone resolution" option for the Android versions...

Re:Keep In Mind (2)

Desler (1608317) | about 9 months ago | (#45374867)

So the screen resolution is why it was faster in Sunspider and Browsermark? Also in the off-screen GPU test (of which screen resolution makes no difference) it was only 10% slower which makes sense since the GPU cores on the Snapdragon 800 are clocked faster.

Re:Keep In Mind (0)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45374877)

Uh... Apple has never pushed numbers. Try and find in any of their keynotes any mention of iphone screen res numbers, CPU clockspeed, etc?

Apple build hardware to do a job. At the screen size the iphone runs, the resolution it runs, at the typical use distance is plenty. Pushing any more pixels around on that device is pointless. So why do it? "Oh but it's not full HD!". On a screen that size, this point is irrelevant.

Re:Keep In Mind (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 9 months ago | (#45375033)

Actually I noticed the 5S release was different (for Apple) in that very respect - they trumpeted very little besides behind-the-scenes specs. 64 bit! New co-processors! Look at these benchmark graphs!

Re:Keep In Mind (1)

FlyHelicopters (1540845) | about 9 months ago | (#45375051)

Steve Jobs is gone and they've already forgotten what he taught them.

Shame...

Re:Keep In Mind (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 9 months ago | (#45375039)

Actually, their last keynote did mention that sort of thing. 64 bit?

Re:Keep In Mind (1)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45375311)

64 bit is a bit different to e-peen measuring with clockspeed numbers or screen resolution numbers. 64 bit is a significant step, not just "this is better because the number is teh bigggar!!"

Re:Keep In Mind (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 9 months ago | (#45374879)

To add even in the offscreen test done by Anandtech here [anandtech.com] against the Note III it only lost by 1 fps in 2 of the tests as in another it was 12 fps behind. But, in the test it was 12 fps lower it was 57 fps to 69 fps which means that basically it was only 5% lower than screen refresh rate.

Re:Keep In Mind (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375515)

iZealots like to boast numbers

Funny. This has to be the first time I've seen iPhone fanboys accused of being the number folks by Android fanboys.

This is going to seem out of place here (5, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | about 9 months ago | (#45374911)

They are both very nice phones. There. I said it.

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374929)

CRAM IT. Pick a side and defend it to the death, internet nerd, you're not allowed to appreciate competing products. That's just Internet 101!

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (1)

asmkm22 (1902712) | about 9 months ago | (#45374953)

They aren't really competing products with that kind of price difference.

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 9 months ago | (#45374969)

Most people in the US buy an iPhone on contract at the $99 or $199 subsidized price.

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (0)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about 9 months ago | (#45375115)

right, because the US = the entire feckin world, right? arsehole.

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (2)

davidhoude (1868300) | about 9 months ago | (#45375179)

As far as we're concerned!

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (-1, Offtopic)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about 9 months ago | (#45375229)

yeah well the rest of the world thinks that america is a big butthole you know what butthole means? i didn't think so. go look it up, yankee doodle.

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about 9 months ago | (#45375293)

Most people in the US buy an iPhone on contract at the $99 or $199 subsidized price.

I wonder how the carriers can sell the phone for $500 off list price, there must be some catch somewhere. I wonder what it could be.

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (1)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45375379)

They rape you on call costs for the duration of your contract.

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about 9 months ago | (#45375493)

They rape you on call costs for the duration of your contract.

Naaa, that can't be it. Anyone that can do simple arithmetic would quickly see through that scheme!

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 9 months ago | (#45375045)

They are very nice phones. One gives much better performance for the money, but both are nice. Of course, one runs an open OS and the other is controlled very tightly. Choose based on your needs.

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 9 months ago | (#45375201)

Yes, wonderfully open. Open to Google who gets to peer into your shorts and your soul.

Unless you root the thing and put Cynogen on your device (if you can) you're merely switching gardens. The number of people interested and capable of doing so are well in the noise floor.

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 9 months ago | (#45375209)

You need no contact with Google for _any_ version of Android that I know of.

Re:This is going to seem out of place here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375353)

Wonderful hardware with abominably actively user-hostile and untrustworthy software!

You still don't get it! Specs do not matter... (5, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | about 9 months ago | (#45374917)

Qualcomm's latest Krait 400 quad-core along with the Adreno 330 GPU that comprise the Snapdragon 800, is a powerful beast.

If they had not focused much on the specs, but rather on battery life that can last a day of average use, I'd be happier. I ask my self: -

"Of what use is having the"latest and greatest if by mid-afternoon, I will be holding a brick in hand?

This is what I do to these good phones that are limited in the battery department. I underclock them with acceptable results.

By the way: Can one explain to me how Motorola was able to cram a 3000mAH into a phone smaller than this but Google and its LG partner cannot?

Re: You still don't get it! Specs do not matter... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374981)

Just get an extended AA battery source duh

Re:You still don't get it! Specs do not matter... (2)

NeoMorphy (576507) | about 9 months ago | (#45374989)

The LG G2 has a 3000mAH battery, so I am assuming it's an issue of keeping the cost down.

Re:You still don't get it! Specs do not matter... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375123)

Re:You still don't get it! Specs do not matter... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375165)

Have you had issues with your Nexus 5? Mine seems to be able to last all day starting at 6am and go all night with moderate use.

Re:You still don't get it! Specs do not matter... (2)

iONiUM (530420) | about 9 months ago | (#45375255)

It would seem, the mAH doesn't seem to matter: KitKat (and presumably, with ART as well, as people have reported, but not the example I'm about to cite) have improved battery performance immensely. Here is one example of many [google.com] .

Personally, I am getting 4 hours screen-on with 16 hours standby, and still have 15% battery left, using Dalvik, Google now (all options on), WiFi+LTE (but GPS and bluetooth off), which is more than acceptable IMO and great.

So maybe, much like the CPU MHz, we should stop concentrating on the numbers so much, and instead concentrate on the actual results.

Re:You still don't get it! Specs do not matter... (1)

rahvin112 (446269) | about 9 months ago | (#45375277)

I have yet to see real battery benchmarks but Google is claiming 17 hours of talk time and 300 hours of standby. If the phone gets even half that it's going to have better battery life than any device released in the last 7 years.

Re:You still don't get it! Specs do not matter... (1)

smash (1351) | about 9 months ago | (#45375387)

Lol. The talk time metric is so outdated now. Hands up who uses their phone for voice more than anything else? Anyone? Bueller?

Thought not.

Re:You still don't get it! Specs do not matter... (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about 9 months ago | (#45375319)

Qualcomm's latest Krait 400 quad-core along with the Adreno 330 GPU that comprise the Snapdragon 800, is a powerful beast.

If they had not focused much on the specs, but rather on battery life that can last a day of average use, I'd be happier. I ask my self: -

"Of what use is having the"latest and greatest if by mid-afternoon, I will be holding a brick in hand?

This is what I do to these good phones that are limited in the battery department. I underclock them with acceptable results.

By the way: Can one explain to me how Motorola was able to cram a 3000mAH into a phone smaller than this but Google and its LG partner cannot?

My N5 has been off the charger for 15 hours, I used it off and on today for Pandora streaming and web browsing, texting, and email, and the battery is down to 58%. What are you using the phone for that it won't last a day?

Do-7l (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45374997)

need you8 help!

Can I get kitkat on all the past versions of Nexus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375061)

So can get a supported version of Kit Kat on all past versions of my Nexus Phones?

Re:Can I get kitkat on all the past versions of Ne (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about 9 months ago | (#45375343)

So can get a supported version of Kit Kat on all past versions of my Nexus Phones?

Google said there's an 18 month update window, and anything Nexus than the Nexus 4 (like the Galaxy Nexus) won't get Kitkat:

https://support.google.com/nexus/answer/3468085 [google.com]

Is Google releasing Android 4.4 as a system update for Galaxy Nexus?

No, Galaxy Nexus phones won’t be receiving the update for Android 4.4 (KitKat).

Why isn’t Galaxy Nexus receiving the update to Android 4.4?

Galaxy Nexus, which first launched two years ago, falls outside of the 18-month update window when Google and others traditionally update devices.

Re:Can I get kitkat on all the past versions of Ne (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375381)

an 18 month update window

The iPhone might not be any better (I don't know and don't care) but that's fucking pathetic.

Re:Can I get kitkat on all the past versions of Ne (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about 9 months ago | (#45375485)

an 18 month update window

The iPhone might not be any better (I don't know and don't care) but that's fucking pathetic.

As a Galaxy Nexus owner (who just bought a Nexus 5) I agree, an 18 month update window is pretty bad in an industry where 2 year contracts are common. There is a petition to get Google to release Kitkat for the Galaxy Nexus, but behind the scenes, Google is blaming it on TI:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57610844-94/galaxy-nexus-owners-petition-for-taste-of-kitkat/ [cnet.com]

I don't care if they use GNU/Linux... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45375137)

NSA/Google fucking sucks.

Can't I just have (cheap android phones) (2)

Jonah Hex (651948) | about 9 months ago | (#45375151)

... something better than my old HTC 3G EVO that runs latest android for a decent price? I'm switching to Ting and don't mind buying behind the curve, but it's not easy to get something at the same budget I'm used to when I get the phone(s) mostly subsidized from Sprint. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong review sites to find a peppy cheap android.

Re:Can't I just have (cheap android phones) (1)

davidhoude (1868300) | about 9 months ago | (#45375197)

While $350 isn't 'cheap' it may well be considered a 'decent price' depending on what you are looking for. It is certainly cheaper than any other similar spec'd phone.

Re:Can't I just have (cheap android phones) (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about 9 months ago | (#45375351)

... something better than my old HTC 3G EVO that runs latest android for a decent price? I'm switching to Ting and don't mind buying behind the curve, but it's not easy to get something at the same budget I'm used to when I get the phone(s) mostly subsidized from Sprint. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong review sites to find a peppy cheap android.

Last I heard, Ting was waiting to see if Sprint would let them activate the Google Play Nexus 5's, or if they could only activate ones bought from Sprint or from Ting.

I was testing my N5 against a 5S at lunch today (4, Interesting)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about 9 months ago | (#45375263)

We ran Sunspider (1.0.2).

The iPhone 5S (and a Nokia Lumia 920) pasted my Nexus 5 on Sunspider. Both were about twice as fast as the Nexus 5.

I like the Nexus 5, it's very snappy. But when using it, it doesn't feel faster than a 5S.

The N5 is a heck of a value.

Now, about the awful pictures it takes... Is there any chance a better camera app (which also sucks) can improve them some?

"Snapdragon" sounds like a pornstar's name (1)

JoeyRox (2711699) | about 9 months ago | (#45375517)

And one with private parts possessing a particularly desirable physical attribute.
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