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Humble Bundle Launches Online Store For Games

samzenpus posted about 8 months ago | from the new-place-to-shop dept.

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sfcrazy writes "Humble Bundle has opened an online store called Humble Store, an extension of the sales system developed for managing the Humble Bundles. That puts Humble Bundle in the same league of Valve's Steam which sells works online via Steam Store. Humble Store, will continue the organization’s legacy of supporting causes. 'The Humble Store is a permanent addition to our Humble site that will allow our customers to buy great games at great prices 24/7 and support charity with every purchase. Ten percent of all purchases will go to vital causes like American Red Cross, Child’s Play, Electronic Frontier Foundation, World Land Trust and charity:water.'"

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93 comments

Hasnt this been out for a long time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395105)

I was on the humble store not that long ago looking at games. They were overpriced and i left. Now they are launching it?

Re:Hasnt this been out for a long time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45396771)

It looks like they all require Steam too. What is the point?

I'll stick with gog.com.

Re:Hasnt this been out for a long time? (1)

J_Darnley (918721) | about 8 months ago | (#45396853)

Indeed. If this is just another store selling steam keys, don't bother creating it in the first place.

Re:Hasnt this been out for a long time? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 8 months ago | (#45397819)

but it's for teh sharities! non profit!

(= all company share of the profit goes to staff).

Re:Hasnt this been out for a long time? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45397957)

It's all right. You're safe now. Show us on the doll where Gaben touched you.

Re:Hasnt this been out for a long time? (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | about 8 months ago | (#45398595)

It looks like they all require Steam too. What is the point?

I just had a look, and of the nine games listed on the front page, five of them had a DRM-free sign. Just because they have Steam keys available doesn't preclude a direct download version too. Not all of the games were on GOG either, and those that are there are currently at full price (though GOG has had some pretty aggressive sales lately so it may be worth waiting).

Re:Hasnt this been out for a long time? (1)

datajack (17285) | about 8 months ago | (#45399713)

A big differentiator for me is that GoG (as great as they are) do not, despite many requests, support Linux.

Humble Store gives a nice place to purchase Linux indie games without going through Steam.

Re:Hasnt this been out for a long time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45401881)

In case you hadn't noticed, gog is a store, they don't develop the games. They can't just magically make a game support Linux.

You should just stick to the games that use DOSBox.

Most games can be registered with Steam (4, Informative)

jfbilodeau (931293) | about 8 months ago | (#45395107)

The Humble Store is not competing with Steam. Most games that it sells can/have to be activated on Steam.

I must have over one hundred games in my Steam library that come from the Humble Bundle.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (3, Informative)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 8 months ago | (#45395183)

Likewise. They also have a significant number of them that are available for Linux.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45396791)

Yes, faggots like to play computers games too!

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45396817)

He said Linux, not Mac.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (0)

c0d3g33k (102699) | about 8 months ago | (#45395195)

The Humble Store is not competing with Steam. Most games that it sells can/have to be activated on Steam.

I must have over one hundred games in my Steam library that come from the Humble Bundle.

That's a lot of games. I'm not sure the Humble Bundle has offered that many games in all the bundles combined, at least since I've been paying attention. Most bundles have around 6-9 games, and many of those weren't on Steam.

Would you care to list those games so we can get an accurate count? (Not a troll - I'm genuinely curious about how many Steam games Humble Bundle has offered in it's history).

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (3, Funny)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 8 months ago | (#45395223)

That's a lot of games. I'm not sure the Humble Bundle has offered that many games in all the bundles combined, at least since I've been paying attention... Would you care to list those games so we can get an accurate count?

I think what you meant to say was...

Liar, liar, pants on fire...

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

c0d3g33k (102699) | about 8 months ago | (#45395511)

No, what I meant to say was exactly what I said. Just because I haven't been slavishly following all the Humble Bundles doesn't mean GP was wrong. That just seemed like a lot of Steam games, since many of the bundles I purchased didn't have Steam versions. Doesn't mean there aren't over a hundred that are.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 8 months ago | (#45397639)

You have no sense of humor. Why am I not surprised.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

c0d3g33k (102699) | about 8 months ago | (#45399821)

You have no sense of humor. Why am I not surprised.

My humor detector alerted me to the presence of funny (Category: Schoolyard Humor, Subclass: Rhymes). I mentally completed the rhyme from memory ("Nose as long as a telephone wire") and was amused for a brief moment as I reminisced about the old schoolyard days. Thanks for that. Then it occurred to me that implying someone was a liar wasn't very cool, so I clarified. Humor shouldn't take precedence over civility.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45403669)

Please purchase an "I Am A Douchbag" t-shirt to go with the "I Read Your E-Mail" t-shirt that you seem to think is "whitty".

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395933)

It's a testament to the sad state of slashdot when this still scores 4 hours after OP listed 135-140 titles.

Douchy humor FTW, modded as insightful.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45397717)

Humorous? Check
Relevant to the topic at hand? Check
Factually accurate? While several commenters disagree, I'm willing to call this one a NO.
Intentionally factually incorrect? Highly doubtful.

So, it's funny, relevant, but incorrect. I'd call a "4" a reasonable rating. Factual correctness is highly overrated, particularly for a humorous post.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45397825)

Yet another person who takes themselves too seriously. Sad.

Slashdot has become Reddit, with all the douchy Tea Baggers...

Re: Most games can be registered with Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45399787)

...bt someone on the internet is wrong! The pretentious twits HAVE to post about it.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395237)

Would you care to list those games so we can get an accurate count? (Not a troll - I'm genuinely curious about how many Steam games Humble Bundle has offered in it's history).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Humble_Bundles

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (2)

c0d3g33k (102699) | about 8 months ago | (#45395599)

Would you care to list those games so we can get an accurate count? (Not a troll - I'm genuinely curious about how many Steam games Humble Bundle has offered in it's history).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Humble_Bundles

By my very quick and informal count (a single pass through that page counting the games listed as having Steam keys), there are around 107 Steam games total, including the latest bundles from this week. Humble Bundles often include games that were offered in previous bundles (eg. Osmos), so dupes probably pull that number down to around 100 or less. So the GP was close to right if granted poetic license.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | about 8 months ago | (#45398771)

By my very quick and informal count (a single pass through that page counting the games listed as having Steam keys), there are around 107 Steam games total

I think you are dramatically underestimating how many Steam games there are. I just started counting my Steam keys, and by the time I counted my fifth bundle (four Android bundles and the Deep Silver bundle) I had already counted 31 unique games. I am not going to bother counting the other twenty-odd bundles, because I have no doubt that they will easily get past the 100 mark.

Here is what I found so far:

  1. Fieldrunners
  2. BIT.TRIP BEAT
  3. SpaceChem
  4. Uplink
  5. Crayon Physics Deluxe
  6. Eufloria
  7. Splice
  8. Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery EP
  9. Waking Mars
  10. Cogs
  11. Zen Bound 2
  12. Avadon: The Black Fortress
  13. Dynamite Jack
  14. Beat Hazard Ultra
  15. Nightsky
  16. Solar 2
  17. Aquaria
  18. Fractal
  19. Stealth Bastard Deluxe
  20. Organ Trail: Director's Cut
  21. Frozen Synapse
  22. Broken Sword: Director's Cut
  23. McPixel
  24. Risen 2
  25. Sacred 2 Gold
  26. Saints Row 2
  27. Saints Row: The Third
  28. Dead Island GOTY
  29. Metro 2033
  30. Risen
  31. Sacred Citadel

Just to confirm it, I just click two other bundles at random and got 20 unique Steam games to make over 50 in just seven bundles. And that is not even going near the "Humble Weekly Sale" section where virtually everything was delivered by Steam.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395313)

Maybe you should pay more attention?

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

c0d3g33k (102699) | about 8 months ago | (#45395603)

Why? That's what the lazyweb is for.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (2)

dwarfsoft (461760) | about 8 months ago | (#45395429)

By no means did I purchase all bundles, and some games (I only saw two in the quick look I had) were duplicated, and the list does not guarantee that they are available on Steam, but the count I got was 141:

A Virus Named TOM, Misfits Attic; Amnesia: The Dark Descent, Frictional Games; And Yet It Moves, Broken Rules; Anodyne, Analgesic Productions L.L.C.; Anomaly Korea, 11 bit studios; Anomaly Warzone Earth, 11 bit studios; Aquaria, Bit Blot; Atom Zombie Smasher, Blendo Games; Autonomous Prototype, Double Fine Productions; Avadon: The Black Fortress, Spiderweb Software; Avadon: The Black Fortress, Spiderweb Software; Avernum: Escape from the Pit, Spiderweb Software; Avernum: The Great Trials Trilogy, Spiderweb Software; Awesomenauts, Ronimo Games; BIT.TRIP BEAT, Gaijin Games; BIT.TRIP RUNNER, Gaijin Games; Bastion, Supergiant Games; Bastion, Supergiant Games; Beat Hazard Ultra, Cold Beam Games Ltd; Black Lake Prototype, Double Fine Productions; Blades of Avernum, Spiderweb Software; Blocks That Matter, Swing Swing Submarine; Botanicula, Amanita Design; Braid, Number None; Brazen Prototype, Double Fine Productions; Broken Sword: Director's Cut, Revolution Software; Brütal Legend, Double Fine Productions; Canabalt, Semi Secret Software; Capsized, Alientrap Games; Cave Story+, Studio Pixel; Chocolate Castle, Lexaloffle Games; City Generator Tech Demo, Introversion Software; Closure, Eyebrow Interactive; Cogs, Lazy 8 Studios; Cortex Command, Data Realms; Costume Quest, Double Fine Productions; Costume Quest Prototype, Double Fine Productions; Crayon Physics Deluxe, Kloonigames; DEFCON, Introversion Software; Darwinia, Introversion Software; Dear Esther, thechineseroom; Dungeon Defenders + All DLC, Trendy Entertainment; Dungeons of Dredmor, Gaslamp Games; Dustforce, Hitbox Team; Dynamite Jack, Hassey Enterprises, Inc.; EDGE, Mobigame; Eets Munchies, Klei Entertainment; English Country Tune, Increpare Games; Eufloria HD, Omni Systems; FEZ, Polytron Corporation; FTL: Faster than Light, Subset Games; Fieldrunners, Subatomic Studios; Fractal, Cipher Prime Studios; Frozen Synapse, Mode 7 Games; Gish, Cryptic Sea; Gratuitous Space Battles, Positech Games; Greed Corp, Vanguard Games; Hack n' Slash Prototype, Double Fine Productions; Hammerfight, Kranx Productions; Happy Song Prototype, Double Fine Productions; Hotline Miami, Dennaton Games; Incredipede, Northway Games; Indie Game: The Movie, BlinkWorks; Jack Claw, Frozenbyte; Jamestown, Final Form Games; Jasper's Journeys, Lexaloffle Games; King's Bounty: Armored Princess, 1C Company; King's Bounty: Crossworlds, 1C Company; King's Bounty: The Legend, 1C Company; Kooky, Biograf; LIMBO, Playdead; Legend of Grimrock, Almost Human; Little Inferno, Tomorrow Corporation; Lone Survivor, Jasper Byrne; Lugaru HD, Wolfire Games; Machinarium, Amanita Design; Mark of the Ninja, Klei Entertainment; McPixel, Sos; Multiwinia, Introversion Software; Nethergate: Resurrection, Spiderweb Software; NightSky, Nicalis; Offspring Fling, KPULV; Oil Rush, Unigine Corp; Organ Trail: Director's Cut, The Men Who Wear Many Hats; Osada, Amanita Design; Osmos, Hemisphere Games; Penumbra Overture, Frictional Games; Prison Architect Preorder, Introversion Software; Proteus, Ed Key & David Kanaga; Psychonauts, Double Fine Productions; Revenge of the Titans, Puppy Games; Rochard, Recoil Games; Rocketbirds: Hardboiled Chicken, Ratloop Asia; Samorost 2, Amanita Design; Shadowgrounds, Frozenbyte; Shadowgrounds: Survivor, Frozenbyte; Shank, Klei Entertainment; Shank 2, Klei Entertainment; Shatter, Sidhe; Snapshot, Retro Affect; Snuggle Truck, Owlchemy Labs; Solar 2, Murudai; Space Pirates and Zombies, MinMax Games; SpaceChem, Zachtronics; Spacebase DF-9 Prototype, Double Fine Productions; Spirits, Spaces of Play; Splice, Cipher Prime Studios; Stacking, Double Fine Productions; Stealth Bastard Deluxe, Curve Studios; Steel Storm: Burning Retribution, Kot in Action Creative Artel; Super Hexagon, Terry Cavanagh; Super Meat Boy, Team Meat; Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery EP, Superbrothers + CAPY + Jim Guthrie; Swords & Soldiers HD, Ronimo Games; TRAUMA, Krystian Majewski; The Bard's Tale, inXile entertainment; The Basement Collection, Edmund McMillen and Tyler Glaiel; The Binding Of Isaac, Edmund McMillen and Florian Himsl; The Binding of Isaac + Wrath of the Lamb DLC, Edmund McMillen and Florian Himsl; The First Avernum Trilogy, Spiderweb Software; The Geneforge Saga, Spiderweb Software; The White Birch Prototype, Double Fine Productions; Thomas Was Alone, Mike Bithell; Ticket to Ride, Days of Wonder; Tiny & Big in Grandpa's Leftovers, Black Pants Game Studio; Toki Tori, Two Tribes; Torchlight, Runic Games; Trine, Frozenbyte; Trine 2: Complete Story, Frozenbyte; Uplink, Introversion Software; VVVVVV, Terry Cavanagh; Vessel, Strange Loop Games; Voxatron, Lexaloffle Games; Voxel Tech Demo, Introversion Software; Waking Mars, Tiger Style; Windosill, Vector Park; Wizorb, Tribute Games; World Of Goo, 2D Boy; Worms Reloaded, Team 17; Zen Bound 2, Secret Exit Ltd.; Zen Puzzle Garden, Lexaloffle Games

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (2)

dwarfsoft (461760) | about 8 months ago | (#45395455)

And to clarify, I now have about 150 games on steam, and at least 100 of those came from Humble bundles (I haven't purchased many from steam, but I have added non-steam games to my library).

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

jfbilodeau (931293) | about 8 months ago | (#45395483)

I'm counting 396 products in my Humble library. That includes all games, books, videos, etc...

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

jfbilodeau (931293) | about 8 months ago | (#45395591)

Oups! Bad counting on my part... Lots of dups.

Here's the list of Linux downloadable on my account: A Virus Named TOM, Air Forte, Amnesia: The Dark Descent, And Yet It Moves, Anodyne, Anomaly Korea, Anomaly Korea, Anomaly Warzone Earth, Anomaly Warzone Earth: Mobile Campaign, Aquaria, Atom Zombie Smasher, Avadon: The Black Fortress, Avadon: The Black Fortress, Awesomenauts, BIT.TRIP BEAT, BIT.TRIP RUNNER, Bastion, Battle Frogs, Beat Hazard Ultra, Blocks That Matter, Botanicula, Braid, Broken Sword: Director's Cut, Brütal Legend, Canabalt, Capsized, Catacomb Snatch, Cave Story+, Chocolate Castle, Closure, Cogs, Cortex Command, Costume Quest, Crayon Physics Deluxe, DEFCON, Darwinia, Dear Esther (CodeWeavers Port), Dear Esther (Native Port), Dungeon Defenders + All DLC, Dungeons of Dredmor, Dustforce, Dynamite Jack, EDGE, Eets Munchies, Endless Nuclear Kittens, English Country Tune, Eufloria HD, FEZ, FTL: Faster than Light, Fieldrunners, Fractal, Cipher Prime Studios, Frozen Synapse, Funky Smugglers, Gish, Gratuitous Space Battles, Greed Corp, Hammerfight, Hotline Miami, Incredipede, Indie Game: The Movie, Intrusion 2, Jack Claw, Jamestown, Jasper's Journeys, LIMBO, Legend of Grimrock, Little Inferno, Lone Survivor, Low Light Combat, Lugaru HD, Machinarium, Mark of the Ninja, McPixel, Multiwinia, NightSky, Nicalis, Nuclear Pizza War, Offspring Fling, Oil Rush, Organ Trail: Director's Cut, Osmos, Penumbra Overture, Proteus, Psychonauts, RUSH, Revenge of the Titans, Rochard, Rochard + Hard Times DLC, Rocketbirds: Hardboiled Chicken, Rogue Legacy, Samorost 2, Amanita Design, Shadowgrounds, Shadowgrounds: Survivor, Frozenbyte, Shank, Shank 2, Shatter, Sleepwalker's Journey, Snapshot, Snuggle Truck, Solar 2, Space Pirates and Zombies, SpaceChem, Spirits, Splice, Stacking, Stealth Bastard Deluxe, Steel Storm: Burning Retribution, Super Hexagon, Super Meat Boy, Superbrothers: Sword & Sworcery EP, Swords & Soldiers HD, TRAUMA, The Bard's Tale, The Basement Collection, The Binding Of Isaac, The Binding of Isaac + Wrath of the Lamb DLC, The Broadside Express, Thomas Was Alone, Ticket to Ride, Tiny & Big in Grandpa's Leftovers, Toki Tori, Torchlight, Trine, Trine 2: Complete Story, Uplink, VVVVVV, Vessel, Voxatron, Waking Mars, Wizorb, World Of Goo, Worms Reloaded, Zen Bound 2, Zen Puzzle Garden

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45397199)

I haven't even bought all the bundles and my steam total is over 150 games so it's not surprising.
Some of the bundles I've bought start with 6 base games and give you the same number of other games if you beat the average.
Plus the Tell-Tale episodes bundle counted as 20 something games there. (Every episode of Back to the Future, Sam and Man, Wallace and Grommit, Puzzle Agent, etc.)
Between the Humble Bundles and the more recent Weekly Bundles (5 to 10 games a week) there are well over 200 games that will register on Steam.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (2)

sts2nihon (2397022) | about 8 months ago | (#45395211)

I was puzzled by this statement as well...if I pull up the same games in Steam, they're the same price. It appears that charity gets a kickback if you buy it through the Humble Bundle store, though, which is kinda cool.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | about 8 months ago | (#45395431)

Yeah, it's a fixed amount (10%) though, unlike buying into Humble bundles.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395445)

I'm confused. "The Swapper" is $14.99 on Steam, but it's only $4.99 through the Humble Store. How is that the same price?

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395287)

The Humble Store is not competing with Steam.

That depends on your point of view. It doesn't at all compete with Steam as a digital content provider. It does compete with Steam as a digital marketplace.

The question here is how much of the money is going where? I was under the impression that Valve took a fixed percentage of Steam sales. If Humble now get a cut of that (for them or their charity) that would imply the dev gets less. If the devs wanted to have a sale of their product, why do that via Humble who will want a cut when they could do it via Steam who gets a cut anyway?

Do Steam/Valve get a smaller cut when the sale is done via a different store, and is Humble's cut likely to be less than just going for a full-priced Steam sale? I'm not sure I see the advantage for the devs otherwise.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45397147)

The difference is that all games available from the Humble Store are available without DRM. No pain-in-the-ass online activation, no pain-in-the-ass Steam client. That is plenty enough reason for the Humble Store to stomp Steam's ass into the dirt, at least for some of us.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

novakreo (598689) | about 8 months ago | (#45398227)

Unfortunately that's not actually true.

Of the Humble Store's nine launch titles, only five show a DRM-free icon. Presumably the others are Steam-only, which has been the case for many Humble Bundle games.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45398809)

If you walk around wearing pants, you don't really care about DRM. Pants are society's DRM! If you really hate DRM you'll stop wearing pants, otherwise you are just a hypocrite.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (1)

geminidomino (614729) | about 8 months ago | (#45399539)

Hell, that wasn't even true for the Bundles before they got into putting up YADDGS. More than one recent bundle has been DRM/Steam Required.

After the bad joke that was buying "indie" games to see EA's bloated chancre fill up my screen, ditching the No DRM promise was the last straw. I stopped paying attention to them.

Re:Most games can be registered with Steam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45399623)

YADDGS?

What is the Humble Bundle? (1)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | about 8 months ago | (#45395255)

Pls lern 2 rite sumari guise.

Re:What is the Humble Bundle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395299)

Pls lrn 2 google

Re:What is the Humble Bundle? (1)

Joining Yet Again (2992179) | about 8 months ago | (#45395391)

Yeah on that basis we could just replace the whole of Slashdot with, "Google for recent news then ramble angrily for a while somewhere."

Re:What is the Humble Bundle? (1)

khellendros1984 (792761) | about 8 months ago | (#45395727)

One of the links in the summary has a link to the store that has a "What is the Humble Bundle Store" link. There are also a number of previous Slashdot stories [slashdot.org] about the topic. I would've assumed that if someone hadn't heard of it by now, they're probably just not terribly interested in games. Then again, I'd also argue that the AC could've easily responded with the following, which perhaps should've been in the summary:

The Humble Bundles (previously known as Humble Indie Bundles) are a series of collections ("bundles") of digital creations that are sold and distributed online at a price determined by the purchaser. The bundles are typically offered on a semi-regular basis during a two-week period; sales often include bonus games or media offered mid-week through the sale for those that have already purchased the bundle or otherwise pay more than the average. Early bundles featured independently developed, multi-platform games (including Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux platforms) provided without digital rights management (DRM). Later bundles have included those geared towards games from established developers, games for Android-based devices, bundles promoting game jams, and in two cases, a bundle consisting of mainstream titles from a major publisher. Sales of bundles are split between the developers/creators, the Humble Bundle operators, and one or more charities including Child's Play, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, charity: water, and the American Red Cross, with the buyer able to set the revenue split between these groups.

Re:What is the Humble Bundle? (1)

jfbilodeau (931293) | about 8 months ago | (#45395681)

What is this 'google'?

Re:What is the Humble Bundle? (1)

jxander (2605655) | about 8 months ago | (#45396011)

Let me Bing that for you.

As a side note about Steam... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395315)

It seems that Steam is closer and closer to getting their lunch eaten. More sites are offering better classic games and with Amazon in on the fray it's only going to become tougher for Steam. I haven't bought a boxed game in years and lived on Steam exclusively about 18 months ago but today I hardly ever go into Steam. Aside from HalfLife 3 I just don't see much going on there that I can't get somewhere else.
 
Steam better hope that people migrate to SteamBox and that PS4 and XBO fail or they're going to be a second rate player in the market in a couple years.

Re:As a side note about Steam... (2)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 8 months ago | (#45395345)

The thing I hate about Steam is that the Steam client itself takes more time to load than World of Warcraft. This is on a 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo Mac mini with 8GB of RAM, I don't know if Steam is like that on Windows and Linux.

Re:As a side note about Steam... (1)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about 8 months ago | (#45395395)

Can confirm Steam starting up in 9 seconds here. Go prefetch!

Re:As a side note about Steam... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395411)

Steam's not like that on my rMBP. It sounds like you got something going on.

Re:As a side note about Steam... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395563)

Funny, Steam loads well enough on a modern system that has a CPU that isn't 4 generations old paired with a hard drive that isn't a 5400 RPM, low buffer, SATA 1 snail.

The Core2 used in that Mac Mini is a Penryn (I'm being generous here, it could be an older Merom) from the 2007/2008 timeframe. Intel has released Nehalem, Sandy Bridge, and Haswell since then (with their accompanying mid-lifecycle refreshes).

The drive wedged into that tiny case is probably also a 5400 RPM laptop drive, with maybe an 8 MB buffer. It hangs off of a good ol' SATA-1 bus, only capable of (theoretically) 1.5 Gbps. Compare that to a decent 7200 RPM drive with a 64 MB buffer on a SATA-3 (6.0 Gbps) bus, or better yet, an SSD that can actually use most of that bus speed.

Steam isn't terribly speedy on any platform, but your hardware ain't helping it any.

Re:As a side note about Steam... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395945)

The 'old' CPU is irrelevant. Steam shouldn't take longer to load than WoW.

Re:As a side note about Steam... (2)

khellendros1984 (792761) | about 8 months ago | (#45395801)

Well, that *is* a chip that came out nearly 5 1/2 years ago (assuming the mid-2010 Mac Mini that used a mid-2008 CPU), and the drive is an older laptop form factor drive.

Replace the 5400RPM drive with something snappier (SSD, or at least a 7200rpm platter drive), and you'll get better load times.

Re:As a side note about Steam... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45398103)

The thing I hate about steam is that this company spies on me. It is that they allow themselves to sell or even publish publicly any personal information they gathered on me (and they have my real name since I can't get a credit card with a pseudo). It is that they forbid me to sue them for any reasons. It is also that they can change their EULA whenever they want and if I refuse to accept whatever they want, then they forbid me to play any of the game I bought until I accept (and of course, I can't sue them if they do).

The fact that their client takes a bit of time to load is completely inconsequential.

Re:As a side note about Steam... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395439)

Since the humble store is also giving steam keys with their purchases for games that are on steam, I dont see it as much of an issue. Valve still gets a cut of the sale in issuing keys, probably just not as much as a sale directly through their store. As long as people are still using steam keys they will be just fine

The vast majority of my steam library has not been purchased through steam either, but most of it has all been redeemed on there through steam keys, usually other sellers have much better prices than steam even during steam sales

Re:As a side note about Steam... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395657)

No Steam/Valve doesn't get a cut from steam keys, but they still get first place for advestising their store when using steam, so I wouldn't worry about them.

Re:As a side note about Steam... (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | about 8 months ago | (#45399291)

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see viable competition to Steam (monopolies are not good for consumers in the long run) - but you're missing the whole point. Steam's position has never been stronger.

It doesn't matter to Valve that you can pick up old and low-budget games for cheaper elsewhere most of them time. There have been intermittent cases of GoG being cheaper than Steam on certain for a couple of years now. But it's irrelevant. Why?

First, these titles are a pretty small part of Steam's market. Steam is primarily about the higher end commercial market. Sure, the classic games are one of its income streams, but most people on there are either playing full-sized commercial games or monetised free to play titles like DoTA2. And in the former market in particular, Steam remains well ahead of the competition. Origin's pricing is better than it used to be on many titles, but it still struggles to match Steam on either variety or price point.

Second, Steam has a very, very aggressive and very potent flash sales model. Let's say Indie Game X is $9.99 on Steam and $8.99 on GoG or another competitor. Now, you could save a dollar by going for the GoG version. Or, if you're not desperate for the title, you could wait. Because come the summer sale, the Christmas sale or just one of the regular midweek, weekend or daily sales, you might be able to get that game off Steam for just $2.99.

Third, Steam is a lot more than just a storefront. It's also a fairly comprehensive suite of back-end functions, on a par with those offered by Xbox Live or the Playstation Network. Given a choice between a DRM-free version of a game and a Steam DRMed version, you'd expect most people to go for the former, right?

Wrong.

If you read articles like this [giantbomb.com] you can see pretty clearly that Steam copies of games are more sought-after than DRM free versions. People actually value the friends-list, messaging and other back-end services that go with Steam and they value them much more than they value concepts like the freedom to do what they want with software they've bought. That may be an unpopular sentiment on slashdot, but it is the way things are moving out there in the market.

Whether or not you agree with Steam's business practices, we are a long way from even starting to see signs of its decline.

Re:As a side note about Steam... (1)

ausekilis (1513635) | about 8 months ago | (#45400831)

As one of those people that love and hate steam, I must say it is nice to not have to deal with physical media and DRM. After all, most modern DRM is a phone-home that breaks onces the servers die. Steam, while still being an internet-connected application, can be run in offline mode and isn't incredibly intrusive. I have it running on my arcade cabinet that I keep disconnected from WiFi unless I need to update or download something. While I get a nag screen for being unable to connect (anyone know how to turn that off?), I'm able to play the games I legally bought for months without a connection, and updating them is as simple as activating WiFi.

Now if only Capcom would pull their heads out of their asses and stop with the GFWL AND Steam on their titles.....

Re:As a side note about Steam... (1)

V for Vendetta (1204898) | about 8 months ago | (#45402587)

While I get a nag screen for being unable to connect (anyone know how to turn that off?)

Haven't tried that in a long time, but it used to be:

  • Have internet connection and start Steam
  • In Steam, select "Offline mode" (or "Go offline", can't remember the exact phrase)
  • Exit Steam
  • Disconnect internet connection and start Steam again. It should remember it's offline setting.

The admittedly weird and counter-intuitive thing is to be online to go offline ...

Impact on Future Bundle Pricing (2)

SlashdotOgre (739181) | about 8 months ago | (#45395415)

It will be interesting to see if this move will impact future bundles. I am curious if they will be willing to cannibalize their own store sales, and if other vendors might be less willing to work with them now that they have a permanent store (and might be viewed as a competitor).

Re:Impact on Future Bundle Pricing (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about 8 months ago | (#45400833)

Maybe, but the people who sell their games in bundles don't really seem to be that concerned with maximizing profit. If you're putting your games in the bundle, you're accepting the possibility that many people might give you literally a penny for your game, or donate everything to charity or the humble bundle team rather than you. I suspect people who participate in the bundles have their own reasons, like wanting to generate PR. EA got people to start using origin with their bundle (they at least got one person to use it occasionally: me). They might put the previous games in the series up to drum up interest for the newest sequel. So I'm guessing the reasons people put their games into bundles won't be changed.

As far as steam or origin go, I also doubt it. I'm guessing that if someone puts their game for sale on humble bundle store, it will also be discounted on steam. That seems to happen a lot when I compare games on sale on GOG with the price on steam: they're usually close in price.

Aaand, dead to me. (-1, Flamebait)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 8 months ago | (#45395417)

Ten percent of all purchases will go to vital causes like American Red Cross,

The Red Cross knew about the concentration camps in Germany during WWII, but did nothing to help them. Yes, there's proof [icrc.org] . But besides throwing the Jews under the bus, they also won't accept [harbus.org] blood donations from gay men. Wait, I know what you're going to say: it's the government and they're just going along with it. But small problem -- They went far above and beyond. They added an arbitrary list of African countries to their no-fly list (cough) without explanation beyond compliance with the aforementioned federal law. Except there's no federal guidelines on that -- they did that on their own initiative. And double discrimination bonus: Most of the people from those countries? Black. Related -- the current justification by the FDA is that removing this barrier and allowing those groups to donate blood would result in an increase in HIV-positive transfusions in .0000000016% of the blood supply. You be the judge there.

Here's the thing guys... there are some organizations I don't want to donate money to. I know you're thinking being charitable with the game purchase is a noble thing (and it is!), but why not let us choose which ones do, and do not, get our money? I will never donate to the Red Cross, and because of your policy, I will now never buy your games. Which is unfortunate, because I'm sure you have a few worth playing.

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | about 8 months ago | (#45395487)

Only the store is donating to Red Cross. You can continue buying bundles, since they tell you exactly who it's going to for each sale.

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (2)

evilviper (135110) | about 8 months ago | (#45395527)

The Red Cross knew about the concentration camps in Germany during WWII, but did nothing to help them. Yes, there's proof.

Your link says in no uncertain terms: "Unfortunately, documentary evidence is incomplete and leaves room for uncertainty"

they also won't accept blood donations from gay men

That's not really persecution there... Being able to skip-out on blood drives and ditch military conscription seem like POSITIVES to me.

Now, if they wouldn't give TRANSFUSIONS *to* gay men, that would be something different entirely.

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (0)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 8 months ago | (#45396751)

Your link says in no uncertain terms: "Unfortunately, documentary evidence is incomplete and leaves room for uncertainty"

A slightly longer quote: "Unfortunately, documentary evidence is incomplete and leaves room for uncertainty. Some conclusions can nevertheless be drawn from the works of historians[...] And later: "there is no doubt that senior ICRC officials had become aware of the genocide by the summer of 1942." and then "it is known of course that the German Red Cross was itself under Nazi control and that its main leaders took part in the persecution and genocide." And the closer: "These actions are not negligible, since every life saved is priceless, but they cannot obscure the fact that, overall, the ICRC's efforts were a failure."

But thanks for quoting the ONLY HALF OF A SENTENCE to support your cracked out position.

That's not really persecution there... Being able to skip-out on blood drives and ditch military conscription seem like POSITIVES to me.

Perhaps not everyone shares your devotion to avoiding civil service and shirking responsibility?

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 8 months ago | (#45396959)

But thanks for quoting the (sic) ONLY HALF OF A SENTENCE

Do you know what a "sentence" is? I ask because I definitely quoted it in it's entirety, with the sole exception of omitting the period...

Let's try another quote:

In 1942: " Burckhardt added that since there was no place where they could be resettled, this could only mean one thing."

Except that really wasn't true, until Madagascar was recaptured by the British in November 1942:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan [wikipedia.org]

Perhaps not everyone shares your devotion to avoiding civil service and shirking responsibility?

That doesn't change the fact that being excluded from responsibilities is hardly persecution.

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (0)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 8 months ago | (#45397305)

That doesn't change the fact that being excluded from responsibilities is hardly persecution.

And if you're broke, and everyone else can donate plasma or blood for cash and you can't... That's not discriminatory either.

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 8 months ago | (#45397691)

And if you're broke, and everyone else can donate plasma or blood for cash and you can't...

Except it's sorta completely illegal to pay someone for blood, tissue, or organ donations.

To be fair, there are some loop-holes, allowing "gifts" to donors, like so:

http://www.idle.slashdot.org/story/10/01/12/1713201/Bloodmobile-Offers-Beer-To-Blood-Donors [slashdot.org]

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 8 months ago | (#45397719)

I should also mention that, yes, Plasma is one of those loop-hole cases, where most donors get a tiny amount of cash for their time. But any number of other factors can disqualify anyone from doing that.

And there's a good FDA write-up quite intelligently explaining the policy:

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts/QuestionsaboutBlood/ucm108186.htm [fda.gov]

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (2)

HeckRuler (1369601) | about 8 months ago | (#45395673)

the current justification by the FDA is that removing this barrier and allowing those groups to donate blood would result in an increase in HIV-positive transfusions in .0000000016% of the blood supply. You be the judge there.

Ok.

There's a statistically higher number of gay men and africans with AIDS.
There's a percentage of blood that slips through quality control and doesn't get tested.
Globally around 85 million units of red blood cells are transfused in a given year.

Cite the 0.0000000016%, otherwise I believe you're pulling a number out of your ass.

Hey, did you know that, in the past and currently, there were complete asshats that did asshat-like things who were part of the gay community, the church, open-source movement, BSA, childsplay, England, AnimalAid, academia, and/or $YOURFAVORITEORGANIZATION?

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (0)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 8 months ago | (#45396779)

Cite the 0.0000000016%, otherwise I believe you're pulling a number out of your ass.

You mean like the link I provided to you in my original post that you totally ignored? Let me put it up there for you again: The link you missed [harbus.org] .

And let me now quote for you directly from that link, since apparently your left mouse button broke:

The FDA consulted its panel of scientific advisers in September of 2000 about revising the policy regarding MSM disqualification to allow MSM to donate if they have been abstinent for five years, and the panel voted 7-6 against revising the standards. Using a series of statistical assumptions, a panel doctor estimated that potentially 1 or 2 infected units of blood per year could reach the blood supply if the policy were relaxed. The U.S. collects approximately 12 million units of blood per year.

1.5 divided by 12 million equals... wait for it... 0.0(...)016%

Hey, did you know that, in the past and currently, there were complete asshats that did asshat-like things who were part of the gay community, the church, open-source movement, BSA, childsplay, England, AnimalAid, academia, and/or $YOURFAVORITEORGANIZATION?

Yes, I do. But few organizations have made it an institutional priority to discriminate against them, and for those few that have, I take special care in not supporting them. And for the record, I don't worry about whether or not there's discrimination in the charity money I give away... because I go out on the street, find someone who needs help, and then help them. Myself.

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (2)

Stormy Dragon (800799) | about 8 months ago | (#45395729)

The Red Cross knew about the concentration camps in Germany during WWII, but did nothing to help them.

What exactly do you expect them to have done? Send one of their armored divisions to overthrow Hitler?

they also won't accept [harbus.org] blood donations from gay men.

Because federal law won't let them.

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 8 months ago | (#45396795)

The Red Cross knew about the concentration camps in Germany during WWII, but did nothing to help them.

What exactly do you expect them to have done? Send one of their armored divisions to overthrow Hitler?

No, I expect them to have gone to the allied powers, who did have armored divisions and tell them what was going on. The allies arrived in Germany weeks after the landing to find bodies rotting in open air, where the Germans had simply locked all the gates and abandoned them to fate. They could have saved those lives -- and they didn't. They made a choice not to. At no point during the war, until the pictures were on the front pages of all the newspapers and the true horror of what had been going on inside Germany's borders had been revealed, did they pop their head in at Geneva and say "oh yeah, we totally knew about that."

they also won't accept [harbus.org] blood donations from gay men.

Because federal law won't let them.

And I see they're fighting real hard to end that discrimination right now too. Oh wait, they aren't. In fact, they petitioned the FDA to continue it; As it is FDA guideline not federal law that is the administrative body behind the rule.

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (1)

brit74 (831798) | about 8 months ago | (#45397021)

Out of curiosity, do you think that Red Cross employees are aliens from another planet, or do you think that Red Cross employees in Germany might've been Germans and that they might've sympathized with the Nazis? It just seems like a strange argument to make - that German Red Cross employees should be impervious to being swept up in the ideas of "normal" Germans, and that the International Red Cross is responsible for the behavior of their German employees during the Second World War.

I'm actually thinking that IBM (a non-German company who helped Germany) and BMW (a German company who built weapons for the Nazis) are actually more culpable for harm done during WW2 than the Red Cross is. (I assume you're still boycotting them.)

Personally, I was pretty annoyed that the Red Cross was offering first aid to Jihadi fighters in Afghanistan/Pakistan. Though, in their defense, they have a policy of taking no sides in a conflict, and I would suppose that it might help protect them from being killed by those reprehensible Jihadis.

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 8 months ago | (#45397243)

Out of curiosity, do you think that Red Cross employees are aliens from another planet, or do you think that Red Cross employees in Germany might've been Germans and that they might've sympathized with the Nazis?

If you read the link, you'd know that headquarters knew; They were in Switzerland. They remained silent. It wasn't just those "evil germans".

I'm actually thinking that IBM (a non-German company who helped Germany) and BMW (a German company who built weapons for the Nazis) are actually more culpable for harm done during WW2 than the Red Cross is. (I assume you're still boycotting them.)

Yes, actually.

ersonally, I was pretty annoyed that the Red Cross was offering first aid to Jihadi fighters in Afghanistan/Pakistan.

Well, the same could be said about Doctors Without Borders; A life is a life. Unless, apparently, you were Jewish or gay. And that's what I have a problem with; Selective application of ideals. Yeah, they say they've learned their lesson... but have they? The Red Cross has been getting caught in too many controversies even recently... google their hatchet job on the 9/11 donations.

It's just irritating that Slashdot collectively missed the point when they modbombed me, which is this: Let me choose which charities get my money... don't shove it down my throat. It's just poor marketing; A good idea but a bad implimentation. It would be trivial to select which charity at checkout and eliminate the problem... but nobody thought of it.

And apparently, if Slashdot is any indication, there's actually resistance to the idea that someone could object to certain charities. I mean, they're all good, right? :/

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (1)

Stormy Dragon (800799) | about 8 months ago | (#45397051)

1. The allies were perfectly aware of what was going on in the concentration camps. They just did not consider dealing it to be a priority. So your proposed course of action would have absolutely zero effect on what happened.

2. The Red Cross (along with the AMA and AABB) has been against the ban on MSM blood donation since 2006.

Ten percent of purchases will go to vital causes (1)

frovingslosh (582462) | about 8 months ago | (#45395749)

There is a lot more wrong with the group than just that. And I'm not too crazy about the other groups either. Quite frankly, I would be willing to pay more if I knew that none of the money was going to these "charities". That doesn't seem to be an option, but not buying is.

Re:Ten percent of purchases will go to vital cause (1)

Anti-Social Network (3032259) | about 8 months ago | (#45396433)

Every bundle has had the option to change how the money you pay is divided. You can give it all to charity, all to developers, or for whatever silly reason, all to the Humble Tip option if you want. You can also customize which charity, which developer, gets how much of the alloted portion of the total. Personally, what with all the things happening lately, I've been favoring the EFF heavily in my purchases.

Re:Ten percent of purchases will go to vital cause (1)

Purity Of Essence (1007601) | about 8 months ago | (#45397535)

That's how Humble Bundles work. The Humble Store is different. It has fixed prices and the customer has no control over how their money is used. It is possible developers have a say but this has not yet been made clear.

Re:Ten percent of purchases will go to vital cause (1)

Purity Of Essence (1007601) | about 8 months ago | (#45405009)

Lizzie Cuevas, Director of Communications at Humble Bundle Inc. says:

"The charity split is and always will be a fixed 10% of Humble Store purchases. The charity list will change with time and giving both developers and customers the option to choose charities is something we will consider in the future."

http://indiestatik.com/2013/11/12/humble-store/ [indiestatik.com]

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (1)

khellendros1984 (792761) | about 8 months ago | (#45396081)

Stated another way, 0.0000000016% is 1 in 62,500,000,000. Apparently, "As of 2008, the WHO [who.int] estimated that more than 81 million units of blood were being collected annually." If a single unit of that blood were to be found contaminated, that would constitute a 0.0000012% contamination of the supply, which makes is sound like the FDA is making something like 1:750 odds that adding some African countries to Red Cross donation lists would introduce a *single* tainted unit of blood.

Also from the WHO site:

25 countries are not able to screen all donated blood for one or more of the above infections. [HIV, hepatitis B, hepatitis C and syphilis]

24% blood donations in low-income countries are not screened following basic quality procedures which include documented standard operating procedures and participation in an external quality assurance scheme.

The prevalence of transfusion-transmissible infections (TTIs) in blood donations in high-income countries is considerably lower than in low- and middle-income countries. The prevalence of HIV in blood donations in high-income countries is 0.003% (median), in comparison with 0.1% and 0.6% in middle- and low-income countries respectively.

With those things in mind, I don't have a problem of disallowing donations from certain countries, in theory. In practice, it depends on exactly which countries are on the "no-fly list", and the safety statistics of those countries.

Also, the American Red Cross has called for an end [archive.org] to the lifetime male homosexual donation ban.

I'd prefer to give to other charities with lower administrative overhead, but none of the information you've provided argues compellingly for a boycott of Humble Bundle...then again, that's your choice to make for yourself.

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45398199)

"they also won't accept blood donations from gay men"

So? Here in Quebec, anyone who spent more than three months in the UK or France between January 1, 1980 and December 31, 1996 cannot give blood. Basically, because I spent 6 months in France in 1996, I'm now considered subhuman. And you know what? I don't make a fuss about it.

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (1)

mlk (18543) | about 8 months ago | (#45400229)

What is the reasoning behind that?

Re:Aaand, dead to me. (1)

V for Vendetta (1204898) | about 8 months ago | (#45402837)

The Red Cross knew about the concentration camps in Germany during WWII, but did nothing to help them.

The Red Cross is strictly apolitical. Only this allows them to go and help everywhere. As soon as they would take sides in a conflict, they're out of (their) business. The more lunatic a leader is (think e.g. Assad/Syria these days), the more likely he would deny the RC to enter his country and help. And most of the time (the people in) these countries need help the most.

"Vital" causes? (0)

loufoque (1400831) | about 8 months ago | (#45395559)

Am I the only one that laughed when I saw vital causes next to American Red Cross, Child’s Play, Electronic Frontier Foundation, World Land Trust and charity:water?

Fr1st Tpsot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45395981)

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site not working in magiea 3 64bit (1)

snakeplissken (559127) | about 8 months ago | (#45396073)

currently humblebundle.com/store doesn't load in my linux distro using firefox (24.1.0 esr) and for the past few weeks the weekly and bundle pages haven't worked properly either, i can see the advertised games but the javascript for selecting the payment amount doesn't work, once purchased (using firefox on windows vm) the download page won't respond to clicks to show steam keys or select bittorrent, merely scrolling to the top of the page if not already there. i emailed support, they recommend using a different browser, well konqueror doesn't work either (always used to along with firefox) and i'm not installing a browser specially for one web site

snake

Re:site not working in magiea 3 64bit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45398209)

cool story bro paragraphs are so overrated

Re:site not working in magiea 3 64bit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45398321)

About selecting the payment amount I had the same problem recently. I seem to think that I had to click on it, then reload the page. Also for another site I was having problems with Javascript and by clearing the recent history from the tools sub-menu helped to get it working again.

About switching on the download page, I had the same problem if I had the cookies disabled, but once I enabled them, I was able to switch back and forth.

Re:site not working in magiea 3 64bit (1)

Mashdar (876825) | about 8 months ago | (#45398353)

It loaded for me on Mint 14 and Firefox 24. I had to enable access to "akamaihd.com" and "stripe.com".

Headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45401843)

In case this doesn't work out, let's hope someone uses something to this effect:
Humble Bundles stumbles; CEO bumbles, mumble stockholders.

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