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GOCE Satellite Burned Up Over Falkland Islands

Unknown Lamer posted about 9 months ago | from the burning-up dept.

Space 107

An anonymous reader writes with an update on the fate of the GOCE satellite. From the article: "The mystery of GOCE's re-entry has now been solved — the one-ton satellite came down over the Falkland Islands, a British overseas territory 300 miles east of the Patagonian coast in the South Atlantic Ocean."

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All Clear! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45396813)

I can safely come out of my basement now. The tinfoil hat will remain firmly seated though.

Re:All Clear! (4, Insightful)

Jstlook (1193309) | about 9 months ago | (#45397439)

I have to point out that, unless you've been handed that tinfoil hat from your great-grandfather, you're likely wearing aluminum foil. Brain waves are actually transparent to Aluminum foil and essentially make it easier for Them to hear, whereas Tin foil shields your brain-waves from Them. I don't mean to scare you or anything, but I figured that if you really value your privacy you ought to know.

Tinfoil is not suitable for cold climate (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397499)

I have to point out that, unless you've been handed that tinfoil hat from your great-grandfather, you're likely wearing aluminum foil. Brain waves are actually transparent to Aluminum foil and essentially make it easier for Them to hear, whereas Tin foil shields your brain-waves from Them. I don't mean to scare you or anything, but I figured that if you really value your privacy you ought to know

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Re:All Clear! (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | about 9 months ago | (#45397605)

Brain waves are actually transparent to Aluminum foil and essentially make it easier for Them to hear, whereas Tin foil shields your brain-waves from Them. I don't mean to scare you or anything, but I figured that if you really value your privacy you ought to know.

Science fail. They're both metal. Both would act as antennas unless grounded. Conversely, it would also make it easier for you to tune into Their thoughts. But let's be honest... you really don't want that. It's like googling for something innocent and getting a face full of porn and then having your boss walk by at that exact moment.

Re:All Clear! (0)

philip.paradis (2580427) | about 9 months ago | (#45397831)

I have a lovely hat for you. It's fashioned from pure curium, and you'll undoubtedly be the first on the block to wear one.

Re:All Clear! (1)

unitron (5733) | about 9 months ago | (#45398293)

A Face Full of Porn.

Now there's a movie title.

Re:All Clear! (1)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about 9 months ago | (#45399651)

Or a band name.

Re: All Clear! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45399635)

Depends on the wavelength. Some xrays go right through Al but not through Sn.

Re:All Clear! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45399925)

This whole "acting as antenna unless grounded" thing is getting on my nerves. It's fucking meaningless. Ground impedance at contemporary radio frequencies sucks so thoroughly that the whole concept should be best forgotten about. The soil is an RF-absorber, that's all. A length of wire longer than a tenth or two of a wavelength is not an effective short anymore. The free-space wavelength at 2.4GHz is about 5 inches, for crying out loud.

Re:All Clear! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45400411)

Holy shit, WOOSH to you and the moderators. Insightful??? Really???? I got a grin out of it bur insightful is NOT a moderation for a funny yet incorrect comment.

mixup at the Falkland Islands. (5, Funny)

Gravis Zero (934156) | about 9 months ago | (#45396839)

I dont think that's what they meant when they said they wanted Satellite TV.

From the not las Malvinas dept (1)

hedley (8715) | about 9 months ago | (#45396849)

Was that you Margaret?

Re:From the not las Malvinas dept (1, Troll)

gmhowell (26755) | about 9 months ago | (#45396985)

Was that you Margaret?

Ding, dong, the wicked witch is dead!

Re:From the not las Malvinas dept (1)

Hartree (191324) | about 9 months ago | (#45397077)

"Ding, dong, the wicked witch is dead!"

See, now that she's gone, the world is perfect and Britain would never do anything bad like spoof slashdot.

Oh, wait...

Re:From the not las Malvinas dept (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397491)

Re:From the not las Malvinas dept (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397579)

AKA: when you've done something as important to humanity as bringing the end of the Soviet Union, then maybe you have room to criticise her legacy.

Re:From the not las Malvinas dept (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45399615)

Wait, who mentioned Gorbachev?

Re:From the not las Malvinas dept (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45402165)

The One that brought down the USSR was no other than President Reagan with the help of Premier Gorvachov. You brits are full of self importance and full of it.

Re:From the not las Malvinas dept (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397631)

You forgot one. [youtube.com]

Re:From the not las Malvinas dept (1)

unitron (5733) | about 9 months ago | (#45398295)

Was that you Margaret?

Thatcher, or Hamilton?

British? (0, Flamebait)

SmarterThanMe (1679358) | about 9 months ago | (#45396855)

...There are some Argentinians who would like to have a word with you, Unknown Lamer. ;)

Re:British? (1)

slimjim8094 (941042) | about 9 months ago | (#45397027)

I'm sure they would. It can't do them any less good than their war with the British, and continued attempts to convince the actual residents that they don't want to be British citizens.

Re:British? (1, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | about 9 months ago | (#45397165)

I never did understand that.

It would be one thing if the residents on the island identified with being Argentinian and the majority wished to be part of that country. However, it's not.

Why does Argentina continue to assert that the island is theirs at all?

It's about the same stupidity that China engages in claiming that Taiwan is theirs.

Re:British? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397205)

Because the island were taken by force by the british before.

Re:British? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397405)

> Because the island were taken by force by the british before.

Yeah, but from whom? Not from anyone that could be considered the current Argentine government.

Re:British? (2)

isorox (205688) | about 9 months ago | (#45398489)

Because the island were taken by force by the british before.

Back in 1766? When MacBride attacked those penguins?

The Falklands have had been British for at least 170 years.

Re:British? (4, Informative)

Alioth (221270) | about 9 months ago | (#45398927)

When the Argentinians return Argentina to the control of the natives they took Argentina from by force, then perhaps they might have a point (and not a very good one - who did the British take the Falklands from by force? No one actually lived on those islands when the British first settled there). The Falklands haven't ever been Argentinian, and furthermore the Spanish name for them (Las Malvinas) isn't even Spanish, it's derived from French (the French explorer Louis Antoine de Bougainville gave them the name îles Malouines derived from the name Saint-Malo in France, which became Las Malvinas in Spanish).

Saying Argentina should have them because they are close to Argentina is like saying Puerto Rico should be given to Cuba because it's closer to Cuba than the USA.

Re:British? (2)

Xest (935314) | about 9 months ago | (#45399329)

"Saying Argentina should have them because they are close to Argentina is like saying Puerto Rico should be given to Cuba because it's closer to Cuba than the USA."

Or Alaska given to Canada/Russia, or Ireland be put back wholly under British control, or the Chinese claim to the likes of Tibet, Taiwan and so forth formalised and accepted internationally.

You're exactly right and this highlights why the geographical argument is utter nonsense.

Beyond that the other arguments just don't go in Argentina's favour - the citizenship obviously don't want to be Argentinian, the "who got there first" argument goes entirely against Argentina because it was the British or the French, and France supports Britain's claim and beyond that it's back to "But the Spanish gave it to us!" - yes, except it wasn't Spain's to give because Spain did to the British there exactly what Argentina is claiming the British did to them so by their own logic if you follow the who took it from who argument back to square one then you just return to "who got there first" which makes it firmly an Anglo-French affair.

But the bigger problem for Argentina is that there have been times in the past where the British have been willing to work with Argentina on the islands - joint exploration with Anglo-Argentinian participation in oil exploration for example but every time Argentina gets into a crisis it's inept leadership decides to play hardball to try and bolster their image at home and it goes tits up. If Argentina behaved itself, was constructive, and could run it's own country successfully without going bankrupt the chances are the populace of the Falklands would've been willing to voluntarily go under Argentinian control by now simply because it'd be far more practical for them to do so.

So they shoot themselves in the foot entirely by being combative and by using it as their favourite political scapegoat every time they fuck up.

If Argentina wants the Falklands there's a simple solution - stop being a bunch of dicks, be nice to the islanders and give them a reason to want to be Argentinian. The very fact they don't do this shows how much Argentina's interest in the Falklands is about resorting to populism in the face of political ineptitude rather than absolutely anything else.

As an aside, I also firmly believe this is where the US went wrong with Cuba. Rather then perpetuating the embargo they have on Cuba put in place since the Cuban missile crisis I'd wager that after the fall of the soviet union that if the US had free trade with Cuba it'd be so westernised right now with millions of American tourists and imports that it'd probably be racing against Puerto Rico for 51st state status and would likely be a thriving democracy.

It may sound wishy washy but the reality is if you want something from someone it's generally better to not try and play the bully towards them. Especially so when they have a brother that can be a far bigger bully than you are looking over them.

I don't think anyone in the UK really gives a shit if the Falklands want to go under Argentinian control voluntarily, but we're not going to put up with them being bullied into it. Argentinians need to think about the alternative and see how they'd feel if we resolved the proximity argument by just taking over Argentina and making them British by force instead - sound like a horrible, unfair, frustrating, anger-inducing idea? It should, that's how you make the Falklanders feel each time you open your mouths on the issue.

Re:British? (1)

hjf (703092) | about 9 months ago | (#45399921)

and beyond that it's back to "But the Spanish gave it to us!" - yes, except it wasn't Spain's to give

Pretty much the same as Gibraltar, no? The dutch gave it to England... except it wasn't theirs to give.

but every time Argentina gets into a crisis it's inept leadership

Corrupt leadership. FTFY.

If Argentina wants the Falklands there's a simple solution - stop being a bunch of dicks, be nice to the islanders and give them a reason to want to be Argentinian.

That's not true. Before the war, the islanders would come to Argentina and buy groceries and supplies here. They had a good relation with us. After the war, everything changed. The islanders are proud to be british. And if you think the UK, which has both economical (oil) and strategical (military bases) in the Malvinas would even think of letting the islanders have any real control over the islands, you're a fool. The fact that the islanders continue agreeing to being under UK control is because they're clever enough not to fall into the independentist revolutionarism mindset that Latin America has. The difference being that Spain never saw America as a territory to populate and extend. Spain was just a leech, sucking up all resources America had. Tremendous amounts of gold and silver were taken. Hundreds of thousands massacred. Spain never meant to negotiate or give people living there anything at all. They saw all the people living there as either slaves or tools to the empire. And that's why Latin America in general insists with the independentism. Because we've been looted by Spain.
UK had a subtler approach. The main expression of this being Australia, a territory that was populated by the british and thrives now. The UK didn't go committing genocide against all natives and just taking everything they could, and load into ships to take to the queen. They had a naughty child, yes, one that dared to go in a war with them, and win it. But that child is now their biggest partner (as a side note: Spain is the largest investor in Argentina).
At the time of independentist revolution in Latin America, the UK was under a different kind of revolution. The industrial one. The UK needed to export their production, and Latin America, the new, unpopulated territory, with no infrastructure, was an excellent candidate. So the UK supported the independence in Latin America, and built a LOT of infrastructure. If you pay attention, in the old parts of Buenos Aires, you can see "MADE IN ENGLAND" written in a lot of things. From the beautiful bronze door of what's now ICBC bank, to the subways of BA. Of course, the UK was clever enough to prevent Latin Americans from establishing their own trade routes, by building railroads that couldn't connect between countries (they made Argentina and Brazil different gauges).

we're not going to put up with them being bullied into it

I don't think any of you NATO members have a moral authority to call anyone else a "bully".

Also, you're obviously not even remotely an expert in international relationships. Let's make it easier for you: if Argentina "sits down to negotiate", that act itself would be considered defeat, and it would mean Argentina doubts its sovereignity over the islands. As a sovereign country, with a claim over a territory, Argentina can't and won't ever "negotiate" anything. As an example, look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disputed_status_of_Gibraltar#British_position [wikipedia.org]

The UK Government will never — 'never' is a seldom-used word in politics — enter into an agreement on sovereignty without the agreement of the Government of Gibraltar and their people. In fact, we will never even enter into a process without that agreement. The word 'never' sends a substantial and clear commitment and has been used for a purpose. We have delivered that message with confidence to the peoples and the Governments of Gibraltar and Spain. It is a sign of the maturity of our relationship now that that is accepted as the UK's position.

So, see? Argentina is not that crazy. We play the same international politics rethorics game everyone else plays.

Re:British? (1)

Xest (935314) | about 9 months ago | (#45400253)

"Pretty much the same as Gibraltar, no? The dutch gave it to England... except it wasn't theirs to give."

Sure, but it's not Britain making the argument is it? It's Argentina.

"And if you think the UK, which has both economical (oil) and strategical (military bases) in the Malvinas would even think of letting the islanders have any real control over the islands, you're a fool."

Been swallowing your nation's propaganda I see. Tell me, what exactly do you expect us to do with a military base in the South Atlantic? It's a launch point for exactly nothing. The only reason there's a worthwhile military base there in the first place is precisely because Argentina invaded. The oil claim is unproven still and until the Kirchner dynasty decided to cut off it's nose to spite it's face the British government invited Argentina into joint oil exploration rights anyway. This is because a cooperative agreement where oil could be piped direct to Argentina would allow much quicker and more efficient exploitation of the resources if they actually exist - it would be a mutually beneficial partnership but Kirchner needed the Falklands for political propaganda once more so threw it all away.

"I don't think any of you NATO members have a moral authority to call anyone else a "bully"."

Nonsense. Just because NATO and the UK are bullies doesn't remove the right to also call other nations bullies. The UK may well be a bully of weaker nations, but weaker nations can still bully even weaker nations or territories again, and they deserve to be called out on that as much as we do. We don't get to go and rob the local cash machine because someone else robbed a bank and say "You have no right to call me a criminal, that guy robbed a whole bank!".

"So, see? Argentina is not that crazy. We play the same international politics rethorics game everyone else plays."

You realise Gibraltar isn't the Falklands right? Even if the British government has used the term never in relation to Gibraltar it most certainly hasn't with the Falklands - our PMs have consistently followed the line that they wont negotiate sovereignty whilst the islanders want to remain British - that's explicitly conditional so it's obvious what the Argentinians want to do if they really want it - make the islanders want to be Argentinian by treating them better though yes, that's going to be pretty fucking difficult after you invaded them. It'll take time and it's not impossible, but each time you threaten them and use them as scapegoats for your own internal problems you're only making it more difficult and causing it to take even longer.

"Let's make it easier for you: if Argentina "sits down to negotiate", that act itself would be considered defeat"

This is further nonsense, your own country's exact position is that it wants to sit down and negotiate over the islands because UN resolution 2065 stated we should do exactly that. Our government refuses to because it views it as pointless as the islanders don't want anything other than to remain British right now:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23596312 [bbc.co.uk]

How can you criticise someone else for not understanding international politics when you don't even understand the position of your own country on the issue in question?

Re:British? (1)

jonbryce (703250) | about 9 months ago | (#45399187)

No it wasn't. It was unoccupied when the British arrived.

Re:British? (1)

Xest (935314) | about 9 months ago | (#45399423)

I think he's referring to the fact that when the Spanish left the British took control again, but that ignores the fact that the Spanish had already taken it from Britain/France in the first place.

So the argument is self-defeating anyway, if you argue that it's wrong for Britain to claim it back from Spanish rule after they left and told Argentina they could have it because you believe it's wrong to seize by force then you also have to accept that it was wrong for the Spanish to claim it from the original Anglo-French arrivals.

Effectively what people such as the AC are trying to do is argue that it was only wrong when the British did it and not when the Spanish did it first, which is logically inconsistent.

Re:British? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45399691)

Indeed so much force was uses that noone was hurt and no shots were fired.

Re:British? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45402303)

For strategic sheep purposes!

Re:British? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 9 months ago | (#45397403)

Is it ever politically inconvenient to have a wicked foreign enemy, close enough to be viscerally insulting, distant enough to not be a real problem?

Re:British? (1)

lvxferre (2470098) | about 9 months ago | (#45397747)

I never did understand that.

I do.

Most Argies don't give a fuck about those islands. However, they're a convenient excuse from Argentinian government to shift focus from whatever current problem the country has to the same old nationalist babble.

It's like that in the whole Latin America, by the way... just with different "targets".

Re:British? (1)

dkf (304284) | about 9 months ago | (#45398237)

It's like that in the whole Latin America, by the way... just with different "targets".

Not just Latin America. It's a favoured tactic of politicians the world over. Why do something about a real problem (that's expensive and might not work!) when you can stir up fuss and bother about foreigners?

Re:British? (2)

Idetuxs (2456206) | about 9 months ago | (#45398349)

Exactly. And as "dfk" says, it's a universal government tactic.

I'm form Argentina and I've got to say it's insulting the way they use this. They not only just focuses on the target for a few months (furiously I may say) but appeal on feelings like patriotism, because the target ALWAYS want to destroy the country and the democracy. (resemble other country of America?)

The worst of all is.. a lot of people buy it.

So moronic.

Re:British? (1)

xelah (176252) | about 9 months ago | (#45399363)

Both sides assert that the islands are theirs because it's popular. Everyone likes to see their country have shiny things, especially if it means getting one over on another country. And it's a convenient (yuck) patriotic distraction from the governments' other failings. And the war made it much harder for their to be any sort of peaceful settlement...when hundreds of people die defending something it gets a lot harder for politicians to explain wanting to go back on their earlier position. (I think people should remember, however, that the islands were attacked by a military dictatorship but now claimed by a democracy(-ish)).

The arguments advanced by the two sides I think have little relation to the real reasons and are never going to get anyone anywhere. Argentinians cite geography and the bit of its history they like. The British cite the bits of history /they/ like, and the opinion of the residents. Both have counter-arguments to anything the other side can say.

Meanwhile it makes not the slightest difference to the lives of almost anybody in the two countries.

Re:British? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45399661)

The problem with the way you phrase that is that you leave out that the British are citing the parts of history they like that are relevant to international law concerning territorial claims as well as the will of the people who live there having the right to self-determination. Argentina is citing the part of history they didn't decide was a big deal until the 1930's when their Nazi pals decided to get them all riled up. They're also conveniently ignoring the huge swaths of land they stole from Chile by the same logic.

Two sides having differing opinions doesn't mean they're equally valid.

Re:British? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397231)

Please, read better information sources. They is no doubt about the actual residents' nationality, the conflict is because of the land.

Re:British? (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 9 months ago | (#45398795)

They is no doubt about the actual residents' nationality

Well, there wasn't until Maggie took it away, by accident.

Re:British? (1)

isorox (205688) | about 9 months ago | (#45398469)

I'm sure they would. It can't do them any less good than their war with the British, and continued attempts to convince the actual residents that they don't want to be British citizens.

No, they don't do that.

They claim the residents (who have been there for generations) don't have a right to self determination.

Satellite (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45396861)

So... the satellite came down overhttp://science.slashdot.org/story/13/11/12/0140241/goce-satellite-burned-up-over-falkland-islands# the Malvinas Islands, I understand.

Where the hell is that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45396867)

Falkland Islands? Whoever heard of them? Must be pretty goddamned unimportant...

Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45396899)

I mean, is so hard to say that? that Islas Malvinas are 300 miles east of Argentina?

BTW, looking at the picture shown in the link, you can see how much closer is Islas Malvinas to Argentina than to other countries, like, for example, UK.

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45396971)

The people who live there aren't of Argentinian descent.

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397735)

> The people who live there aren't of Argentinian descent.

And the people in the USA aren't from there, but that doesn't mean that they're not subjects of the USA government.

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45399735)

It does actually, unless they were born here, resided here in 1776, or went through a process of naturalization and immigration. Otherwise they remain nationals of their own countries, visitors for a limited time. Being in the USA doesn't make you a subject of the US government any more than I would be French if I got a flat in Paris.

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45398883)

The people of Argentinia aren't of Argentinian descent either, the original population was exterminated by the ancestors of the current population.

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45396975)

Ah yes because human populations and are trumped by position and people have no right to self determination, that is except for those people that Argentina does not want to murder or dispossess of their homes.....

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45396981)

I mean, is so hard to say that? that Islas Malvinas are 300 miles east of Argentina?

BTW, looking at the picture shown in the link, you can see how much closer is Islas Malvinas to Argentina than to other countries, like, for example, UK.

Are we going to fight that war again to the same conculsion?

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397031)

That time the war was to distract the population from internal problems. The Argentinian government didn't think England would care enough to have people die for the land (by then no oil had been found). As everyone knows, they were wrong. Imagine the moment they realised the situation they got themselves in, and with absolutely nobody else to blame.
That said, the land should belong to Argentina. It's too problematic for the countries in the region for England to have land there. Of course, it'd be disavantageous to England so it won't happen any time soon.

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397055)

What problems could the UK owning those islands possibly cause for South American countries?

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (1)

ulzeraj (1009869) | about 9 months ago | (#45397283)

Those discussions are dumb and they seem to ignore the will of the people who live there. They do not want to be argentinians and they also are not that much fans of british interventions. That place is paradise for people who wants to live a simple life.
It sounds even more dumb if you consider the fact that Argentina can't even hold their shit together. They should fix their stuff before bragging about rights to that place.

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (5, Insightful)

Dereck1701 (1922824) | about 9 months ago | (#45397311)

"That said, the land should belong to Argentina."

If it was an occupation I would agree wholeheartedly. However if what I am reading is correct the people (mostly of European decent) currently living there have been doing so for around 200 years. Even the first known settlement, around 323 years ago, was of English origin. A referendum held in march of this year had a 99.8% vote to remain a colony of the UK. People should have the ability to associate with others based on their own determination, not geographic location.

Re: Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45399729)

It is disingenuous for britain to claim the almighty self determination in this case (when it serves them). How many times these self determination rights were respected by them when forming their empire? For example, in 1806 they attempted 2 times to invade Buenos Aires (failed both times). How about India? Australia? The african colonies? Slaves? So much for consulting the locals on their desires.

Re: Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45400835)

Ah yes, because the stupid evils of the past generations of another country are automatically shared and agreed with by all of the current generations of that country and for that reason when any other nation decides to imitate those past generations in their evil they get a free pass for murder.....

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45400483)

The problem is not with the people, the problem is with the government. The argentinians are European descent.

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (3, Insightful)

Alioth (221270) | about 9 months ago | (#45398951)

Why should it belong to Argentina? No Argentinians live there. Just because it's close to Argentina isn't a justification (or perhaps the US should give Puerto Rico to Cuba because PR is closer to Cuba than it is to the USA). What's important is the population, now established for a couple of centuries, is British and wants to remain that way. They have the right to self-determination.

The Spanish name (Las Malvinas) isn't even Spanish, it's actually derived from French. A French sailor named the islands after the port of Saint Malo in France.

If the Argentinans want to argue that the British originally took it by force (from whom? no one was living there) then they need to return Argentina back to the native people they took Argentina from before taking that particular "moral high ground".

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45399263)

But, wouldn't it make more sense to give PR to Dominican Republic? they are, after all, closer than Cuba. If they complain, give Jamaica to Cuba and be done with it.

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45401637)

The Argentinians leaving there were expulsed. If you deport people that does not make you the owner, just you are a thief.

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45402243)

No they weren't. But using that logic, Argentina needs to give its land back to the natives that lived their before it was colonised by Europeans before it can claim that moral high ground.

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397043)

Curiously France and Britain are 21 miles apart, and Chile and Argentina are 0 miles apart...

I find distance arguments a bit spurious with sovereignty claims, and at the end of the day Argentina came after the Falkland Islands in terms of being an entity. Therefore, if Argentina wishes to continue pressing its claim then it might be important to note that the reverse can also be true...

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 9 months ago | (#45398807)

Curiously France and Britain are 21 miles apart

And France and Brazil are 0 miles apart, and Brazil and Argentina are 0 miles apart.

So the Falklands/Malvinas are only 21 miles further from the UK than they are from Argentina.

Or maybe I'm making some mistake?

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 9 months ago | (#45398095)

I mean, is so hard to say that? that Islas Malvinas are 300 miles east of Argentina?

While that would be a slight improvement, Argentina spans over 1,000 miles north-south on the east-coastal region alone, so still not very specific.

If I was describing the location to somebody, I would call it "300 miles north-east of Cape Horn."

That seems much easier, obvious to folks without a strong background in prehistoric geography, and useful to real, normal people.

BTW, looking at the picture shown in the link, you can see how much closer is Islas Malvinas to Argentina than to other countries, like, for example, UK.

And? Alaska is closer to Russia and Canada than it is to the US. And let's not get started on the Philippines...

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (1)

jonbryce (703250) | about 9 months ago | (#45399205)

Patagonia has the 3rd largest Welsh speaking population in the world after Wales and England. Maybe Patagonia should be part of Wales, and it is after all only 300 miles away from the Falklands which is British.

Re:Patagonian coast, that is, Argentina. (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 9 months ago | (#45399583)

I mean, is so hard to say that? that Islas Malvinas

The what? Never heard of them.

it came over on the "Malvinas Islands" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45396915)

Falkland Islands??? whats that??

Re:it came over on the "Malvinas Islands" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45401255)

"Malvinas" is the Argintine jingoism for the Falkland Islands.

Fag08z (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45396955)

I say Falklands, you say Malvinas! (1)

Hartree (191324) | about 9 months ago | (#45396979)

The British GCHQ spoofed slashdot. Now the Argentine intelligence agency will have to as well now that you called them the Falklands.

It's all about keeping up with the Thatchers. Or the Galtieris.

GOCE Satellite Burned Up Over Falkland Islands (2)

mrsquid0 (1335303) | about 9 months ago | (#45396987)

I hope that it did not suffer too much.

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force" (4, Funny)

Hartree (191324) | about 9 months ago | (#45397015)

"As if millions of sheep suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly turned into lamb chops."

Re:"I felt a great disturbance in the Force" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397677)

Now you're just making me hungry.

Re:"I felt a great disturbance in the Force" (1)

maroberts (15852) | about 9 months ago | (#45397823)

"As if millions of sheep suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly turned into lamb chops."

I want to know the sauce of this quote, preferably mint.

Re:"I felt a great disturbance in the Force" (1)

isorox (205688) | about 9 months ago | (#45398497)

"As if millions of sheep suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly turned into lamb chops."

I want to know the sauce of this quote, preferably mint.

Yes they run linux

Way off (1)

Dereck1701 (1922824) | about 9 months ago | (#45397159)

Someone was way off, I thought I read something this morning putting its demise somewhere around Siberia/Alaska? I'm also surprised anyone saw it, the Falkland Islands aren't exactly populated. I think its somewhere in the neighborhood of 3,000 people, the average 36 square mile county has that around me and the Falkland Islands are over 4,700 square miles.

Re:Way off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45398991)

They predicted the satellite would start to tumble when it entered the atmosphere, but it didn't. It stayed in its original position and flew much farther.

Also, it did not fall "over" Falkland Island, more of in vicinity...

Re:Way off (1)

Xest (935314) | about 9 months ago | (#45399241)

That's probably exactly why you would see it because it means fuck all light pollution and fuck all pollution from emissions.

British territory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397295)

Falkland Islands, or Islas Malvinas, as the Argentine people call them, are disputed territory. British forces usurped the islands from the Argentine authorities in the first half of the 19th century. OK, a stupid military government went to war to try to divert the attention of the Argentine citizens form the internal problems. And thanks to their military defeat democracy finally returned (18 months after the start of the war). But still, Argentina has the right to ask to have them back.

Re:British territory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397471)

"back"? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Re:British territory? (2)

Dereck1701 (1922824) | about 9 months ago | (#45397509)

"But still, Argentina has the right to ask to have them back."

Besides being close geographically what claim does Argentina have to the Falklands? At least from what I can find the only time that its population was primarily Argentinian was back around 1774-1811 when the British and Spanish (originally French) settlements were temporarily abandoned (fear of war?) until roughly the 1840s when the British settlements were reestablished. Before the Europeans colonized the islands there may have been some prehistoric settlements and a very short lived occupation by the a Buenos Aires garrison back in 1832 that ended in mutiny but not much else.

Re:British territory? (1)

unitron (5733) | about 9 months ago | (#45398405)

Argentina believes that the French claim which was passed on to Spain was passed, in turn, to them as part of their becoming independent from Spain in 1816.

And it appears that the French claim may have pre-dated the English one by a couple of years if you're going by establishment of settlements instead of "was sailing along one day and found these islands which no one rushed to occupy".

Re:British territory? (1)

Dereck1701 (1922824) | about 9 months ago | (#45399449)

Thats splitting the hair mighty thin, a couple year difference that occurred almost 200 years ago. Especially when there seemed to be absolutely no interest in the islands until the Europeans began colonizing them.

Re:British territory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45399625)

So the Argentinian claim is "Someone else said we could have them."?

As it happens the French agree with Britain, so the claim is even weaker: the guys they're basing the claim on don't even agree with them!

Re:British territory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397547)

And the Brits (and Falkland residents) have the right to say "no." Until the Brits took those islands, they were only intermittently occupied, and quite sparsely, by a variety of nations. Argentina may have been the last nation to claim sovereignty over them prior to the Brits taking them, but they never really exercised real sovereignty over them. Besides, possession is 9/10 of the law when it comes to nations holding land, absent opposition possession of superior firepower.

Re:British territory? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45398111)

Ahhhh.... there's nothing else quite like Europeans attempting to take the "high road" in disputes over territory that once belonged to the natives.

Re:British territory? (1)

unitron (5733) | about 9 months ago | (#45398411)

Ahhhh.... there's nothing else quite like Europeans attempting to take the "high road" in disputes over territory that once belonged to the natives.

Yeah, they tend to take the high road, all the other roads, all the land next to all of those roads...

Re:British territory? (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 9 months ago | (#45398853)

Ahhhh.... there's nothing else quite like Europeans attempting to take the "high road" in disputes over territory that once belonged to the natives.

But there were no natives. When the French settled the Îles Malouines in 1764 they were uninhabited.

Re:British territory? (1)

Alioth (221270) | about 9 months ago | (#45398959)

The Falklands had no human population when the British colonised them.

Re:British territory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45399711)

Ahhhh.... there's nothing else quite like Europeans attempting to take the "high road" in disputes over territory that once belonged to the natives.

but a descendent of the conquistadors complaining about the evils of colonialism comes fairly close..

Re:British territory? (1)

Shag (3737) | about 9 months ago | (#45398387)

Falkland Islands, or Islas Malvinas, as the Argentine people call them, are disputed territory. British forces usurped the islands from the Argentine authorities in the first half of the 19th century. OK, a stupid military government went to war to try to divert the attention of the Argentine citizens form the internal problems. And thanks to their military defeat democracy finally returned (18 months after the start of the war). But still, Argentina has the right to ask to have them back.

I dearly hope I'm not the only slashdotter who hangs around the UN, so that someone else can back me up on this.

Quite often, in the course of a meeting on something-or-other at the UN, subject-matter experts will be brought in for panel presentations.

Not terribly infrequently, one of the English-speaking experts, not knowing any better, will include a map of whatever (squid fisheries was the last one I personally recall) showing the Falkland Islands.

*ominous chord*

The delegate from Argentina will duck out of the room to call his capital.

The delegate from the UK will do likewise.

A short time later, the delegate from Argentina will ask for the floor, and read a statement to the effect that the Islas Malvinas rightfully belong to Argentina, and that the UK is bad and wrong and all that. The UK will then be asked if they wish to comment, and will read a statement to the effect that the Falklands have been under UK rule for some time, and that in keeping with its practice of divesting itself of various colonies and possessions around the world, and in keeping with the parts of the UN Charter about non-self-governing territories being helped toward independence, the UK would be delighted to be rid of them, squid and all - if the residents of the Falklands themselves were okay with it, and if the UK could be reasonably assured that granting the Falklands independence would not simply lead to Argentina immediately trying to take over them again.

And then, the delegates from the UK and Argentina will go back to being the best of friends, because they are after all diplomats and not the least bit personally interested in perpetuating this silly game.

Re:British territory? (1)

Alioth (221270) | about 9 months ago | (#45398963)

The Argentinians may have the right to ask. But the population that lives there also has the right to self-determination, and they have roundly told the Argentinians to fuck off.

and.... (5, Funny)

argStyopa (232550) | about 9 months ago | (#45397425)

...Argentina immediately claimed that the satellite was, in fact, theirs.

Re:and.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45399843)

Slashdot is anglophile

It's spelled GOCE (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45397619)

But it's pronounced Goatse [goatse.fr]

Re:It's spelled GOCE (1)

Iskender (1040286) | about 9 months ago | (#45400959)

Wow, impressively persistent Goatse trolling! I salute you!

Too bad it's probably more constructive than all the silly nationalist discussion threads.

Falklands are Argentinean territory (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45401613)

If someome took your house you are still the owner and the adversary are criminals. Same case with the Malvinas Falklands. They are Argentine territory.

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