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PlayStation 4 Released

Soulskill posted about 8 months ago | from the we-are-in-the-future dept.

PlayStation (Games) 294

Today marks the launch of the latest entrant to the next-gen console race: Sony's PlayStation 4. A number of reviews for the system have already gone up, but many outlets are waiting for next Friday's Xbox One launch before passing final judgment. With regard to the PS4's hardware and UI, Digital Foundry praises the DualShock 4 controller design and the improvements to background downloading, while worrying about fan noise in warmer environments. iFixit provides a step-by-step teardown of the device, giving it an 8/10 repairability score. Ars has many good things to say, but many bad things as well: "The PlayStation 4 has an excellent controller, decently powerful hardware, some intriguing, well-executed new features, and an interface that shows belated acknowledgment of some of Sony's most user-unfriendly past designs. It also has a lot of features that are half-assed, missing, or downright bewildering at this point." Polygon's review is more visually oriented, filled with pictures, videos, and drawings. They conclude, "[T]he PlayStation 4's focus on gaming — and only gaming — is undermined by a distinct lack of compelling software. That failing is sure to improve — better games and more of them will appear on the PlayStation 4 — but right now, this is a game console without a game to recommend it." Eurogamer's coverage includes has a round-up of launch title reviews and gameplay videos. IGN has coverage of the roughly 0.4% of PS4s that arrive broken out of the box, and Kotaku explains how they fixed theirs.

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294 comments

Not this time, Sony (1, Troll)

faragon (789704) | about 8 months ago | (#45432975)

After removing the "Other OS" feature in the Playstation 3, which enabled running Linux, I'm no longer interested in your devices.

Re:Not this time, Sony (4, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | about 8 months ago | (#45433001)

Not this again.

Re:Not this time, Sony (5, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 8 months ago | (#45433365)

Why not? Is it not okay to hold a grudge for perceived betrayal? That's pretty much #1 on good reasons to hold a grudge.

Re:Not this time, Sony (2, Insightful)

smash (1351) | about 8 months ago | (#45433599)

More to the point: OtherOS, Sony Rootkit fiasco, being slow/less than 100% honest about the PSN hack.

Re: Not this time, Sony (1, Troll)

iamhassi (659463) | about 8 months ago | (#45433669)

Agreed. For years they said we could running other operating systems, then changed their mind overnight with a giant middle finger to everyone that bought a ps3. Well Sony, here's your customers giving the finger back. And brand new broken ps4 consoles? Seriously Sony wtf? Do you hate gamers that much? Sony customers are like people that won't leave an abusive relationship.

Re: Not this time, Sony (2)

hattig (47930) | about 8 months ago | (#45434155)

Please look up the bathtub model of hardware failure - most failures will happen right at the beginning of a product's lifespan, or after a period of time where failure rates are very low.

On the other hand 0.4% failure on the first day doesn't look great. 0.4% failure in the first month is good. 0.4% failure in the first year is excellent.

It looks like a dodgy HDMI connector is a common issue.

Re:Not this time, Sony (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433839)

Is it not okay to hold a grudge for perceived betrayal?

Methinks you're being overly defensive. I don't think the GP is telling you to drop your grudge. That's your freedom. Other people however have moved on, and they're also free to be tired of hearing you grumble about your lawn.

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about 8 months ago | (#45433881)

I was being defensive, but not for my own sake. I've totally given up on next-gen consoles for unrelated reasons, but I found no reason to summarily dismiss the objections of the OP.

Re: Not this time, Sony (5, Insightful)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | about 8 months ago | (#45434049)

It was easy for a lot of people to move on, the ones not using the feature that was removed.

Re:Not this time, Sony (4, Insightful)

bhcompy (1877290) | about 8 months ago | (#45433037)

I've got better machines to run Linux on

Re:Not this time, Sony (5, Informative)

faragon (789704) | about 8 months ago | (#45433045)

Agree. But I *PAID* for running Linux, and then they *REMOVED* such feature, unless you kept your console out of date, without playing new games (last firmware with "Other OS" enabled is 3.15).

Re:Not this time, Sony (1, Insightful)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about 8 months ago | (#45433199)

Maybe so, but thats not terribly relevant to this console, which never came with that feature to begin with.

Re:Not this time, Sony (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 8 months ago | (#45433499)

It is typical of their behaviour though. Basically it shows that you can't trust any feature they advertise to remain.

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 8 months ago | (#45433723)

No, it means any feature they put in solely to bypass import taxes might go away when the tax situation changes. OtherOS was never used by the PS3s target market, so was never missed by the vast majority of users. They did not take away game functionality or limit BluRay playback.

If you're going to hate Sony, the rootkit from their music division is a much better justification.

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | about 8 months ago | (#45433931)

They did not take away game functionality or limit BluRay playback

That's not entirely true. 3D BluRay is not supported at launch. I know not many tears will be shed over that with most people, but it's yet another thing in a long line of things (along the same lines: no audio CD support, no mp3 file playback) that inspire head-scratching.

Re: Not this time, Sony (1)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | about 8 months ago | (#45434195)

Sony greatly expanded their target audience by advertising the other OS feature(governments, researchers, anyone doing number crunching), and for them, it wasn't just a minor inconvenience, it was turning the computers into useless gaming consoles and spending lots of time/money replanning clusters because of what was effectively an arbitrary decision on the part of Sony.

It is a bit insensitive to dismiss that and hold up rootkits as the biggest complaint, given that in any other use than gaming, the rootkits wouldn't matter at all (since the clusters wouldn't need to be online except for updates).

I would say both of those were equally valid and serious complaints, and doubly bad for Sony.

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

smash (1351) | about 8 months ago | (#45433627)

It's not about the features on this console, it is one of MANY instances of sony being untrustworthy, lying wankers. The poster is holding a grudge, as do I, because sony deserve to be punished in the marketplace. Same way half of slashdot hold a grudge against microsoft over the stability of Windows 95.

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433543)

Not to worry, your virginity is safe.

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

Iceykitsune (1059892) | about 8 months ago | (#45433217)

Any with the cell processor in them?

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

minstrelmike (1602771) | about 8 months ago | (#45434339)

I've got better machines to run Linux on

Really? for $400? kewl.

Re:Not this time, Sony (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433039)

>> which enabled running Linux

Your opinion is worthless because you had to mention this.

Think about it.

Re:Not this time, Sony (5, Funny)

gl4ss (559668) | about 8 months ago | (#45433053)

After removing the "Other OS" feature in the Playstation 3, which enabled running Linux, I'm no longer interested in your devices.

well you should be happy then that they're this time releasing it with zero features they can drop and instead are to gradually insert them..

Re:Not this time, Sony (4, Informative)

trdrstv (986999) | about 8 months ago | (#45433433)

After removing the "Other OS" feature in the Playstation 3, which enabled running Linux, I'm no longer interested in your devices.

well you should be happy then that they're this time releasing it with zero features they can drop and instead are to gradually insert them..

You don't know how true this is. Bluray and DVD movie playback don't work out of the box, you need a Day 1 patch...

Re:Not this time, Sony (4, Informative)

3vi1 (544505) | about 8 months ago | (#45433079)

^ My sentiment exactly.

Sony has repeatedly engaged in anti-consumer activity, so I see no reason to support them. I own all the last gen consoles, but I've had it with MS and Sony (and Nintendo's showing this round is not really compelling, IMHO).

I'm going to hold out for a really powerful Steam machine for the living room. Valve seems like a friendlier company, and most of us here probably already own over a hundred titles via Steam.

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433153)

Yea cause Steam's always on DRM is the DRM I want.

Re:Not this time, Sony (2, Interesting)

Enfixed (2423494) | about 8 months ago | (#45433739)

Considering I'm usually anti DRM anything, I'm surprisingly ok with Steam DRM. Steam itself is fast, convenient and I've never had the DRM get in the way of me playing a game when I wanted to. They maintain my collection of purchased games which I can re-download without hassle as needed. -- After struggling in the past to find old CD keys and media this is the main reason I love Steam. Your mileage may vary, and I don't care. ;)

Re:Not this time, Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45434073)

...and I've never had the DRM get in the way of me playing a game when I wanted to...

That's what usually stops me from supporting companies that have the kind of DRM that prevents me from using my legally obtained software. I also so far never had problem with Steam DRM and that's why I am OK with it.

Re:Not this time, Sony (0)

3vi1 (544505) | about 8 months ago | (#45433743)

If you have a Steam game that you can't play in Steam's offline mode, that's the fault of the people making the game, not Valve/Steam..

Valve gives devs a choice of how they want to do their DRM, and you have the choice not to buy games from the particular devs that don't meet your individual expectations.

But, if you'd rather buy a system with more locked down DRM and fewer games, more power to you. You also have the choice to not buy no games that use DRM at all, but then why are you reading a console thread... or is there some option of which I'm unaware?

Re:Not this time, Sony (3, Interesting)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 8 months ago | (#45433791)

Valve is a friendlier company, but a really powerful Steam machine isn't going to do you much good. You still need a powerful Windows machine to run most of the AAA games, which will then stream to the Steam Machine thin client.

If Linux gaming gains traction due to the Steam Machine, and I hope it does, a powerful one would become useful at that time. One you buy now will be out of date and worth much less than you paid by the time it's actually useful.

Re: Not this time, Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433941)

Steam OS only needs a few exclusives like Half-Life 3 and then the 'year of the Linux desktop' can be a reality.

Re:Not this time, Sony (2)

gameboyhippo (827141) | about 8 months ago | (#45434183)

Nintendo's showing this round is not really compelling

Depends on your tastes. Sit down with some friends and play a round of Nintendo Land sometime, then form an opinion. Just because a game looks like a lot of fun doesn't mean that it isn't worth playing. :)

Re:Not this time, Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45434247)

I'm with you on this. I own the ps3, x360, and wii. At one point or another, I really enjoyed all three. Sony's anti-consumer-in-the-name-of-features bugs the crap out of me, they never won back my trust after the PSN hack. Their iron foot down on any consumer wanting to tinker with the hardware is also a big annoyance of mine.

MS has started going down the road of being a used car salesman with the XBox 360. Every screen, except for in game, is littered with adds. Many of which are deceptive "ESPN for XBox Live (for the low low price of an existing cable subscription or another $10-$15 a month)". If I wanted to spend another $50+ a month on a few "channels" of content on XBL, I'd rather just cough up another $5 and get basic cable.

With the above and the news of the new stuff, I'm pretty well fed up with console gaming. Here's some reasons I won't be shelling out any money for the new systems:

  • PS4 - Cannot do custom soundtracks, intentionally crippling media playback (DNLA, for example), and instead "urging" consumers to go for Playstation Plus, and another $10 a month for the Sony Music Unlimited "service"
  • XB1 - Also cannot do custom soundtracks. XBL required for net play, and any net app (i.e. Netflix, Pandora, etc...). Focus on being a media center while nickel and diming consumers for any additional content. Look at the model for Killer Instinct, it's Free-to-Play, but you only get one or two characters. Each additional character is something like $5. This is completely inexcusable, even the shareware for Doom had a third of the game.
  • Wii-U - Focus seems to be on the tablet controller and doesn't really have any eye-catching games this time around. It feels like Nintendo is losing steam on the TV and is focusing more on the handheld market.

Re:Not this time, Sony (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433101)

Liar liar pants on fire. You never used it. If you had, you'd know it was totally unusable as a Linux machine.

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 8 months ago | (#45433503)

While I couldn't see it being the only reason somebody bought a PS3, I can see it being a deciding factor. Let's say you have to decide between PS3 and XBox 360. There really isn't much difference. Both have their own exclusive titles, but many titles are released on both. If you chose to buy the PS3 because it had 1 extra thing in the "Pro" column in your Pro-Con list, then you might be well justified in being angry with them removing the feature. Also, the fact that they removed the features means that Linux might have not had enough time to mature on that platform. It's not like it was a standard x86 box where you can load Ubuntu on and start running. It used a whole different processor architecture, which means that you would at least have to recompile everything, and you'd probably run into a lot of issues just getting stuff running.

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

smash (1351) | about 8 months ago | (#45433685)

Entirely misses the point. A paying customer purchased an item from sony that they retro-actively downgraded. For the obligatory car analogy - its like chevrolet selling you a Corvette ZR1 and then handing you back a regular base model Corvette after the first service. It's not the device you paid for any more. Its the principle of the matter.

Re:Not this time, Sony (4, Insightful)

FictionPimp (712802) | about 8 months ago | (#45433121)

That plus their network being horribly hacked, plus the root kits they used to do on their CD's, plus every other horrible thing sony has done is enough reason to never buy anything with a sony label.

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433149)

Why the F' would you want to run linux on a system designed specifically to play games? Are there games for linux? Didn't think so. While you are having it out with Sony, the rest of us are happy with $20-$45 ARM devices that run full featured linux and draw 10W at full load. Need heavy CPU power? Try a Quad/Octa ARM android device, for $100 or an intel NUC for $200. These are all far better options, even if the PS4 (or PS3) did run linux. You are now informed.

Re:Not this time, Sony (4, Informative)

Culture20 (968837) | about 8 months ago | (#45433283)

At the time the ps3 debuted, there were not cheaper options (better, yes) for muti-core processing. Even the US military used PS3s as nodes for a compute cluster (running Linux, btw).

Re: Not this time, Sony (1)

iamhassi (659463) | about 8 months ago | (#45433741)

Thanks for informing us that there are better options in 2013 than there were in 2006

Re:Not this time, Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45434035)

But I wanted to play TuxRacer and all the really great Linux games on my console!

Re:Not this time, Sony (4, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 8 months ago | (#45433197)

Actually, I was a Xbox fanboy for the previous two generations. But I'm heavily leaning toward the PS4 this time. With the exception of not including a IR input (damn you blutooth-only remote!!) Sony seems to be making all the right moves this time, and MS seems to be making all the wrong ones.

Sony is $100 cheaper, has better hardware muscle for games (allowing for higher resolution and framerates), has a nice new controller, has that GREAT new "Share" feature, and is focused heavily on the games.

MS has an annoying overlay for my cable box which I will never use (an IR blaster, seriously??), still requires a $60/year Live membership to access even basic stuff like Netflix and Hulu (no thanks, MS, my Roku lets me do it for free and it's quieter and has a better interface), a mandatory always-on camera and mic that creeps me the fuck out, and seems to treat gaming as an afterthought. Plus I've gotten more and more annoyed by their add-heavy interface in recent years.

Re:Not this time, Sony (5, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 8 months ago | (#45433395)

I bought both the previous Xboxen myself, and I just stopped caring once the homepage advertisements crossed my threshold for tolerance. I am not your damned captive audience.

Re:Not this time, Sony (4, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | about 8 months ago | (#45433679)

I bought both the previous Xboxen myself, and I just stopped caring once the homepage advertisements crossed my threshold for tolerance

That was the point at which I decided that the internet connection wasn't benefiting me, but them. I just disconnected it from the network.

My XBox 360 is happily still working without an internet connection. But from the sounds of it both new consoles are still mostly going to demand an always-on connection (and if they're not at launch, they will I assume).

I'm more likely to buy a spare 360 at this point that consider either of the newer offerings from Sony or Microsoft.

I have no desire to play on-line, give these guys a marketing channel, or provide them with my usage data and a camera in my living room. If game consoles stop being something you can run completely off-line, well, I'll stop having game consoles.

Re:Not this time, Sony (2)

timeOday (582209) | about 8 months ago | (#45433445)

I think a lot of the decision between the XBox One and PS4 will come down to whether you value the Kinect. If you do, then you are getting something for the $100. My family does get a fair amount of use out of the Kinect. (For one thing, we don't limit the Kids' play time on Kinect, since they are at least standing up and some, like Kinect Adventures, are a pretty good workout).

But the growing dependence of the XBox on paying a recurring subscription fee really does bother me. I don't enjoy online gaming because you waste too much time in matchmaking, too many people are too good, and a lot of people are jerks online. It would help if they would at least agree not to raise the price of the subscription during the life of the device.

Re: Not this time, Sony (1)

iamhassi (659463) | about 8 months ago | (#45433797)

I agree. $60 a year is reasonable, but $120? $240? What prevents them from raising the price? And once they do what can we do? At least with phones you are under contract, but consoles have no obligation. Tomorrow Microsoft could announce Live is $30 a month instead of the current $5 and what could we do besides throw away our consoles?

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

smash (1351) | about 8 months ago | (#45433733)

I'm in the opposite camp. I've bought a Sony PS1,PS2, PS3 and PSP, and this time around I won't be buying Sony. The XBOX one looks like it has some neat features with regards to being an all in one media centre - processing tv, etc. On paper spec the PS4 is superior, but I've seen "in theory" on paper specs failing in reality plenty of times before. At $60/yr, online service isn't a major cost, that's something like 15c per day or $5/month. If it keeps the fuckwits off the service then maybe its not such a bad thing?

Re:Not this time, Sony (4, Insightful)

nschubach (922175) | about 8 months ago | (#45433879)

> If it keeps the fuckwits off the service then maybe its not such a bad thing?

I take it you've never been on XBox Live... I know you said you've been a PlayStation person all these years, but if you've ever been over at a friend's house while they are on a multiplayer game, it can be quite horrific.

Re:Not this time, Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433901)

At $60/yr, online service isn't a major cost, that's something like 15c per day or $5/month. If it keeps the fuckwits off the service then maybe its not such a bad thing?

Trust me. It doesn't keep the fuckwits off... Current xBox users already shows this in online games :)

Re:Not this time, Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45434323)

Plus I've gotten more and more annoyed by their add-heavy interface in recent years.

Do you mean ad heavy or A.D.D. heavy? Or does it add heavily? Does it subtract heavily as well?

Re:Not this time, Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433417)

You need to work on your definition of 'feature'.

Re:Not this time, Sony (1)

chispito (1870390) | about 8 months ago | (#45433707)

After removing the "Other OS" feature in the Playstation 3...

There are so many [wikipedia.org] better [wikipedia.org] grudges [wikipedia.org] to hold against Sony, I feel like you just phoned this one in and went back to sleep.

Re:Not this time, Sony (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433855)

This is what we call a slashdot karma whore attempt. And it worked. I'm sure farther down is someone mentioning the NSA and probably someone linking to xkcd (though, those don't add to your slashdot karma). What really gave this one away was when the poster stated the obvious, "which enabled running Linux".

If I gave a fuck about my nerd score, I could send my karma to the stratosphere echoing the pathetic group-think on this site in every post.

Re:Not this time, Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45434123)

Oh get over it.

Sure, punish them for the rootkit incident, or maybe for not being American (or whatever your favourite nationality is), but by the time the feature was disabled, the PS3 was a pretty expensive way of getting a Linux box with limited RAM.

I want Sony to win only so that Microsoft loses... (-1)

JoeyRox (2711699) | about 8 months ago | (#45433029)

To teach the industry that consumers wont accept being force fed content consumption models that require us to bend over and take it up the arse just so that Lumbergh's stock can go up another quarter of a point.

Re:I want Sony to win only so that Microsoft loses (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433099)

Why cant we get both loosing?

Re:I want Sony to win only so that Microsoft loses (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433807)

Because everyone has written off Nintendo. Which is what I'm sticking to this round.

Re:I want Sony to win only so that Microsoft loses (0)

Gerald Williams (3433353) | about 8 months ago | (#45433123)

Bah, I was really looking forward to a fully digital distribution model on the XBone, anyone who saw that system as overly negative weren't looking hard enough or didn't want to look hard enough.

Re:I want Sony to win only so that Microsoft loses (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433159)

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

Re:I want Sony to win only so that Microsoft loses (1, Troll)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 8 months ago | (#45433289)

you think sony is any BETTER than MS when it comes to farking over the end-user?

what the HELL??

you must be adicted to video games. that is the only reason you'd support sony. the majority of us have shunned this company due to all their collective bad behavior (too many items to list here; search on why people boycott sony).

MS is evil but sony is much much worse!

don't forget, sony is a media company and so, by definition, they start out with a balance of evil, numerically greater than zero.

Re:I want Sony to win only so that Microsoft loses (3, Interesting)

kamapuaa (555446) | about 8 months ago | (#45433449)

I don't think you should speak for "the majority of us." My impression is it's a vocal minority upset over things most of Slashdot doesn't particularly care about - they got rid of the Linux OS nobody was actually using, and they purchased BMG right after BMG added anti-piracy rootkits to CDs, 10 years ago.

I don't think PS4 will fuck over the user. Sony sells it as a game device and it seems to do just that.

Re:I want Sony to win only so that Microsoft loses (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about 8 months ago | (#45433753)

To teach the industry that consumers wont accept being force fed content consumption models that require us to bend over and take it up the arse

I'm sorry, but I have seen nothing in the history of Sony and their behavior to believe you'll see anything different from Sony on this front.

Sony is a HUGE content provider, and is absolutely going to want to monetize everything they can. They're going to be trying very hard to lock you in, get you buying stuff from them, ensuring their DRM is enforced, and generally treating it like it's still their console and not yours.

For me, both of these consoles fall squarely in the "If they're not screwing you now, they will be soon" category.

I don't see Sony beating Microsoft in this generation of consoles being any better for consumers in the long run. In the end, they're all going to be trying to do the same thing.

Re:I want Sony to win only so that Microsoft loses (1)

smash (1351) | about 8 months ago | (#45433759)

UH... and you think SONY winning will send that message? Lulwut...

No media (5, Insightful)

CimmerianX (2478270) | about 8 months ago | (#45433059)

I used my ps3 for media as well as occasional gaming. PS4 lack of streaming media support that does not originate from Sony's pay sites is a real minus for me. At least with the ps4 released, I can snap up used PS3 for media consoles in the bedrooms now.

Re:No media (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433253)

This is the main reason of why I'll buy Xbox One over the PS4.

Re:No media (4, Insightful)

Sez Zero (586611) | about 8 months ago | (#45433643)

At least with the ps4 released, I can snap up used PS3 for media consoles in the bedrooms now.

This is the main reason of why I'll buy Xbox One over the PS4.

There is no way I'm putting an Xbox One in my bedroom.

Re:No media (1)

sandytaru (1158959) | about 8 months ago | (#45433373)

Thing is, I'm STILL going to use the PS3 as my primary media console. If I get a PS4 with all those same features, it'd be a bit redundant. (That is, until the PS3 eventually dies.)

Re:No media (1)

trdrstv (986999) | about 8 months ago | (#45433455)

I used my ps3 for media as well as occasional gaming. PS4 lack of streaming media support that does not originate from Sony's pay sites is a real minus for me.

I'm the same way, and with the Black Friday deals around the corner I can get an extra 1 or 2 cheap.

Re:No media (5, Insightful)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 8 months ago | (#45434071)

I used my ps3 for media as well as occasional gaming. PS4 lack of streaming media support that does not originate from Sony's pay sites is a real minus for me. At least with the ps4 released, I can snap up used PS3 for media consoles in the bedrooms now.

For now.

One of the greatest things about the Xbox One and PS4 is they're keeping Microsoft and Sony honest. When Microsoft announced the draconian DRM scheme, Sony countered, causing Microsoft to completely rethink their DRM position. Of course, Sony did a few more thins to keep Microsoft on its toes.

And now, the day AFTER Sony gave out its big FAQ, Microsoft announced the Xbox One will support MP3s and DLNA. Which caused Sony to announce it was coming in a future update now. Heck, the whole "voice control" think was hastily implemented by Sony to counter the Xbone's Kinect, which is why it's a bit hokey on release.

PS4 fanboys can mock the Xbone, while Xbox fanboys can mock the PS4 all they want, and analystics can say "Sony wins", but in the end, it's better that we have the Xbone with the PS4 than either/or.

Sony can't revert to draconian DRM because they promised not to (and the Xbone can't, either).

Regardless of which console is "better" (remember, the PS3 outclasses the Xbox360) technically, the best thing is both do well enough that neither decides to leave, and that Nintendo remains as a spoiler.

Heck, if you want to remember what happened when Sony last thought it had the upper hand on everyone, see the news in the months leading up to the launch of the PS3. Now that Sony's a bit more humbled from that, hopefully things will be more interesting. Microsoft got a bit arrogant during the 360 era, so hopefully they'll be smacked down a bit and have to actually compete. But not too much - just enough to keep Microsoft from thinking it can get away with anything.

And hell, you have Apple to thank for screwing up the whole business model as well - Apple's approval process is really a very "lite" version of how one develops on consoles and it's forced Sony and Microsoft to rethink how they do development.

Re:No media (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45434223)

Why not get an Ouya instead. Terible gaming platform but great for streaming media through xmbc.
PS3 has the cineva protection blocking your home rips and poor format suport.

Re:No media (1)

ProzacPatient (915544) | about 8 months ago | (#45434267)

Check Craigslist; I got a PS3 with a controller and six games for $100 on there. I use it mostly for streaming media and watching blu-rays. I refuse to give any money to Sony though on account of their anti-consumerism so I'll buy used for the right price if I can help it.

Why is it broken out of the box? (4, Insightful)

Travis Repine (2861521) | about 8 months ago | (#45433107)

To me it's very disturbing that you have to require a Internet connection just to enable features such the Blu-ray player on the console. It SHOULD have it feature already in the box. What if a kid who wants this console don't have Internet in their home. Believe it or not, there are some families who do NOT have Internet because it's not worth the money to invest what their getting out of the connection.

Re:Why is it broken out of the box? (-1, Troll)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 8 months ago | (#45433211)

If you think an Internet connection is "not worth it" then it's a choice.
If you cannot even afford a basic Internet connection of around 1~5 Mbps then you probably can't afford a PS4 either.

Re:Why is it broken out of the box? (5, Informative)

Khyber (864651) | about 8 months ago | (#45433273)

"If you cannot even afford a basic Internet connection of around 1~5 Mbps then you probably can't afford a PS4 either."

Spoken like a complete fucktard that has never been to Brazil.

Or any place where electronics and such are taxed so heavily that in many places the only entertainment you have is an internet connection through your shitty cell phone.

Re:Why is it broken out of the box? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433413)

Well, if you can't afford a 1-5MBps connection in Brazil, you probably have no business buying a 1800USD PS4 there either?

Re:Why is it broken out of the box? (4, Informative)

smash (1351) | about 8 months ago | (#45433815)

Who said anything about "afford"? Not everywhere has good internet. Internet connectivity is not necessarily portable. Game consoles are.

And you don't even have to go to the third world. I was working out on remote mine sites for a few years. I was on 100-150k/yr (low paying IT job compared to what many others would get on a site). Really poor, or in some cases, no internet connectivity in my room. Which means entertainment is either reading a book, watching TV (barf), drinking beer or gaming.

Money isn't necessarily the problem, if internet is simply not available.

Re:Why is it broken out of the box? (1)

nschubach (922175) | about 8 months ago | (#45433927)

Because of the import tax, it's cheaper for some to fly to the US, buy a device and fly back. I say just spend a night in a local hotel and use their Internet (or an open WiFi) to update the device!

Re:Why is it broken out of the box? (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 8 months ago | (#45433435)

If you think an Internet connection is "not worth it" then it's a choice.

If you cannot even afford a basic Internet connection of around 1~5 Mbps then you probably can't afford a PS4 either.

I'm getting ready to spend the weekend in a fairly remote part of my state.

There's electricity and running water, sure, but to get internet access out to where we'll be it would cost the residents somewhere in the neighborhood of $20,000 - $40,000, because there isn't any broadband infrastructure within several miles.

Sounds pretty damn "not worth it" to me, and it's not like a farmer who owns 250+ acres is broke.

Sigh... city kids.

Side note: the juxtaposition of your comment with your sig is wonderfully ironic, you know that?

Re:Why is it broken out of the box? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433515)

So you can't activate the PS4 somewhere with a connection? It only needs that connection once. You knew that, right?

Re:Why is it broken out of the box? (1)

jandrese (485) | about 8 months ago | (#45434089)

Well, until the next update of course.

That said, there are always options. You can use dial up, you can use Internet Connection Sharing on Windows (or NAT on Linux) and an ethernet cable (crossover is better, but generally not necessary anymore) to hook up the PS4. A 300MB download will only take ~15 hours on a 56K modem, which is bad but you can leave it running overnight and into the morning. There is also Satellite Internet (a much too expensive option if all you care about is 1 300MB download though).

The easiest solution is probably to lug the box over to a friends house and bum their internet for awhile (maybe take them out to dinner while it downloads) to get the box fully set up.

Re:Why is it broken out of the box? (1)

KingMotley (944240) | about 8 months ago | (#45434277)

Cell phone? Satellite? Both of those work.

If I had to work on a farm, I'd drop the $20-$40k and run fiber to my house, but that's me.

Re:Why is it broken out of the box? (2)

Spad (470073) | about 8 months ago | (#45433595)

You don't. You can download the update from a location of your choosing and install it via USB. You can also call a freephone number and Sony will post you the update on disc so you don't need the internet at all.

The lack of Blu-Ray playback out of the box is to reduce the cost of the unit by only paying licensing costs for users who actually use it rather than having to pay for blanket licensing.

Re:Why is it broken out of the box? (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 8 months ago | (#45433859)

You're easily disturbed. They did this so they don't have to pay BluRay license fees for people who never play a BluRay on their PS4. It was a sound business decision.

Re:Why is it broken out of the box? (1)

KingMotley (944240) | about 8 months ago | (#45434297)

Nah. First, I don't think sony has to pay any fees for blu-ray, and even if they did, they hit the cap on the fees anyhow, so any "extra" is free. They just want to sell you more stuff.

We all agreed upon buying SteamBoxes (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433133)

I thought we all agreed on the SteamBox so we can play games together!
Plus in SteamBox doesn't need "other OS" feature as it already is the other OS.

woohoo it's pay day! i'mma go get one! .. wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433203)

it only has two games? and one of them is a generic as fuck shooter that doesn't do anything that half-life didn't already do in 1998? Yeah, ok, I think i'll just keep my money.

Don't care... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433271)

Move along.

Download firmware in advance! (5, Informative)

stevemoink (134725) | about 8 months ago | (#45433303)

There is a mandatory day-one firmware update, which is just north of 300 MB. If you have an internet connection and a USB drive (aka, if you are reading this) go to PSN [playstation.com] to pre-download.

Good console but no games (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433487)

There is ZERO reason to buy either the PS4 or the (vastly inferior) Xbox One this season. They are both missing any compelling exclusive games (the four most important exclusives, Killzone, Knack, Ryse and Dead Rising, are terrible), and the cross platform titles (Assassin's Creed, COD, Battlefield) are no better than the same games running on a quite modest gaming PC. GTA5 is missing until next year.

And, of course, initial hardware tends to have significant teething troubles, and the highest costs. Next year, as Microsoft desperately tries to make up ground against Sony (if MS hasn't sold off the Xbox division by then), a full-blown price-war will be underway, with MS selling a MUCH cheaper Xbone without the NSA Kinect spy sensor system.

Previous console releases have included, at launch, exclusive software that made PC gamers jealous. For the first time, the BEST games on the new consoles are also on the PC, and run and look far far better if that PC has decent gaming hardware bought during the last three years or so.

Next year will see the trend reverse a little, as the first games appear that actually take advantage of the power of the new consoles. But it seems likely that the best games will continue to be published on the PC as well (note how Microsoft has paid tens of millions of dollars to keep Titanfall off the PS4, and yet that giant robot FPS is coming to the PC). If AMD's Mantle initiative takes hold, the PC versions will always look and play as least as good as the PS4 version.

Both Microsoft and Sony should be ashamed that they failed to 'encourage' better launch software.

Re:Good console but no games (1)

umafuckit (2980809) | about 8 months ago | (#45433877)

I'm with you there. When GT7 comes out I might consider the PS4. Other than that, I'm happy with my recently and cheaply purchased PS3. Yes, many games are better on PC (FPS, particularly), but there are enough interesting titles to make the $250 purchase price of a PS3 worthwhile.

Re: Good console but no games (3, Interesting)

iamhassi (659463) | about 8 months ago | (#45433951)

Well, if you put it that way there is zero reason to ever buy a console during initial release. All have problems and all have few titles. You could just do what I do and wait until the next gen is out and buy up the old consoles then. Yes, I bought my first 360 in July 3013, 200gb special edition with 40 games for $250, and yes, I bought my first original xbox in 2006 with similar extras. No, I don't care if "all my friends" are playing the new system, because no one comes to my house to play console games and I don't play console games online with my friends.

Re:Good console but no games (1)

jandrese (485) | about 8 months ago | (#45434113)

It's pretty much a given that the launch day titles will suck for a console. The only ones that ever seem to have longevity are Nintendo's pack-ins. By this time next year there should be some good games for both systems though.

rootkit/geohot (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433561)

1. Sony put out a rootkit a while back.
2. By challenging Geohot, Sony effectively told the world that you're not allowed to modify the toy you own to make it work in the way you want.

Those two alone make for compelling reasons not to buy this gaming console right away. Not to mention the potential first-gen problems.

Wait a year, then see if it's worth your while. Just don't directly support $ony with your money. If anything, go for the lesser of two evils and buy used from Gamestop.

Not again (2, Funny)

ketomax (2859503) | about 8 months ago | (#45433581)

Can't we get an article for Playstation that does not refer to Xbox or vice versa?

Is this news? (-1, Offtopic)

BigZee (769371) | about 8 months ago | (#45433597)

Do we have reports of other PCs being released? Where's the latest posting regarding a new Dell laptop?

Re:Is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433847)

My PS1 (1)

darrellg1 (969068) | about 8 months ago | (#45433603)

outlasted 3 xbox 360s and now a 4th is jacked due to an update.

Re:My PS1 (1)

ProzacPatient (915544) | about 8 months ago | (#45434193)

Its amazing how much older hardware seems to outlast newer hardware by decades. It almost makes me (jokingly) wonder if newer hardware has a built-in time bomb!
Routers have to be the worst offenders when it comes to this.

Re:My PS1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45434331)

I find that if a device is going to die, it will die in the first few weeks or after 10 years. Older hardware gets a pass because it avoided the faulty manufacture window but has yet to hit the worn down window.

Time to get a PS3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45433937)

Next week seems like a good time to finally get that PS3 I've been thinking about. They've probably gotten all the kinks worked out of it by now.

Yes, that's not a typo: PS3. Not 4. I don't mind being a generation behind. And hopefully prices on the PS3 will fall pretty quick now.

Never Forget (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45434091)

If any of you are considering purchasing the console, do ponder for a moment that you're supporting a company that's actively user hostile.

They're responsible for SecuROM, they handled the PSN hack poorly, they placed root-kits on audio CDs, they removed "OtherOS" and "backwards compatibility" from PS3 units, and that is merely the tip of the iceberg.

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