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Nokia Shareholders Approve Sale To Microsoft

timothy posted about 9 months ago | from the never-got-fired-for-buying-microsoft dept.

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mrspoonsi writes "Nokia shareholders met today at an extraordinary general meeting (EGM) to vote on whether or not to accept the terms of the company's proposed sale of its devices and services business to Microsoft. The deal, which was first announced in September, is worth €5.44bn EUR ($7.35bn USD / £4.57bn GBP), and also includes provisions for Microsoft to license patents from the Finnish company. 78% of those eligible to vote had already voted before the EGM. Of those early votes, a staggering 99% had voted in favour of the sale to Microsoft."

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Sup (2)

clickson (2887959) | about 9 months ago | (#45463383)

A sad day for the mobile biz.

Re:Sup (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463757)

Better summary: "after giving Microsoft an extended blowjob, Nokia now spread her buttcheeks, waiting for the final thrust".

Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (4, Funny)

somersault (912633) | about 9 months ago | (#45463385)

.. buys other increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur for lots of money.

News at 11

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463409)

More relevance than you will ever have.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

somersault (912633) | about 9 months ago | (#45463577)

Is that meant to be insightful, somehow? I'm quite happy not to be in any spotlights.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45464985)

In that case I cancel my comment. :) Damn, touché...

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463451)

When Slashdot sells out and disappears in a few years, it will be the same response.

Sadly, this site is as relevant as Nokia currently is.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (4, Insightful)

DogDude (805747) | about 9 months ago | (#45463453)

Nothing says" irrelevant" like running on 95% of the world's computers!

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463601)

Slashdogma tenant 4: if the OS isn't Linux, it's irrelevant. (some consider OSX relevant because it has the same command line syntax)
Tenant 5 is similar, that if you can't git something, it might as well not exist (yes, this does even mean svn is ignored)

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (5, Funny)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 9 months ago | (#45463867)

Tenant - a person who occupies land or property rented from a landlord.
Tenet - a principle or belief, esp. one of the main principles of a religion or philosophy.
Pedant - left as an excercise for the reader.

(It is 100% sure that this post contains an gramatical, spelling or numerical error).

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463965)

I'm fairly certain Slashdogma is a landlord with (at least) two oddly named tenants (perhaps for their protection): 4 and 5. They are apparently both opinionated on the topic of computer software, and he provided a couple relevant quotes. I really don't see the problem.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

fritsd (924429) | about 9 months ago | (#45464533)

I am amused and impressed by your reading comprehension.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (3, Funny)

jeffy210 (214759) | about 9 months ago | (#45464401)

Tenant - a person who occupies land or property rented from a landlord.
Tenet - a principle or belief, esp. one of the main principles of a religion or philosophy.
Pedant - left as an excercise for the reader.

(It is 100% sure that this post contains an gramatical, spelling or numerical error).

Tennant - The Doctor

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463885)

Slashdogma tenant 4

The word you're looking for is "tenet." A tenant is "a person or group that rents and occupies land, a house, an office, or the like, from another for a period of time; lessee." [dictionary.com]

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463619)

Desktops/laptops are not 100% of the world's computers!

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (5, Informative)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 9 months ago | (#45463889)

Fuck, these days they probably aren't even 50%

250 million smartphones sold in Q3 2013.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463639)

But they're EVIL! EVIL I tells ya! They eat PUPPIES at their company picnic. PUPPIES!

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (4, Insightful)

somersault (912633) | about 9 months ago | (#45463643)

Consider the things that most computer users do. Now consider the devices that they can do (and do do.. ho ho) these things on. Smartphones, tablets, consoles, internet enabled TVs, and everything else that you can now use for things like Facebook, Netflix, editing documents, etc. You have now noticed that their market relevance is nowhere near 95%. And it's falling.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 9 months ago | (#45463855)

I consider it this way. My Smartphone has more power and RAM and runs more apps than my "High end" desktop PC from 13 years ago (Circa 2000), and in some ways has better features than the PC from 13 years ago. It isn't a "full desktop" so what, it is a computer!!

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (2)

Wootery (1087023) | about 9 months ago | (#45465351)

It isn't a "full desktop" so what, it is a computer!!

Really? Ok:

The form factor counts for a lot. Big numbers alone don't enable me to type up my dissertation: for that, I need a full-size keyboard and a full-size monitor. Your smart-phone provides neither.

There's still a place for 'full desktops', and there will be for the foreseeable future.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 9 months ago | (#45463933)

Who sells them those consoles? Microsoft.
Microsoft is still the reference for office stuff and games, and there is really no way around it.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

somersault (912633) | about 9 months ago | (#45464053)

Hahaha.. yeah they sell a console, sure.

Microsoft is still one of the main office players yes. There have been ways around that for quite a while, and there continue to be more ways around it.

The reference for games, though..? What are you smoking?

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 9 months ago | (#45464341)

The xbox 360 was clearly the winner of the previous generation.
The wii did get a lot of sales, but it was from casual people and not more regular and serious game consumers.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

somersault (912633) | about 9 months ago | (#45464513)

Clearly by what metric? The PS3 also outsold the 360 eventually. The Wii kicked both their asses in terms of pushing units. Xbox and PS3 are about the same in terms of games and all the "exclusive" BS.

Don't all Xbox "exclusives" also come out for Windows after a while? It seems kind of redundant to have one IMO. Whereas some of my favourite games ever have been PC or PS3 only..

After more than six years of playing catch up, lifetime PlayStation 3 sales have passed lifetime Xbox 360 sales to become the second bestselling home console for the seventh generation. According to VGChartz latest sales data the PlayStation 3 has sold 77,313,472 units to date, while the Xbox 360 has sold 77,311,669 units.

The PlayStation 3 first launched on November 11, 2006, nearly one year after the Xbox 360, which launched on November 22, 2005.

The gap was just over five million units when the PlayStation 3 launched, but it grew to more than eight million units as the PlayStation 3 struggled to take off when it first launched. However, after the first console redesign, price cuts and major software releases the PlayStation 3 started outselling the Xbox 360 on a weekly basis.

In 2010, the PlayStation 3 managed to catch up by 600,000 units and in 2011 by nearly 900,000 units. In 2012, the PlayStation 3 sold 12.73 million units, while the Xbox 360 managed to sell 11.10 million units. In just the first five months of 2013 the PlayStation 3 has outsold the Xbox 360 by one million units.

The Wii, the bestselling home console for the seventh generation, is 22.35 million units ahead of the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. However, the PlayStation 3 has caught up by 2.50 million units in just five months.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/250980/playstation-3-lifetime-sales-overtakes-the-xbox-360/ [vgchartz.com]

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 9 months ago | (#45464651)

PC-like games go to xbox 360. PS3 has mostly japanese console-only games, which are not a replacement for a PC.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

somersault (912633) | about 9 months ago | (#45464829)

They're not a replacement exactly, but it does make the 360 irrelevant IMO. I had all 3 consoles plus a decent PC in the last generation, and my 360 got the least use.

I know that's anecdotal evidence, but I realised after a short while that a Microsoft console was completely redundant. The only reason to have an Xbox is if you can't wait for the games to come out on PC. Gears of War, Halo, Fable etc have come out for PC. Forza hasn't, but I tried it and wasn't exactly smitten (I love driving).

The PS3 doesn't have "mostly Japanese console-only games". The PS3 and Xbox BOTH have "mostly" the same games - which are also then available on PC after a while.

Sony and Nintendo both have exclusives that don't come out on PC. So I probably will end up with a PS4, and maybe a Wii U once they come down in price and work out their teething issues. I don't feel a burning desire for either yet.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

Ravaldy (2621787) | about 9 months ago | (#45465023)

I would never write a document or manage an excel file on a mobile device (not included laptops). It's inefficient to say the least. I'd also love to see one do his taxes on a Galaxy S3 or Iphone 5. Even banking is still limited on mobile devices due to the companies not being completely cough up with all the feature that are available via a standard browser. CURRENT mobile devices aren't input friendly and that is one major reason they aren't crushing the PC market. And not sure who came up with the 95% figure but there's no way the PC market is still at 95%. Maybe 75% but not 95%.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (2)

Sockatume (732728) | about 9 months ago | (#45463961)

Unfortunately for Microsoft, those kinds of computers aren't a growth industry any more. The tide's going out.

"Computers" (4, Informative)

DrYak (748999) | about 9 months ago | (#45464289)

Nothing says" irrelevant" like running on 95% of the world's computers!

...for a very specific subset of "computers":
i.e.: big desktop machines, in homes and offices.

Absolutely every other device with similar computing specs that is interracted directly with, or that is relied behind-the-scene on, runs something else.
(Tablets, Smartphones, home wifi router/modem, home micro-NAS for backups, the set-top box or media under the TV and/or the TV itself, the infotainment system in the Car: i.e. everything at home beside the laptop [the single device running Windows] and the Microwave Oven [still powered by a micro-controller, not enough power for a full-blown OS])
mostly shared between Linux (either GNU or Android), *BSD, and specialised OSes like QNX.

(and at work, as long as it's not a SOHO who is dependant on Microsoft Directory Service and Sharepoint, you can bet that pretty much everything behind the scene run some flavour of Unix)

In short, the "year of Linux on everything except the desktop" has come since long time.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 9 months ago | (#45464299)

For a definition of "computer" that hasn't been relevant for five or six years now.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 9 months ago | (#45464731)

They dont even have 95% of DESKTOP computers anymore let alone anywhere near that number for total computers. Every Android/iOS device is another computer against MS's count. MS is shrinking and in doing so their relative power shrinks exponentially. MS's only strength is their monopoly and its dying.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 9 months ago | (#45463463)

I think they used to sell more than a million phones per day (over a year), maybe that's not relevant but the correct price may be argued.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (2)

riis138 (3020505) | about 9 months ago | (#45463755)

Say what you will about Nokia but as someone who has owned Apple and Samsung devices previously, I have to say my Lumia is the best phone I have ever owned.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (4, Interesting)

somersault (912633) | about 9 months ago | (#45463841)

Anyone who has been paying attention knows that Nokia has been "owned" by MS for a while now though, so this news really just isn't surprising in any way. And it doesn't seem like it will benefit anyone other than Nokia shareholders looking to cash out.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 9 months ago | (#45464815)

Great, too bad its ecosystem is dead. There is simply no apps. I went on the windows store on my 8.1 tablet. No Pandora, no banking app, no anything pretty much. I think the nokia phones are nice, but they are hamstrung by their shitty ecosystem.

Re:Increasingly irrelevant tech dinosaur.. (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about 9 months ago | (#45464473)

What we need is a "sad but true" mod as that has been the MO of Ballmer's tenure at MSFT, buy up companies that are either has beens or just starting out and proceed to completely cock them up and ruin anything that may have been good about them by trying to shape them into a half baked ripoff of whatever was hip. See Kin, Zune, Sidekick, that ad company they bought trying to ape Google, I swear the shareholders would see a better ROI if they replaced Ballmer with a monkey throwing poo at a copy of the business section of the Times and had the company buy whatever stock the monkey covered in the most shit.

I only hope that whomever they get to replace the sweaty one has a brain and quits trying to turn Windows into a sailphone because we really don't have a viable replacement for Windows on the desktop yet. Linux has and will have driver issues as long as Torvalds is in charge, Android is frankly at Win9X level when it comes to stability, with everyone I know including myself experiencing sleep of death, random hangs and crashes, and Apple is too locked down with too little choice and ALL of it overpriced.

Get out while the getting is good! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463399)

Elop has succeeded in destroying Nokia. Hopefully, it will take Microsoft with it!

Re:Get out while the getting is good! (4, Funny)

hydrofix (1253498) | about 9 months ago | (#45463673)

Elop is a likely candidate for the next CEO at Redmond. When you are thinking about Microsoft and Nokia, you must always think in opposites, like in Lewis Carroll's book Through The Looking Glass, to grasp how these companies' management teams operate. So, as in our mere mortals' terms Elop is a miserable executive, who did almost everything in his power to destroy his company's market position, in Redmond-speak it means he is a great manager. Further in their distorted reality field, he is a great choice for the next CEO, because selecting the worst outcome for Microsoft is the management's objective. So, you just might be right about Elop's next job!

Re:Get out while the getting is good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45464069)

Actually Elop did exactly what he was supposed to do, devalue the company to the point the stockholders were BEGGING for this to happen! So having completed his work at Nokia as planned, going home to Microsoft only makes sense.

Re:Get out while the getting is good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45465335)

Oh, sure, like that has ever happened [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Get out while the getting is good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45464139)

Oh yeah, making the best phones they've made in years. Totally destroyed.

Their only chance (4, Insightful)

sunderland56 (621843) | about 9 months ago | (#45463425)

The two choices:

A) sell out to Microsoft and get some cash for the shareholders;

B) go bankrupt and lose everything.

Yeah, I'd choose A too. Interesting that Blackberry, in pretty much the same position, chose B.

Re:Their only chance (1, Interesting)

Kjella (173770) | about 9 months ago | (#45463545)

I think Nokia is barely breaking even in a booming market, they're not quite ready for bankruptcy court even if they're becoming a more and more marginal player. But at this point, yeah I'd vote for Microsoft because what alternative is there at this point? None at all.

Re:Their only chance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463589)

Actually they would have done a lot better if they have decided to choose Android instead of Microsoft. Microsoft saw this coming, because the Nokia designs were amazing, it still it.

How to destroy a good company?

Re:Their only chance (1)

g0bshiTe (596213) | about 9 months ago | (#45463629)

So you're saying "How to destroy a good company?", install Windows as the OS?

Re:Their only chance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463791)

Yea cause look at all the Android vendors making money. I can count them on my phallus, Samsung.

Re:Their only chance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45464883)

Re:Their only chance (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463659)

I would have chose option C
Listen to what everyone was saying and build android phones.

This was the plan all along. The moment I heard an MS goon was heading over I knew Nokia was dead. This is a big fuck-you to all the morons and shills that blathered about windows phone being the "best platform" (Or whatever the copy-paste astroturf term was) for Nokia going forward. Really, go fuck yourself.

Note to all you shills and apologists: Elop didn't even move his fucking family. He was clearly not planing to stay there long.

Re:Their only chance (4, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | about 9 months ago | (#45463859)

Blackberry isn't bankrupt, they still have some useful stuff, they just need to utilise it properly.

If they do go bankrupt it'll be because of management failing to realise their potential, not because they had nothing of value left.

For example, there'd still be massive scope for Blackberry to start releasing Android devices that were secured to a similar standard to their existing phones and to integrate their business tools into it like BIS.

Right now whilst business integration tools have improved for the major smartphone platforms iOS, Android and Windows Phone are still primarily consumer focussed operating systems.

So there'd be a pretty large market for someone with the past experience of Blackberry at satisfying corporate customers to create a purely corporate focussed line of smartphones that are based on iOS, Windows Phone or Android - I suspect Android would be the best bet as it's the easiest option for a third party to customise to the degree needed.

A range of Android handsets with a determined focus on security, business needs, and easy integration to corporate systems would basically hand them the entire business world and they have much of the groundwork in place that they need to do that. They just need management capable of realising it. A good CEO could have this up and running within a year, anything else and then they'll be bankrupt.

Re:Their only chance (2)

cusco (717999) | about 9 months ago | (#45464331)

there'd still be massive scope for Blackberry to start releasing Android devices that were secured

You could have stopped there, the gaping security holes in pretty much all of the Android installations on the market, and the even worse ones introduced by manufacturers' preinstalled crapware, need to be dealt with adequately before I'll consider doing anything like online banking on them.

Re:Their only chance (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 9 months ago | (#45464855)

" before I'll consider doing anything like online banking on them." Security is not really an issue here. Everything is insured and protected from fraud. Banking relies on trust WAY more than it does technology.

Re:Their only chance (1)

TheSpoom (715771) | about 9 months ago | (#45464387)

I wouldn't be surprised if they're already doing this. An Android fork does take time, though.

Re:Their only chance (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45464485)

Blackberry looks to be doing something better. It's already known that just about any Android app will run on BB10 via side-loading. It's not difficult to do, but is something only technical people are likely to do. 10.2, and specifically 10.2.1, make this main stream. 10.2 updates the android compatibility layer and 10.2.1 will load Android APK files natively without conversion. You'll even be able to load 3rd party android app stores and install directly from your device just like Blackberry world. There's further rumors Blackberry may be working with Gogole to enable Google Play (likely the payment system is holding it up from reading). Poof, there goes the app gap.

When 10.2.1 hits, you have Blackberry security and access to all Android apps. Pretty compelling.

Re:Their only chance (1)

dwpro (520418) | about 9 months ago | (#45465255)

While I believe you had an insightful comment, your spelling errors were making me wince so I had to stop reading. Please get a spellchecker, they're so very useful.

Re:Their only chance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45464035)

Oddly the deal did not include Microsoft buying the patents held by Nokia but instead they've agreed to licensing terms for the patents. Maybe Nokia wants to be a patent holding company much like many venture capitalists in Silicin Valley, California, USA.

Not so staggering. (3, Interesting)

intermodal (534361) | about 9 months ago | (#45463479)

I understand the journalistic desire to phrase things dramatically, but there is nothing staggering about a struggling company accepting a buyout from a company with a perceived strong market position.

Re:Not so staggering. (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 9 months ago | (#45463851)

but there is nothing staggering about a struggling company accepting a buyout from a company with a perceived strong market position.

No, but there's something fishy when a former Microsoft exec came in, gutted the company, made them entirely beholden to Microsoft, and then watched their market share collapse.

You couldn't construct a better tin-foil hat scenario than a corporate executive making the company ripe to be bought by his former employer.

To me, either Nokia was incompetently managed, leading to the eventual purchase by Microsoft -- or this was all part of someone's master plan to make this happen.

And if that person who either incompetently managed Nokia (or masterminded their demise) is a candidate to become the CEO of Microsoft ... you have to ask why someone who is either incompetent or dishonest is being considered.

CEOs and executives don't seem to get selected for actually being able to do something, but who they know that can make back room deals. To me, Elop was an abysmal failure at the helm of Nokia, so WTF qualifies him to be at the helm of another?

Succinctly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45464251)

Mission Accomplished!

Re:Not so staggering. (1)

intermodal (534361) | about 9 months ago | (#45464319)

That's not fishy coming from a company like Microsoft. Dirty, underhanded, and unethical, sure. But fishy? Not really. Elop did exactly what he was supposed to do. His loyalties were just not where a Chief Executive's loyalties are supposed to do. He should have been thrown out long before this situation ever happened.

Re:Not so staggering. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45464369)

If he becomes CEO of Microsoft, will the DOJ investigate?

Re:Not so staggering. (2)

intermodal (534361) | about 9 months ago | (#45464471)

They might, but whether anything comes of it may depend upon whose jurisdiction is relevant. Elop is Canadian, Nokia has their primary headquarters in Espoo.

Re:Not so staggering. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45465403)

Not as long as MS keeps the NSA backdoor in Windows. If MS stops cooperation, maybe.

Re:Not so staggering. (2)

cusco (717999) | about 9 months ago | (#45464479)

Nokia was already in decline before Elop came on board, and the decision to abandon Symbian had already been made. His choices were 1) join the stampede towards Android and attempt to compete with established monsters Samsung and LG, 2) resurrect Symbian, or 3) chose a new phone OS. What would your choice have been?

Re:Not so staggering. (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 9 months ago | (#45464587)

What would your choice have been?

What would yours have been? What would Kim Kardashian's have been? What would your mom do? What would Any Kaufman have done?

See, I'll say right up front -- I'm not qualified to be the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company. I can't speak for you, but I'll go out on a limb and say none of Kim Kardashian, your mom, nor Andy Kaufman would have been put in this role. So what we would have done is irrelevant.

Is Elop prepared to say that he's not qualified either? Because otherwise there's an expectation he might actually be supposed to have an idea of what he should have done, and a sound basis upon which to believe it would work (and wishful thinking isn't supposed to count here).

Instead it sounds like he went back to his roots as someone from Microsoft and decided that Windows is the cure for everything -- possibly to the detriment of the company and the shareholders.

Re:Not so staggering. (5, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | about 9 months ago | (#45464021)

The staggering newsworthy thing in this case is that it was the company with a perceived strong market position that engineered the other company into a struggling position in the first place.

Or in other words, this was one of the most blatant planned corporate sabotages and subsequent buyouts of recent history.

Elop has abysmally failed as a CEO and yet Microsoft are treating him like a hero, even with suggestions he's the frontrunner to run Microsoft itself now. Normally in an acquisition like this he'd be first out the door for creating arguably one of the biggest corporate failures in history (the speed at which Nokia lost assets and fell into a loss making company was staggering). The rest of his family never even left America which strongly implies they knew he was coming back. If that doesn't make it clear that what many people suspect went on isn't just theory then I don't know what would.

So the news is that what many people theorised was the plan all along actually was. Maybe given that many of us theorised it from the outset means we shouldn't be surprised, but I think the shock that we were right, that Microsoft would be so blatant and open about the game they were playing and so utterly lacking in subtlety is shocking. Most of us are in disbelief that we were right, that the biggest and most succesful phone manufacturer on the planet and that had a strong anti-Microsoft culture could be turned round into a Microsoft takeover victim in just a few short years.

Re:Not so staggering. (1)

intermodal (534361) | about 9 months ago | (#45464293)

I can agree with that.

Re:Not so staggering. (1)

number17 (952777) | about 9 months ago | (#45465423)

The owners didn't seem to mind otherwise they would have done something about it.

Re:Not so staggering. (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 9 months ago | (#45464875)

If this is all you can say on this subject then perhaps you should be silent in deference to the people who actually know this is the culmination of a long term plan. We are now discussing that long term plan.

Re:Not so staggering. (1)

intermodal (534361) | about 9 months ago | (#45464989)

Seeing that my comment irks you makes it all the more worthwhile. I generally find that if a statement doesn't cause someone to get into a self-righteous snit, it probably wasn't worth making.

Microsoft just wants the patents (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463483)

Next up: They sue Google, Apple, Samsung, and all the others for infringing on "their" work.

Patent litigation is ridiculous.

Re: Microsoft just wants the patents (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463665)

Microsoft is only licensing Nokias patents. Nokia is only selling the mobile phone business, while it keeps it's mapping, patents and mobile network infrastructure business. So Microsoft cannot sue anybody with what it is buying.

Re: Microsoft just wants the patents (0)

jfbilodeau (931293) | about 9 months ago | (#45464105)

Citation?

If that's the case, I would feel better.

Re:Microsoft just wants the patents (1)

fritsd (924429) | about 9 months ago | (#45464677)

Next up: They sue Google, Apple, Samsung, and all the others for infringing on "their" work.

Probably NOT. Probably some lesser known company like Vringo or Intellectual Ventures, who have nothing at all to do wiht Microsoft (legally), will sue Google Apple Samsung et. al. for infringing on "their" work.

You really have to admire Microsoft... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463607)

They played a great game here. First they convinced Nokia to tank their phone business further by throwing out any linux development and installing a hap-dash blinkenlights hail-mary operating system onto their phones to further tank their value before buying them out... ...wait.

Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463697)

Nokia was never huge on Linux development, they had the n900, and that was about it. If you think they could have stayed competitive with Symbian, you're out of your mind.

Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463903)

Never huge? Well, you don't know what you're saying.

Just look at how much Nokia patched the TI shit code.

Just look how much they did work with Maemo.
Or Meego as it was called later.

That was Linux all the way...

Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463939)

And where are all those operating systems now?

Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... (4, Informative)

Sockatume (732728) | about 9 months ago | (#45464027)

Maemo and Meego were Nokia's "skunk works" projects, kept far away from their mainstream consumer phone business. Trust me, Microsoft didn't have to kill off that area. It was dead even while S60 was riding high.

Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 9 months ago | (#45464051)

Nokia was never huge on Linux development, they had the n900, and that was about it.

N710, N800, N900, N9.

Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... (2)

jcdr (178250) | about 9 months ago | (#45464591)

Actually this was: N770, N800, N810, N900, (n990), N9.

Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... (1)

jcdr (178250) | about 9 months ago | (#45464611)

Err, Replace the (n990) by (N950).

Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 9 months ago | (#45464737)

If we keep going we'll eventually get it right :-)

Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45464061)

They had QT

Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... (1)

riis138 (3020505) | about 9 months ago | (#45463801)

Yes, because it would have been a much better proposition to start churning out more disposable Android phones in an already over saturated market. At least wp8 gives them some market differential.

Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... (1)

X.25 (255792) | about 9 months ago | (#45463995)

Yes, because it would have been a much better proposition to start churning out more disposable Android phones in an already over saturated market. At least wp8 gives them some market differential.

It sure does. Market share shows it.

Nokia sold out its soul to get few shitty percent share on US market.

If that's what they wanted...

Re:You really have to admire Microsoft... (2)

Voyager529 (1363959) | about 9 months ago | (#45463997)

Yes, because it would have been a much better proposition to start churning out more disposable Android phones in an already over saturated market. At least wp8 gives them some market differential.

Actually, it would have. It's a much better sell to have a 41 megapixel camera that can upload the pictures it takes to Instagram. They could differentiate themselves in the market by offering Nokia Music and Nokia Maps, yes, things duplicated by Google to some extent, but still worthy properties to help differentiate themselves. Nokia was legendary for having phones that were difficult to break, and while Lumias might not be as indestructible as some of their older candy bar phones, even if they beat out iPhones and Galaxy units by 15%, that would be significant enough to differentiate them.

Finally, if they wanted to stand out and not spend a mint, they could have given consumers the option, at least - allowing users to install either WP8 or Android, depending on which suited them better. Yes, it's a support nightmare and I understand that..but if we're talking about differentiating features, then you don't get much more different from the current crop of phones than to have the ability to pick your OS.

Being different is good. Being different in a way that the market has generally deemed undesirable is not a way to increase sales.

Fare Thee Well, Nokia. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463649)

But truthfully, you've been sliding towards the grave for some time now. It's not all Microsoft's fault.

Re:Fare Thee Well, Nokia. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45463787)

YES it is! M$ killed Nokia to steal their superior phone technology. You're as blind as you are stupid.

I'm kind of amazed... (2, Informative)

HerculesMO (693085) | about 9 months ago | (#45464099)

That people reference Nokia as a failure due to Elop, as if it was doing so well in the smartphone arena before he took over? Have a sense of reality folks. Nokia was dying fast, and while the MS integration may or not have been a great idea, something had to be done. I will let history judge the actions, but in many parts of Europe, Nokia is overtaking the iPhone in sales... so there is that.

Re:I'm kind of amazed... (1)

ruir (2709173) | about 9 months ago | (#45464155)

I am European and I would not use an Nokia even if I were paid for that. Back in here I am seeing people with buying power buying iPhones, and people with budget limits (teens) almost exclusively in Android. Would you care to elaborate the "many parts of Europe"?

Re:I'm kind of amazed... (1)

HerculesMO (693085) | about 9 months ago | (#45464357)

Re:I'm kind of amazed... (1)

jcdr (178250) | about 9 months ago | (#45465371)

Take in account that less than 10% of past Nokia customers are willing to switch to Windows Phone. 90% of them have switched to Android or iOS.

Re:I'm kind of amazed... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45465393)

Sense of reality?

The guy is selected as the CEO of Nokia, and as the first step in power, publicly trashes the company cash cow (Symbian), announcing the premature end of the high-end product line when there's absolutely nothing to replace it. To ensure this, he also kills the skunkworks Linux phone projects, that were already gathering a cult following with their first products.

Unsurprisingly, the market share of the former #1 market giant drops like a stone.

That is pure Harvard Business School case material for Ultimate Fail. Good luck to Microsoft if he becomes their CEO next - the guy is a walking time bomb.

The End (2)

symbolset (646467) | about 9 months ago | (#45464227)

Exit, stage right.

Snapchat (2)

felipou (2748041) | about 9 months ago | (#45464241)

So Snapchat is worth about 40% of Nokia. Interesting.

Quite simple (2)

x181 (2677887) | about 9 months ago | (#45464367)

Steven Elop works for microsoft. Steven Elop goes to Nokia. Steven Elop restructures and retools Nokia to be a Microsoft shop. Steven Elop cuts Nokia's market cap in half. Microsoft buys Nokia. Steven Elop becomes CEO of Microsoft in a few years (after Ballmer's successor resigns after 2 years). You guys connect the dots yet? I'm sure Nokia has a lot of patents Microsoft wants.

might as well (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 9 months ago | (#45464531)

It's not worth much anymore.

Elop (1)

beefoot (2250164) | about 9 months ago | (#45464965)

Mr Elop maybe an undercover MS employee whose sole mission is to crash nokia so MS can buy it at a bargain. Just saying :-) Cheers.

Lost non US advantage (3, Insightful)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about 9 months ago | (#45465207)

The horrible thing is that they could have had a great marketing advantage by being able to say, "Our phones' OS, design, legal control, and manufacturing all take place in a country that will take your security seriously. We do not answer to the whims of US officials and will, in fact, be abusive to their requests."

This would have garnered them a nice chunk of the market.

That is gone now.
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