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At Long Last: IceCube Spots 28 High-Energy Neutrinos

timothy posted about a year ago | from the barely-moves-the-windmill dept.

Space 109

Wired reports that IceCube, the detection facility built just to detect such things, has seen just what it was looking for, even though the researchers involved didn't know it at the time. High-energy neutrinos, the target that IceCube was seeking, weren't showing up as had been hoped, but it turns out that there were quite a few (nearly 30 already, with 2013's data still being recorded) in the three years that the detector has been operating — they just weren't obvious until the data was combed for it. "Most of the 28 high-energy neutrinos so far detected originate from parts of the night sky that don’t include the Milky Way, making it quite likely that they are arriving from a distant source. There are still too few neutrinos to make any specific conclusions about AGNs or gamma-ray bursts, but the IceCube team will continue gathering new data."

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Ice cube jokes (0)

Sigvatr (1207234) | about a year ago | (#45485733)

Please post your ice cube jokes here.

Re:Ice cube jokes (2)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#45485795)

THIS IS THE Dopest SHIT,

Since he split Dr Dre.

Re:Ice cube jokes (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about a year ago | (#45485853)

sheepishly....

Aren't they in the tea?

Re:Ice cube jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486787)

No, Ice T saw 37 kids killed in gang warfare in his back yard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeVzwNV8QOA

Re:Ice cube jokes (1)

Horshu (2754893) | about a year ago | (#45485937)

This almost makes up for all those stupid family films he's been making. Well, this plus 21 Jump Street puts him over the top.

Re: nigger^3 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486155)

This almost makes up for all those stupid family films he's been making. Well, this plus 21 Jump Street puts him over the top.

you must be a real niggerlover to remember all of that!

Re:Ice cube jokes (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about a year ago | (#45485939)

Is this lab STRAIGHT OUT OF COMPTON?

Thanks, OP. I appreciate the thread.

Re:Ice cube jokes (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | about a year ago | (#45485981)

If you want to get high-energy neutrinos, you better straighten out your computations.

Neutrinos With Attitudes (3, Funny)

stevegee58 (1179505) | about a year ago | (#45486041)

You are now about to witness the strength of neutrino knowledge

Re:Ice cube jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486265)

Today was a good day?

Re:Ice cube jokes (2)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year ago | (#45486357)

28 Neutrinos later and the damn kids are still asking, "Are we there yet?"

Re:Ice cube jokes (1)

EdIII (1114411) | about a year ago | (#45486937)

LOL. I swear I took at least 30 seconds reading the fucking title wondering, "What the fuck is IceCube doing looking neutrinos?"

For a second guys.... My brain rationalized it. For just a little bit I accepted a reality where a gangsta rapper put the thug life on hold to look for secrets of the universe, not with weed, but with physics bitches.

Re:Ice cube jokes (1)

DMUTPeregrine (612791) | about a year ago | (#45487545)

Well, if Brian May can do it why can't a rapper?

Re:Ice cube jokes (1)

EdIII (1114411) | about a year ago | (#45487865)

I don't mean to treat the man unfairly. I'm speaking about his gangsta persona. It's not like his real name is Ice Cube you know...

Re:Ice cube jokes (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#45493003)

You know, Mister Ed, that if "ice cube" on slashdot makes you think about a rapper, maybe you're at the wrong site?

I'm REALLY disappointed. A bunch of offtopic, unfunny rapper jokes in a threat about an important scientific discovery and the fucking normals have to drown out any intelligent conversation I came here to read.

Come on, normals, STFU and let the smart folks educate you. That's what I come here for, not rapper jokes I could hear at a ghetto tavern.

Re:Ice cube jokes (1)

imadoofus (233751) | about a year ago | (#45490677)

Because it's Friday, I ain't got no job, and ain't got shit to do!

Re:Ice cube jokes (1)

thewolfkin (2790519) | about a year ago | (#45491237)

After GZA [youtube.com] explained the origins of the universe. IceCube decides to one up him in the lab. Rap beef has been taken to a whole new level.

Knot jokes (0)

reboot246 (623534) | about a year ago | (#45485741)

Post your knot jokes here.

Re:Knot jokes (2)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#45485753)

Post your knot jokes here.

I don't knot what you are talking about.

Re:Knot jokes (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#45485823)

This would be a much better article to have the 'rocket' error that was on an earlier article; or, just to be different, NO ERRORS.

Re:Knot jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486451)

The real question is why didn't the researchers knot it at the time?

Re:Knot jokes (0)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#45485817)

Knot Knot
Who's There?
I'm Knot
I'm Knot Who?
I'm Knot Who You Think I Wood Be.

Re:Knot jokes (0)

boristhespider (1678416) | about a year ago | (#45485995)

Knot Knot
Who's there?
Knot
Knot who?
Don't knot :(

Re:Knot jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45485819)

Is it common for researchers to knot up in their equipment? No wonder stuff doesn't work, it must be a sticky jizz filled mess.

Re:Knot jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45485835)

A: Knot Knot
B: Who's There?

A: Ice Cube.
B: Ice Cube who?

A: Ice Cube over Ice is just Ice Squared.

Re:Knot jokes (1)

thewolfkin (2790519) | about a year ago | (#45491261)

Picture me rolling
from that joke man.

Re:Knot jokes (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about a year ago | (#45485859)

I'm a frayed knot... Said the mixed up rope..

Re:Knot jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45485867)

I'd rather knot.

Re:Knot jokes (2)

JustOK (667959) | about a year ago | (#45486019)

Probably just some string theory conspirator.

Knot I won't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486115)

dothat..

Re:Knot jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45487479)

you better knot mention that again.

Re:Knot jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45488349)

It would seem that the neutrino signal was all tangled up in.

Thanks for the link (2)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#45485743)

At first I thought these rappers had more on the ball than met the ear.

Some of the facilities built for detecting particles are pretty fascinating, including one in northern Arizona, where the water is so pure it will corrode a screwdriver to iron oxide within a few days.

Very cool (no pun intended) observatory. Has it been in James Bond, yet?

Psssh (1)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#45485747)

Ive Cube? Pssssh. What has Ice T spotted?

Re:Psssh (1)

dyingtolive (1393037) | about a year ago | (#45485809)

Dolph Lundgren and Keanu Reeves.

Re:Psssh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45485927)

Coco..

Excellent Editors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45485769)

The quality of Slashdot has deteriorated for quite some time now...

Re:Excellent Editors (4, Funny)

boristhespider (1678416) | about a year ago | (#45486017)

No it has knot

Re:Excellent Editors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45491391)

Judging from the previous posts, I'd say it's the quality off slashdot POSTERS AND MODERATORS who have been deteriorating for quite some time. Slashdot editors were never English majors, they're engineers and programmers. No change since 1997.

Posters and mods, OTOH, jesus, not one single on-topic comment, none funny at all, yet not one was modded down and many were modded up. Disgraceful. Where in the hell did all the smart people I come here to read go?

Re:Excellent Editors (1)

boristhespider (1678416) | about a year ago | (#45493981)

To be fair, at least one of my "jokes" was modded down and it deserved to be because it was woefully unfunny.

On the other hand, my posting history does at least show I've occasionally attempted to clarify or explain various parts of cosmology that are within the bounds of my expertise (as a professional cosmologist of some seven or eight years post-doctoral experience). I think I'm allowed to make the occasional comment that I really wish I hadn't because it's simply not funny.

Ugh (5, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | about a year ago | (#45485805)

Is Slashdot powered by Mechanical Turk?

BAD:

At Long Last: IceCube Spots 28 High-Energy Neutrinos

Wired reports that IceCube, the detection facility built just to detect such things, has seen just what it was looking for, even though the researchers involved didn't knot it at the time. High-energy neutrinos, the target that IceCube was seeking, weren't showing up as had been hoped, but it turns out that there were quite a few (nearly 30 already, with 2013's data still being recorded) in the three years that the detector has been operating — they just weren't obvious until the data was combed for it. "Most of the 28 high-energy neutrinos so far detected originate from parts of the night sky that don’t include the Milky Way, making it quite likely that they are arriving from a distant source. There are still too few neutrinos to make any specific conclusions about AGNs or gamma-ray bursts, but the IceCube team will continue gathering new data."

Good:

At Least 28 High-Energy Neutrinos Detected by IceCube
From Wired ( http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/11/icecube-neutrinos-detected/ [wired.com] )

The high-energy neutrino detector IceCube ( http://icecube.wisc.edu/ [wisc.edu] ) has detected at least 28 high-energy neutrinos in the past 3 years. Until recently, this number was thought to be zero.

The quote from an unknown person is useless because it doesn't tell us what high-energy neutrinos are, why they didn't know about the 28 detections until now, or what AGNs are.

Re:Ugh (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#45485905)

Fortunately, links are provided and we can go off and read. More will undoubtably be in the paper (when published)

Icecube is pretty neat, too. I've been to a lecture on a similar type observatory, which is used to detect rays, their direction and wavelength which precede visible light of stellar events (such as novae).

Re:Ugh (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | about a year ago | (#45486105)

"The quote from an unknown person is useless because it doesn't tell us what high-energy neutrinos are, why they didn't know about the 28 detections until now, or what AGNs are."

AGNs? OMFG. Are we going to be inundated with reports about Anthropogenic Global Neutrinos now?

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45488045)

> Are we going to be inundated with reports about Anthropogenic Global Neutrinos now?

That is a good guess, but in fact they are Anthropomorphic Geosynchronous Neutrinos.

Re:Ugh (1)

oldhack (1037484) | about a year ago | (#45486237)

Is Slashdot powered by Mechanical Turk?

Maybe "timothy" is a Turk, but I don't mean to insult the Turks (mechanical or otherwise).

Anyways, the neutrinos are likely from distance sources, so no indirect confirmation of dark matter, eh?

Re:Ugh (2)

camperdave (969942) | about a year ago | (#45486371)

As this is the only halfway serious post, I'll ask my question here.

"Most of the 28 high-energy neutrinos so far detected originate from parts of the night sky that don’t include the Milky Way, making it quite likely that they are arriving from a distant source.

Since neutrinos can pretty much zip through the entire planet unimpeded, they could enter Ice Cube from any angle at any time. So, how do they know which part of the sky the detected neutrinos are coming from?

Re:Ugh (1)

dmitrygr (736758) | about a year ago | (#45486593)

Same way that you could tell which direction he was coming from if invisible man bumped into you at 100mph... (seriously)

Re:Ugh (1)

fatphil (181876) | about a year ago | (#45489239)

Can a snooker ball detect what velocity (and hence direction) the cue ball hit it with?

Re:Ugh (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486977)

The project consists of a huge 3D grid of light detectors in ice, such that when any high energy particle hits something in the ice, it creates a spray of particles, which also creates a spray of photons from Cerenkov radiation. At the basic level, you can think of conservation of momentum meaning most of the spray needs to be going in the direction of the incoming particle. So they can see which way all of the secondary particles are going and tell with pretty good accuracy which way the original particle came from. Really good timing measurements also gives some time of flight info helping pin point the direction. The shape and type of spray of particles really narrows down what type of particle they are seeing, although neutrinos are most obvious when they are coming upward having traveling through the Earth which would block other kinds of cosmic rays.

Re:Ugh (1)

camperdave (969942) | about a year ago | (#45487813)

...neutrinos are most obvious when they are coming upward having traveling through the Earth which would block other kinds of cosmic rays.

[Lightbulb]Riiiight![/Lightbulb] I was picturing the Earth blocking the neutrinos, so the directionality of IceCube would be skyward. I never thought of looking at it the other way, with the Earth filtering everything else out and the directionality being downward.

Re:Ugh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45487949)

IceCube can distinguish neutrinos going in either direction, and resolve directionality in addition to energy by careful modeling of what type of sprays of stuff different particles hitting ice would make. But at the lower energies, it can be difficult to separate neutrinos that are from space and ones that are from cosmic rays hitting the atmosphere. Separating those out is where using the Earth as a filter really helps out. Not so much as a filter actually, but as just a simple spacer when you consider the 1/r^2 difference between the atmosphere right above IceCube and the atmosphere on the opposite side of the Earth, which both generate neutrinos from cosmic ray interactions. But using the Earth as a filter also makes for a nice test of the model stuff too since you know the upward stuff is neutrinos anyway.

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45489363)

Not so much as a filter actually, but as just a simple spacer when you consider the 1/r^2 difference between the atmosphere right above IceCube and the atmosphere on the opposite side of the Earth...

But there's more atmosphere on the opposite side of the Earth than there is in the small chunk right above IceCube, so there are more neutrinos being produced in it. This exactly cancels out the 1/r^2 dependence from the distance. So the only reason the Earth is useful is as a filter.

It gets a bit more complex, too, when you look at the energy-dependence of neutrino interactions. Low-energy neutrinos interact very weakly, and can pass through the entire Earth. At higher energies, neutrinos interact more strongly, and the Earth is enough to block them. So, IceCube can see low-energy neutrinos that come from the opposite side of the Earth - but it can only see high-energy neutrinos that come from above (i.e. the southern hemisphere).

Re:Ugh (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about a year ago | (#45490083)

A bit more clearly (but yeah, dmitrygr said it all), when a neutrino hits an atom it leaves a trail of light with a nonzero length.

Re:Ugh (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about a year ago | (#45487845)

It was really easy-e, they were Neutrinos With Attitudes.

Well there you have it... (1)

grub (11606) | about a year ago | (#45485903)


... undeniable evidence that Earth is 6,000 years old and Noah had baby dinosaurs on the Ark.

Re:Well there you have it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486833)

... undeniable evidence that Earth is 6,000 years old and Noah had baby dinosaurs on the Ark.

No Noah had middle aged dinosaurs in teh Ark so he could watch them fuck. Reptile sex RARRRH!

N-ice (4, Interesting)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#45485935)

Nice to see another big science project providing results. The data from all these recent big experiments should be quite helpful in winnowing out some theories. It looks some supersymmetry theories appear inconsistent with the data being seen. Things seem to be resolving towards the standard model, and yet it has problems. Interesting times ahead I'm sure.

Electron Shape Measurement, Most Precise Yet, Rules Out New Physics Theories [nature.com]
Observation of micro–macro entanglement of light [nature.com]

Queen and IceCube (1)

Jaktar (975138) | about a year ago | (#45485949)

I bet Brian May could help Icecube. They should collaborate.

Re:Queen and IceCube (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45489919)

Is it insightful or sad that the moment I saw "collaborate" I hummed "Stop! Collaborate and listen!" to myself? Vanilla Ice wants in on the research too!

BBT (0, Troll)

ruiner13 (527499) | about a year ago | (#45485955)

I hope Howard, Leonard, and Rajesh didn't just mess up Sheldon's experiment...

Re:BBT (1)

Dishwasha (125561) | about a year ago | (#45486325)

How dare you associate Sheldon with such an imbecilic experiment. Sheldon and any other mathematician worth his weight had ALREADY proven the existence of high speed neutrinos. I takes a pack of idiots to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to "prove" something when we had already done so YEARS ago.

Re:BBT (1)

Sez Zero (586611) | about a year ago | (#45486419)

Sheldon and any other mathematician...

How dare you lump Sheldon in with lowly mathematicians. He's a theoretical physicist, not some school teacher.

Re:BBT (1)

Dishwasha (125561) | about a year ago | (#45486565)

Um.....what do you think a theoretical physicist [wikipedia.org] is, ignoramus?

Re:BBT (1)

vux984 (928602) | about a year ago | (#45486607)

This is about right...

http://xkcd.com/435/ [xkcd.com]

Re:BBT (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#45492791)

How dare you lump Sheldon in with lowly mathematicians.

Steven hawking: "There's an arithmetic error on page three" of Sheldon's report.
George Smoot: "With all due respects, Dr. Cooper, but are you on crack?"

Great news. (2)

goldaryn (834427) | about a year ago | (#45485969)

You'd have thought someone would've thought to check the results?

Anyway, I bet they're glad; after 3 fruitless years, the project must have been on the rocks.



YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

Re:Great news. (2)

boristhespider (1678416) | about a year ago | (#45486009)

Actually, I think it's on the knots

Re:Great news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486481)

Nope, science experiments often collect years more worth of data than they can use.

Re:Great news. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486945)

The project was far from fruitless over the last three years, as it is capable of detecting a wide variety of cosmic rays, and had many results from not so high energy neutrinos. The high energy neutrinos is the new part here

Re:Great news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45489385)

You'd have thought someone would've thought to check the results?

They're trying to avoid this effect [xkcd.com] , where they search for hundreds of different signals and find a statistically significant one by sheer coincidence. Instead, they lock their data carefully away and don't look at it, while they spend a few years working on their statistical tests and picking the most meaningful one. Then they release the data, apply the test - and in this case, find a signal.

28 high-energy neutrinos, great! (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year ago | (#45486033)

28 high-energy neutrinos, great! Nuclear submarines can now communicate at faster rates than 1 bit/s while deep under water without raising an antenna wire to the surface!

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/mar/19/neutrino-based-communication-is-a-first [physicsworld.com]

".... the target that IceCube was seeking" (1)

KrazyDave (2559307) | about a year ago | (#45486035)

Apparently stamps. I saw Ice Cube at the Studio City post office.

At Long Last: IceCube Spots 28 High-Energy Neut... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486045)

IceT, who spotted only 19 neutrinos was unavailable for comment.

Does this mean (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486231)

that Martians might have found Neutrinos easier than we did. If we were looking in the wrong place - looking for raw neutrinos as opposed to their interaction with cosmic background radiation, surely Mars would have more cosmic background radiation than Earth, having no electromagnetic field.

WHA BOW PUFFY DADDY ?? SNOOP DOGGIE DOG ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486235)

Ice tea ?? Pee Diddie ?? Bo Diddlie ?? Teddie Pendergrass ?? Eddie Kendricks ??

bizn4tch (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486241)

moans 4nd groans [goat.cx]

I worked on this a bit (5, Interesting)

Gherald (682277) | about a year ago | (#45486259)

In 2005 I was a sysadmin at the IceCube Neutrino Observatory headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin. Biggest project I worked on was porting RS 485 serial drivers from a legacy unix system to Linux 2.6 and setting up the HP rack servers which we then shipped down to the pole from New Zealand on a C-130 Hercules. Also, I built a data visualization system in python+django which ran over a 1km-long DSL network between the drilling site and the south pole base. Never got to down there myself (my FTE boss did), but it was a fun project for a student and looks good on the resume and all. Did I mention SSH connections over satellite to Antarctica are pretty slow?

Re:I worked on this a bit (1)

volvox_voxel (2752469) | about a year ago | (#45487131)

How slow, and how good was the connection?

Re:I worked on this a bit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45488089)

From what I remember, the fastest satellite connection is only above the horizon a couple hours a day and still wasn't the greatest speed link. Many projects found it better to send data back via hard drives and tapes.

Re:I worked on this a bit (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year ago | (#45489031)

The python was slow.

Re:I worked on this a bit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45491081)

The python was slow.

Well it does have that cold-blooded thing working against it in Antarctica.

Re:I worked on this a bit (1)

owlstead (636356) | about a year ago | (#45487235)

Yes, you did...

Re:I worked on this a bit (1)

Jamie Ian Macgregor (3389757) | about a year ago | (#45487973)

4 years before that I often dealt with the Chatham islanders who could only get 9600bps via satellite/dialup how does that link compare? I would bet Antarctica was/is far better with all the sciency stuff happening down there. actually quite interested to hear what the Chathams link is like these days if any /.er's know

Re:I worked on this a bit (1)

torsmo (1301691) | about a year ago | (#45490159)

How different is IceCube from the Kamioka experiments (past, current and future)?

Re:I worked on this a bit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45493635)

Wow, I had no idea their headquarters were so close. Think they're looking for another sysadmin?

Re:I worked on this a bit (1)

tomthegeek (1145233) | about a year ago | (#45493649)

PS Forgot to sign in.

This guy has a lot of talents (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486679)

Rapping, acting, and now high energy particle physics. What can't this guy do!?

Re:This guy has a lot of talents (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45493631)

Rapping, acting, and now high energy particle physics. What can't this guy do!?

Yeah, rapping and acting.

It was (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45486961)

I got to say it was a good day

You would never know... (2)

mbone (558574) | about a year ago | (#45487345)

You would never know, reading the original article, that neutrinos were detected from SuperNova 1987A [wikipedia.org] back in, well, 1987.

Re:You would never know... (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year ago | (#45489033)

Yeah but they were from, like, the next galaxy over.

Re:You would never know... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45489433)

Supernovas (and the sun) produce neutrinos with energies around 10^7 electron-Volts. The neutrinos detected by IceCube are around 10^15 electron-Volts. They're as different as radio waves (wavelength > 1 m) and x-rays (wavelength 10^-8 m).

These high-energy neutrinos can't possibly be produced by supernovas, so they must come from something else - like cosmic rays being accelerated in active galactic nuclei (the "AGNs" mentioned in the summary).

Wait wait wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45487517)

"Most of the [neutrinos] originate from parts of the night sky that don’t include the Milky Way..."

Did you check to make sure they're not 180 degrees away from the Milky Way? Maybe they're messages from the future traveling backwards in time, and they just appear to be coming from outside the Milky Way. :-D

That would make this story at least 1000x more awesome, unless it turns out to be the first 28 bits of a galaxy-wide spamvertisement for boner pills that won't be invented until 10,000 years after we're dead.

Matrix (1)

jimmydigital (267697) | about a year ago | (#45488413)

So... are we living in the matrix [discovermagazine.com] or what?

Re:Matrix (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#45488909)

that's a load of new age bullshit.

tmost major religions would lead you to believe something along those lines and the article makes wonderful assumptions that the universe the simulation is running in is like this supposedly simulated universe, that they would have had to take shortcuts and those shortcuts would be possible to notice - and notice without them altering noticing them - and taken to that direction why make an assumption that the world outside the room you're not in is running at all when you're not looking.

and would we like to know? for sure, yes, it's human nature. only people who wouldn't like to know are new age tweeks who would just like to keep pretending that it is a possibility. would it make any difference at all? not really, just that it would prove some kind of "gods"

this doesn't prove anything like that either way though. it seems it might discredit some theories though.

Fuck the Pole-Ice! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45488943)

Young neutrino got it bad 'cause I'm Tau...

It seems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45489453)

Today was a good day.

thats about $2M a neutrino (1)

peter303 (12292) | about a year ago | (#45491551)

I havent heard of kids detecting neutrinos for a science fair project yet.
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