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Cloud Storage Comparison: Benchmarking From Afar

timothy posted about 10 months ago | from the your-cloud-is-rainier-than-mine dept.

Data Storage 49

First time accepted submitter fasuin writes "Which is the most advanced cloud storage solution? Which is the impact of server locations? What are the benefits of advanced techniques to optimise data transfers? Researchers from Italy and The Netherlands have come out with a set of benchmarks that allowed them to compare Dropbox, CloudDrive, SkyDrive and Google Drive. Which is the best? You can check it by yourself by running the tests on your own if you like." What this kind of benchmarking can't well do, though, is predict which of these cloud storage companies are going to be around in five years, which might be at least as an important a factor.

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pretty sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499051)

Apple Google and ms will be around. Worst case Dropbox will be bought out cause you know users. Though they make money so their ipo will be worthless.

Re:pretty sure (3, Insightful)

gweihir (88907) | about 10 months ago | (#45500149)

Apple, Google, and in particular, MS, could just decide that they do not care about that product anymore...

Re:pretty sure (3, Informative)

fermion (181285) | about 10 months ago | (#45501343)

In fact when Apple moved to iCloud, it did not transfer data from Mobileme though there appeared to be no technical reason not to, and this was for paying customers. There was plenty of warning, but if data was not backed up it was gone.

Then there were all the accounts Google was deleting a couple years ago. They have never been of the tact that customer support, even for customers, is important. Getting back data is no their concern.

MS has not been in the free online data store biz for long. Yes they have some commercial offering, but they are only just entering the consumer space depends on the success of the new new Surface. Otherwise it will just be an MS Office feature. MS had no problem ending play for sure and all the customer data associated with it, which represented real money, not just easily backed up data.

Ice Pick in the Eye (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45501639)

I really want to stab any moron who uses the term "Cloud" in the eye with an icepick. .

Re:Ice Pick in the Eye (1)

tqk (413719) | about 10 months ago | (#45501857)

Except for the "any moron" there, that would include Vint Cerf (he's drawn quite a few clouds), so you didn't add anything. Cheers.

Not quite sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499061)

"What this kind of benchmarking can't well do, though, is predict which of these cloud storage companies are going to be around in five years, which might be at least as an important a factor. "

Some companies are known to shutdown services that are not popular , not quite easy to predict what services will be around in 5 years

Re:Not quite sure (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499083)

"shutdown" is a noun, like "backup". When you put your car in reverse, do you back up or backup? That's right, phrasal verbs are two words! SHUT DOWN is what you want. What blows my mind with you tech types is you do things that are so complex, arcane and incomprehensible, but the English language seems to defeat you.

Re:Not quite sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499281)

"shutdown" is a noun, like "backup". When you put your car in reverse, do you back up or backup? That's right, phrasal verbs are two words! SHUT DOWN is what you want. What blows my mind with you tech types is you do things that are so complex, arcane and incomprehensible, but the English language seems to defeat you.

This type of speak, most of them are inclined to do, should be called: Command Line English.

The summary submitter and the op appear to be one and the same. Putting aside the fact there's probably nothing really wrong about one salting their own accepted submission (if that happens to be the case), it also appears English isn't fasuin's native language.

Having said that, there's something very disturbing about the overwhelming majority of technical types having an inability to communicate an idea clearly. They seem to be caught up in their imagination and assume people will see whatever it is they're thinking regardless of the word or phrases they'll use.

The same term or phrase applying to several ideas; different terms and phrases being applied to the same idea; redefining accepted definitions; excessive use of pronouns that end up being applied to several different things; leaving out steps in instructions -- it sucks, especially when they say "read the manual", which is written in the same loner-basement language.

Re: Not quite sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499989)

Sod off. We "tech types" consider your grammar rules to be just another horribly implemented syntax. And another thing: my variable names are one word. If it's good enough for my variables it's good enough for my phrasal verbs!

Re: Not quite sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45504145)

Sod off. We "tech types" consider your grammar rules to be just another horribly implemented syntax. And another thing: my variable names are one word. If it's good enough for my variables it's good enough for my phrasal verbs!

That's a good idea when you're writing a program for a computer, until you arbitrarily change the syntax rules -- an unforgiving fail as far as the computer is concerned. Properly articulating an idea applies to any universe. As a tech type, I say: What do you mean, "We"; wifeless wackoff.

Re:Not quite sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45500691)

After you shut down and boot up, wait for the log in screen to appear, when it does use your key board to type your user name and pass word to log on.

Wrong benchmark (3, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about 10 months ago | (#45499073)

How about measuring how fast the NSA get a copy of all my stuff?

Re:Wrong benchmark (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499163)

Dropbox featured in PRISM
Google featured in PRISM
CloudDrive is Amazon's offering, they just won various spook contracts.
Skydrive is from Microsoft who worked hard to bypass their own encryption from NSA

So none of them are suitable for any data beyond you videos of cats. Certainly no business data, nothing from any customer that might sue you. Nothing subject to any regulatory protection. No financial data. Medical data. You should be pretty safe storing your cat videos on them.

Quite a few others are spook funded, so I'd skip those too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel

Cloudera, Cleversafe etc. lots of business data analysis done in the cloud, none of it can be used. I would also not buy an electronic door lock system from a CIA funded company, I see those are listed too.

Note that this list is only the tiny *disclosed* investments, it does not represent the full list of spooks funded companies.

Re: Wrong benchmark (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45500629)

Posting anonymous, because I'm at startup weekend on my phone.

This is why I built SenderDefender.com

Relatively secure transfer services, no long term storage, easy to use. I'm in beta, use the service, send me email. You can just send cat pictures if you want, I can't tell one way or another.

Matt

Re:Wrong benchmark (2)

gagol (583737) | about 10 months ago | (#45499473)

Using dropbox or any cloud data storage provider to store sensible information is not a good idea.

Re:Wrong benchmark (1)

bobstreo (1320787) | about 10 months ago | (#45500373)

Using dropbox or any cloud data storage provider to store sensible information is not a good idea.

Do you mean sensitive?

Because I think it's sensible to not use sensitive information, and it may not be legal in some cases.

Most of what I have in dropbox is recipes and gutenburg ebooks.

Re:Wrong benchmark (1)

anon mouse-cow-aard (443646) | about 10 months ago | (#45500685)

Using dropbox or any cloud data storage provider to store sensible information is not a good idea.

Most people put total nonsense in their cloud storage, so that's fine... (hint: foreign speaker alert! "Sensible" does not mean the same thing it means in French (at least, perhaps some other language in question. for Spanish speakers, try translating "No me molestes!" for fun...)

Re:Wrong benchmark (1)

pegasustonans (589396) | about 10 months ago | (#45499483)

How about measuring how fast the NSA get a copy of all my stuff?

That depends on how fast your upload speed is.

Re:Wrong benchmark (2)

module0000 (882745) | about 10 months ago | (#45500573)

EncFS fits really nicely on dropbox. It avoids the whole every-change-causes-full-resync problem of using TrueCrypt.

Of course, that may just alert the NSA to your presence faster when you have a big glob of data they can't get at. Somewhere, someone picks up a $5 wrench and starts driving in your direction...

Cloud... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499095)

Fuck it. I've been reading Slashdot almost since it started. I'm fed up with this now. Bye.

Re:Cloud... (4, Funny)

clj (153252) | about 10 months ago | (#45499117)

Yay! No more lame Anonymous Coward posts!

Re:Cloud... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499243)

Yay! No more lame Anonymous Coward posts!

Classic erroneous presupposition of any lame Anonymous Coward posts.

Re:Cloud... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499337)

Woosh!

Re:Cloud... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499553)

Woosh!

Hey! Why did I just woosh myself?
Weiiiird day I tell you.

Re:Cloud... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45500475)

Woosh!

Hey! Why did I just woosh myself?
Weiiiird day I tell you.

What is my problem? I wish I would shut up about this already.

Re:Cloud... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45500533)

Woosh!

Hey! Why did I just woosh myself?
Weiiiird day I tell you.

What is my problem? I wish I would shut up about this already.

Okay, now it's weird. Stop hacking my account, this isn't funny anymore!!

Re:Cloud... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499475)

Fuck it. I've been reading Slashdot almost since it started. I'm fed up with this now. Bye.

I think we all understand cloud is a marketing term. But, it's also the term these services use to describe themselves.

In doing a comparison like this, would you just ignore how these services present themselves in favor of pedantic descriptions?

Is doing so useful in any way, given we all know the "cloud" colloquial short-hand and it's limitations?

Re:Cloud... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499839)

I know that feeling bro...

Re:Cloud... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499853)

If i may add a few things: "Elon Musk" and "APT"

Re:Cloud... (1)

gelfling (6534) | about 10 months ago | (#45500323)

Not with an 8 digit user number you haven't.

GlusterFS could be on this list (4, Informative)

purpleidea (956832) | about 10 months ago | (#45499173)

It's pretty awesome, and pretty cheap on $/Gb/Performance.
I'm biased because I'm the Puppet-Gluster dev.
http://ttboj.wordpress.com/puppet-gluster/ [wordpress.com]

You can run GlusterFS in "cloud" or on your own iron. Because it's not proprietary, the possibilities are endless, and it has a lot of very elegant features.

HTH
Cheers

Re: GlusterFS could be on this list (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499341)

Yes but glusterfs needs you to set it up on (partially) dedicated hardware , and it requires all components to be close together. Not like cloud storage at all.

Something like AeroFS is more like it.

Re: GlusterFS could be on this list (2)

purpleidea (956832) | about 10 months ago | (#45504807)

You can run it in the cloud too. You'll have the same/similar latency problems as with "native" could storage. If your storage is distributed across different AZ's, latency will be worse. Depends on your provider too. Jeff Darcy gave a talk about this at LISA:
https://www.usenix.org/conference/lisa13/storage-performance-testing-cloud [usenix.org]

GlusterFS has proper, geo-replication which is becoming much better and HA in 3.5 (coming soon).

Cheers!

wat (1)

wizden (965907) | about 10 months ago | (#45499197)

can't well do?

Why can't Jonny code? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499239)

sudo ./delta_encoding.py -i wlan0 --seed 123134 --bytes 10000 --test 3 -o /tmp/output/ --ftp 1.1.1.1 --port 2121 --user "user_name" --passwd "password" --folder="."

Security is NOT an issue with The Cloud. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499607)

Wait a minute. I'm a manager, and I've been reading a lot of case studies and watching a lot of webcasts about The Cloud. Based on all of this glorious marketing literature, I, as a manager, have absolutely no reason to doubt the safety of any data put in The Cloud.

The case studies all use words like "secure", "MD5", "RSS feeds" and "encryption" to describe the security of The Cloud. I don't know about you, but that sounds damn secure to me! Some Clouds even use SSL and HTTP. That's rock solid in my book.

And don't forget that you have to use Web Services to access The Cloud. Nothing is more secure than SOA and Web Services, with the exception of perhaps SaaS. But I think that Cloud Services 2.0 will combine the tiers into an MVC-compliant stack that uses SaaS to increase the security and partitioning of the data.

My main concern isn't with the security of The Cloud, but rather with getting my Indian team to learn all about it so we can deploy some first-generation The Cloud applications and Web Services to provide the ultimate platform upon which we can layer our business intelligence and reporting, because there are still a few verticals that we need to leverage before we can move to The Cloud 2.0.

Re:Security is NOT an issue with The Cloud. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499685)

I know you're trying to be funny, but you're depressing the hell out of me.

Re:Security is NOT an issue with The Cloud. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45499915)

Its not the transfer of data that you always have to look out for, its also the breaking into of the storage device. I have yet to hear from any users that the cloud service is better than a local server. Lag time, server outage, network down are just a few problems. The network down never happened before going to the 'cloud', which is a lame term to begin with. 'Treat the public like kiddies with cotton candy words'.

Re: Security is NOT an issue with The Cloud. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45500015)

;~@( you made my monkey cry.

Re: Security is NOT an issue with The Cloud. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45500561)

Spank the monkey and win a prize !

Amazon S3 (1)

tkuCheck (2944677) | about 10 months ago | (#45499933)

I use Amazon Simple Storage Service [amazon.com] and I really like it. The only wish I have for it is that it would be cheaper. As far as quality of the service itself, I think it's as good as it gets nowadays, but don't take my word for it.

Re:Amazon S3 (2)

Bodero (136806) | about 10 months ago | (#45500375)

Well, essentially that's the backend for Dropbox - they are a service built on top of S3.

However, if you don't need your files often, but rather just want a place to archive them, you can take a look at Amazon Glacier [amazon.com] - an archiving and backup solution. You can even implement lifecycle policies inside your S3 buckets to automatically move files older than X days from S3 to Glacier, which is much cheaper.

What about Copy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45500291)

Copy.com is like Dropbox but they give you 15GB when you sign up and install the client. If you use a referral link like this https://copy.com?r=FJ0ixF you will start with 20GB. I like Copy and think it works as well as Dropbox and they are not as stingy with space.

Re:What about Copy? (0)

flyingfsck (986395) | about 10 months ago | (#45501255)

Thanks for that link!

So bascially they're all terrible (1)

gelfling (6534) | about 10 months ago | (#45500327)

We knew that already of course most of it depends on your connection which can be truly awful as well.

5 years? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45500351)

I'd wager cloud drive isn't going anywhere fast. Amazon doesn't like to kill services and it integrates with core aspects of the business. Unless you think the company's just going to disappear, I'd consider that fairly reliable.

Publish Something (1)

Fnord666 (889225) | about 10 months ago | (#45501835)

I guess someone was told that they had to publish something this year or lose their faculty position, so this is it.

Maybe I should try again (0)

Bengie (1121981) | about 10 months ago | (#45502269)

I tried Dropbox a few months back. It was quite slow because of the way they transferred the data in a blocking way. When trying to upload a 2GB file to their service, I would see my network activity jump to about 30mb/s in 1/2 a second, then drop down to 0, then 1/2sec later, start transferring the next block. My connection was effective used only 1/2 the time. Even worse, TCP didn't have enough time to ramp up, so it couldn't make full use of my connection.

Is there a Dropbox Clone Out There (yet?) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 months ago | (#45503975)

Is there anything that emulates the dropbox API, so I can change all dropbox.com to myownserver.org in my hosts file and be done with it?

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