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European Commission Outlines Steps To Restore Trust In EU-US Data Flows

Unknown Lamer posted about 8 months ago | from the mending-wounds dept.

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hypnosec writes "The European Commission has outlined steps it believes will pave the way for restoring faith in EU-U.S. data flows following revelations about NSA spying activities under its PRISM program. The EC notes that spying on its citizens, companies, and leaders is unacceptable; and that citizens of U.S. and EU need to be reassured about protection of their data, while companies need to be reassured that the existing agreements between the two regions are respected and enforced. The Commission outlined a total of six areas that it believes require action including swift adoption of the EU's data protection reforms; making Safe Harbor safer; strengthening data protection safeguards in the law enforcement area; commitment from the U.S. for making use of a legal framework; addressing European concerns in the on-going U.S. reform process; and promoting privacy standards internationally."

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We have a reform process in the US? (3, Insightful)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about 8 months ago | (#45539525)

>> addressing European concerns in the on-going U.S. reform process

Really, we have an active privacy reform process in the US? I haven't heard much about that since Obamacare finally went off the rails.

Re:We have a reform process in the US? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539583)

Given your US news I can see why you wouldn't know anything about it really.

Re:We have a reform process in the US? (4, Interesting)

mlts (1038732) | about 8 months ago | (#45539815)

What, you mean the latest news about a four game suspension from the Seahawks isn't news, or Dancing With the Stars new season?

No wonder why most of the clued Americans end up reading Al Jazeera these days when 5-10 years ago, AJ was joked about as the "terrorist news network". Thanks to an earlier reference, dw.de is another decent source (although all the above have their bias, and one can easily see it in the way their stuff is phrased.)

On a realistic note, the Europeans have a valid issue about this.

There are diplomatic solutions (trust, but verify), but there are also technological solutions. One of those could be passthrough encryption in one country before data is stored in another, where if company "A" wants to store data in their home country, the data from country "B" would have to be encrypted in that country by a key only held there. Of course, there is a lot of room to compromise keys (key management is in itself a major undertaking), but done right, it isn't impossible.

Re:We have a reform process in the US? (2)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 8 months ago | (#45541263)

MJ is legal in WA and CO - in terms of the Seahawks being suspended.

There are no methods to overturn an unjust invasion of Privacy and the constant violations of the US Constitution - nobody ever goes to jail for doing that.

Ever.

The revolution is coming fast, you can hear it boiling.

Re:We have a reform process in the US? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45542641)

Given that it's taken this long, I expect that big corporate entities are now finally aware of privacy concerns and how they are effected, and now they want to make sure that their privacy is protected and individuals can't make the same claims to a right to privacy.

Re:We have a reform process in the US? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539589)

Yes, the reform is in the direction of no-privacy for everyone.

Re:We have a reform process in the US? (2)

TheMeuge (645043) | about 8 months ago | (#45539795)

Yes, the reform is in the direction of no-privacy for everyone.

I have to say it, but we should mod up the AC.

The active privacy reform across the industrial world (yes, EU, UK, AU I'm talking to you as well, not just US) is the assertions that:
1. there no right to privacy for the citizens
2. there IS a right to privacy for n, where n=power or money (read: police, government, corporate interests)
3. noting a vast power unbalance as a result of 1 and 2 makes one a terrorist

Re:We have a reform process in the US? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45540201)

Is this a new meme, how many times a specific handle mentions Obamacare as unrelated non sequitur? JonBoy is up to at least 5, keep at it.

Isn't that America's job? Restoring trust? (1, Troll)

bazmail (764941) | about 8 months ago | (#45539549)

lol Euro-weenies always finding an excuse to lick boot

Re:Isn't that America's job? Restoring trust? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539603)

lol Euro-weenies always finding an excuse to lick boot

In the rest of the world, problem solving through honest dialog is the norm.

In the US, not so much.

But, hey, I'm glad to see you're a smug asshole American who is dismissive of anybody else. Congratulations, and go fuck yourself.

Re:Isn't that America's job? Restoring trust? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539757)

yup smug American whose asshole the Euro-weenies always finding an excuse to lick

Re:Isn't that America's job? Restoring trust? (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539869)

yup smug American whose asshole the Euro-weenies always finding an excuse to lick

Well, first we'll try to deal politely with you.

Then we might tell you to go fuck yourselves.

Re:Isn't that America's job? Restoring trust? (1)

fredrated (639554) | about 8 months ago | (#45541057)

I see you are a coward, good thing since you are clearly mentally disturbed.

Trust in USA? What's that? (4, Insightful)

coder111 (912060) | about 8 months ago | (#45539753)

Who in their right mind could trust USA? Unicorns are more real than trust in USA. Spying, 2 wars based on lies and deceit, lots of profiteering at everyone's expense, patent trolling and other IP based litigation nonsense, shoving harmful legislation down everyones throats- all of that is coming from US.

Well, unless it's "trust" as in "I trust US to screw everyone at every opportunity".

--Coder

Re:Trust in USA? What's that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45541987)

One war was based on lies. Not two wars. The Afghan war was the real deal.

Re:Trust in USA? What's that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45542261)

Real? In what way?

Re:Trust in USA? What's that? Correct (1)

ombzhch (3419157) | about 8 months ago | (#45545139)

This is at two levels, as Washington sinks deeper into the swamp, and can't even control Government Agencies, first real trust and friendship is fatally damaged, and we will soon TEA Party your friends over here, and it dosn't work since you leave yourselves fatally open to false flag injection. These people are not only crooks, they are traitors to the US Constitution and as dumb as a bag of bricks!

Re:Trust in USA? What's that? Correct (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45546233)

This is at two levels, as Washington sinks deeper into the swamp, and can't even control Government Agencies,
first real trust and friendship is fatally damaged, and we will soon TEA Party your friends over here, and it dosn't work
since you leave yourselves fatally open to false flag injection.

These people are not only crooks, they are traitors to the US Constitution and as dumb as a bag of bricks!

Dumb as a bag of bricks? Yeah I guess that describes the Tea Party.

We have the solution! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539587)

More lies! This will work this time. We're sure of it!

You'd be a fool to trust the US anywhere near your data these days. All the stuff revealed lately is just *some* of what's what.
What we don't yet know.......

Justice has been severely folded, bent, mutilated, and trampled. It's going to take DECADES to restore even a small percentage of the trust erased lately.

Re:We have the solution! (4, Informative)

gmuslera (3436) | about 8 months ago | (#45539791)

This. If NSA chief have no problem lying to US congress, and had no consequences after that was found out, what stop them to keep lying to Europe all they want?

And what was released till now is just the tip of the iceberg (or just a snowflake over it) so far it has been released 500 out of 200000 [nydailynews.com] of the documents that Snowden got.

There is no reasonable trust anymore, but they can be gullible all they want, or just play this as a theater to keep their population at bay.

Re: We have the solution! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45540995)

From your link: passwords only valid for a few moments each day? How does that work? Because mathematics of encryption doesn't change, is it a time-of-day based password for some server or something?

Sounds like rubbish!

Not sure about that. (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 8 months ago | (#45541557)

We have some equipment at work, with factory and maintenance access codes. Those codes change, seemingly at random, until you know the secret. Date and time determines the proper access codes. I suppose that it would be a fairly simple matter to only allow access within certain time frames - that is, simply to null xx% of the now-valid codes.

This isn't a new system, by any means. The machinery runs SysV dated late 1990's.

But Senator! (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about 8 months ago | (#45541431)

I can't understand why the Senator is shocked that our spies lied to him. They are SPIES, after all! Do you really expect that spies are going to tell you the truth about anything?

Re:But Senator! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45543857)

I can't understand why the Senator is shocked that our spies lied to him. They are SPIES, after all! Do you really expect that spies are going to tell you the truth about anything?

Spies are only supposed to lie to the enemy (all other governments in this case), and to all citizens.

Spies became spies when they were hired by their government to obtain information for said government. If the government didn't want the truth from them, they would never have been hired and thus wouldn't be spies.

It's still possible the boss ordered the spy to publicly state they don't spy, while the boss publicly states he is shocked about it, in which case there likely isn't a problem as far as the government is concerned.
We have no real way to know about that one.

Restore? (1, Insightful)

Pogue Mahone (265053) | about 8 months ago | (#45539607)

Difficult to *restore* a faith that was never there.

Re:Restore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45540227)

Money talks, trust .. something. The investment market should measure the amount of trust better than nationalist media reports. As to the politics, economic codependency is the new/old m.a.d. The rest is some weird shit and cock waving meant to market intelligence capabilities for the political "oversight" and "controls" to maintain budgets and boost egos, "we are all powerful" or "we are the greatest eva" style.

Re:Restore? (1)

Teun (17872) | about 8 months ago | (#45540873)

Trust me, the trust was there, last week it was some 50 years it started to fade...

Restore trust?? (3, Insightful)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 8 months ago | (#45539619)

Heh, that's a good one. How do you restore trust in a system that is corrupt by design, not by defect? You cannot ever trust any system to works on concentrated authority. It is impossible to acquire adequate oversight.

Re:Restore trust?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539727)

Heh, that's a good one. How do you restore trust in a system that is corrupt by design, not by defect?

By proven incompetence.

The car analogy would be if a car is designed without seat-belts to make sure that you die when you hit something. You can still trust the car to keep you safe since it won't start for some reason.

"EU won't suspend data sharing accords with U.S." (4, Informative)

dcollins (135727) | about 8 months ago | (#45539647)

That's the more concise headline today at Reuters -- http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/27/us-eu-us-security-idUSBRE9AQ0F120131127 [reuters.com]

The European Union backed down on Wednesday from threats to suspend agreements granting the United States access to European data, rejecting calls for a tougher stance over alleged U.S. spying.

The move marks an abrupt about-turn for the European Commission, the EU executive, after warnings it issued in July to U.S. officials following revelations that Washington had spied on European citizens and EU institutions.

Cecilia Malmstrom, the EU's commissioner for home affairs, said she had found no proof of U.S. wrongdoing, either in the sharing of flight passenger records or in the tracking of international payments...

Sophie in 't Veld, a Dutch Liberal member of the European Parliament, criticized the Commission's move.

"They are putting diplomatic relations ahead of citizens rights. The Commission is being extremely timid to the Americans," she told Reuters.

"They have done an investigation and concluded that everything is hunky dory. This is not serious," she said, adding that taking the United States at its word was naive.

Re:"EU won't suspend data sharing accords with U.S (2)

bob_super (3391281) | about 8 months ago | (#45539811)

If the EU had at least the same size balls as Brazil, they would demand reciprocity.
Let's see how long the Americans would tolerate their data being "safely shared" with Europe's governments.

What? A storm during thanksgiving? Snow at Christmas! Playoffs? The superbowl !!!!! (5, for insanity)
What was the topic again, Obamacare?

Re:"EU won't suspend data sharing accords with U.S (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539819)

move along citizen

Re:"EU won't suspend data sharing accords with U.S (5, Insightful)

neo-mkrey (948389) | about 8 months ago | (#45540377)

So the EU rolls overs and is a good bitch for the US again? Pathetic! I don't know what is worse, the fact the US has no morals, or the fact the EU has no balls?

Re:"EU won't suspend data sharing accords with U.S (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45548495)

Note that it is the European (non-elected) Commission that is the problem here.

The (elected) Parliament wants to do the right thing, but the appointed Commission (mainly consisting of fat-cat, non-elected professional politicians) does not.

In case there is any doubt: I loathe the Commission.

It's just as corrupt as the US administration is, and seems hell-bent on making the worst decision at every step. Exact same kind of people, that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a position of power, for the sake of everyone else.

Meh.

Re:"EU won't suspend data sharing accords with U.S (2)

Carewolf (581105) | about 8 months ago | (#45540727)

The European Union backed down on Wednesday from threats to suspend agreements granting the United States access to European data, rejecting calls for a tougher stance over alleged U.S. spying

Alleged? What part of the official U.S. policy and actions they have admitted to, apologized for but vowed to continue, is alleged?

That is not a neutral story. I wouldn't trust it.

Humans not citizens (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539665)

The EC notes that spying on its citizens, companies, and leaders is unacceptable; and that citizens of U.S. and EU need to be reassured about protection of their data

Either you don't spy on everybody or don't even bother making a statement. Humans are humans whether citizens of your country or not. As long as you make a distinction between your own citizens and others you generate ill will towards yourselves, which creates enemies, which forces you to get defensive.

Your forefathers made proclomations about Human Rights, not citizen rights. Listen to them, they had the right idea, do the right thing and treat all humans equally.

Re:Humans not citizens (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45540653)

As with so many other rights they have been corrupted by "redefining" the English language and common sense over time. Take patents, it is right in Clause 8 of the constitution "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." "Authors & Inventors" has been expanded massively to include investors, corporations, assignees, inheritors, etc. SCOTUS has bold face said that "limited Times" is defined as "infinity -1". And I don't think they even pay attention to the "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts" anymore.

This will be swept under the rug (1)

arcite (661011) | about 8 months ago | (#45539671)

When the NSA offers to sell the EU the technology at reduced prices. :)

They'll just continue spying anyway (3, Interesting)

2phar (137027) | about 8 months ago | (#45539677)

When we have flaps like this that occur, you know, something will change, and I expect we'll get some sort of announcement that will - that the Europeans can point to as a curtailment and as a change. But as time goes by, flaps blow over, and the permanent interests of ourselves and our allies reassert themselves.

Paul Pillar, 28-year veteran of the CIA [wbur.org]

Screw the EU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539723)

Their member countries do just as much, if not more, than the US and other countries have done.

Re:Screw the EU (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 8 months ago | (#45539895)

Of course there are surveillance plans running in EU also, but not necessarily anything as massive and intrusive that NSA is conducting.

Re:Screw the EU (1)

cpghost (719344) | about 8 months ago | (#45540545)

Of course there are surveillance plans running in EU also, but not necessarily anything as massive and intrusive that NSA is conducting.

Who knows? At least CGHQ has been doing some pretty heavy surveillance [theguardian.com] and spying on an international level too in recent years. Never underestimate the capacity of a government hellbent on eavesdropping everything that is being sent down the wire.

Re:Screw the EU (1)

Teun (17872) | about 8 months ago | (#45541021)

Some EU member countries are bad, no discussion necessary.

Here we're talking about the EU and they have two branches of government, the commission that backed down and the parliament that wants stronger action.

The EU commission is made up of lackeys of the member countries, the EU parliament is very much 'of the people' and they have to share power.
Give it some time and we'll see who wins, the establishment in the countries or the people of the EU.

This is one of the reasons I am very much pro-EU unity.

What Would Restore My Faith (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539747)

My faith in US-EU data flows would be restored if we changed the underlying protocols of the Internet to require that everything be fully encrypted all the time with the purpose of allowing companies to just shrug their shoulders and say that they were sorry but it's simply not possible to tell who sent any particular packet or what its final destination is.

It also would be nice if Alexander and Clapper were charged with perjury for lying to the faces of our representatives, and it would be even nicer if the NSA, whose business is now almost entirely comprised of funneling billions of dollars of taxpayer money to good-ol-boy outsourced IT departments and equipment manufacturers and has nothing to do with decrypting enemy communications in wartime, were abolished entirely.

Waste of time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539817)

At best, this is an academic exercise with no practical consequences.

The NSA will simply say: "This doesn't align with our needs", and that will be the end of it.

The NSA has demonstrated that it can operate in secrecy, with unchecked power. The harrumphings of some European committee will have no effect on this fact.

Re: Waste of time (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45541333)

Can operate with secrecy: i assume your definition of "secrecy" include being front page of every decent newspaper?

Europe has battered wife syndrom (2)

Nyder (754090) | about 8 months ago | (#45539841)

"The USA isn't always like that, only when I do something wrong. I love the USA, I could never stop being it's partner." - EU

Re:Europe has battered wife syndrom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45540963)

I read that as 'wait your going to turn off that juicy data you have been feeding us'.

That is what this is. NSA said 'oh ok you dont like it lets turn off the lights'.

This is more 'wait a second we really did like that data but want to look good getting it'...

One Step (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539893)

1. Trust No One

That's it. Cryptography has always and will always run on jungle rules.
Either you break it and get the cleartext, or you can't break it and you don't get the cleartext.
There is no middle ground. They can read your messages and spy on you or they can't.
If your "allies" can read your messages, they will. Full stop.

Re:One Step (1)

cpghost (719344) | about 8 months ago | (#45540665)

How do you prevent traffic analysis [wikipedia.org] by using end-to-end encryption (only)? We need more than just encryption, we also need to hide the traffic somehow using obfuscating routing algorithms [wikipedia.org] on a very wide scale. Ideally, everyone should participate in this activity, but that will remain a pipe dream of privacy advocates.

What's wrong with cutting the wire? (1)

erroneus (253617) | about 8 months ago | (#45539961)

Seriously? We just don't need to share that much information. There's no "reform" unless the US stops breaking ITS OWN LAWS. That's where reform starts.

As much as I would hate an even "worse" US life, I think it'd be for the best that the way government here is doing business ceases to be profitable.

Re:What's wrong with cutting the wire? (1)

cpghost (719344) | about 8 months ago | (#45540447)

There's no "reform" unless the US stops breaking ITS OWN LAWS.

Even if the US abode by its own laws, spying on foreigners, including EU Citizens, would still be allowed, under those laws. Changing laws to include EU Citizens in the list of persons not to be spied upon would be a confidence building measure... but we all know that the US won't stop snooping in Europe. There are way too many juicy trade secrets there to steal, so a no-spy rule w.r.t. Europe won't make it through Congress.

Re:What's wrong with cutting the wire? (1)

erroneus (253617) | about 8 months ago | (#45540863)

The US constitution is a limit of what government can do. Not just a limit on what the government can do to people living in the US. The very idea that it only applies to the people of the US is a twist of interpretation. The constitution is how this government should behave MORALLY. If it's immoral to do it in the US, it's still immoral to do it to other people.

Re:What's wrong with cutting the wire? (2)

newcastlejon (1483695) | about 8 months ago | (#45543723)

The US constitution is a limit of what government can do.

Evidently not.

Re:What's wrong with cutting the wire? (1)

thrich81 (1357561) | about 8 months ago | (#45542705)

According to the WikiLeaks/Manning revelations, the French are the worst industrial spies in Europe. "France is the country that conducts the most industrial espionage on other European countries, even ahead of China and Russia, according to leaked U.S. diplomatic cables, reported in a translation by Agence France Presse of Norwegian daily Aftenposten's reporting."
Another quote, "In October, 2009, Berry Smutny, the head of German satellite company OHB Technology, is quoted in the diplomatic note as saying: "France is the Empire of Evil in terms of technology theft, and Germany knows it.""
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wikileaks-france-leads-russia-china-in-industrial-spying-in-europe/ [cbsnews.com]

Re:What's wrong with cutting the wire? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 8 months ago | (#45541023)

There is no penalty for the NSA to break our own US laws, and all the EU-US treaties or US-Canada treaties signed.

Everyone knows that, especially those of us who have worked in the belly of the beast.

No penalty - none. Nobody is going to jail for breaking the law, except those who tell the truth.

Step One: Destroy the NSA Data Center in Utah (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45539997)

Preferably by a drone strike. US can't collect data if it has nowhere to store it.

Re:Step One: Destroy the NSA Data Center in Utah (1)

cpghost (719344) | about 8 months ago | (#45540619)

Even without Utah, the NSA can still access all data at Google, Facebook, Yahoo!, Amazon, SWIFT, et al. data centers through back doors. There should be no need to mirror all this at their own facilities. NSA's data centers will collect the remaining scraps, like phone calls, metadata etc, and for this, they don't need Utah, they have enough capacity of their own already. Utah is for future growth, but that's another story.

Re: Step One: Destroy the NSA Data Center in Utah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45541577)

Well, don't give ideas to people who might actually go ahead and destroy the transatlantic/transpacific cable endpoints on land.

It would make my net slower!

Simple enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45540011)

If this is not resolved, a standard recommendation in European companies' security meetings will be "do not store any business data on servers located in USA".

Re:Simple enough (1)

Cederic (9623) | about 8 months ago | (#45547543)

"will be" ? Already is.

opportunist windbags (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45540269)

From the same people who brought you "the right to be forgotten" and "mandatory data retention," comes more arrogant commerce-grounded posturing.

Keeping the data outside the US makes it easier to spy on, not harder.

The "flow of data" model is trade protectionism without any clear threat model.

The massive privacy holocaust of our era---jailed phone operating systems with forceful permissions bargaining, unclearable cookie-replacements trackable across apps, ubiquitous location tracking and contacts-snarfing, and an evolved market of "apps" built around monetizing the direct trade of personal information, not ads---seems mostly off their radar while they throw sneering pebbles at the biggest US companies they can find.

IMVHO US big data companies would benefit from regulation, but I see no one around to regulate them in a competent and sophisticated enough way to do further good. EU regulators have accomplished only ridiculous things: they've cut down on "newsletters" from web merchants and plastered absurd, meaaningless cookie banners over every web site. They don't seem to have the competence, the will, or the mandate to do any better. By comparison, the FTC has been quietly much more productive: their December 2009 consent decree on Facebook and the March 2011 Google Buzz consent decree have made meaningful, lasting changes in the privacy UI's at both companies, targeting both user-visible and user-invisible assaults, and creating departments and auditing regimes within the companies to make the changes lasting and sincerely-intended instead of just EU-style wallpaper.

And, if you consider technical security rather than UI design and product-manager-type decisions, the tools top US companies implement to defend against insider threats from Chinese and American spies go way beyond anything the EU could hope to enforce, and also beyond anything a smaller company would be capable of.

These guys are worse than nothing, TBQH. And I've always felt half of it is sort of racist: a bunch of European sad teddy bears who have accomplished very little themselves trying to be relevant by regulating.

For the US/NSA trust is a one way street (4, Insightful)

schwit1 (797399) | about 8 months ago | (#45540669)

The EU tried going the trust route and it got burned. This situation is indicative of the scorpion and the frog [wikipedia.org] .

Two Easy Steps : (1)

jxander (2605655) | about 8 months ago | (#45540707)

Step 1 : Dismantle the NSA, and file criminal charges against their leadership.

Step 2 : There is no step 2.

Re:Two Easy Steps : (1)

cpghost (719344) | about 8 months ago | (#45540833)

You must be new here. There, fixed that for you:

Step 1: Dismantle the NSA...
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

Re:Two Easy Steps : (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 8 months ago | (#45540999)

Step 1 : Dismantle the NSA, and file criminal charges against their leadership.

Step 2 : There is no step 2.

Step 4. Profit from selling EU private data to US corporations!

Re:Two Easy Steps : (1)

scotts13 (1371443) | about 8 months ago | (#45542063)

Step 1 : Dismantle the NSA, and file criminal charges against their leadership.

Step 2 : There is no step 2.

Sure there is, and more. Restoring trust at this point would entail the above, plus destroying the office facilities, computers, equipment, and network infrastructure used by the NSA. Followed by a decade or two of unlimited access and inspection of any similar government assets by a neutral outside party. Then, maybe, someone will trust USA, data, and security in the same sentence.

Those "accidental" undersea cable breakages? (1)

whoever57 (658626) | about 8 months ago | (#45540967)

Remember how undersea cables kept getting broken by anchors? Was the NSA behind this? It could happen in at least 2 ways:
1. Break the cable, the repairer installs interception device.
2. Break the cable, tell the operator that breaks will keep happening unless the operator allows access to its network.

I would never trust EU-US data flows (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 8 months ago | (#45540977)

I for one would never trust EU-US data flows - the US side will always ignore any treaties about privacy and steal the personal information of EU citizens.

Always.

Without question.

This is why the US is 31st in download speeds - we reward insanity.

European here. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45541383)

The Commission isn't speaking for me. I hate this corrupt bunch. It makes me sad, because basically, I'm pro-EU.

correction (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about 8 months ago | (#45541931)

Restore the (mistaken) /belief/ that you can trust the US.
I.o.w.get some sense of naievete back.

I fear that's gonna be a cinch. Apathy has been a high
demand US export item for longer than just the past year.

Reassure me all you goddamn want (2)

weilawei (897823) | about 8 months ago | (#45543073)

But following that up by saying you want to protect existing agreements seems to imply to me: We're going to keep spying on you and blackmailing you, but we're going to hide it better, promise!

Same shit, different day.

Punish the guilty (1)

SoftwareArtist (1472499) | about 8 months ago | (#45544385)

It's great they're talking about reforms to prevent this happening again, but there's one critical element no one is talking about: prosecuting people for the crimes they already committed. The NSA has been breaking laws on a massive scale all over the world, but there hasn't been one single prosecution of anyone for any of them. Until they see the law applies to them too, they'll have no reason to not just keep ignoring it. And then all the reforms in the world will be nothing but paper, things to ignore just like everything else they find inconvenient.

So who will be prosecuted? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45547717)

Nobody. Not the NSA guy who *lied* to Congress (a huge, serious crime). Not any of the other liars. I think they'll even let Snowden slip quietly away rather than risk awakening the public to the REAL issue by having a highly-publicized trial.

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