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Microsoft May Finally Put Windows RT Out To Pasture

Soulskill posted about 8 months ago | from the we've-reached-peak-donotwant dept.

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onyxruby writes "Microsoft may finally be ready to put Windows RT out to pasture. After ignoring pundits, the public, and a staggering $900 writedown, the subsequent lack of sales for the second edition of the RT have finally gotten the message through. Speaking at a UBS seminar, Microsoft VP Julie Larson-Green said, 'It just didn't do everything that you expected Windows to do. So there's been a lot of talk about it should have been a rebranding. We should not have called it Windows (.DOCX). How should we have made it more differentiated? I think over time you'll see us continue to differentiate it more. We have the Windows Phone OS. We have Windows RT and we have full Windows. We're not going to have three.'"

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900 bucks (5, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | about 8 months ago | (#45544037)

wow, only $900 to write that stuff off? I would have cut them a check years ago to enable that

Re:900 bucks (-1)

cpotoso (606303) | about 8 months ago | (#45544043)

Mod parent up! LOL

Re:900 bucks (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 8 months ago | (#45544059)

who'd have thunk it, the editors came alive today and corrected the amount, and probably went back to their resting place

Re:900 bucks (4, Informative)

blue trane (110704) | about 8 months ago | (#45544111)

What are you talking about? It still says "$900 writedown".

Re:900 bucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544279)

What are you talking about? It still says "$900 writedown".

The editors also corrected his post.

Re:900 bucks (5, Informative)

rubycodez (864176) | about 8 months ago | (#45544295)

tech.slashdot.org still has the $900, hardware.slashdot.org story has the $900M

Dropping the Cosbys Off At The White House (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544307)

I hate when you take a great big shit and it's this 16 to 20 inch log (that part is cool) and you go to flush it and it bends in half and clogs the fucking toilet. That's a real bummer. Not what you want to deal with in the morning when you gotta hurry up and get to work! Shoulda shit in their work toilets but I just didn't wanna hold it.

Re:Dropping the Cosbys Off At The White House (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544699)

While this may be an apt analogy for Microsoft's RT development process, and might clarify one of their motivations, I don't think it's really a complete answer.

Re:900 bucks (1)

sconeu (64226) | about 8 months ago | (#45544051)

Damn it, you beat me to it!!!

Re:900 bucks (-1, Troll)

redmid17 (1217076) | about 8 months ago | (#45544071)

From what I can tell, the entire project, from development to planning to marketing, was outsourced overseas. Can't have been much more than that, given the quality. Lest anyone thing that a backhand, racist statement, it's not. Idiotic decisions and crappy development can be done anywhere. They just cost more (see Obamacare).

Re:900 bucks (-1, Redundant)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 8 months ago | (#45544215)

The link goes to a summary that says $900 million. It was a simple typo. Good luck on your next round of RTFA Roulette!

Re:900 bucks (0)

redmid17 (1217076) | about 8 months ago | (#45544277)

You can't really be that stupid can you?
Do you actually think anyone on Slashdot would really think that the entire project cost $900?
FFS the OP is modded funny.

Re:900 bucks (0, Offtopic)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 8 months ago | (#45544311)

I'm not; you're just that unfunny, as evidenced by the moderation on your post. Sorry, champ.

Re:900 bucks (0)

redmid17 (1217076) | about 8 months ago | (#45544577)

An appeal to popularity isn't helping your argument much. I guess I should have just said "WHOOSH" like the guy below me.

It sure is (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544705)

An appeal to popularity isn't helping your argument much

Really? It isn't helping? Well I modded you down for being an asshole troll. LEAVE SAMANTHA ALONE!

Re:900 bucks (1)

redmid17 (1217076) | about 8 months ago | (#45544763)

Also there's a difference between being unfunny and stupid enough to think that I didn't read the article

Re:900 bucks (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 8 months ago | (#45544787)

Do you actually think anyone on Slashdot would really think that the entire project cost $900?

I could see it as a per-machine cost.

Re:900 bucks (2)

404 Clue Not Found (763556) | about 8 months ago | (#45544313)

Man, all these mod points. Where's the "-1 Whoosh" modifier when you need it?

Re:900 bucks (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about 8 months ago | (#45544601)

Rest assured, I thought it was hilarious. But, sadly, it really was just a typo and Microsoft does not really outsource all of their programming. (What would they do with all the H1Bs that they keep lobbying for?)

Re:900 bucks (1, Troll)

causality (777677) | about 8 months ago | (#45544463)

Lest anyone thing that a backhand, racist statement, it's not.

Please reconsider doing this. The infantile, emotionally reactive, spiteful imbeciles who would make serious accusations against your character while feeling no real burden of proof don't deserve this sort of concession or accommodation. It validates them and lets them know they have influence; they deserve neither. Let them live their miserable lives of vocal desperation. Let their appetite for someone else to be "wrong" so they can feel superior for a whole moment be starved. They were never interested in constructive criticism, but not feeding them this way is a constructive act you can perform for them.

Besides, these days absolutely everything and anything can be branded "racist". Soon the word will have no meaning and everyone will be so used to hearing it thrown around that it will gather no attention at all. Right now it's about halfway there. It once meant a belief that one group of people is genetically and inherently superior to another group, some time ago. Now it means "I don't like what that guy says but I lack the sophistication, intelligence, and patience to be an individual who can explain what is wrong with, it so I'd rather act like a spoiled child and focus on group identity".

It's a shame that real instances of actual injustice that deserve to become known are probably getting lost in the noise produced by misuse of this epithet. Anyway, I respectfully urge you to reconsider catering to a bunch of puerile, broken individuals in the hope that they may yet reach emotional adulthood.

Re:900 bucks (0)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about 8 months ago | (#45544713)

Here are some true stories of things I've done:

Two weeks ago my Persian friend asked me if I knew of any schools that can teach him to be a pilot in a short period of time. I told him that if there were, they'd be nervous about having an Arab as a student.

A few months before that my Indian (as in from India) friend had to move out of his house, and asked if he could stay at my place for a while until he finds a permanent residence. I told him sure, there are lots of Indian reservations around here (Phoenix.)

Am I a racist?

Re:900 bucks (5, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#45544321)

wow, only $900 to write that stuff off?

The $900 was computed in Excel RT, so it must be correct.

Nine hundred dollars?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544039)

Whoa, you could almost buy a single tablet for 900$. I am truly staggered by the staggering size of that writedown.

$900, so staggering! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544053)

Microsoft is poorer than I thought

$900 Writedown (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544055)

That's pretty much what happened to every consumer that bought a Windows RT device.

Re:$900 Writedown (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544187)

All 3 of them?

Surface 2? (1)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about 8 months ago | (#45544063)

Seems trhey are giving up on that too.

Re:Surface 2? (5, Funny)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | about 8 months ago | (#45544243)

I'm sure they'll call the next model the Surface One to avoid any confusion.

Re:Surface 2? (5, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 8 months ago | (#45544509)

I'm sure they'll call the next model the Surface One to avoid any confusion.

My sources within Microsoft tell me the higher-ups have finally learned their lesson regarding making it hard for consumers to differentiate between their products.

According to them, the third iteration of the tablet will be called Playstation 5.

Re:Surface 2? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544759)

5 is right out!

Re:Surface 2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544733)

The Surface 360?

$900 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544065)

well it's more than I make in a day

Shooting Itself in the Foot (5, Insightful)

Stormy Dragon (800799) | about 8 months ago | (#45544103)

Microsoft has developed a habit of killing every new product the second it runs into a little difficulty, and now wonders why consumers don't want to risk their money on new Microsoft products that will probably be dead in a year.

Re:Shooting Itself in the Foot (-1)

rtb61 (674572) | about 8 months ago | (#45544173)

More accurately Ballmer takes a drink or two too many, sees what other companies are doing and sends out a memo demanding M$ copies it, without even checking what the companies are actually doing ie Apple sees it gullible market decides they have more money to spend and starts selling them tablets, not because they need tablets but because Apple Management knows Apple customers will buy them as toys and electronic bling. M$ as directed by Ballmer tries to what, I don't know just like they don't know and fails miserably because the market they fantasised about doesn't actually exist.

Re:Shooting Itself in the Foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544213)

Man your life must be pretty pathetic to be so jealous of Apple. Oh and tons of people who buy iPads had never bought an Apple product before that.

Re:Shooting Itself in the Foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544185)

Jeez, even the Zune lasted longer.

Re:Shooting Itself in the Foot (5, Insightful)

snookerdoodle (123851) | about 8 months ago | (#45544271)

I don't think this has anything to do with consumers risking money on new products. This is a case of Really Bad Branding. Many consumers are not even aware that their new Windows tablet won't run Windows applications (if it's Windows RT). Not only so, but deciphering whether a tablet had "Real" Windows or Windows RT isn't always clear when looking at products even if you do know the difference.

I also don't think there's room for a "me too" tablet OS that has nothing compelling over iOS or Android.

OTOH, I really think Microsoft should be tooting their horns a little louder about tablets running real Windows 8.1 that can run any Windows application.

Re:Shooting Itself in the Foot (4, Insightful)

Algae_94 (2017070) | about 8 months ago | (#45544589)

OTOH, I really think Microsoft should be tooting their horns a little louder about tablets running real Windows 8.1 that can run any Windows application.

I agree with you. Microsoft probably shouldn't have set their new OS up to be primarily about the metro interface. It's clear that they want to replace as many Windows applications as they can with modern UI applications. Any use case that isn't 100% modern, or 100% desktop has a bad interface for people to switch between.

Re:Shooting Itself in the Foot (5, Interesting)

0123456 (636235) | about 8 months ago | (#45544649)

And Metro sucks on anything other than a phone.

As far as I can see, the whole push for Metro was to try to convince people to develop apps for Windows phones, becuase there was no point in developing for a tiny market like that. Now, they've screwed their desktop users to try to get into the tablet and phone market, and they're dumping tablets.

Re: Shooting Itself in the Foot (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about 8 months ago | (#45544661)

They have such a bad wrap now from screwing up win 8 that just mentioning win 8 is installed is enough to send most people screaming from the stores. Botched RT, write off on surface, terrible reviews, no apps, screwing over desktop users and the list goes on. 8.1 isn't much better and only served to mock users that wanted a proper start menu back in the OS. The horn they'd be tooting would be more like a badly tuned kazoo.

Re: Shooting Itself in the Foot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544579)

$1 billion write off and they are still rolling like nothing happened, back in the real world such a hit would sink any other company.

Problem is more fundamental to RT (4, Interesting)

Junta (36770) | about 8 months ago | (#45544755)

RT couldn't find a value proposition that created a market just like windows phone is struggling. Windows without legacy compatibility is just not attractive (live by the sword, die by the sword: windows on x86 has gobs of compatible software, windows on arm has next to nothing compared to google and apple devices).

The initial hard *need* for RT would be that Intel couldn't/wouldn't release an architecture that would even get in the same ballpark as ARM manufacturers in terms of cost and power. Now that need is greatly reduced with Intel's Bay Trail platform. Windows 8 x86 tablets are in the same ballpark as the Nexus 7. There are certainly cheaper android devices more and more, but Intel and MS could elect to participate at those price points if they want to at this point and still turn a profit.

Quote: (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#45544127)

Mooooooooo

Marketing in too much of a hurry (1)

kaalon (2861517) | about 8 months ago | (#45544149)

Re-brand? What was the hurry to get the ARM version out for if there was problems with the Microsoft apps on the platform?

What microsoft SHOULD have done... (5, Insightful)

jonwil (467024) | about 8 months ago | (#45544157)

What microsoft SHOULD have done is what Google and Apple did and basically made "Windows Tablet" based on the Windows Phone OS. So they would have had x86 machines running Windows 8 with a normal desktop OS (possibly with a few enhancements to make it run better on x86 tablets) then ARM devices (phone and tablet) running the Windows Phone codebase and supporting the Windows Phone interface and apps.

Re:What microsoft SHOULD have done... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544181)

agread

Re:What microsoft SHOULD have done... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544251)

What interests me is that now we're seeing these Atom-based tablets that offer comparable battery life and performance to the ARM versions, and yet they are running "full" Windows with the same touch interface. It might work to Microsoft's advantage to ditch ARM completely and run the same OS on all devices. I don't know if x86 mobile phones could become a thing, but why not?

If they hadn't locked it down... (1)

Myria (562655) | about 8 months ago | (#45544619)

If they hadn't locked it down, Windows RT could have just been another target to which developers could recompiled their software and that would have kick-started the application ecosystem somewhat. It would have been with desktop applications, though, which Microsoft considers deprecated. Desktop applications also don't work with touch control very well and more importantly don't make Microsoft any money.

It seems as well that Microsoft wanted the locked-down environment to prevent Windows RT from having viruses, an inevitable side effect of open development. Many more people bought the virus-laden Surface Pro than the Surface RT, so maybe people like their viruses =)

But that wouldn't have had the leverage (1)

localroger (258128) | about 8 months ago | (#45544707)

...of using their desktop monopoly to strongarm their way into the mobile market.

Missing the goal... (1)

Junta (36770) | about 8 months ago | (#45544827)

Windows Phone OS had been released in the hopes of getting to rough parity in the market with Android and Apple. MS had to start from scratch due to both form factor driving UI redesign and also because no x86 vendor was remotely ready to enable such a thing. After having a late start and nothing really to distinguish themselves from apple and google apart from having a smaller application library, things look dire.

The whole point of Metro was essentially to 'throw the desktop users under the bus' so to speak. MS had learned already (Vista) that MS laptop/desktop customers are very much *stuck* with them and the risk of dramatic change to their share is negligible. So they needed to try to move developers to a model that would get them closer to the windows phone platform, hence metro.

Of course the RT situation was always questionable. An x86 based solution could do a strict superset of the RT based devices, and AMD at least was desperate enough to give the right pricing (and Intel felt the pressure enough to deliver viable solutions in time as well). WIndows value proposition is the ability to run existing x86 Windows applications. Without that, there is nothing really to recommend it over other platforms.

Windows RT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544171)

Should have be Windows Phone OS anyways. This would have allows all the windows phone apps to work (With little modification) and would have allowed for 4g version of the device as well.

Re: Windows RT (1)

Myria (562655) | about 8 months ago | (#45544539)

Was it because of the OS that the Surface did not have cell data support???

Try not to fuck up the product in the first place! (2, Insightful)

Lisias (447563) | about 8 months ago | (#45544177)

Windows RT was a failure because no geek (the ones that would be the early adopters that, then, would pull another users to the platform) would spend money on something that doesn't allow dual boot!

Common, by the price you could get a ARM Notebook totally (and relentlessly) locked down to Windows RT, you could get instead a x86 netbook where you can install, also, Linux and its plethora of applications - that aren't the best thing in the World sometimes, but are far better than the Windows RT alternatives (not a surprise, as very few Microsoft developers manage to build *real* multiplatform applications! - remember the time when a Microsoft "multiplatform application" was a program that used to run on Windows 95, 98 ME and NT?)

The tablet niche was already taken, and the x86 niche wasn't threatened by a (yet more locked down) RT system whose only selling point was being capable to stay lit for more time without having anything to run.

Re:Try not to fuck up the product in the first pla (5, Informative)

bloodhawk (813939) | about 8 months ago | (#45544199)

BS, dual boot is a minor feature that very few would use and would be a blip on the radar as far as sales go. The killer was the lack of apps, the locked down nature of the installed OS combined with general confusion.

General confusion is #1. (4, Insightful)

aussersterne (212916) | about 8 months ago | (#45544287)

What is a surface?
Is it a tablet?
A laptop?
Is it highly mobile (well sort of, but not like iPad)
Really lightweight and fast (well sort of, but not like iPad)
Powerful for stationary work (well sort of, but not like a laptop)
Easy to carry (well sort of, but not like an iPad)
Heavy, substantial, and durable (well sort of, but not like a laptop)

People do two things:

(1) Use technology for work or play at their desk
(2) Use technology for work or play not at their desk

Two basic use cases. Just two, at the very bottom of things. In case (1) you go all-out on hardware and power; don't make them sit longer than they have to, let them get their work DONE! (Power, power, power, some ease of use, no compromises.) (2) you go all-out on not making them feel like they need to return to their desk; give them what they need to do what they need to do without feeling tethered (Mobility, mobility, mobility, touch-friendliness, battery, no compromises).

Two basic use cases and Microsoft managed to not hit either one of them well.

Re:Try not to fuck up the product in the first pla (3, Funny)

ganjadude (952775) | about 8 months ago | (#45544255)

Pretty much this. I am still telling my friends when they ask about tablets if they want something that can run full apps like they are used to, get the surface pro if money is no object but OTOH for the budget minded im referring them to mainly the nexus line of tablets for trivial use (entertainment)

I love the surface pro system, my buddy picked one of the first ones up from a 3rd party its got an I5 in it and it was awesome, he can even play full framerate games on his going and he has a dual boot with a full out linix distro (he changes it every other week it seems) but if the cost were a little bit lower on the surface pro lines, even the 3rd party ones from the likes of dell and others they would have a killer tablet i mean just the spec sheet should be selling a shit ton of them

can run pretty much any windows app ever made in the past 20 years, light weight good bat life and yes, expansion via SD cards and USB. Me? Im still using a kindle fire running cyanogenmod but im going to upgrade in the next month or 2 (i really want a 10 inch tablet)

Re:Try not to fuck up the product in the first pla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544823)

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man!

Re:Try not to fuck up the product in the first pla (5, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | about 8 months ago | (#45544285)

Nonsense.

The problem was simple and obvious. It was called "Windows", but when Joe Schmoe tried to install a windows application on it, it wouldn't run.

The "geek" market isn't even a statistical blip on the radar of market share nowadays.

Hey Soulskill (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544209)

This is an example of where the summary should be corrected after the fact, with an "Update" notice to acknowledge the many who gleefully pounced on the error.

In general, I think simple typos like this one (as opposed to misunderstandings or intentionally one-sided summaries by the submitter) should be corrected even after they've been posted. It just looks less goofy.

Branding matters, both for consumers and for (5, Insightful)

aussersterne (212916) | about 8 months ago | (#45544229)

project management.

The product is called "Windows." Windows are static things. They are embedded into walls. They provide an unmoving portal into another space.

A monitor on your desktop behaves like a window in some sense. It is always in the same place. You sit and you look at it.

Windows Phone and Windows RT just don't make sense for mobile devices, and provide a kind of complacency to project vision and the wrong idea (unpalatable) to consumers looking for mobile devices.

MS should call the mobile product something mobile:

MS Pathways
MS Journeys
MS Passages
MS Ways
MS Compass
MS Latitude

Then they should focus relentlessly on small-screen/long-battery/mobile UX for the mobile system; design toward the lightweight, mobile ethos of the new name, and market it relentlessly not as "the same as windows" but in fact as exactly different from it.

MS Windows in your office
MS Compass for going places
"Because you're not always sitting still.
"Busy people do more than sit by Windows."

I'm not saying that the marketing is the product; we all know that's ridiculous and leads exactly to a product fail (mismatched expectations vs. reality). I'm saying that if MS was as marketing-led as they ought to have been, they'd do the field research to know what mobile users need (field research they clearly haven't done well) and target the product to those needs, as well as the marketing campaign.

Who needs Windows in their pocket on the street? Nobody. Windows belong inside walls.

Same thing goes for the hardware product. "Surface?" Sounds static and architectural. The opposite of mobility. You can see that they themselves imagined the product this way based on what was shipped out the door. Come up with something lightweight and mobile.

The Microsoft Dispatch.
The Microsoft Portfolio.
The Microsoft Movement (tablet) and Microsoft Velocity (phone).

These are not great ideas yet, but they're light years ahead of "Windows" and "Surface" for a mobile device that ends up acting just like a "Window" or a "Surface."

Re:Branding matters, both for consumers and for (5, Funny)

SB9876 (723368) | about 8 months ago | (#45544261)

Congrats, I think you've come up with more solid ideas than the MS marketing department has in the last 5 years.

Re:Branding matters, both for consumers and for (5, Funny)

ganjadude (952775) | about 8 months ago | (#45544597)

ok ill bite, what did they do 6 years ago that was solid? ;)

Re:Branding matters, both for consumers and for (1)

David_Hart (1184661) | about 8 months ago | (#45544851)

ok ill bite, what did they do 6 years ago that was solid? ;)

Vista... oh, wait....

Re:Branding matters, both for consumers and for (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544303)

Meanwhile, Surface RT should be rebranded as Windows Road Took.

Re:Branding matters, both for consumers and for (4, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 8 months ago | (#45544537)

Given how poorly sales of RT have gone, I think a better name would be Windows The Road Less Travelled.

Re:Branding matters, both for consumers and for (3, Funny)

gbrandt (113294) | about 8 months ago | (#45544353)

Microsoft Movement...for when you want the same shit you had last year.

There is a bit more to it (1)

janoc (699997) | about 8 months ago | (#45544785)

Microsoft seems to operate using a very simple scheme whenever they encounter a market they are not familiar with:
1) Deny it, ignore it
2) Belittle it
3) OK, 1) and 2) don't seem to work, let's turn it into what we know already - PC! With some creative branding the customer won't see a difference!

This is going on for decades already. Basically, they are trying to turn everything into the only thing they know, where they have a strong market position and what they could leverage to conquer that market for themselves. That is PC and DOS/Windows. They don't really have a profitable market share elsewhere.

Good example of this was the Sun's NetPC (basically thin clients) vs Microsoft's Network PC (regular Windows PC booting over the network - no advantages of the NetPC, but all the disadvantages of the Windows PC), XBox (basically a PC with a proprietary/non-standard hw), PDAs with Windows CE (transplanting a desktop UI on a PDA with a stylus really didn't work too well), tablets with a desktop OS (even Windows RT is regular Windows, just crippled and running on ARM), etc.

Unfortunately, the above strategy worked probably only for the XBox, where it the customer didn't really care and it made development simpler. The rest were/are flops, because people don't want a crappy PC instead of a phone or a tablet. Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't get that, they have an uncanny knack to take exactly the one feature that makes the device actually attractive to the user (usability, speed, battery life, portability, etc.), remove it or completely hose it up, but you do get the "Windows experience" instead! This, when combined with their frequently brain-dead UI implementations designed by someone who has likely never had to use their own products, is a deadly combination for any product.

What am I supposed to do now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544231)

So does this mean that I won't have any support from MS now? I mean, they can't just leave me and the two other people who bought Windows RT devices in the dark, can they? Is that even legal?

Re:What am I supposed to do now? (1)

Your.Master (1088569) | about 8 months ago | (#45544429)

Dude, they stopped selling XP years ago, yet support doesn't end until April 8, 2014.

Julie Larson Green talking about rebranding Windows RT does not mean you are losing support effective immediately.

Re:What am I supposed to do now? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544809)

He was making a joke, Admiral Aspergers.

Re:What am I supposed to do now? (3, Informative)

GigaplexNZ (1233886) | about 8 months ago | (#45544813)

Ask customers of the Zune, music covered by PlaysForSure, the Kin and various other products that I'm sure Microsoft thoroughly supported after abandoning them.

Who are the greater fools? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544237)

Who are the greater fools? The "cool" or the fools who follow them? I think we already knew; but it's always nice to get a confirmation study. Now if you'll excuse me I have some bitchin' gospel rap to listen to on my Zune.

No business continuity with Microsoft (1, Interesting)

ruir (2709173) | about 8 months ago | (#45544247)

Microsoft has a disruptive model of work, and this just shows it. They have no interest whatsoever in giving continuity in the long run to their APIs/products, to sell new ones and new training too. And then there are the failed market of bad products. Newsflash, there isnt a tablet market, it is an iPad market. And then there is a market of subpar, less than 100 euros tablets for iPads wannabes.

Re:No business continuity with Microsoft (2, Interesting)

Algae_94 (2017070) | about 8 months ago | (#45544635)

Newsflash, there isnt a tablet market, it is an iPad market. And then there is a market of subpar, less than 100 euros tablets for iPads wannabes.

Get out of here with this nonsense. Maybe once upon a time this was true, but there are tons of tablets out there that are selling quite well.

hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544249)

"Windows RT is an orphan child that sits between Windows 8 and Windows Phone and is neither fish nor fowl."

Oh it's foul alright...

Re:hmmm (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#45544301)

It's fishy and foul.

Re:hmmm (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 8 months ago | (#45544489)

Windows RT is an orphan child that sits between Windows 8 and Windows Phone and is neither fish nor fowl.

So in other words, it's tuna [wikipedia.org] ?

It served its purpose (0)

roc97007 (608802) | about 8 months ago | (#45544259)

The RT has fixed in consumer minds that ARM isn't the right technology for tablets, Intel is where its at. Surface RT having successfully muddied the waters, it's time to cut the product loose.

Re:It served its purpose (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544465)

Some of these conspiracy theories are so ridiculous.

I pretty much guarantee fewer than 10% of owners of iPads or Samsung Galaxies or, yes, Windows RT tablets, even know that arm processors are a thing, let alone that they are using one.

Why is there this assumption that Microsoft is a hyper-intelligent hive-mind supervillain that never actually makes mistakes, and is also somehow willing to sacrifice itself to save Intel, its best-buddy-forever? It's so contrary to the other common slashdot mentality that Microsoft products are incompetently put-together.

Re:It served its purpose (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 8 months ago | (#45544767)

Oh, I don't think Microsoft thought it through this completely. I think the original idea was to be seen as a player in the ARM marketplace, and when that did not work out, they took what they could get. It was *not* to leverage Windows Phone 8, apparently, as they're two separate APIs that it would take a lot of effort to merge.

A new low (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#45544293)

We should not have called it Windows

Microsoft Floors

Allow me to be the first... (1)

sydsavage (453743) | about 8 months ago | (#45544323)

to post this musical tribute. [sadtrombone.com]

How should we have made it more differentiated? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544335)

"How should we have made it more differentiated?" is the wrong question.

People wanted a fully functioning version of Windows that would run all day on an ARM chip.

Completely doable. But Windows RT completely crippled the OS by removing certain functionality AND by preventing you from installing your own software.

So compare: Fully functional Windows PC at $300 upwards to partly functional Windows tablet that can't run your own software at $600 upwards. It's an obvious choice even at the SAME price point let alone double. Failure. Real shame. I have a Surface RT. It's an excellent tablet, better than an iPad 4 (we own one). But it's not competing against an iPad. It needs to do what a PC can do AND be a tablet. It could have done that (and would have won the market priced the same as an iPad 4 if it could have done that). They prevented it from doing that. And that's why it failed.

Re: How should we have made it more differentiate (1)

Myria (562655) | about 8 months ago | (#45544495)

They should have just left it unlocked, rather than make us jailbreak it by force. By forcing us to jailbreak, they guarantee that commercial applications never get ported to it.

I guess Microsoft didn't care, because they consider the desktop to be deprecated, something they will remove in a future version.

ok next windows 8.2 or 8.1.1 with desktop back (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 8 months ago | (#45544339)

also buy out ModernMix and build it in to the base OS with the full start menu back.

Shame, but saw i coming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544343)

It could have worked, but they simply never put that much behind it in terms of thought.
You could see it coming a mile away.

If they spent some time maybe making a good virtualization layer, it could have maybe worked. (with a warning that if the tablet was in battery mode that virtualization might chew threw the battery more)
Virtualization has come a long way in the recent decade, especially hardware virtualization support.
That way people could have some sense of the programs they used to love.

The ideas behind it were nice too, but it was just lack of software.
Also the fact that they never had good support for mouse and keyboard with the UI.
They could have done some stuff like holding capslock and shift to move frame sizes just by moving the mouse left and right, for example. (may as well use capslock for a hotkey modifier, I already do it since caps is SHIT.)
And take some ideas from the wonderful KDE UI shortcuts and window management, nothing beats KDE for that.
The tiling manager was actually really nice.

If only they kept at it. They could have actually fixed it. Oh well. RIP.

The real reason for RT? (5, Interesting)

Bugler412 (2610815) | about 8 months ago | (#45544355)

I think the real reason for RT was to spur Intel to get better power consumption on their chipsets for the real version of Windows, seems to have met that goal if you view it that way

$billion brand embarrassment an expensive method (2, Insightful)

raymorris (2726007) | about 8 months ago | (#45544583)

blowing a billion dollars making your brand look like shit is an expensive way to motivate in Intel. And rumors would have done that.

Who needs RT when you have BayTrail? (1)

dicobalt (1536225) | about 8 months ago | (#45544359)

RT isn't for phones, it's for tablets and above. Might as well use a real CPU in devices like that. Now I am going to run away from all the angry ARM guys who think custom configured OS software for each specific device is a good idea. People who think that being able to install a driver by hitting next next next is not important. People who believe that device companies should control what version OS you use and when it can be updated. That's ARM.

didn't learn from Windows CE? Windows Mobile? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544379)

shoulda could woulda doesn't cut it and now you're just giving excuses for why nobody wanted your product. And because you wanted to market a $149 keyboard add-on with your tablets to get people to think they are laptops, well you got what you dished out.

I still find it amazing that Microsoft continues to try and use hardware differentiation as why someone should buy a Windows Phone(big camera) or Windows tablet(keyboard makes it a laptop). It's as if they know nobody cares about their software and even their Metro tile interface and they are trying very hard to be the hardware company Apple is. Comical failures continue to fall out of their halls.

windoze Rat Trap What more can u ask for? (1)

deysOfBits (2198798) | about 8 months ago | (#45544403)

It kills rats in a million ways There DOS RT Win 3.1 RT Win 95 RT Win 98 Rt and so on This is progress !!!!

scroogled? (1)

Omar Armas (3035933) | about 8 months ago | (#45544415)

Scroogled?

orly? (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 8 months ago | (#45544441)

"It just didn't do everything that you expected Windows to do"
It's almost as if it was written on a completely different processor architecture even! Oh wait...

Then I went to office and redefined productivity.. (1)

bstarrfield (761726) | about 8 months ago | (#45544479)

Julie Larson-Green enhanced productivity? Through the bloody, accursed, and pretty much universally despised Ribbon. Yes, she certainly defined productivity. Millions of office workers totally lost with one of the most convoluted UIs imagined. We're supposed to consider her opinion sacrosanct?

Interesting (4, Interesting)

Horshu (2754893) | about 8 months ago | (#45544501)

This is the first site I've come across that has interprested Larson-Green's presentation to indicate MS is ditching RT. Every other one has assumed that they're just going to merge the WinPhone shell into RT and make Modern UI more scaleable across screen sizes.

No big news here (2, Informative)

Algae_94 (2017070) | about 8 months ago | (#45544525)

This isn't shocking. They had branding problems by calling it Windows. It's near impossible to explain the difference to a non-technical user. The end result is that Microsoft will no longer have any ARM tablets. This will mean, for a little while at least, their tablet hardware will be more expensive and drain batteries faster. Not exactly traits that will have them dominate the tablet market. They might be able to get users that want or need to run Windows applications on a tablet, but that's not a large percentage of the tablet market.

They should have called it a (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544617)

pain

Windows RT is actually pretty useful. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45544817)

I spent my fair share of time attacking Windows RT from a position of no experience and later a position of limited experience with it. Most recently I've spent a few weeks with a Windows RT tablet and it's grown on me.

I'm not sure what people mean when they whine about no apps, except that I must assume they are gamers. I have Netflix and Hulu installed. It has Outlook, Word, Excel, Powerpoint and OneNote. Its base apps allow you to browse the web, read the news, check the weather, play local videos, etc. Apps on the Windows Store will allow you to access streaming music, control your Xbox, monitor your exercise, etc.

Seriously, what the hell more do you want from a tablet?
Shit, at some point why the hell aren't you using a desktop or laptop?

This isn't to say Microsoft hasn't fucked up. They shouldn't have used the Windows name, they should have made a fat fingers-friendlier version of the desktop/windows explorer and they should have done a better job about filtering the damn store. Yes, Windows RT has but a mere fraction of the apps that Android or iOS has, but the worst part of the user experience is just how many shitty apps there are. If Microsoft pared it down, the useful apps would become more apparent.

Microsoft could have made an argument about quality. They missed that boat.

Should not have called it Windows? (1)

hduff (570443) | about 8 months ago | (#45544831)

They should have called it ZuneOS.

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