×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Sailfish Can Officially Be Installed To Android Devices

timothy posted about 5 months ago | from the jolla-good-old-chap dept.

Cellphones 118

jones_supa writes "Talouselämä Magazine met Jolla CEO Tomi Pienimäki and asked a puzzling question. If Jolla truly is compatible with Android devices, is Jolla going to let individual users to install the Sailfish operating system on the Android devices that they already have? Pienimäki answers: 'That is the plan. We are on device business and OS business. It is fairly easy to install the OS on Android devices'. He says that especially in China, changing firmwares is a mainstream thing. About half of the smartphone buyers are upgrading their older or cheaper devices with a better version of Android. Therefore, Jolla's plan is to get some Sailfish installations sneaked in, too."

cancel ×
This is a preview of your comment

No Comment Title Entered

Anonymous Coward 1 minute ago

No Comment Entered

118 comments

LOL!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563495)

Can it be officially installed up my anus?

Re:LOL!!! (4, Funny)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 5 months ago | (#45563531)

Can it be officially installed up my anus?

What are you going to talk out of then?

Re:LOL!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563541)

My ass. It also gives new meaning to butt dialing!!

Re:LOL!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563611)

Well, that depends entirely on whenther or not your anus is an Android device.

Interesting. (4, Interesting)

MrEricSir (398214) | about 5 months ago | (#45563513)

So this means both Sailfish and Ubuntu Phone can be installed on Android devices. This is an interesting development -- perhaps we're moving toward a PC-like standard for phone and tablet hardware?

Re:Interesting. (4, Interesting)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 5 months ago | (#45563575)

perhaps we're moving toward a PC-like standard for phone and tablet hardware?

Well; most Android devices have a bootloader you'll have to hack and void warranty if you do so.... yes!

Re:Interesting. (2)

hydrofix (1253498) | about 5 months ago | (#45563591)

So the next logical step is that someone starts selling Android hardware where you can replace the OS component without voiding the warranty.

Re:Interesting. (5, Informative)

substance2003 (665358) | about 5 months ago | (#45563643)

I believe such a phone already exists.

http://oppostyle.com/find-5/8-find-5-white.html#/capacity-16gb [oppostyle.com]

Re:Interesting. (1)

AvitarX (172628) | about 5 months ago | (#45563743)

Wow, wish I knew about that, probably would of gone with it rather than a Nexus 5.

Priced very competitively, and I'm really missing burst mode from my One S.

Re:Interesting. (2, Funny)

EETech1 (1179269) | about 5 months ago | (#45564701)

If you are using Android, try using "fast burst camera (pro)" I love it, and it works better than my stock camera at taking burst shots.

Everyone always asks how I got such a perfect shot with my camera, I don't tell them I took 50 and went through them all to get just the right one:)

Cheers

Re:Interesting. (3, Interesting)

hydrofix (1253498) | about 5 months ago | (#45563865)

Interesting. It's slightly better hardware [gsmarena.com] than Jolla for €100 less. But at least for now without Sailfish OS, of course.

Re:Interesting. (1)

substance2003 (665358) | about 5 months ago | (#45564617)

I'm not sure a higher resolution, twice the memory and a camera with more than twice the megapixels qualifies as only *slightly* better.
The Jolla does have LTE over the Oppo but that seems to be of small consolation.

Re:Interesting. (1)

Lennie (16154) | about 5 months ago | (#45566727)

Depends on what more memory and higher resolution does with the battery life.

If the Jolla device has twice the battery life, I wouldn't mind paying for that.

Re:Interesting. (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 5 months ago | (#45566367)

From what I heard about this particular model, it has some issues like 3G that doesn't work in some places in EU at all (in addition to having no LTE at all), ROM that comes with it is very buggy (which is the main reason why they update it as much as they advertise it - they kind of have to). And the ROM it comes with is apparently still on 4.1, so you really should get cyanogenmod for it.

So like most of these chinese android phones this one has its issues, that are often not known until someone you know gets one and actually tries it out. Caveat emptor.

Re:Interesting. (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 5 months ago | (#45568343)

ROM that comes with it is very buggy

Oh for fucks sake.

This is Linux, not Android. There is no "ROM".

Since it's RPM based (boo) you just need to do a "yum update".

Re:Interesting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45567163)

Oppo are certainly making impressive inroads. They have phones that should cater to any power user. I myself, like the Oppo R819. Amazinly it's even lighter than an iPhone 5s despite its larger size - 111g - remarkable!!

Re:Interesting. Happening now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563649)

on eBay and CraigsList. That's where I have gotten my last few phones to avoid losing my Verizon unlimited data (son used 12GB one month while at a tech school without internet service in his "shack", so that's close enough to unlimited for me). No warranty aside from "good ESN to get on the network, and it will boot/WYSIWYG " (for most of those phones).

Re: Interesting. (1)

tleaf100 (2020038) | about 5 months ago | (#45566047)

htc used to.it was called the htc hd2. they accepted the warrenty what ever os you had stuck on it,i think it was 9 different os's you could load onto it,and it would run. then folk started locking the bootloaders etc.

Re:Interesting. (4, Informative)

suy (1908306) | about 5 months ago | (#45566441)

As I understand it, that is not going to happen if you want Google's bless (i.e. their applications and Google Play Services, which are critical for some applications to work). Read Google’s iron grip on Android [arstechnica.com] , especially page 3.

Since the Kindle OS counts as an incompatible version of Android, no major OEM is allowed to produce the Kindle Fire for Amazon. So when Amazon goes shopping for a manufacturer for its next tablet, it has to immediately cross Acer, Asus, Dell, Foxconn, Fujitsu, HTC, Huawei, Kyocera, Lenovo, LG, Motorola, NEC, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Toshiba, and ZTE off the list. Currently, Amazon contracts Kindle manufacturing out to Quanta Computer, a company primarily known for making laptops. Amazon probably doesn't have many other choices.

Seems like a terrible move against market freedom. Even worse for consumer freedom.

Re:Interesting. (2)

jovius (974690) | about 5 months ago | (#45566875)

Google play and services can be installed [blogspot.fi] on Jolla (and other devices too?).

Re:Interesting. (1)

suy (1908306) | about 5 months ago | (#45567167)

Yes, I saw that earlier this morning, but I wonder how legal is that, and how easily you can be blocked by Google. I doubt is a solution for a vendor.

Re:Interesting. (1)

hydrofix (1253498) | about 5 months ago | (#45567855)

It's obviously not "legal", as per the Ars article you posted (thanks for the interesting read BTW) these Google Play components are proprietary closed-source apps, that are only available under a license to the Open Handset Alliance members, which Jolla is of course not, since it's manufacturing a non-Google approved version of Android. So while you might be able to install Play on your Jolla, I would think its impossible for Jolla to ship their phone with Google Play pre-installed. Though depending on other restrictions on the phone, it might be possible to make an easily downloadable "pirate" package that will install unlicensed Google Play on the phone, so that non-technical users can benefit from the full Android ecosystem.

What comes to Google "blocking" this hack, I am quite skeptical. If they add some software detection that you are running the Play services on a licensed device, we know from PC world that it will be hacked and people will start distributing "cracked" copies of the APK (Android application package). But AFAIK, Android phones support DRM as well, which can make things little tricker if Google one day really wants to shut off this competition.

Re:Interesting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563623)

Most warranties are pretty much worthless anyway so you wouldn't be losing much. It seems the majority of warranty repairs or replacements take months and cost ridiculous amounts for shipping. If you're lucky, after waiting three months you will get back a phone that doesn't have all the same problems as the original.

Re:Interesting. (3, Informative)

AvitarX (172628) | about 5 months ago | (#45563719)

What company?

T-Mobile has consistently given me a new phone on the spot if I have a box and one under warranty that's broken.

Re:Interesting. (1)

JonBoy47 (2813759) | about 5 months ago | (#45566529)

Hmmm... I did an Applecare+ warranty replacement of my iPhone after it went for a swim. The process took all of three hours, including the drive out to the mall, eating lunch at the mall, the Genius doing a last-minute iCloud backup of the old phone before wiping it, swapping my iPhone out for a new-to-me iPhone he got from the stock-room out back, and waiting around until the iCloud restore of the new iPhone to completed via the in-store wifi.

Re:Interesting. (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 5 months ago | (#45566025)

According to some guy called bingoUV on the other Jolla thread most android phones have unlocked bootloaders that you don't have to hack - and his specific example was "all Samsung phones in the last two years". That doesn't seem correct to me, especially since I had a little Samsung "pocket" phone that was locked down tight. Is he correct or do these things come with locked bootloaders that have to be exploited to get in at all?

Re:Interesting. (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 5 months ago | (#45566237)

He's likely talking about Chinese versions of said phones, as well as generally phones on Chinese market. At least some of them are known to be open.

Re: Interesting. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45566807)

Boot phone to fastbootmode by holding volume down while powering on.
Attach usb cable.
In the Android SDK directory is a program called fastboot.

fastboot oem unlock

This unlocks the boot loader but also wipes the system.

Most if not all Android phones should support fastboot.

Re:Interesting. (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 5 months ago | (#45565027)

The problem in both PC and phones are drivers, not all are open, or not all are available. But as Android phones must have them, you can build other linux based OSs on top of android/cyanogenmod base system, and thats what are doing Ubuntu Touch, Firefox OS, and apparently Sailfish.

The Chinglish. (1, Insightful)

adolf (21054) | about 5 months ago | (#45563515)

What is this crazy moon-man language?

"Firmware" and "Software" and "Hardware" (1)

jabberw0k (62554) | about 5 months ago | (#45563549)

Ugh, this again. You have one piece of software, you have one piece of hardware, and one piece of firmware. You do not "change firmwares" but rather you "change (the) firmware." You wouldn't say you "update the informations" or "upgrade your hardwares" or "go change your clothings" -- would you? Grammar, please.

Re:"Firmware" and "Software" and "Hardware" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563631)

Some barbarian tongues don't have a distinction between mass nouns and count nouns.

Re:"Firmware" and "Software" and "Hardware" (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 5 months ago | (#45564569)

Some barbarian tongues don't have a distinction between mass nouns and count nouns.

That doesn't license you to translate them improperly when you move to a civilized language.

Re:"Firmware" and "Software" and "Hardware" (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 5 months ago | (#45566243)

When they do translate them to civilized language, the don't translate them improperly!

Re:"Firmware" and "Software" and "Hardware" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563683)

This are egregious errors.

Re:"Firmware" and "Software" and "Hardware" (0)

khellendros1984 (792761) | about 5 months ago | (#45565089)

But you *do* say "update the data", "upgrade your components", and "go change your clothes". "Informations" isn't a word. Nor is "hardwares" or "clothings".

Re:"Firmware" and "Software" and "Hardware" (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 5 months ago | (#45566949)

I don't know how grammatically correct it is, but I have heard people say for example "if the hardware problem persists, consider switching laptops".

sailfish eats ice cream sandwich (1)

turkeydance (1266624) | about 5 months ago | (#45563569)

then KitKat unwraps Ubuntu. i'm hungry.

Re:sailfish eats ice cream sandwich (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45564671)

then KitKat unwraps Ubuntu. i'm hungry.

KitKat with Ubuntu leaves you Hungary, but add a side of Sailfish and u will be Finnish. Check please.

What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (5, Insightful)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 5 months ago | (#45563627)

Talouselämä Magazine met Jolla CEO Tomi Pienimäki and asked a puzzling question. If Jolla truly is compatible with Android devices, is Jolla going to let individual users to install the Sailfish operating system on the Android devices that they already have?

That certainly is a puzzling question if you have absolutely no idea what Jolla and Sailfish are.

Go ahead, rant and rave all you want and ask me how I dare to read Slashdot if I don't know what they are already, but would it kill you just to give a hint of what Jolla and Sailfish are? At least then I'd have some idea whether the article might fall within my interest without having to research it. That is what a summary is meant to be for, isn't it?

And it can be done so easily without looking like you've dumbed it down - they do it all the time proper news sites.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563661)

Thank you for posting this, even though you'll surely get flamed six ways from Sunday for it.

This kind of news item on this site is a perfect example of the myopia and arrogance that runs rampant here. I've been reading this site since it's earliest days, and I still check in (via RSS reader) a couple of times a day. But I am constantly amazed by how hard people here work to ghetto-ize themselves -- just like the so-called "Linux community".

Here's a hint: If you want to maintain the security of being a fringe player with no responsibility that everyone else laughs at, then keep up your lazy, selfish ways. If you want to be a major player, then clean up your act.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563769)

Why don't you just read another site's news, Mr. Dumbass?

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563981)

Why don't you just read another site's news, Mr. Dumbass?

'cause he's jealous.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (3, Insightful)

foobar bazbot (3352433) | about 5 months ago | (#45564359)

... I am constantly amazed by how hard people here work to ghetto-ize themselves -- just like the so-called "Linux community".

Here's a hint: If you want to maintain the security of being a fringe player with no responsibility that everyone else laughs at, then keep up your lazy, selfish ways. If you want to be a major player, then clean up your act.

Right now, I have a free OS that does what I need it do, and that I can tinker with whenever I feel like it. And I've got plenty of choice -- i presently use Arch, but I've used (and could go back to) netbsd and slackware, and I could go pick up gentoo, debian, etc. if arch stopped updating, or decided to go in a direction I don't like.

What do I get out of making the "Linux community" a "major player"? At best, those things stay the same when it becomes "a major player" -- in fact, it's liable to become worse, because of the need to cater to the lowest common denominator (cf. Ubuntu).

You say lots of other people (who I don't care about) would start using Linux? OK, then maybe they should wish Linux community becomes "major player" (in reality, they should probably just use OS X -- all the same UNIXiness, a nice polished layer of user-friendliness, and neither them nor we of the Linux community need to get on one another's nerves!), but you're not preaching to them, you're preaching to me, and I just don't care what OS they use.

You say the increased market share would force manufacturers to provide hardware drivers? Well, that might actually be a good argument -- particularly if there were some reason to suppose this doesn't just mean more buggy binary-only drivers. (If this argument was sound, wouldn't we see lots of good from the "success" of Linux by way of Android in getting usable hardware drivers? No, we've got a ton of binary junk, and dozens of separately-maintained hardware-specific forks.) And the only times in the past decade I've run into this hardware-support problem that Linux supposedly has were 5 years ago when I had trouble with a USB-attached webcam in a laptop, and 3 years ago when I made the mistake of getting a UMPC with GMA500/Poulsbo graphics because I skipped the research, thinking Intel graphics==good support. I'm sure there's a lot of unsupported hardware out there, I'm just not running into it very often, and when I do, I don't see any evidence that being a "major player" would actually make it any better.

And I'm just not insecure enough to need the validation of knowing I'm a Major Player, or to care that "everyone else laughs at [us]" (And I note that's the one argument you could be arsed to actually make... good lord, man, see a shrink!) -- unless there's some real benefit to me, I don't see a reason to expend effort helping people who don't care enough to help themselves.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45566997)

amen to that!

this is (was) a news for *nerds* site. I know the term nerd has since changed to mean 'hipster, but on a computer', but it used to mean 'semi-autistic-tech-freak'. If you go by the latter definition you can safely assume people know how to use google.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45565111)

The real problem is more that many talented geeks start to believe that only what they're good at & understand is worthwhile -- which might explain Slashdot's lack of editors -- and thus that anyone with different knowledge/talents must be (to quote someone below) a "dumbass." The attitude not only leads to unnecessarily complex writing, it drives the users away that do have the right combination of tech knowledge &writing talent needed to do a much better job.

The problem isn't universal among Linux communities, however -- the oldest distros with a history of being used in professional settings aren't like that, nor are many of the descendants that focus on what their regular users want/need. They seem to understand that users want & need explanations that can be read without a lot of extra research

I don't know why you'd refer to the whole collective as only a "so-called 'community'" so I can't really respond to it.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (1)

majesticmerc (1353125) | about 5 months ago | (#45563663)

  • - Jolla is a company that formed from Nokia employees that resigned over Nokias wholesale shift to Windows Phone and started their own company
  • - Sailfish is a smartphone OS based off the MeeGo [wikipedia.org] operating system.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (2, Informative)

pspahn (1175617) | about 5 months ago | (#45563679)

And you'd think if someone was paying for a slashvertisement, they would want to make sure potential customers/users knew how to pronounce the name.

Since they didn't, I'll just go ahead and let everyone know that it's pronounced JOE-lah and that any other pronunciation is totally incorrect.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (3, Informative)

trackedvehicle (1972844) | about 5 months ago | (#45564911)

It's pronounced yol-lah. "Jolla" means dinghy in Finnish.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (0)

pspahn (1175617) | about 5 months ago | (#45565543)

Which I would have never guessed.

Honestly, I figured it was either hoya (as in La Jolla) or hawl-ah (like hollar/holla). But if they want to name their phone after a crappy little boat that's their deal, though, I can see why they would prefer to keep it a secret.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (2)

aliquis (678370) | about 5 months ago | (#45565981)

The name make sense.

Jolla is created by former Nokia employe(s) and Sailfish is a continuation of MeeGo which was a Nokia OS.

When Stephen Elop had had become CEO of Nokia and revealed the future direction about how they would ditch Symbian, just relase one MeeGo phone and switch over to Windows Phone he compared the situation to a burning oil platform where you may not want to jump into the cold water but ..

And if you look back at that and where Nokia went it isn't all that weird that someone took their little boat http://www.trabatsakuten.nu/batbilder/jollar_roddbatar/images/Jolle2.jpg [trabatsakuten.nu] and row away with MeeGo and see where that would take them :)

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (2)

aliquis (678370) | about 5 months ago | (#45566003)

.. or that people who are left into the water may want to get picked up by one and rescued :)

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (1)

trackedvehicle (1972844) | about 5 months ago | (#45566983)

Honestly, I figured it was either hoya (as in La Jolla) or hawl-ah (like hollar/holla). But if they want to name their phone after a crappy little boat that's their deal, though, I can see why they would prefer to keep it a secret.

Your reply oozes with negativity.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45567003)

Why are you being so negative?

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (2, Informative)

preflex (1840068) | about 5 months ago | (#45563715)

would it kill you just to give a hint of what Jolla and Sailfish are?

They gave you several hints.

"Jolla CEO Tomi Pienimäki": Hmm. Jolla must be a corporation. That name sounds Finnish.

"If Jolla truly is compatible with Android devices...": Jolla seems to be making some sort of cell phone software.

"Is Jolla going to let individual users to install the Sailfish operating system ..." Sailfish is an operating system for cell phones.

So, Jolla is a Finnish cell phone company that is producing an OS called Sailfish. It will be installable on Android devices. It seems like you would have enough information there to know if you want to know more. They've even provided all the relevant keywords: "Jolla", "Sailfish", which you can enter into a search engine to find more information

Complaining about this makes you appear stupid and lazy.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563761)

Look at me - I'm so fucking smart! That's why I read slashdot.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (4, Insightful)

Jiro (131519) | about 5 months ago | (#45563991)

Generally, the detail which is important to the reader is what distinguishes the referenced item from other things like it. It is uninformative for a Slashdot article to name a disease, type of food, operating system, or anything else without saying what it is. Just the fact that the reader can figure out that it is a disease, food, or operating system doesn't make the article informative. It's possible to figure out something from almost any article, no matter how poorly written. It's still poorly written.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (1)

preflex (1840068) | about 5 months ago | (#45564455)

I agree. The article and summary are badly written. However, parent was complaining there was no "hint" as to the identities of Jolla and Sailfish. He was so emphatic about the word "hint" that he used the emphasis tag. I simply pointed out that there were plenty of hints available, and that those hints should indicate whether the article might fall within his interests. He could simply ask, "Am I interested in installing an alternative OS on an Android phone?". If yes, research Jolla and Sailfish. If no, don't.

I understand that he didn't really want hints, and that he wanted explicit background information. However, parent's statements were so exaggerated that they undermined his argument by being demonstrably false.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45565241)

TL;DR: I have nothing of merit to contribute, so... pedantics!

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (1)

war4peace (1628283) | about 5 months ago | (#45564515)

Alternatively, they should put that gizmo which makes a nice underlined thingie on the word, which you can click and then read an interesting article about the word with the thingie and the gizmo on it. ...I think they're called "hyperlinks", or so I'm told.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45564095)

"Jolla CEO Tomi Pienimäki": Hmm. Jolla must be a corporation. That name sounds Finnish.

My word association put Jolla (pronounced HOY-e) somewhere near San Diego, nearby where Finn named Linus once lived. I just assumed all expat Finns in the US would want to go someplace with weather like San Diego. Shows how myopic my hint engine is.

I'm not sure what to think of an OS created by former Nokia programmers. It isn't as if they did a bang up job when they had the resources of a giant corporation backing them. I hope for them, their failures with Nokia were more a result of poor management then they were a lack of quality or value proposition. Right now there are many flavors of Android - mature with a large test, install, and app base - that are worth voiding warranties for. Unless Sailfish gets picked up by a handset mfg, I'm not sure why one would bother.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (2)

foobar bazbot (3352433) | about 5 months ago | (#45566015)

I'm not sure what to think of an OS created by former Nokia programmers. It isn't as if they did a bang up job when they had the resources of a giant corporation backing them.

Have you used an N9? Because IMO they did a really outstanding job of going from the nerd-centric Maemo 4.x (and earlier) on the 770, N800, and N810, through the kinda-sorta-enduser-ready Maemo 5.0 on the N900, to the fully enduser N9's "Meego/Harmattan" (which despite the name was essentially Maemo 6, with Meego libraries added; the next version would have been the first one built solely on Meego). Not saying N9 was a great enduser OS, just that they did a much better job that I expected of making that specific transition.

While there are plenty of faults to be pointed out with any version of Maemo or Meego/Harmattan, I felt that Meego/Harmattan really was in fair shape to compete with iOS and Android if/when Nokia reallocated enough resources from Symbian to Meego to make a serious effort. Keep in mind they didn't have the resources of a giant corporation -- they had the resources of one small division of that corporation.

I hope for them, their failures with Nokia were more a result of poor management then they were a lack of quality or value proposition.

Everything I've heard suggests there were serious management issues, because much of Nokia upper management were "old guard", committed to Symbian, and were prone to viewing Maemo as a competitor.

Then again, if the truth was "Well, we kinda suck at our jobs", I suppose "Management stabbed us in the back" is exactly what one would expect to hear.

Right now there are many flavors of Android - mature with a large test, install, and app base - that are worth voiding warranties for. Unless Sailfish gets picked up by a handset mfg, I'm not sure why one would bother.

While it's not obvious from TFS, Jolla is a handset manufacturer as well. They're making and selling (in Finland only, at the moment) a handset running Sailfish, but they are also promoting the idea of running that Sailfish on Android devices.

While this does sound like enabling their own competition (why buy a Jolla phone when you can buy an HTC and install Sailfish?), the idea, as I understand it, is to come at the install-base vs. app-base chicken/egg problem from both ends -- by bootstrapping the app base with android apps, and bootstrapping the install base with android devices. Sailfish uses Android video drivers, so it can be relatively easily run anywhere Android runs (even platforms where no open-source video drivers exist). It runs Android apps with a compatibility layer. So it's most people with Android phones could switch to Sailfish, even though it doesn't start with a huge store of native apps, because you just use the same Android apps you already use. Only a tiny fraction of them will, of course, but a tiny fraction of all android users is still a good many. This gets you an install base, even though you don't yet have a good native app base.

Now that install base is hopefully big enough to make app development attractive; soon, users who switched from android start finding better native apps for a few things, and then they're hooked in the Sailfish ecosystem. Next time they buy a new phone, they may go with one made by Jolla, to save the hassle of installing Sailfish. They also evangelize others who are looking for a new Android phone, and get some of them to buy a Jolla phone instead -- particularly others who aren't skilled enough to or simply don't care to install a new OS on their new phone.

Eventually, Sailfish becomes so popular that HTC, Samsung, etc. all start shipping phones with it, and Jolla fades into obscurity? Or HTC (or whoever) buys out Jolla? Or something... Maybe they pull a Google and have some non-open stuff available for license by manufacturers, as well as the open base system. Or maybe they just become one of many Sailfish handset makers, and compete as best they can on features.

I'm really not sure how the endgame works. I don't know how well the parts of the plan I do understand will work out for them, but "success" in one form or another is not inconceivable.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (1)

Luke has no name (1423139) | about 5 months ago | (#45564593)

"Jolla CEO Tomi Pienimäki": Hmm. Jolla must be a corporation. Who the fuck knows where it's from? Startups generate names from a version of scrabble with added "ly" and "io" pieces.

"If Jolla truly is compatible with Android devices...": Wait just a second, if I read this first, I'd think Jolla is a piece of software, not a corporation. Which is it? Now I have to search on the net instead of getting info from the summary like is proper.

"Finnish company Jolla CEO says their MeeGo-based operating system Sailfish will be compatible with Android devices".

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45565215)

["Jolla"] sounds Finnish.

It looks Spanish to me -- being from California, I don't exactly haveexperience with Finns.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563907)

Go ahead, rant and rave all you want and ask me how I dare to read Slashdot if I don't know what they are already

Are you sure you read Slashdot? I mean, there was a story about Jolla and Sailfish yesterday and the day before. If you don't know what they are, you have no one to blame but yourself.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 5 months ago | (#45564439)

Both of those articles - now that I've gone back and found them, I don't recall seeing them in the RSS feed - neatly and succinctly explain what Jolla and Sailfish are.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (1)

ifiwereasculptor (1870574) | about 5 months ago | (#45564153)

Sorry about that. We'll be appending Wikipedia to every article in the future. It's not like you could search it or Google on a separate browser tab, anyway, right?

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (3, Informative)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 5 months ago | (#45564415)

It's not like you could search it or Google on a separate browser tab, anyway, right?

It's not like I should have to, if Slashdot wants to be a news site which informs its readership. Call me lazy if you wish, but I prefer to be less mystified after reading the news.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (1)

war4peace (1628283) | about 5 months ago | (#45564525)

...Or we could just stop going to Slashdot and find the news ourselves. How about that? Since Slashdot doesn't give us the links anyway...

It's MeeGo++ (2)

Burz (138833) | about 5 months ago | (#45564705)

It's got some slight new UI twists. Other than that, in this benighted post-Snowden era, not one whit of apparent concern for security and privacy.

In looking for a new name, they should have called it MeeToo.

Re:It's MeeGo++ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45565407)

Other than that, in this benighted post-Snowden era, not one whit of apparent concern for security and privacy.

Running an OS that doesn't have gaping security and privacy holes would be a reason to switch from Android. Otherwise, seems like a waste of time.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (1)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | about 5 months ago | (#45565309)

I dare to read Slashdot if I don't know what they are already

Perhaps if you read slashdot, say, two days ago, you'd have come across this. [slashdot.org]

Don't blame us because you were stuffing yourself with turkey and can't be bothered to stay up with what's going on in the tech world. It's a fast moving world--please try to keep up. :^D

Seriously, though, it's a worthwhile note to editors.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (1)

Shavano (2541114) | about 5 months ago | (#45565681)

I'm more interested in what advantage there might be in running Sailfish instead of Android -- if any?

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (1)

chmod a+x mojo (965286) | about 5 months ago | (#45565957)

but would it kill you just to give a hint of what Jolla and Sailfish are?

Maybe the editor has a slightly higher reading comprehension level?

If Jolla truly is compatible with Android devices, is Jolla going to let individual users to install the Sailfish operating system on the Android devices that they already have?

Now the only thing left is what is Jolla, and it is obvious that it something to do with Android devices.

Re:What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45566793)

That's easy - you see, Jolla is a company which is currently promoting a new (nameless) mobile phone. So the question goes, if this company Jolla truly is compatible with Android devices... wait, what? How can the company be compatible with Android devices?

Re: What's Jolla? What's Sailfish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45566835)

What about what Android is? Or Ubuntu? Or a mobile phone? Must everything be spoon fed or can you take a little responsibility and read the article or find out for yourself?

I don't mean this in a bad way but where do you draw the line what is "known" and what isnt?

LOL!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45563733)

Can it be officially installed up my anus?

In a Microsoft office (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45564017)

"What happened to us? We used to rule supreme. Every PC out there ran Windows, even those that didn't come with it. In the old day people would download Windows and replace their OS/2 or whatever. Now... they download this Jolla thing... why won't they download Windows instead, like they did before? Oh... right... fuck"

Windodows.

Yet nobody in Apple gave a fuck that day.

Unanswered question (1)

symbolset (646467) | about 5 months ago | (#45564597)

Why?

Re:Unanswered question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45565413)

Why?

You're asking on the wrong site.

The short answer is: because.

The longer answer: Initially it will be limited to tinkerers. For them, it's the novelty of having something new on their phones. For Jolla, it means more people using their OS and more potential customers in the future. If you watch some of their presentations, they are more interested in building the ecosystem than they are in building the OS and the handsets.

So Sailfish / Jolla supports all baseband chips? (2)

jphamlore (1996436) | about 5 months ago | (#45564777)

So Sailfish / Jolla supports all baseband chips that can be found on all Android devices in China? In addition to ST-Ericsson, Qualcomm, Huawei, Samsung, MediaTek, etc.?

Re:So Sailfish / Jolla supports all baseband chips (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45565377)

So Sailfish / Jolla supports all baseband chips that can be found on all Android devices in China? In addition to ST-Ericsson, Qualcomm, Huawei, Samsung, MediaTek, etc.?

From what I understand about phone OS and cell phone hardware in general, there is some hardware abstraction for this. The drivers to baseband chips are fairly straight forward, and, since Sailfish is Linux, I would expect these drivers can be taken from Android (which also uses Linux for its hardware drivers).

The question to ask is: "what apps does Sailfish support?" Simply having another UI for my phone doesn't really do me any good if I can't run anything useful on it. And, by useful I mean decent phone apps, not desktop linux apps.

Re:So Sailfish / Jolla supports all baseband chips (4, Insightful)

foobar bazbot (3352433) | about 5 months ago | (#45566053)

It will support Android apps.

Think of how desktop linuxen can support Windows apps using WINE -- they mostly won't be mistaken for native apps, some won't run, some will have odd glitches, some will run just fine. (I'm not saying that the proportion of apps in each of those categories will be anything like WINE, merely that there's bound to be some of each type.)

If the Android app support is good enough, it could make a huge difference in uptake -- after all, if anyone who can flash a custom ROM can flash Sailfish instead, then install all the apps they had under Android, then carry on like nothing's changed, it won't take much UI improvement/novelty to get a bunch of geeks to do just that, thus boosting their install base well above the number of handsets Jolla sells themselves. That larger install base makes development of Sailfish-native apps more attractive, which means more native apps, which means more reason to switch from Android to Sailfish.

Of course, if the Android app support isn't good enough, people will flash back to android because only half their apps work, Sailfish won't have the big install base, so you'll never get the native apps to replace all those borked android apps, and the whole thing collapses in a heap of fail.

Re:So Sailfish / Jolla supports all baseband chips (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45566095)

So I can run an Android Emulator on my ARM processor with 1GB of memory. Doesn't sound exciting.

Re:So Sailfish / Jolla supports all baseband chips (1)

jalyst (978032) | about 5 months ago | (#45566803)

So I can run an Android Emulator on my ARM processor with 1GB of memory. Doesn't sound exciting.

It's not an emulator, nothing like that at all, it runs native.

Re:So Sailfish / Jolla supports all baseband chips (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45567435)

Think of how desktop linuxen can support Windows apps using WINE -- they mostly won't be mistaken for native apps, some won't run, some will have odd glitches, some will run just fine. (I'm not saying that the proportion of apps in each of those categories will be anything like WINE, merely that there's bound to be some of each type.)

..just like with normal android:)

S4 (1)

neuro88 (674248) | about 5 months ago | (#45565417)

I think I may very well put this on to my S4. I got the S4, because nothing else really looked appealing to me, but I'm really not a fan of touchwiz. If this is better than touchwiz (very hard not to be), then I'll give it a shot.

The fact that Sailfish uses Wayland also makes this very interesting to me.

Re:S4 (2)

jalyst (978032) | about 5 months ago | (#45566823)

It won't run well on anything that's not officially sanctioned/supported, people STILL don't seem to get the the Sailfish(Jolla) model/plans. Nemo will probably be slightly better longer-term, but it needs more time...

No X11? Then what's the point? (1)

fikx (704101) | about 5 months ago | (#45565425)

If they dropped X11, then I can't share my device screen out. What exactly is the advantage of Sailfish over Android if it's just another isolated device like android?

Re:No X11? Then what's the point? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#45565821)

You can't do that with Wayland?

Google Jobs (-1, Offtopic)

Rosie Amber (3449935) | about 5 months ago | (#45566217)

just before I looked at the paycheck 4 $6482, I didnt believe that my neighbour woz like they say realie earning money parttime online.. there best friend has been doing this 4 only about eight months and recently took care of the dept on their home and bourt themselves a Lotus Elan. navigate to this site============> www.blue48.com =============
Load More Comments
Slashdot Account

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Don't worry, we never post anything without your permission.

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
Sign up for Slashdot Newsletters
Create a Slashdot Account

Loading...