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Indian Mars Probe Successfully Enters Sun-Centric Orbit

timothy posted about 8 months ago | from the difficult-task dept.

Mars 132

New submitter palemantle writes with this excerpt from The Hindu, updating our earlier mention of the successful launch of India's Mars-bound probe: "In a remarkably successful execution of a complex manoeuvre, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) fired the propulsion system on board the spacecraft for a prolonged duration of 23 minutes from 0049 hours on Sunday. In space parlance, the manoeuvre is called Trans-Mars Injection (TMI). ISRO called it 'the mother of all slingshots.' Celebrations broke out at the control centre of the ISRO Telemetry, Tracking and Command Network (ISTRAC) at Bangalore from where the spacecraft specialists gave commands for the orbiter's 440 Newton engine to begin firing. The Mars Orbiter Mission (MOM), also known as Mangalyaan, is designed to demonstrate the technological capability to reach Mars orbit. But the $72m (£45m) probe will also carry out experiments, including a search for methane gas in the planet's atmosphere."

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132 comments

Maybe they will find (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566119)

Elvis

What the heck has happened to the West ? (3, Funny)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 8 months ago | (#45566287)

India's Mars probe finally leaves Earth-bound orbits on the 1st of December 2013.

On the very same day, China is set to launch its first lunar lander.

Both India and China are from Asia.

Where are the Europeans ?

Where are the Americans ?

What the heck happened to the usually technologically more advanced societies of the Western countries ?

Asia is playing catch up very very fast, and before long, they might even get ahead of you guys !

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566319)

What the heck happened to the usually technologically more advanced societies of the Western countries ?

We can't be bothered anymore. We now focus on creating billionares. And we have way more than asia. Yay!

the opposite. JP Morgan, Carnegie, etc in our heyd (-1, Flamebait)

raymorris (2726007) | about 8 months ago | (#45566447)

Quite the opposite. It was during America's heyday that someone with the drive and skill of a JP Morgan, Carnegie, etc could build vast enterprises in the US. Today, merely investing your retirement savings in a company gets you punished because all those businesses building stuff are evil, don't you know. Providing products and services that people need and want is the work of the devil. Heck, eventually paying off your house through 30 years of hard work makes you a "rich bastard" who needs to have his "wealth" (family farm) redistributed to other people who blew their money on electronics while you used yours to pay off your mortgage.

Re:the opposite. JP Morgan, Carnegie, etc in our h (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45567179)

Gee, your post was sent from 'dem dang ol' lec-tronics thingums and chances are you didn't access Slashdot from the public library as your only means. Put that in your pipe and schmoke it down. So chill out there Slick 50. You better checcck -ch ch check out what the world is nowadays. I think your argument predates a few current realities such as - those electronics now provide vast amounts of exploitable real time intelligence and that there are profits gained in the shadows from aforementioned exploitation by "vast enterprises", (while people either defend their denial while they secretly plead to the universe that they don't get ganked by a black hat). - hard work is the devil, (no shit), because to work hard nowadays means to surrender your integrity at a job that fucks you on your wages and that limits your hours so as to duck having to consider you as a full time employee to side-step having to give you any damn benefits as your body wears down and you grow older. Long gone are the days where new accomplishments ring the bell of the future because the people have either gotten used to being exploited or rot away faster as the bile eats them away on the inside because they feel powerless to change things to where pride and integrity have been restored. Dig around and find how much modern technology there is that will never see the light of the market because it clashes with the financial forecasts of corporations unwilling to adapt to thriving in a new jungle while people like me have to navigate across the broken economic engines and greed to find enough to pay my debts while avoid being turned into another damned sharecropper filling their role as a tool in another misguided corporate strategy implementation. It's hard enough to find a job or niche in your field while the economy collapses all around you wile bafoons are at the helm in D.C. running around like chickens with their heads cut off babbling rhetoric that insults all but the most basic forms of intelligence. And it would actually mean something to people if your statement about businesses building stuff if they would take responsibility and clean up the toxins that result from "building stuff" - but oh hell no! Just keep on providing us with cheap plastic junk that we don't need even if we are willing to buy it. how the fuck do you expect us to cure cancer when businesses knowingly and willingly keep cramming carcinogens down our throats? And if you even had a farm, you have to deal with shit from Monsanto - not the poor little undesirable kid playing his video games because it's the only way he can pay attention for any length of time because the ADD and fucked effects of his meds because he was exposed to endocrine disruptors while in the womb. So, give consideration to bitching about the shit that businesses do to fuck us over, better yet do something about it. For starters, you have mother fuckers with PhD's working in convenience stores if they are lucky enough. They might be a good pool to work with to do something worthwhile and don't try to exploit them. Try to provide a solution rather than seek a shady profit. After that, if you have people unwilling (not unable) to get off their asses exploit those fuckers. Shitcan media that is nothing more than weird spinoffs of sesame street for adults that has us hurdling towards idiocracy and out of control. Quit thinking in terms of survival and realize a course of action where money and industry are a side effect of perseverance. Lead our generations with integrity and wisdom so that they can know the same for themselves. Turn the surveillance camera on yourself, watch the playback and try to be honest with yourself with what you see. Be humble enough to do the right thing.

Re:the opposite. JP Morgan, Carnegie, etc in our h (1)

kilodelta (843627) | about 8 months ago | (#45569075)

The Apollo program was an interesting beast. It coupled a quasi government agency up with private industry to produce the hardware and software necessary to land us on the Moon and return us safely. A lot of people don't realize that the Apollo program had pieces in almost every single state in the union. My uncle worked designing the seals for the spacecraft and space suits here in Rhode Island.

And inside every State House in the Union there's a piece of Moon rock. Yeah, that's where they went.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566327)

Why is this disgustingly racist and bigoted post modded up? Do you seriously think that only white people know how to build space machines?

his point is what he said, US and EU news all fail (2)

raymorris (2726007) | about 8 months ago | (#45566369)

I don't think that's what GP said.
GP asked "where are the Europeans and Americans?", perhaps pointing out that lately the US and EU countries are only in the news for fail of various kinds.
In the fifties and again from about 1985-2000, all the big space and science news, the big new machines, etc. were all coming mainly from the US and the UK. About 15 years ago, something happened such that the US in no longer the leading nation it once was. Perhaps that's what GP is referring to.

Re:his point is what he said, US and EU news all f (0)

rubycodez (864176) | about 8 months ago | (#45569057)

Nonsense, the American space program is far ahead of the rest of the world. Who has rovers on Mars? who has done massive inventory of planets around other stars? who has craft half way to Pluto? Who has craft orbiting Mercury to map the planet, that discovered ice and organics at its poles?

Re:his point is what he said, US and EU news all f (1)

kilodelta (843627) | about 8 months ago | (#45569087)

Plus the U.S. is heavily involved in the International Space Station and in another project which I find more interesting and while terrestrial it's basis is in the stars. It's the ITER project. The U.S. is one of the sponsors of that project too. Fusion my friend - or commercial fusion.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566387)

where is africa's space probe? oh right, the niggers are too busy killing each other and listening to the catholic asshats' instructions to spread hiv far and wide because rubber is the work of the devil. we're getting the niggers to literally destroy themselves and they are too fucking stupid to notice. can you not see the elegance and beauty of it? we offer them hope and use it to destroy them

source: i'm a jew that was forced to leave my home because the niggers thought it was funny to rape and kill my village. these stupid apes are a cancer to the planet. too bad hitler didn't go to africa first because it would have take three days to conquer and the world would be much better off. have you ever experienced the pain of having your loved ones die when you weren't there to protect them or even comfort them in their final moments? no? then you have no right to oppose racism.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45567569)

Why is this disgustingly racist and bigoted post modded up? Do you seriously think that only white people know how to build space machines?

Ahh STFU really. I bet you're some Asian guy living in the US anyway.

Just because China let off a firecracker a few thousand years ago, doesn't mean they pioneered space rocketry.

The point is the global system is set up so that all Western technology somehow automatically gets into the hands of the east - automotive, IT, rocketry you name it. And Russia gives and helps China with weaponry of every imaginable description.

Why would a whitie Westerner be happy about that? He/she would be retarded to be. It wouldn't be so bad if a whitie could be treated as an equal in China? He/she can't (conveniently from the culture), nowhere near as well as they can in places like America and Canada. I admit Germany is much more like the East that way - inaccessible for non-Germans really. The turks are the big minority group there and are completely unrepresented at all levels of government.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

kilodelta (843627) | about 8 months ago | (#45569107)

Actually it's not Russia per se. Think for a moment who builds/built all the gee whiz hardware that got us to the moon. They were private corporations. And they can pretty much sell to whoever they please and welcome all highest bidders. It's been going on since the beginning of the 20th century. Do I have to mention IBM who was one of the prime contractors in Apollo - they who history included selling tabulating machinery to the Nazi's in World War II while also playing the U.S. side selling early tube based computers to the U.S.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45569849)

Go back to Turkey muslim. Why do you want to live in Germany? Go back to Istanbul and don't complain about the western world not wanting to accept you. Your place is in the Middle East.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566337)

Thats because catch up goes faster than breaking new grounds.

Lets not forget how many valuable scientific experiments Nasa is currently running. They have a bloody rover on mars, they are doing loads and loads of measurements. I really don't think we got to send another man to the moon for science reasons. We learn a lot about living in lower gravity circumstances from the ISS anyway. Of course I do hope we gonna make a permanent base on mars sooner or later, and then maybe on the moon a while after that.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (2)

AHuxley (892839) | about 8 months ago | (#45566633)

AC India had to 'breaking new grounds" just like every other country entering space.
India their development work from the 1950's onwards in a slow and careful way.
No country can just emerge with the maths, computing power and expert staff. It takes years and India put that effort into science and space exploration very early on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Space_Research_Organisation#Formative_years [wikipedia.org]

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566341)

India's Mars probe is on the way to Mars.

America's Mars probes are already on Mars, and have been for years. So that's where the Americans are.

The Chinese don't have a Mars probe at all. They are still struggling to figure out unmanned moon probes.

As for the Europeans, who knows? Not me; I don't pay attention to Europe.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45567333)

The Chinese had a Mars orbiter (Yinghuo), but it failed to reach Mars [wikipedia.org] .

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

BringsApples (3418089) | about 8 months ago | (#45566391)

America has already had a few rovers on Mars. However right now the west is busy trying to take over the world, and war on terror, and healthcare dot gov, and insider-trading at the speed of light.

From another article:
"India's Mars mission, with a budget of $73 million, is far cheaper than comparable missions including NASA's $671 million Maven satellite that is expected to set off for Mars later in November,"

It's crazy to think that 1.24 billion people are in India. They could all pay $1.00 (that's like 40 rupees) and go to Mars 16 times. American's have to pay $2 (that's 80 rupees) each, per trip.

might get ahead? China OWNS the US, borrower slave (0)

raymorris (2726007) | about 8 months ago | (#45566409)

> Asia is playing catch up very very fast, and before long, they might even get ahead of you guys !

Who do you think is financing all of these new government programs in the US? That's China's money we're living off of. The US is spending WAY more than we make, racking up insurmountable debt to Asia. "The borrower is slave to the lender", as the saying goes. Meaning, a larger and larger portion of our earnings are paid to China in the form of interest. The "great American companies" are largely owned by Asian owners now. They don't have to "get ahead of us", we work for them.

Re:might get ahead? China OWNS the US, borrower sl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45568999)

What a remarkable ignorant comment. It's amazing how much milage people get out of distorting the fact that China is the largest foreign holder of American debt. First of all, they're not the largest holder, America is -- the majority of money owed by the US Gov is owed to Americans. Secondly, of the portion of the debt that is owed to foreigners, the list is over a hundred countries. Like many long lists, the #1 position does not imply majority (consider the a list of 25, 22, 20, 19, 17, 16 -- the first entry does not contain the majority of the sum, and that list is only six long). In fact, only about one sixteenth of US debt is owed to the Chinese.
"That's China's money we're living off of"? That's not even China's dime out of every dollar we're living off of. I know, Sarah Palin said otherwise, but Sarah Palin is notoriously bad at math...

Re:might get ahead? China OWNS the US, borrower sl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45569083)

It's better than that. Although there is a deficit, the US still collects more revenue than it borrows. When you sum it all up, out of every dollar we're spending, less than cents of it is money borrowed from the Chinese. To claim "that's China's money we're spending" when over 98 cents out of every dollar isn't is just patently absurd.

Re:might get ahead? China OWNS the US, borrower sl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45569147)

"less than two cents of it"

Just a few facts in brief:

Over two thirds of the money spent by the US government is collect from revenue, not borrowed.

Of the money that is borrowed, the majority of it is borrowed domestically.

Of the money that is borrowed from foreigners, less than a quarter of it is borrowed from the Chinese.

Very little of the money we spend is "China's money".

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (-1, Flamebait)

epyT-R (613989) | about 8 months ago | (#45566517)

we're busy pumping the last 100 years of productivity into our welfare states.. gotta support those 'empowered' single moms and their thugspawn..

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45567993)

Chronic "Welfare" people tend to have more anti-social genes. These genes are recessive, but have a feed-back system in that anti-social people are attracted to each other. The problem we're in now is caused by bad decisions of society. We forced these people to group together then reproduce. We reap what we sow. Now deal with it.

NASA launched a probe 13 days ago (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566787)

NASA launched the MAVEN probe for Mars on November 18. Now, this probe is India's first Mars probe, so it is special in that regard. It was launched on a rocket weaker than the Delta II. Given all the hoopla Iran has been getting for its rocket development, I wonder when it will launch its first probe outside of the Earth system.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

sjwt (161428) | about 8 months ago | (#45566791)

As my history teacher used to say when asked 'what was Spain doing in WW2' - "Sleeping off a hangover from their own efforts"

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (4, Interesting)

ImOuttaHere (2996813) | about 8 months ago | (#45566845)

To start, the US de-funded scientific research. It had to, in part, because Ronald Raygun privatized many government functions. What was the practical effect? It means that rather than paying managers of a government function a government salary, you now take bids from private companies who have only one interest at heart: To make the managers of the private company rich. The cost of government has risen dramatically thereby. Think I'm wrong? Look at SAIC, Ross Perot and his old company, and all the companies related to war and contracting "security" services (just to scratch the surface). Which is directly related to why America spends well north of 55 percent of it's national budget on war related costs, instead of the less than 25 percent of a national budget that European countries do. So, in a country where people do not like government, don't want to pay any tax, in a country where R&D incentives (first initiated during WWII) are removed, in a country that feels it's OK to send jobs to China (effectively making China's middle class rich and America's poor) you end up being left behind on the ideological, scientific, basic research items.

Europe has it's own financial problems right now. It did three things. First, it allowed Germany to become not only the bankers of the EU, but to become the economic powerhouse of the EU as well. Second, many EU countries bought a ton of AAA-rated US mortgage packages that turned out to be junk. Take a close look at which countries bought what and you'll see the effect I'm pointing out. Third, the EU tried to grow their economy by doing what the US and UK did; make cheap loans available as a means of boosting production. Bad move, right? Credit bubbles seldom last forever. Look at what it did to Spain.

Which leads me to this: First world nation's governments are deeply involved in "realpolitik", and are no longer paying attention to the ideologies on which they were founded or the ideologies of science as it might relate to industry. In the US and UK this means enabling corporate and banker greed. On mainland Europe, this means getting wrapped around the axle of competing political interests.

...What the heck happened to the usually technologically more advanced societies of the Western countries ?

Asia is playing catch up very very fast, and before long, they might even get ahead of you guys !

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

stenvar (2789879) | about 8 months ago | (#45566947)

To start, the US de-funded scientific research. It had to, in part, because Ronald Raygun privatized many government functions.

Nice theory, but doesn't agree with reality.

http://www.aaas.org/spp/rd/fy2013/hist13pAgy.png [aaas.org]

During Reagan and Bush, science funding increased while during Clinton and Obama it decreased. The decrease in the Obama years has been particularly sharp, mostly because Obama wasted so much money on politically popular social programs and bailouts. It's the welfare state that's killing public funding for science, not privatization.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (2)

ImOuttaHere (2996813) | about 8 months ago | (#45567235)

... so how do your comments square with the following?

From Chemical and Engineering news [acs.org] -

Reagan’s economic programs, so controversial then and now, generally supported federal science programs... As Reagan’s term went on, however, the rising federal deficits and lower revenues that were the result of a recession took their toll on R&D budgets. Soon, agencies such as the Energy Department, the National Bureau of Standards, and even the National Institutes of Health were looking at budget cuts.

Further, from "The Revolution that Killed Society" [rense.com] , we read...

The Regan Revolution went much further than to just corrupt previously publicly owned companies: they mandated that every service that had begun with ownership by the public needed to be privatized; because only the private corporate-world could make money with things like public services, that up until then had been "a drain" on the public purse. 'Privatization would bring an economic windfall from the drudgery and incompetence of publicly owned services. The justification by the Regan Revolution was that Everything Must Earn a Profit, or it should be terminated: The entire idea of society providing anything for its citizens was heresy to any True-Capitalist.

The result was 'The Revolution That Killed Society'. Everything from the buses and the trains, to electricity, natural gas and heating oil, public hospitals, and public health: indeed everything except possibly firefighters and police have been privatized: and now even those two "services" are experimenting with the idea of privatization as well.

The size of government actually increased under Reagan. This has to stand in stark contrast with his stated goals of downsizing government. From the Reagan Budget [cato.org] , we learn that "People around the country seem to understand what no one in Washington will admit: The budget is out of control. The growth of government is out of control...

Lastly, I take no position on Right vs Left in American politics, except to note that neither party works for We the People. Both parties work hard for the monied class. Hence my belief that America has a one party system. It's called the Business Party and it has two factions that conveniently distract America's citizens by providing great theater as they fight amongst themselves. "Liberals" in the US look better than "Conservatives" only in that they don't say stupid things quite as often as the Rabid Right. Neither faction has any idea how to govern for We the People.

To start, the US de-funded scientific research. It had to, in part, because Ronald Raygun privatized many government functions.

Nice theory, but doesn't agree with reality...

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

stenvar (2789879) | about 8 months ago | (#45570345)

... so how do your comments square with the following?

I objected to your claim that the "US de-funded scientific research, because Ronald Raygun privatized many government functions." In fact, the US did not de-fund scientific research under Reagan, as the AAAS data shows, so you are wrong. Feel free to dislike Reagan for other reasons (personally, I think he was an idiot), but blaming him for things he didn't do is not helpful because then you miss the real culprits.

The real threat to US scientific dominance comes from entitlement programs, mandatory spending, and interest on the federal debt, because those are squeezing out discretionary spending.

(The Chemical Engineering News article names some departments that were cut, but that's not inconsistent with the AAAS data. The Chemical Engineering statement is either sloppy or deliberately misleading.)

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

kermidge (2221646) | about 8 months ago | (#45571095)

Last I looked, direct subsidies to corporations exceeded those to individuals by almost a factor of two. That's before tax breaks and loopholes. As for the 'job creators' myth, while it's true for small businesses, for going on two decades more and more of the profits of production have not been returned to the economy either in investment or job creation by the multinationals and their majority owners, nor by many of the individuals in the fraction of the 1%. All the data are out there, readily available from reputable sources. You have but to seek, or to have been paying attention the past thirty years or so. While you're at it, check out shadow banking.

For something a bit wild, as I haven't totted up the numbers so this is more of a WAG, but I'd guess that under just two presidents has occurred the greatest shift in wealth in recorded human history; but almost certainly in modern times. I've been meaning to do the sums, but so far haven't the stomach for it, so I've been going on the best estimates from people who seem to have a handle on it - along with data directly from the U.S. government (Census Bureau, IRS, Bureau of Labor Statistics, etc.)

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45567529)

http://www.aaas.org/spp/rd/fy2013/hist13pAgy.png [aaas.org]
During Reagan and Bush, science funding increased while during Clinton and Obama it decreased.

The graphic you reference notably includes "DOD" as more than half of the R&D budget. Most people, when talking about government funded research, mean civilian research agencies like NIH, NSF, and NASA. In fact, if you look closely at your graphic, you will see during the Bush and particularly the Reagan years, that the rise in total spending is accompanied by an even sharper rise in the ratio of DOD:non-DOD spending. This is essentially what the GP said: in order to pay for military spending, the US sharply cut its (civilian) research programs

The main reason people distinguish between DOD and non-DOD research is that DOD is much more application-driven Development than non-DOD, basic science Research. The DOD tends to build on the esoteric discoveries made by NSF and NASA projects. DOD gets us better planes, boats, and bombs in the next 5 years, but non-DOD research gets us basic science that forms the basis of economic growth for the next 20-50 years.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45569559)

There is no West anymore. Thanks to PC immigration policies, the 3rd world and the east has overrun the west. The West can no longer be the West. And if you disagree, you are a racist.

Re: What the heck has happened to the West ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566889)

Don't worry! Plenty of European missions coming.
http://www.esa.int/ESA/Our_Missions

GAIA will be interesting.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566999)

Simple: we grew up. We did all that stuff half a century ago. We took pictures of dead and deadly rocks floating in a vacuum. So?

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45567051)

We're doing this. [imgur.com] Isn't it obvious enough?

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (0)

justthinkit (954982) | about 8 months ago | (#45567081)

At least Americans know the difference between an "injection" and a "slingshot", given that they produce exactly opposite results.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 8 months ago | (#45569101)

Curious, are you American?

A slingshot maneuver is used to help change your orbit, i.e. eject you from one orbit and inject you into another one.

Catch with a slingshot? (1)

justthinkit (954982) | about 8 months ago | (#45570547)

A slingshot speeds up a projectile. Planets slingshot space probes, making them travel much faster than propellants alone could accomplish. Do you play catch with a slingshot? In this case, the probe was slowed down by a planet. A reverse slingshot, if anything.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 8 months ago | (#45567385)

India's Mars probe finally leaves Earth-bound orbits on the 1st of December 2013.

On the very same day, China is set to launch its first lunar lander.

Both India and China are from Asia.

Where are the Europeans ?

Where are the Americans ?

What the heck happened to the usually technologically more advanced societies of the Western countries ?

Asia is playing catch up very very fast, and before long, they might even get ahead of you guys !

Apparently they're in Houston, and Florida. I regularly see the European, Japanese, Russian, Canadian, Russian, etc. Astronauts at the Johnson Space Center.

The USA has sent astronauts to successfully walk around on the moon, and driven manned rovers there. We've got some satelites orbiting Mars already, and several successful mars rovers, the latest Mars Science Lab is the size of a SUV, and was deployed by unique very complex manoeuvre involving a hovering platform.

NASA partners with space agencies around the world, from Europe's ESA, to Japan's JAXA, to Russian Roscosmos, etc. Don't get me wrong, I think we should give all the NSA and war budgets to NASA and have self sustaining colonies of humans out there (reduce our current 100% chance of extinction). However, I'm not scared about Asia "catching up" to our decades old achievements. In fact, Space is a resource all the world's countries should share.

See also: Planetes [animenewsnetwork.com] -- an anime which briefly explored the concept of poor nations inability to access space widening the poverty gap, and spurning space terrorism.

Some governments fear each other and cause war, but even among the adversarial countries the vast majority of ordinary people of on Earth aren't enemies of each other. Gazing at our small vulnerable blue world from space there are no national borders. May cooperation in space exploration continue to unite Earth's people. I'm cheering India on! The people of Asia deserve to have the cultural catalyst of the cosmic perspective too.

You may also enjoy Space Brothers [crunchyroll.com] - Anime about international cooperation in space exploration, brotherly love, sibling rivalry, and putting the first Japanese astronaut on the moon. IMO, we should have inspiring animated shows like this on prime-time TV in place of yet another sarcastic Simpson's clone. Maybe then statements such as yours would be encouraging courage and cooperation rather than scaremongering.

TL;DR: Some men just want to watch the world grow.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

bobwalt (2500092) | about 8 months ago | (#45567495)

Tax whiners.

Re: What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

Beltway Prophet (453247) | about 8 months ago | (#45568211)

Um, so: Curiosity? Multiple orders of magnitude more sophisticated hardware. Not to mention we are still -- simultaneously -- running Opportunity! More competition in space is a good thing for everyone, though, so long as we're not completely redundant in our efforts.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 8 months ago | (#45569025)

What the heck happened to your news feed? these baby steps India is taking we did decades ago. We put landers on Mars in the 70s.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

kilodelta (843627) | about 8 months ago | (#45569065)

Um, where are we Americans you ask? We've had at least four rovers rolling around on Mars, the most recent is Curiosity and she's nuclear which means her total sols on Mars will be measured in YEARS.

And tell me, who built and launched the Voyager and Pioneer platforms? Some of which are now at the edge of the solar system.

And who landed SEVERAL men on the Moon? Yeah, we did, in the 1960's and 1970's. Nice to see that China and India are playing catchup now. And I have to wonder, if we got a look at the avionics on the Chinese and Indian platforms I'd bet we find a whole bunch of U.S. originated technology in there.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

runeghost (2509522) | about 8 months ago | (#45569201)

The Mars Odyssey, Mars Reconnaissance (NASA) and Mars Express (ESA) orbiters are still operational, as are the Opportunity and Curiosity rovers. NASA launched the Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution orbiter less than two weeks ago.

Ignorant poster is ignorant.

Re:What the heck has happened to the West ? (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 8 months ago | (#45571433)

Where are the Americans ?

We're servicing the stockholders, and anyhow, that space stuff is verging on sedition, being science and all. And science is bad.

We have high hopes (1)

Chad Smith (3448823) | about 8 months ago | (#45566127)

Our chief engineer is trying to deploy a make shift solar sail.

Bah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566135)

I could do a TMI with an oddly shaped rock and a slingshot..... amateurs.

check it out (-1, Offtopic)

Rosie Amber (3449935) | about 8 months ago | (#45566157)

just before I looked at the paycheck 4 $6482, I didnt believe that my neighbour woz like they say realie earning money parttime online.. there best friend has been doing this 4 only about eight months and recently took care of the dept on their home and bourt themselves a Lotus Elan. navigate to this site============> www.blue48.com =============

Re:check it out (1)

kermidge (2221646) | about 8 months ago | (#45571425)

Ghosh, Rosie, I'd love to surf on over there, but my nurse is leaving, so no more channel flipping tonight for me. I'm sure that once there whatever fee might be involved in pursuing my life's dreams would be most nominal and certain to be applied only to defray necessary expenses.

Speaking of which, I could well be in a most wonderful position to make a substantial investment in this regard, as I've been left a rather embarrassingly large stack of old treasury notes in a safe deposit box which belonged to my dear recently departed uncle, a most kindly gentleman who entrusted these bonds to me in the hopes I might better myself.

Unfortunately what with my rather extensive life-support needs and their attendant, er, attendants, I'm unable to get across the country to pick them up - a task which may not be delegated according to the bank's officers. There is a possible solution, in that a professional friend at one of my city's consulates (which I fear must remain nameless out of respectful discretion) has most generously offered me the free use of the embassy's private jet if only I can provide for the small cost of the fuel needed. For the pittance of but $74,000USD then the task is complete. (Needless to say, whomever was instrumental in providing such a trifling investment would be generously rewarded; I was thinking a, um, finder's fee, shall we call it? on the order of 1/3 that amount might be a proper gesture of gratitude, don't you? - plus expenses, of course. If you could but help in this time of need against what promises to be a large windfall, I would truly be most thankful in a remunerative fashion.

Please respond to lynchspammers@upthine.org. I anxiously await your no doubt kindly, generous, and humbling missive.

3.. 2.. 1.. (3, Insightful)

SB9876 (723368) | about 8 months ago | (#45566173)

Countdown to a flood of unfunny, racist Indian call center jokes...

Re:3.. 2.. 1.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566203)

Really, looking for methane?

Re:3.. 2.. 1.. (1)

kermidge (2221646) | about 8 months ago | (#45571261)

Yes, really looking for methane. One of its sources is living things - metabolic by-product of fauna, and decay product of flora. Particular differentials in carbon isotopes is indicator of that biological sourcing, if it exists. It's really rather amazing what real scientists get up to, nu?

Re:3.. 2.. 1.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566221)

Calling India ! Calling India ! This is the Mars probe calling !

India: No need to call. Do the needful is enough.

Re:3.. 2.. 1.. (0)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 8 months ago | (#45566231)

I'm sorry, I should have posted my unfunny racist post under yours, but I just got too cought up in the unfunny H1B jokes.

Like all the qualified citizens here that get pushed out of jobs by H1Bs - it never happens, you know.

In this great country, we just don't have enough "smart people" because we are all MORONS that want a living wage and benefits

It's such a shame we will not work for basic wages with no benefits,WHO DO THE FUCK DO WE THINK WE ARE.

Blaw, blaw, blaw....

 

Re:3.. 2.. 1.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566265)

I'm with you, I'm tired of bothering to be competitive. As an American, I am entitled to a high-paying job.

My racist joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566515)

ISRO called it 'the mother of all slingshots.'

In my head I read that in an Indian accent.

Re:3.. 2.. 1.. (3, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 8 months ago | (#45567111)

I'm not sure why someone who sends out a printed invitation for racist jokes would get modded "Insightful".

I didn't see any such jokes until you mentioned them, and then the ones that came were pretty half-hearted.

Maybe you need to have a little more faith in people.

Re:3.. 2.. 1.. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 8 months ago | (#45567611)

I didn't see any such jokes until you mentioned them, and then the ones that came were pretty half-hearted.

Well, I didn't see any ${BADTHING}s until you mentioned them, so they must be your fault.

Re:3.. 2.. 1.. (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 8 months ago | (#45568029)

Well, I didn't see any ${BADTHING}s ...

Ah yes, pseudocode. You can't argue with that!

Re:3.. 2.. 1.. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 8 months ago | (#45568089)

Ah yes, pseudocode. You can't argue with that!

I won't apologize for knowing my audience any more than you will, so stop taking the... er...

Re:3.. 2.. 1.. (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 8 months ago | (#45568303)

Touché, I say (turning toward you while discharging a full, er, stream...

Re:3.. 2.. 1.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45569035)

You obviously didn't read the previous Slashdot articles on this mission.

News (0)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 8 months ago | (#45566185)

We shall not just send probes, we shall send many many QUALIFIED people to satisfy all the IT needs on the Sun.

Methane Gas -- In Search of Cows (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566193)

They're mistaken if they think they'll find cattle on Mars -- with possible answers to other questions about their Deities.

Good For Them (2)

FSWKU (551325) | about 8 months ago | (#45566213)

Seriously, my humble congrats to the team on their success so far. We need more players in the space game, and knowledge gained will hopefully benefit everyone.

On a more philosophical note, I'd love to see this benefit India as a whole by pointing out to everyone just how insignificant we ALL are in the grand scheme of the universe. While they've "officially" abolished the caste system, it's still there in a lot of ways. The more people realize that Earth is but a tiny speck, the more people will (hopefully...I can dream, right?) begin to treat each other better, especially those deemed to be in a "lower class" by some arbitrary rules that nobody alive has any connection to anymore. Actually, it would be nice if we could all work toward that, not just Indian society.

Re:Good For Them (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 8 months ago | (#45566271)

This is in now way India-specific; but "I'd better shore up my battered sense of importance by getting my foot on the other guy's neck" seems to be the response that crops up to the sensation of vast, cosmic, insignificance as often as some nobler sense of kinship with your fellow gravity-well-dwellers.

I don't exactly like the fact; but when being better in some absolute sense isn't an option, we frequently turn to finding somebody to be worse, as though that's a substitute.

Great but... money better spent elsewhere (2, Insightful)

Dakiraun (1633747) | about 8 months ago | (#45566261)

While I congratulate them on the outstanding technical achievement of this and other feats of their space program, it is a country where any and all available funds need to be going towards resolving the massive poverity, corruption and inequality issues. Over half of the nation's population is poor, 21% of their diseases are water-related,and only 33% even have access to what would be considered normal sanitation facilities. Charities exist by the dozens to deal with a variety of issues in India in trying to clean up these problems, and here is their government spending millions on space missions. To me, that just seems grossly irresponsible. :/

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (5, Informative)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 8 months ago | (#45566289)

Well 73 million is 0.025% of their yearly budget (73m/280b). Spending the renaming 99.975% of the budget will have more appropriately will have more of effect on corruption, poverty, and inequality issues in my opinion. If help improve research and help improve research and manufacturing technology, it would probably more than pay for itself. It would also probably bring more business to Antrix (commercial wing of ISRO), and probably even make money for the Indian govt, and end up with a net gain rather than 72 million expense.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (4, Insightful)

idji (984038) | about 8 months ago | (#45567069)

This project cost 70M$. that is 5.8c per Indian.
If this rocket inspires 20-50 million Indian poor children to study harder at school, learn Math and be an Engineer, then this project has a FANTASTIC value for the country of India.
I suspect this is money extremely well spent to inspire masses of children to take destiny in their own hands and rid themselves and their family of the poverty trap, by believing that an ordinary Indian child can do something extraordinary in the village, town, city, state and planet
I just ran 3 IT seminars in 3 Australian cities - all three had 50% participants from India - why, because Indians aspire to Math, Engineering, and Australians aspire to be sport heroes, lawyers and slackers, while their government wins an election on "Turn back the refugee boats" and "Kill the Carbon Tax". Where are their inspiring projects?

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45570161)

That's a great example.

If you ignore the fact that India's population is FIFTY times the size of Australia's.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (4, Insightful)

fredprado (2569351) | about 8 months ago | (#45566303)

If all countries wait to end poverty, corruption and inequality "issues", before researching space or anything else, it won't ever be done. India does a LOT of things wrongly, but in this it is on the right track, unlike US, which keep cutting funds from NASA in name of trying to fix social problems that strangely keep getting worse and worse the more money the government apply on them.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566665)

NASA is almost entirely outsourced to defense contractors who have figured out how to extract the most out US Taxpayers while producing the least amount of results.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (2)

xyzzymage (3415857) | about 8 months ago | (#45566767)

US, which keep cutting funds from NASA in name of trying to fix social problems that strangely keep getting worse and worse the more money the government apply on them.

The US has been *reducing* the amount spent on "trying to fix social problems" (or anything that primarily benefits everyday citizens, for that matter) for at least 3 decades now, not increasing it!

Our problems have worsened for a wide variety of reasons, but as a quick starting point: job outsourcing leaving countless Americans unemployed, waves of underpaid H1B workers & legal/illegal immigrants compounding the problem, and bulk retailers like WalMart (which severely underpay employees) replaced the decently-paying stores. That's not even touching the clusterfuck in our schools, healthcare issues, or other problems here.

completely wrong (1)

stenvar (2789879) | about 8 months ago | (#45566975)

The US has been *reducing* the amount spent on "trying to fix social problems" (or anything that primarily benefits everyday citizens, for that matter) for at least 3 decades now, not increasing it!

That's completely wrong. In fact, we are spending a larger and larger portion of our budget on social programs:

http://www.aaas.org/spp/rd/Hist/BudGDP.jpg [aaas.org]

http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/infographics/2012/10/SR-fed-spending-numbers-2012-p2-2-chart-3_HIGHRES.jpg [amazonaws.com]

Science, infrastructure, and other spending that benefits everyday citizens is being squeezed out by ineffective welfare programs.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (1)

petes_PoV (912422) | about 8 months ago | (#45566885)

Similarly, the USA could divert money form its space (or defence) budget to "fix" Detroit and all the other poverty-stricken, bankrupt, towns in the country.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about 8 months ago | (#45568543)

And in the end the money would disappear, Detroit wouldn't be fixed, poor people would be poorer, and the space research would stop. Seems like a great idea.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566309)

This is a classic anti-space troll. The usual counterarguments continue to apply.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566315)

Yeh India's poverty can be overcome by distributing $73 million ...that's the cost of mission to Mars.By this logic the first $$ on space program should be spent after last person comes out of poverty.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (2)

BringsApples (3418089) | about 8 months ago | (#45566413)

There are 1.24 billion people in India. If you give them each 1 US dollar you would feed them for maybe 7 days. And yet you could go to Mars 16 times for the same price. You tell me how that's irresponsible.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566421)

While I congratulate them on the outstanding technical achievement of this and other feats of their space program, it is a country where any and all available funds need to be going towards resolving the massive poverity, corruption and inequality issues. Over half of the nation's population is poor, 21% of their diseases are water-related,and only 33% even have access to what would be considered normal sanitation facilities. Charities exist by the dozens to deal with a variety of issues in India in trying to clean up these problems, and here is their government spending millions on space missions. To me, that just seems grossly irresponsible. :/

When a similar question was asked to a professor at ISRO after a successful launch. He said, during diwali we spend 5000 crores on fireworks/rockets which reach only 10 feet high. We are spending 500 crores for MOM (Mars Orbiter Mission) in comparison.

IMHO, money can always be better spent elsewhere.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566503)

What is grossly more irresponsible? Spending on things that could improve things in the future for everyone or spending money on people who do very little more than create more people just like themselves.

Most of the problems in the 3rd world stem from the past 100 years of do-gooders running around giving vacines and food while preaching about religion without worrying about developing all the cultural and capital infrastructure required to deal with all these new people.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (-1, Troll)

epyT-R (613989) | about 8 months ago | (#45566549)

They have too many people.. let them die off.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (5, Interesting)

AHuxley (892839) | about 8 months ago | (#45566651)

India asked itself the about the payback of advanced technologies in the late 1940's to 1960's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Space_Research_Organisation#Goals_and_objectives [wikipedia.org]
Seems they got the funding mix right and can now enjoy the long term tech exports and get to add to space science :)

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (1)

BlacKSacrificE (1089327) | about 8 months ago | (#45566785)

It's all about future investments. If they can demonstrate that they, alone, can pull this off, it will increase their technical prestige in the worlds eye. People will feel more confident investing in their technologies, people will come knocking on their door to have India launch vehicles for them, all of which will generate big revenue. It will encourage the youth to pursue sciences and technology as vocations as NASA did in the 60's, which in the years to come will boost their capabilities further. There is no bullet that can cure the problems of the country, but inspiring the people to become more by demonstrating capabilities such as this is in my eyes a wonderful thing. Even if they do not make it all the way to Mars, they have already put on a hell of a show. I can't wait to see what the next 20 years holds for them, and I congratulate them wholeheartedly for what has so far been a pretty decent mission.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 8 months ago | (#45567645)

Spending more money on the problem won't solve the problem, as long as those in charge don't want to solve it.

It would be fucking easy to fix basically anywhere. All you have to do is enable this: http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/indian-man-single-handedly-plants-a-1360-acre-forest [mnn.com]

Instead of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_issues_in_India#Pollution [wikipedia.org]

But look around you at the country of your choice. Here in the USA we have people actively preventing people growing vegetables in their own yards. We have a huge percentage of the nation owned directly by the federal government, and exploited for its mineral rights; meanwhile, during the federal shutdown, they were actually preventing people from entering it. This land is our land?

The problem is greed. And it's particularly pathetic because the rich aren't happy, either. So they're depriving others in order to make some big numbers bigger in a way that won't even fucking make them happy. No matter how you slice it, that's a tragedy.

Re:Great but... money better spent elsewhere (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 8 months ago | (#45569103)

you are confused. the people must produce the means to feed themselves, not be handed money taken from others. investing in technology is one way to accomplish that end.

Indians, in spaaaaace (1, Offtopic)

BringsApples (3418089) | about 8 months ago | (#45566305)

India is like another planet. I had the opportunity to live in India in 1996-1997 and work heavily with Indians. They are such a pleasure to work with (I was working in agriculture) and things go by so softly over there (in Chennai - Manapakkam - at least). I remember thinking that, it felt how I assume it felt in America back in the 40's. I hope that India is able to weave itself into a respectable position with other first-world countries, even if only for the first-world country's sake - for the sake of remembering how to work together as a team for a noble cause.

Re:Indians, in spaaaaace (1)

xyzzymage (3415857) | about 8 months ago | (#45566801)

Sounds nice, as long as the "1940s" you describe doesn't extend to the old gender roles -- those are fine for people that naturally fit them, but not very pleasant for those of us that don't. :-)

Re:Indians, in spaaaaace (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 8 months ago | (#45567625)

Sounds nice, as long as the "1940s" you describe doesn't extend to the old gender roles -- those are fine for people that naturally fit them, but not very pleasant for those of us that don't. :-)

Well, they not only have fucked up gender roles, but they also have their own answer to racism, the caste system. Which is officially over, but very much still alive and well today. And as hateful as ever. It just goes to show that until The People of (wherever) decide to cooperate on a better future, someone always finds a way to divide and conquer them. India has its attractions but ecologically it's a fucking wasteland. What could it look like with more cooperation? I notice their last vestiges of royalty are still living in pretty opulent surroundings. If only they were motivated to improve the whole country, and not just their own grounds.

You know, just like everywhere else.

An Indian Odyssey (5, Interesting)

varshar (83695) | about 8 months ago | (#45566437)

Excellent work by our scientists and engineers at ISRO.

Mangalyaan is thus far proving:

1. How reliable PSLV series is for commercial space-launch.

2. How far India has come in mastery over orbital mechanics - witness the precise application of Oberth effect. This isn't just your granddads Hohmann slingshot. At least not yet.

3. Setting benchmark pricing for Mars transit at USD 70 Mn. for 485 Kg payload viz. 144K USD per Kg.

4. Generating huge impact among school kids. Visits to Nehru planetarium are no longer about US this and Russia that... even though we owe them for being pioneers.

I look forward to the next logical extension viz. manned-mission with the Indian flag atop Olympus Mons.

Varun

Re:An Indian Odyssey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45567757)

I'm excited about it too, and very happy about the program.

It's not over yet, though, and everyone should be reluctant to celebrate. Mars has a reputation for being a probe killer [nasa.gov] . There's still plenty of time for this to end very badly.

Re:An Indian Odyssey (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45570999)

In all fairness, a single launch is just a small step towards proving reliability. I did note the interesting use of the Oberth effect to push out the apoapsis, but I think you're confusing things. The Oberth effect was used while in Earth orbit, whereas the Hohmann transfer orbit is used to change from Earth orbit to Mars orbit. And "slingshot" commonly refers to gravity assists. In this case, the only possible assist would have been from a moon (either ours, or Phobos or Deimos to brake near Mars). But Mangalyaan uses no gravity assists (IIRC, no Mars mission did. Timing that is hard.)

The Sun and the science of Moonraker? (2)

jphamlore (1996436) | about 8 months ago | (#45566501)

When I think of the Sun and science, I can't help but think of the James Bond movie Moonraker where the opposing teams of astronauts / space marines are killing each other in Earth orbit with space lasers, one guy gets hit, and he starts to fall into the Sun.

Kongrats (1)

vikingpower (768921) | about 8 months ago | (#45566723)

to India, and to ISRO. Excellent engineering. I am genuinely glad for them to have succeeded here. The more countries master this, the better it is for the exploration of space, for technology, and maybe even for peace: engineers employed at carrying out TMI are not working on, say, ICMBs and their ballistics. Goes true also for China, Russia, the US.

now the Indians get to (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45566871)

accurately bomb the crap out of Pakistan! way to go!

Uh, Correct Me If I'm Wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45567407)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it in a "Sun-centric" orbit before it even left the launchpad?

Just saying.

Needs more Kerbal (1)

MrLogic17 (233498) | about 8 months ago | (#45568927)

Is it just me, or does anyone else need a screen shot of the path in a Kerbal Space simulation?
They I hear the term "slingshot" (from TFS), I imagine a multi-pass loop around earth making a gravitational slingshot out part Earth's sphere of influence.

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