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Property Managers Use DNA To Sniff Out Dog Poop Offenders

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the thank-you-science dept.

Science 234

Nerval's Lobster writes "News changes during holidays. It gets thinner and lighter and weirder as the hordes of writers and editors who produce the overwhelming flood of news, updates and infotainments go home to annoy friends and family rather than readers and advertisers. Top points in ridiculousness, however, go to the condo- and apartment-complex managers in Braintree, MA, who were inspired to become amateur zoo-geneticists by resident pet owners who not only refused to clean up after their pets, but challenged the apartment managers to prove it was their pets contributing the increasingly hazardous, unpleasant piles of doggie doo on apartment properties. Rather than put up with a neverending supply of potential EcoBot fuel on marring the landscaping, facilities managers took cheek swabs of all the dogs on the property and sent them to A Knoxville, Tenn. that provided DNA profiles under a program with the dignified name 'PooPrints.' Now, for a fee of only $60 per pooch, residential managers can confirm the provider of a pile of PooPrintable material by comparing the DNA in the dog with the DNA in the pile. 'Now you don't really have to worry about dog poop,' said one fan of the practical application of zoological genetic analysis. 'The grass is now ours again, we don't have to worry about it [poop], and that's a good thing.' Restraint is just as important as innovation, of course, so the building managers made a point of telling the AP reporter who wrote the story that they wouldn't extend the effort to identifying which pooch peed on which bush and when. 'That's a little more difficult. We are not going to tackle that.' Finally, in this holiday season, something to be thankful for." The city of Petah Tikva, Israel started a similar identification program in 2008.

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This is why (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574135)

You should own a fucking cat instead.

Re:This is why (3, Funny)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#45574223)

Then all the feces is helpfully contained to your bed and inside your shoes.

Re:This is why (2)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about a year ago | (#45574789)

Only if the cat is VERY unhappy with you. What did you do to that cat?

Re:This is why (3, Informative)

LoRdTAW (99712) | about a year ago | (#45574951)

If your cat is shitting on your bed and in your shoes then youre doing it wrong.

Re:This is why (4, Funny)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year ago | (#45574225)

Fucking cats is illegal in most states.

Re:This is why (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | about a year ago | (#45574275)

Hmmm. That’s odd. All States have land grant colleges and all land grant colleges have courses in animal husbandry. So it can’t be a general principal. Do you know that ban cats specifically?

Re:This is why (2)

BattleApple (956701) | about a year ago | (#45574477)

Fucking cats are illegal in most states
Not true

Re:This is why (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about a year ago | (#45574691)

Not true

Depends if it is in the process of fucking or owned for the purpose of fucking. In the latter case the legality depends on who or what is going to be fucking it.

PS

Does this qualify as "stuff that matters" or "nwes for nerds"? :)

Re:This is why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574529)

Ewwww! That's fucking disgusting!

Re:This is why (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574329)

Cats let outdoors will also excrete waste products in a comparable distribution. Owning any pet is a big responsibility.

Re:This is why (2)

LongearedBat (1665481) | about a year ago | (#45574623)

You should own a fucking cat instead.

Then you'll end up with litters of kittens.

Re:This is why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574739)

Or you could just pick up your dogs shit. It is not that difficult. Cats are useless novelties for people who avoid responsibility. Dogs are for people who want a family relationship that is give and take. I never saw a cat assist the blind. I never saw a cat rescue quake survivors or attack an intruder. I never saw a cat detect cancer or meth.

Re:This is why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574759)

I never heard of any regions cats helped us colonize.

Re:This is why (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45575189)

The last time a society went nuts and removed many of the cats they had. Because they were 'evil'. We got the black plague exploding. Had they not done that. It's pretty likely the black plague never would have gotten as bad as it did.

Until we actually get a handle on rodent populations. Cats serve an important purpose. Even today in our 'modern' society. They keep rodent populations in check.

Re:This is why (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#45574987)

And cats aren't as tasty.

Re:This is why (4, Interesting)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#45574999)

Cats have traditionally played very important roles in pest control --- keeping rodents out of granaries, etc. --- which is how they gained widespread acceptance and favor in human societies. A farm or city with a few semi-domesticated cats around was greatly preferable to swarms of rats. Ancient Egyptian civilization --- the ones who put cats on the level of gods (which status the cats have never forgotten) --- was able to become a powerful empire through large-scale storage and distribution of grain, requiring methods (such as cats) for preventing mass-scale spoilage of food supplies due to vermin infestation.

Re:This is why (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45575135)

Or you could just pick up your dogs shit. It is not that difficult. Cats are useless novelties for people who avoid responsibility. Dogs are for people who want a family relationship that is give and take. I never saw a cat assist the blind. I never saw a cat rescue quake survivors or attack an intruder. I never saw a cat detect cancer or meth.

I like how quickly you shifted from "a family relationship that is give and take" straight to praising the explicit use of the "family member" as a tool. Makes me glad I'll never meet your family.

Re: This is why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574891)

So the cat can pee in the apartment and tear it up drom the inside? No thanks, enjoy bowing down to an inferior animal. Mind you, you still pick up the cat's poo, you jusy do it in sand.

Of course, you can make the management go crazy. . (5, Funny)

Salgak1 (20136) | about a year ago | (#45574155)

. . . by pooping on the grass yourself. . .

Re:Of course, you can make the management go crazy (2)

Walterk (124748) | about a year ago | (#45574923)

Or go to the local zoo and pick up some wolf/tiger/lion poo..

inconsiderate... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574161)

Inconsiderate is what people are... I know dogs can be picky but come on... You bought the thing. You take care of it. Yet you can not control one bit and walk 3 blocks so your dog can take a crap somewhere?

Yesterday while raking my yard I saw a couple who *waited* for at least 10 mins for me to go inside. So they could let their dog piss on my yard eventually they gave up. Thankfully all the dogs in the neighborhood have killed 100x3ft of my grass. I have tried planting more hardy type grasses (so I do not have to water as much). But nothing survives but weeds. Never mind the 3 empty fields nearby. Least most of my neighbors pick the crap up which is about all the credit I can give them.

Re:inconsiderate... (4, Interesting)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year ago | (#45574251)

I inadvertently taught my dog to not crap on the lawn. When he was still house training, I always took him off into the tall weeds to do his business - since then, he goes to great lengths to not crap on the lawn. He'll find tall weeds, go off in the woods or crap over an embankment if at all possible. Last week, he had to go and there was only lawn in site, so he made sure to crap on a large rock rather than the grass... made it easier for me to scoop it up.

Re:inconsiderate... (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year ago | (#45574265)

+1, Inadvertently Brilliant

Re:inconsiderate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574647)

This is why there are so many dog-dammed shitty embankments now. Thanks, Obama.

Re:inconsiderate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574455)

Yeah, that kills me.
I'll told one dog walker who was waiting to let her dog piss on my yard while I was doing some landscaping that I was going to have my 5 year old follow them home and piss on her lawn. I got a huff and a dirty look, like I was the asshole.

Re:inconsiderate... (-1, Flamebait)

cayenne8 (626475) | about a year ago | (#45574547)

Geez, are people really that uptight about a little dog crap on their yards????

I mean, I can understand if it is a yard where kids play football,etc...and generally everyone in the neighborhood knows which lawns those are, but for the most part, no one goes out and walks on or does things in their yards where they'd step on some dog crap.

Its just a little extra fertilizer, get over it...

Re:inconsiderate... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574845)

Geez, are people really that uptight about a little dog crap on their yards????

As a dog owner, you may perceive it as "a little dog crap." As a homeowner, I perceive it as "2-3 piles every day," which, if not picked up, will result in dead spots.

Manure may be good fertilizer, if it's allowed to ferment and break up, but a pile of shit is toxic. Likewise, water may be good for your lawn, but acidic, salty urine is toxic.

Re:inconsiderate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45575207)

Geez, are people really that uptight about a little dog crap on their yards????

It depends on where you live. In a nice NYC suburb, the locals take offense if you don't manage your dog poo. In a nice Atlanta suburb the locals take offense if you aren't white. Different people have different priorities.

Re:inconsiderate... (2)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#45574831)

Why would people intentionally let their dog piss on your grass? It's not like they couldn't piss just about anywhere else is it?

Dog piss is full of nitrogen and that's what makes it kill the grass, so trying hardy types that you have to water less isn't going to help you. You need to water your grass to dilute the nitrogen content of their urine.

FWIW I'm a dog owner and I always pick up their crap. I wish the same could be said for cat owners whose cats shit in garden beds and spend the rest of their time trying to kill all the local wildlife in your garden, sometimes rather noisily early in the morning when you're trying to sleep.

Re:inconsiderate... (4, Insightful)

MiniMike (234881) | about a year ago | (#45574997)

Yesterday while raking my yard I saw a couple who *waited* for at least 10 mins for me to go inside. So they could let their dog piss on my yard eventually they gave up.

These are the kind of people that motion activated sprinklers were invented for.

Nothing else to do but whine? Try planning ahead! (-1, Troll)

nefus (952656) | about a year ago | (#45574173)

I don't live in condos or apartments for a variety of reasons. Several of them are because of the whining from property managers on a variety of issues, this is only one of them. Besides, why the heck do you allow animals if you aren't willing to put up with the results of your decision? Charge a fee for animals and pay somebody to come around and clean up the poop, there are services that do that very thing. Anyway,its nice to have the convenience of letting my dog poop in my own yard. Its good for the grass anyway, natural fertilizer.

Re:Nothing else to do but whine? Try planning ahea (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574205)

Not only that but those services are much less expensive than having poop samples sent off to a lab and analyzed.

I have two mastiffs and a guy does my entire acre for 15/week.

Re:Nothing else to do but whine? Try planning ahea (3, Insightful)

bigdavex (155746) | about a year ago | (#45574273)

Besides, why the heck do you allow animals if you aren't willing to put up with the results of your decision? Charge a fee for animals and pay somebody to come around and clean up the poop, there are services that do that very thing.

Dog poop on the lawn is a result of dogs and not picking up the poop. If the poop is cleaned any less often than continuously; people will step in, fall in, and roll through (with a wheel chair) dog poop. Owners should pick up dog poop from common spaces.

Re:Nothing else to do but whine? Try planning ahea (1)

BringsApples (3418089) | about a year ago | (#45574303)

You're right about how management should simply charge a fee to take care of the poo, spot on. And I wonder why they don't care about the urine, since it burns (kills) the grass. Also, dog poo isn't a good fertilizer at all.

Re:Nothing else to do but whine? Try planning ahea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45575045)

It's only bitches' urine that burns grass. No I don't know why.

Re:Nothing else to do but whine? Try planning ahea (4, Insightful)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#45574321)

Besides, why the heck do you allow animals if you aren't willing to put up with the results of your decision?

The owners are expected not to allow dog poop to remain where it's dropped. They're the ones failing in their responsbility. Unless the managers are DNA matching dogs to poop for their own amusement (we've all done it), I assume they're doing so in order to take action against the owners and force them to live up to their responsbilities as pet owners. That's hardly "putting up with it."

Re:Nothing else to do but whine? Try planning ahea (2)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year ago | (#45574401)

Anyway,its nice to have the convenience of letting my dog poop in my own yard.

And apparently you also think it's OK to let your dog poop on a communal yard. Your neighbors probably disagree.

The lawn at my apartment is for all the residents to enjoy, not just the dog owners.

Re:Nothing else to do but whine? Try planning ahea (2)

CubicleZombie (2590497) | about a year ago | (#45574467)

Its good for the grass anyway, natural fertilizer.

No, it isn't. The problem for the grass is the urine. It kills grass and, since dogs like to piss on each other's piss, it leaves whole patches of dead dirt.

My end-unit townhouse was where the whole neighborhood let their dogs defecate. We paid for a garbage can and little bags so the pet owners wouldn't even risk touching any, yet they still left the feces. Unless someone was watching, of course. My Saturday ritual was shoveling everybody's dog shit into a trash can so the stink wouldn't permeate my home. I'd even leave the shovel out in hopes that some considerate dog owner would help out, but no. I'd just find the shovel, handle down, in the can the next day.

I finally sold the house and moved away because of dogs. Well, not because of the dogs. Because of their rude, inconsiderate owners.

Re:Nothing else to do but whine? Try planning ahea (1)

nefus (952656) | about a year ago | (#45574611)

In your case I can see why it matters. You did plan ahead but didn't have the ability to force the issue. However vote me troll or not, I still think my suggestion will work in many cases. And No, I'm not pro poop-on-your-lawn. Mostly because its rude. Perhaps there should be a caveat that requires those owners to sign a contract that states they must pick up the poop.

People really need to get a life (1, Offtopic)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | about a year ago | (#45574187)

There are normal and civil ways to handle these kind of problems and certainly ways to do so with out resorting to such lengths.

Re:People really need to get a life (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | about a year ago | (#45574199)

There are normal and civil ways to handle these kind of problems

Which are...

Re:People really need to get a life (1)

khallow (566160) | about a year ago | (#45574435)

Have a place where the dogs can poop and hire someone to clean it up once a week.

Re:People really need to get a life (1)

pivo (11957) | about a year ago | (#45574459)

You don't live in a city, do you? That's a very expensive proposition where I live.

Re:People really need to get a life (1)

khallow (566160) | about a year ago | (#45575175)

You don't live in a city, do you? That's a very expensive proposition where I live.

There wouldn't be a lawn to poop on either. So you're not speaking of the problem I'm addressing.

Re:People really need to get a life (5, Insightful)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about a year ago | (#45574211)

The normal and civil thing is to pick up after your dog, rather than fouling communal space.

Re:People really need to get a life (2)

smooth wombat (796938) | about a year ago | (#45574349)

Naw, we can't do that. That would mean taking personal responsibility and we know that's an evil concept which shall never be mentioned.

Re:People really need to get a life (1)

LongearedBat (1665481) | about a year ago | (#45574645)

How's that off topic? I quite agree with parent. Talk about 1st World problems...!

Doesn't really help much (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574207)

Where I live, the HOA can get DNA tests of poop all it wants, the main culprits are non-residents. This is mainly for income through fines, not really enforcement.

It could be worse. One neighborhood in the town I live in is a gated community, and has restrictions on the cars residents can own. They have to be Acuras, Mercedes, BMWs, or another luxury brand, 5 year olders or newer. Anything else gets towed, and a $300 "eyesore" fee charged. The ironic thing is that I was there with a Freightliner van that I slapped Mercedes emblems on [1], and the enforcement crew [2] considered it an acceptable choice of vehicle.

[1]: Two Torx screws on the center van logo. The front grille would take a little bit more time, so I just parked the thing in frontwards when I was using it.

[2]: People who had "Enforcement patrol" badges on their cars stating their job was to force others to obey all speed limits by pulling out in front of people. Was amusing watching them just sit for stretches at a time just so they could pull out on someone.

Re:Doesn't really help much (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574337)

Daimler owns Freightliner, so not too much of a stretch...

Re:Doesn't really help much (2)

jabuzz (182671) | about a year ago | (#45574341)

That's just a stupid rule, as it would ban for example a mint condition Jaguar E-type which looks far nicer than any recent BMW or Mercedes. Even Enzo Ferrari called it "The most beautiful car ever made". The New York City Museum of Modern Art recognised the significance of the E-Type's design in 1996 by adding a blue roadster to its permanent design collection, one of only six automobiles to receive the distinction.

Re:Doesn't really help much (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#45574755)

Only really stupid people intentionally live in a HOA.

Profit! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574213)

1) Eat neighbor's dog
2) Poop on grass. DNA of neighbor's dog detected.
3) HOA collects fine from neighbor
4) Profit!

Re:Profit! (2)

GTRacer (234395) | about a year ago | (#45574819)

What does it say about me that I find this plan interesting? I would consider subscribing to your newsletter.

Science, Bitches! (1)

NonUniqueNickname (1459477) | about a year ago | (#45574227)

and male dogs

poop DNA trumps rape kit backlogs? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574281)

I guess we're really just a misogynist society.
Or is there something different about dog poop that makes it easier to identify this unwanted deposit more than your typical rape kit analyses?

Re:poop DNA trumps rape kit backlogs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574555)

What? I don't understand.

I'll write this from the assumption that you mean that you find it problematic that we can identify a dog given its poop, but we cannot charge a man given we can identify his sperm?

The catch is, even if we identify the man, the man does not have to be a rapist. If we identify the dog, we know for certain that that dog has pooped at that particular location where the poop was found (unless someone moved the poop). On the other hand, if we use sperm to identify a man, we can indeed identify to which man the sperm belongs to (if we can get dna samples) but WE CANNOT conclude from this information that the man is a rapist.

Re:poop DNA trumps rape kit backlogs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45575003)

WE CAN CONCLUDE the man left his sperm somewhere it may not have been wanted; chances are if someone's gone through the trouble to submit a rape kit there's reasonably good odds that the purported victim is in fact honestly asking for enforcement of the law and not just trying to get some poor innocent guy in trouble for the thrills.

Boys, keep it in your pants and then you don't have to worry about the crazy chicks trying to get you.

Re:poop DNA trumps rape kit backlogs? (1)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#45574857)

It's because there's profit in this, but sadly not in helping rape victims.

Which ultimately shows how fucked up society is.

Treating tenants like criminals (1)

mcelrath (8027) | about a year ago | (#45574289)

Wow, what a wonderful way to improve the already adversarial relationship between property managers and tenants. No thanks, I'll live elsewhere. If it were my building, I'd quietly have maintenance clean up any poop they found, and verbally remind tenants if they catch them in the act.

Re:Treating tenants like criminals (2)

EzInKy (115248) | about a year ago | (#45574381)

You are assuming you can find and afford maintenance people who are willing who are willing to quietely clean up poop, are you not? So come on! Put your money where your mouth is and start hiring a bunch or people willing to clean up whatever shit they run in to!

Re:Treating tenants like criminals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574391)

Spoken like a serial dogshit abandoneer. Civilized solutions only work with civilized people. I'll let you know when I find some.

Re:Treating tenants like criminals (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#45574449)

Wow, what a wonderful way to improve the already adversarial relationship between property managers and tenants.

I agree, it's a total dick move on the part of the lazy fucks who refuse to clean up after their dogs. Just think, if they'd be responsible adults and clean up after their pets, the managers wouldn't need to waste money on DNA testing, a cost which will inevitably be passed along to the other tenants.

Re:Treating tenants like criminals (-1, Offtopic)

mcelrath (8027) | about a year ago | (#45574531)

Because a dick measuring contest is the best way to resolve disputes. Everyone is being a dick here. Take the high road, don't be a dick.

Re:Treating tenants like criminals (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#45574737)

Because a dick measuring contest is the best way to resolve disputes. Everyone is being a dick here. Take the high road, don't be a dick.

I'm guessing by the context that you don't actually know what the phrase "dick measuring contest" means. Recommendation: Look it up so you can stop using it incorrectly (Hint: You can tell a DMC fairly easily - they often start with something akin to "Oh yea? Well...").

No, the people being dicks are the selfish assholes letting their dogs shit on someone else's property, and not cleaning it up. The property owners/managers are doing their jobs, protecting their property, and trying to give the tenants who aren't total selfish douche-nozzles an opportunity to use the green spaces without having to dodge fucking turd mines.

Having lived in apartments with a shared green space (and fellow tenants who refused to clean up after their pets), I'd take it a step further: place a clause in the lease that states after 3 incidents of having to clean up your dog's shit, you're evicted, on the spot. I bet the issue would self-resolve in a hurry.

Re:Treating tenants like criminals (-1, Troll)

mcelrath (8027) | about a year ago | (#45575127)

You've obviously never owned a dog. Sometimes your dog shits twice and you only have one bag. Sometimes you're rushing to work. Sometimes you can't find the shit.

Don't be a dick. This (and your) response is that of a psychopath.

Re:Treating tenants like criminals (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#45575247)

You've obviously never owned a dog. Sometimes your dog shits twice and you only have one bag. Sometimes you're rushing to work. Sometimes you can't find the shit.

Actually, I've always had dogs; the difference is, I actually take responsibility for my pets, unlike some folks.

Only have one bag? Use it twice. Rushing to work? No excuse for damaging someone else's property. Can't find the shit? Maybe you should be paying attention to your pet instead of finger-fucking your cell phone or whatever else you're distracted by.

Don't be a dick. This (and your) response is that of a psychopath.

That you think my belief that people should take responsibility for themselves (and, by extension, their pets) is the response of a "psychopath" proves several salient points for me: 1) you are apparently one of those selfish, irresponsible dicks who leaves shit lying around for other people to step in, and 2) you don't know what the term 'psychopath' means, either.

That, or you're getting defensive about me calling you on bad behavior, and thus are lashing out in a pathetic attempt to marginalize an opposing viewpoint. Either way, you're not helping yourself by continuing to respond with increasingly aggressive insults.

Try facts next time.

Re:Treating tenants like criminals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45575267)

Translation: I let my dog go just anywhere, and I never pick up, so screw you

Re:Treating tenants like criminals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574779)

It's only the dicks that don't have dog shit on their lawns.

Re:Treating tenants like criminals (1)

pivo (11957) | about a year ago | (#45574525)

We tried this in our building for years. Problems: It's expensive to have maintenance clean up the dog poop (and the dog owners actually complained about the additional expense) and it's almost impossible to catch them in the act since they only do it when nobody's around. It sucks to have to use doggy DNA, but it sucks more to step in dog shit walking out your front door.

Re:Treating tenants like criminals (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about a year ago | (#45574607)

As someone that lives in an apartment where about 1/8th the residents own dogs; the owners need shock collars of their own. Quite literally, they let their dogs shit on the sidewalks and parking lot. "Land-mines" galore! One of my neighbors created a morning ritual in which she lets her retriever piss on the stairway.

I'm convinced that if people can't be respectful and cleanup after their pets, they shouldn't be allowed to have children! Further more, the next time I see an owner actively let his/her dog pinch a loaf of the sidewalk, I will call them out on it shortly after recording the video. This video will be sent as an e-mail attachment to management!

Re:Treating tenants like criminals (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#45575093)

I lived in NYC for a few years, and was a bit taken aback by how people accept dogs shitting and peeing in the middle of the sidewalk. I assumed people had to "curb" their dog. With the number of dogs in NYC, the shit imprints all over the sidewalk soon cover almost the entire surface and make a kind of shit collage on the sidewalk, interrupted only by little rivers of dog piss. Very nice. At least they are banned from Central Park - that place would become uninhabitable very quickly if the dogs were allowed in.

Increasingly dangerous? (1)

gelfling (6534) | about a year ago | (#45574313)

Compared to what?

hmm (4, Insightful)

buddyglass (925859) | about a year ago | (#45574333)

This doesn't strike me as ridiculous at all. It would only be ridiculous if the apartment failed to build the cost of the DNA analysis service into the fines it assigns to offending dog owners.

I wonder how much it would cost to preemptively create a DNA database of all the dogs so you have a ready-to-go database for matching poop when its found. Then they wouldn't have to rely on humans "reporting" the offenders. Just get the poop, have it analyzed, and fine the owner.

Re:hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574975)

I know it's not common to RTFA (I didn't either), and TFS has more than a few grammatical errors and typos, but if you have any reading comprehension whatsoever, you'd know that the summary says they did exactly that. It cost them $60/dog. FFS.

Re:hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45575015)

My apartment building started doing this a few months back. All dogs need to be registered with PooPrints if they are living there so they have that database already. Pretty hefty fines if you are in violation, neighbor a few doors down got hit with it on their puppy.

Poop free, at least our sidewalk (5, Informative)

pivo (11957) | about a year ago | (#45574351)

I agree it's ridiculous to have to resort to doggy DNA but it's the only thing that finally forced dog owners in my building in Boston to stop letting their pets poop right in front of the building's door. Nobody wants to navigate a minefield of dog poop to get in or out of their home and it's incredibly frustrating and irritating that your fellow residents don't care enough to clean up after their dog.

What's really ridiculous is that Doggy DNA is necessary.

Re:Poop free, at least our sidewalk (3, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#45574875)

If it's at the door wouldn't CCTV on the building be far cheaper and easier?

It'd take what, 5 mins to rewind to the point of spotting it and recognising the resident no?

Re:Poop free, at least our sidewalk (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#45575001)

What's really ridiculous is that Doggy DNA is necessary.

The kind of person who would lock another person up in an unnatural environment for them for hours while they go make more money to pay for that environment just so someone will be nice to them when they get home is probably an asshole. If they weren't, they wouldn't have to enslave a dog in order to feel good about themselves. And before anyone says yeah but the dog enjoys serving humans, they'd enjoy serving them more in a better environment.

I'm not against people having pets, I'm against people using pets as an enabler for being a bad person. And people who will leave their pet's shit around for everyone else definitely exemplify that remark in a dramatically immediate fashion.

FINALLY! (1)

David Betz (2845597) | about a year ago | (#45574355)

I've been saying this for years. When they find the person, they need to just leave that poop on the owner's doorstep. No further penalty is required.

Re:FINALLY! (1)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about a year ago | (#45574777)

Or rub the owner's nose in it. It's supposed to work for dogs. I bet it would work much better on humans.

Re:FINALLY! (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#45575117)

This. It can even be voluntary if they'll waive the fine.

This is just a manifestation of passive-aggressive (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574425)

It's not the management company that's motivating this, it's the non-pet-owning tenants not wanting to be confrontational about it and demanding that the management "do something".

I doubt they will actually do this for enforcement.. It's an attention grabber instead. Here's why:

1) $60 to do the test is really expensive. A determined malefactor could financially break the system by just "seeding" the grounds with many targets. Targets composed of material from multiple sources.
2) I doubt they're using a collection system with legally enforceable traceability. Heck, law enforcement doesn't always do this right. Joe or Jane Doe groundskeeper sure isn't going to worry about it.
3) I doubt the DNA testing company is willing to certify their test results to the needed level. I have friends who have sent their dog's DNA in multiple times for breed identification and come back with different results (same saliva, same lab, etc.).

The first time an attorney with some spare time on his hands gets a "dog poop ticket", he or she will have a field day. So, Acme DNA labs, can we see your certified accuracy testing? Did you run a blank? How do you calibrate your equipment. The lab will have wisely put in their contract that they won't respond to this, so it's back to the management company and a he said/he said argument.

No management company wants to get in the middle of a tenant/tenant dispute, and they will quickly disengage and let the tenants fight it out among themselves.

Re:This is just a manifestation of passive-aggress (1)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | about a year ago | (#45574517)

It's not the management company that's motivating this, it's the non-pet-owning tenants not wanting to be confrontational about it and demanding that the management "do something".

I doubt they will actually do this for enforcement.. It's an attention grabber instead. Here's why:

1) $60 to do the test is really expensive. A determined malefactor could financially break the system by just "seeding" the grounds with many targets. Targets composed of material from multiple sources. 2) I doubt they're using a collection system with legally enforceable traceability. Heck, law enforcement doesn't always do this right. Joe or Jane Doe groundskeeper sure isn't going to worry about it. 3) I doubt the DNA testing company is willing to certify their test results to the needed level. I have friends who have sent their dog's DNA in multiple times for breed identification and come back with different results (same saliva, same lab, etc.).

The first time an attorney with some spare time on his hands gets a "dog poop ticket", he or she will have a field day. So, Acme DNA labs, can we see your certified accuracy testing? Did you run a blank? How do you calibrate your equipment. The lab will have wisely put in their contract that they won't respond to this, so it's back to the management company and a he said/he said argument.

No management company wants to get in the middle of a tenant/tenant dispute, and they will quickly disengage and let the tenants fight it out among themselves.

Make it part of the leasing contract. If the dog is yours, you pay the test costs plus the fine.This isn't a criminal case, it's civil at best; and the standard is preponderance of evidence, not reasonable doubt. The real issue is how do you identify the actual dog? It's not like you will have a sample of each dog on file, nor will it necessarily identify a breed let alone an actual individual pet. Although going to a dog park and collecting "samples" and seeding them has a lot of humor potential. How about sample storm a zoo as well?

Re:This is just a manifestation of passive-aggress (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574653)

FTA:
"Dog owners paid a one-time fee of $59.95 for the initial DNA testing for the database. Subsequent lab tests of dog droppings that end up identifying the offending animal result in a $50 testing fee plus a $100 fine."

First world vs third world (1)

codeButcher (223668) | about a year ago | (#45574521)

I couldn't help thinking about a break-in/home invasion I had about 7 years ago. Seems the perps waited in a patch that had some tall weeds at that time, in the back of my yard, until my lights went out (around midnight) plus 2 hours. I puzzled that together because the next morning while I was waiting for the detective, I did a walkabout and found the cigarette butts, plus some items that where taken from my house and subsequently discarded.

When the detective came, he dusted for some fingerprints (didn't get anything useful). On pointing out the cigarette butts, he stated that DNA samples where only taken in serious crimes like murder. Up to this day I have not heard a word back from the police and the roughly $150 worth of items (converted from local currency) have been kissed goodbye.

Well to be fair, I guess DNA tests have become cheaper in the last few years. I doubt that police efficiency or available man hours have increased though...

Re:First world vs third world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574799)

A home invasion for ONLY 'roughly $150 worth of items' ?!?!?!?!? Good lord, what sort of shit hole did you live in.

Just ban pets altogether (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574667)

Dogs may have had their purpose (hunting, protection) 200 years ago, but there is certainly no reason anyone (except government and law enforcement) needs to have dogs of their own.

Sound familar?

Re:Just ban pets altogether (1)

pahles (701275) | about a year ago | (#45574935)

How about banning Anonymous Cowards?

Wow (2)

sunking2 (521698) | about a year ago | (#45574669)

This rates as one of the worst leads into a story I've seen on here. Someone is trying way too hard.

Sounds like they ager getting paid to much... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year ago | (#45574707)

Time for tennants to start demanding lower rent, if they have so much profit they can screw around doing DNA testing on poop, they can hire someone part time to pick up the poop.

Some of these property managers are as bad as the old farts that police HOA's.

Re:Sounds like they ager getting paid to much... (2)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#45575183)

They are charging the dog owners, both for the initial test and for the forensics work later on.

Zombie dog walkers (1)

Carnivore24 (467239) | about a year ago | (#45574823)

A person who walks their dog really slow, most of the time with a limp. They look around real slow and bug eyed when the dog stops to take a dump hoping no one notices them and they can slowly slither away. Seriously do dog owners only take their dogs on walks to let them poop??? I thought dogs were supposed to get a lot of exercise.

From the building across the street (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45574833)

Too bad the offending dog is from another building.

Cheaper option: security cameras (2)

cyn1c77 (928549) | about a year ago | (#45574973)

Why not just put a security camera on the condo poop spaces?

It might help with crime too.

City of Vienna, anyone ? (1)

vikingpower (768921) | about a year ago | (#45575069)

I live close to the city of Vienna, Austria. It is famous in Europe for its campaign a Sackerl für mein Gackerl, literally "a baggie for my poopies". The accompanying media campaign initially played upon civic sense, and still exclusively plays upon civic sense: have a dog, walk it, wait for it to poo, scoop up poo with one of the free plastic bags provided everywhere in and around Vienna's green zones (parks etc. ). Works splendidly. Costs almost nothing. Poop problem solved.

Re:City of Vienna, anyone ? (1, Informative)

mcelrath (8027) | about a year ago | (#45575203)

Brilliant. Every time I've been forced to not pick up poop, it was because I didn't have a bag, not because I wanted to (and where possible I always go back and get it later). I've had my dog shit three times on one walk. I'm really tired of hearing "solutions" to problems created by psychopaths. This "solution" using poop and DNA utterly lacks empathy towards dog owners, and that's what psychopaths do. There are better ways.
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