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EV Owner Arrested Over 5 Cents Worth of Electricity From School's Outlet

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the charged-for-charging dept.

Crime 1010

sl4shd0rk writes "It seems you can be arrested in Georgia for drawing 5 cents of electricity from a school's outdoor receptacle. Kaveh Kamooneh was charged with theft for plugging his Nissan Leaf into a Chamblee Middle School 110V outlet; the same outlet one could use to charge a laptop or cellphone. The Leaf draws 1KW/hour while charging which works out to under $0.10 of electricity per hour. Mr Kamooneh charged his Leaf for less than 30 minutes, which works out to about a nickel. Sgt. Ernesto Ford, the arresting officer, pointed out, 'theft is a theft,' which was his argument for arresting Mr. Kamooneh. Considering the cost of the infraction, it does not seem a reasonable decision when considering how much this will cost the state in legal funds. Does this mean anyone charging a laptop or cell phone will be charged with theft as well?"

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No (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598399)

no to the last question

Henchman (3, Funny)

DudeTheMath (522264) | about a year ago | (#45598403)

He's obviously in the pocket of Big Oil.

Re:Henchman (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598673)

Well, he certainly has an agenda, though it's probably more along the lines of "thieving liberals!" than anything oilco-related. There's simply no way to justify his actions short of some personal bias... even if it's just that he's a jackbooted asshole.

Theft is theft, but... (4, Funny)

houstonbofh (602064) | about a year ago | (#45598419)

In most states, Theft under $5 is just a ticket... Theft under 5 cents is a PR nightmare. :)

Re:Theft is theft, but... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598503)

In most states, Theft under $5 is just a ticket...

Citation needed

Re:Theft is theft, but... (0)

SleazyRidr (1563649) | about a year ago | (#45598647)

I see what you did there.

More than theft (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598619)

A kilowatt load on a circuit while not unusual is also non trivial. It's plausibly increase the risk of fire in an old wire system particularly one exposed to the outdoor elements. And it's enough to trip a breaker if some other kilowatt load is present. Further this assumes the car itself is working properly. Finally the car owner could be electrocuted or electrocute someone else if the outlet or car is mid misconfugured, exposing the school to risk.

So he was wrong not to ask permission . The nickel is the least of the problens

Re:More than theft (4, Insightful)

Martin Blank (154261) | about a year ago | (#45598761)

It's about an 8.3A draw. It's not going to burn down the building, even if another such draw is happening. I'd be surprised if the breakers are rated for anything less than 25A, and wouldn't be surprised to see 40A breakers.

Re:More than theft (-1)

DFDumont (19326) | about a year ago | (#45598917)

It's a NEMA 5-15 or possibly NEMA 5-20 receptacle. So limit is 10A (average) draw before the breaker would trip (or 16A for a 20). There is no 40A receptacle.

Re:More than theft (1)

lagomorpha2 (1376475) | about a year ago | (#45598927)

This was in the United States. Our circuits are usually rated for 15A or for heavy duty circuits 20A.

Re:More than theft (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598899)

If anyone is going to jail about a fire hazard at a current the fuse will allow, it's probably the electrician or the owner of the property.

Re:Theft is theft, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598627)

Around here anything under $200 of value is just a night in jail.

Cop was "in his car"? (5, Interesting)

Pope (17780) | about a year ago | (#45598431)

from Ars:

"A short time later, he noticed someone in his car and went to investigate—and found that the man was a Chamblee police officer. "

So, cops just randomly enter other people's cars? I know I used to always lock mine if I wasn't in it.

Re:Cop was "in his car"? (4, Insightful)

Bob the Super Hamste (1152367) | about a year ago | (#45598633)

Sounds like an illegal search to me. Personally I would have called 911 and reported that there was someone in my vehicle who should be there. This way had it been someone dangerous the cops would be the ones dealing with it and in this case there would have been an audio recording of the event probably with the 911 dispatcher mentioning that the cop is who is in their car.

Re:Cop was "in his car"? (1)

Bob the Super Hamste (1152367) | about a year ago | (#45598663)

and of course I missed it when proof reading. Change :
who should be there
to:
who shouldn't be there

Re:Cop was "in his car"? (4, Insightful)

rubycodez (864176) | about a year ago | (#45598905)

not illegal to enter a vehicle being used in the commission of a crime in progress

yes this stealing of elecricity was wrong and illegal, electric vehicle owners have no right to plug in whereever they find an outlet.

Re:Cop was "in his car"? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598661)

> So, cops just randomly enter other people's cars?

Of course not. They pretend to see drugs on the floor of other people's cars, then perform a search of a suspect vehicle. Nothing random about it.

Re:Cop was "in his car"? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598693)

What I see is someone poking around a car... Guy walks up gets mad. Turns out guy poking around is cop. Yelling match ensues. Guy arrested for whatever the cop can think of.

That's news to me!! (1)

BLToday (1777712) | about a year ago | (#45598435)

I didn't know a Leaf can use regular 110V using standard outlet.

Re:That's news to me!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598563)

portable charging unit.

Re:That's news to me!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598671)

most EV's can but they take longer to charge this way

Math is math (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598445)

Too much to expect from some people in charge.

Theft is theft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598449)

And stupid people is stupid people, what are you going to do?

Theft (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598461)

Stealing is stealing. Was it his? Was there a sign saying come use our free power? Is it ok for me to walk up to your house and plug in my car or device to an outside outlet? I am not sure the guy needed to be arrested, a ticket and fine would be in order. BUT it's only a nickel... Yea... Tell that to the store when you steal 5 cents worth of candy, not that any candy is 5 cents anymore... But my point stands.

Re:Theft (1, Funny)

schwit1 (797399) | about a year ago | (#45598565)

Right. Lets ticket everyone that takes a drink from the water fountain too.

Re:Theft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598651)

You can't see the difference?

Re:Theft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598813)

Nope. Want to keep people from accessing something, don't make it open to be accessed.

Re:Theft (1)

number17 (952777) | about a year ago | (#45598687)

And sell toilet paper outside the washroom.

Re:Theft (5, Insightful)

alexander_686 (957440) | about a year ago | (#45598699)

Well, the water fountain was designed and installed for free water. And there are outlets in public places for free electricity to top off one’s phone. But I don’t think that was the case here. I see this as more akin to your next door neighbor running an extension line over to your home to borrow a little electricity – and failing to tell you. It might be for only a small amount but it is not good behavior. I think that a stern warning might have been better unless it was a chronic problem.

Re:Theft? (4, Interesting)

Jaywalk (94910) | about a year ago | (#45598797)

So what was the outlet there for? If it's on a public building but not meant for public use, it should have been secured, either by locking it or having it shut off inside the building. Actually, the drinking fountain comment is a good point. Obviously, a drinking fountain is there for public use. But what if it's just a faucet? Is getting a drink from a drinking fountain okay, but not a faucet? Is charging a phone okay, but not a car? Where is the line here?

Other than the obviously boneheaded ignorance highlighted by the amounts involved, there needs to be more clarity on which public facilities are available to the public and which are reserved for the institution.

Re:Theft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598871)

Stealing may be stealing, but theft isn't theft. The law makes provisions for the magnitude of the theft...how much is stolen is very relevant. Grand theft carries a larger penalty than petty theft which, in turn, has greater penalties than a misdemeanor shoplifting charge.

It would surprise me if theft of $0.05 resulted in anything beyond a fine. A 1000x fine ($50) should be plenty effective in ensuring that he never does it again.

WRONG UNITS IDIOT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598463)

Should have read 1Kwatt hour / hour.

Unless it really is steadily increasing it's draw by 1Kwatt every hour.
Unless after 12 hours, it's draws 12Kwatt.

Re:WRONG UNITS IDIOT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598649)

Thank you. I was worried this had been missed on this nerd site.

Re:WRONG UNITS IDIOT (Pedants' corner now open) (2)

DrNoNo (976214) | about a year ago | (#45598709)

1] 1kWatt hour/ hour is 1kWatt, of course.

2] It is a kWatt, abbreviated kW, not a Killowatt or Kw. The unit Watt is named after a person and all units named after people have an initial capital - and the abbreviation is also a capital. Multipliers of 10^6 or greater are capitalised. multipliers of 10^-3 or less are lower case. 'k' and 'kilo' for 10^3 is the odd one out, being lower case.

If anyone chooses to criticise the placing of the apostrophe in "Pedant's", bear in mind that if you post here, you will make the apostrophe correctly placed.

Re:WRONG UNITS IDIOT (Pedants' corner now open) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598903)

> 'k' and 'kilo' for 10^3 is the odd one out, being lower case.

It might not be a standard prefix, but 'h'/'hecto' for 10^2 is lowercase as well.
And 'deka' (10) seems to be to be lowercase as well, but two letters: 'da'

If somone plugged their anything ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598469)

If someone plugged something - anything - into MY outside outlet without permission, I'd be pissed.

Good (1, Insightful)

lambent (234167) | about a year ago | (#45598475)

I'm getting pretty tired of seeing extension cords snaking through parking lots and parking garages.

I don't think the issue here is just five cents; some places can't handle the capacity this puts on their systems or wiring, or perhaps they don't want the liability of you screwing up your car thanks to faulty wiring, and suing you for it. And hell, what if some bright person uses a cord that's too light of a gauge for the current, and ends up starting a fire or hurting someone?

Charging should be done where appropriate, not wherever anyone wants.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598683)

And the whole grid will be taxed beyond capacity if they do not generate more, which is impossible with the greens block all new power construction.

Re:Good (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598721)

God forbid you deny anything to the "oppressed" or the self-entitled. I expect you'll be flamed and modded down here since /. is full of communists.

Re:Good (1)

number17 (952777) | about a year ago | (#45598867)

I'm getting pretty tired of seeing extension cords snaking through parking lots and parking garages.

I wondered how I would power an electric in my underground (no outlets) and have yet to see the extension cord snaking where I live. I assumed that the parking lot/garage would just forbid it by unplugging or cutting those extensions.

Racial profiling. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598485)

The officer needs repremanded in any case.

Re:Racial profiling. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598821)

Yeah, because that's going to happen...

Before we get a OMG about this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598497)

Lets put this all in prespective, he knew what he was doing. I'm sure he's done it before and not been caught. He was trying to fill up the tank of his car for free. He just happened to run into a dumb ass cop that really didn't handle it right at all. But anyone who says this isnt theft isn't putting two and two together.

Re:Before we get a OMG about this (1)

Martin Blank (154261) | about a year ago | (#45598837)

It is theft, but the damages involved are inconsequential. A formal warning by the officer to not do it again would have been a better solution.

Its the same if he swiped a nickel candy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598499)

Which could possibly still exist in Georgia somewhere, but the idea of theft being a chargeable offense that the state will act against is the founding principle of government. It isn't for the cop to decide which law to enforce or what line exists, if they have such guidelines it would be by legislature or policy shaped by their own local government.

Don't be a douche and steal electricity. Ask first. Especially if it is a weird electricity hog and yes 1kW is still a hog compared to most chargers.

Spin that door (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598501)

FTFA:
>"A theft is a theft," Sgt. Ford said. When asked if he'd make the arrest again, he answered: "Absolutely."

Perfect, he's plainly instructed that I use my rights as a citizen to have my citizen-serving government corrected, getting my law enforcement institutions reformed and his pathetic ass fired.

>rights as a citizen
>citizen-serving government
>citizens affect government
>law serves public
These ARE all still true, right?

Re:Spin that door (1)

imikem (767509) | about a year ago | (#45598675)

You're new to this planet, I take it.

Dimensional analysis... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598505)

Obligatory comment pointing out that kW is power, kW*hour is energy, and kW/hour is...something else.

Re:Dimensional analysis... (1)

BigMike (122378) | about a year ago | (#45598595)

kW/hour is ... how you get billed

Re:Dimensional analysis... (1)

guibaby (192136) | about a year ago | (#45598677)

KW*h not KW/h

Re:Dimensional analysis... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598691)

kW/hour is ... how you get billed

Maybe if you are a duck. But kW is not short for "kWack, kWack, kWack".

The electricity bills are something else and hopefully rather contain kWh with no slash anywhere.

Re:Dimensional analysis... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598725)

NO. You get billed in kWh, not kW/h.

FFS! This is simple stuff people...

Officer's No Risk Employment Boost (4, Insightful)

BoRegardless (721219) | about a year ago | (#45598511)

He has virtually zero risk in such an arrest.

He enhances his standing, knows he'll get a conviction and won't face a drunken driver or armed robber. Easy hit for his weekly arrest and ticket actions.

This sounds racist (3, Insightful)

Jharish (101858) | about a year ago | (#45598521)

I bet if the "suspect" was named "John Smith" and white he might not have been arrested.

I'm surprised that didn't make it into the summary.

Re:This sounds racist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598711)

*thud* That was the sound of your knee-jerking...

Re:This sounds racist (1, Insightful)

cowwoc2001 (976892) | about a year ago | (#45598745)

Unlikely. There is no evidence that the cop saw the defendant before entering his car and preparing the paperwork to fine/arrest him.

Re:This sounds racist (0)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | about a year ago | (#45598791)

I bet if the "suspect" was named "John Smith" and white he might not have been arrested.

I'm surprised that didn't make it into the summary.

To add more quotes for you, it's called "Race Baiting."

Re:This sounds racist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598831)

I bet if the "suspect" was named "John Smith" and white he might not have been arrested.

I'm surprised that didn't make it into the summary.

Yep, white people are just gunning for people of color. Why just the other day, I saw a black person sneeze. I called the cops stating that, "I'm being threatened by germ warfare! HELP ME!" and the cops showed up, tazered the black person, patted me on the back for saving America, and proceded to take said black person to jail for endangering the American way Of Life (AOL).

Now, what we need to do is eliminate these pesky British people who cum all over here and speak in their accents and sound all so "intelligent"! They won't cum on me!!

We really NEED to stop this British affluence on our population!

Not money, precedent. (5, Insightful)

Wdomburg (141264) | about a year ago | (#45598537)

I suspect it is about establishing precedent and combating the idea that EV owners are entitled to "free" power, not about recovering costs in this specific incident.

Re:Not money, precedent. (3, Interesting)

rubycodez (864176) | about a year ago | (#45598841)

I agree with the arrest, you don't get to plug in your car or arc welder into someone else's outlet

Power to the People! (1)

schlachter (862210) | about a year ago | (#45598907)

For free!

Water (4, Insightful)

Dimwit (36756) | about a year ago | (#45598549)

If he filled up his thermos with water from the bathroom sink, would that be theft as well?

Re:Water (4, Informative)

lunchlady55 (471982) | about a year ago | (#45598783)

If a stranger was using my outdoor hose / spigot without asking, I might have something to say about it.

Re: filled 17 gallon jugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598929)

Using the non-residentical water costs listed for Augusta, Georgia here: http://www.augustaga.gov/index.aspx?NID=775 (150 miles from Chamblee, GA)

Five cents would be equivalent to him having filled up 17 one-gallon jugs of water.

kw/hour? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598551)

How many furlongs per fortnight is that?

FFS.

Re:kw/hour? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598823)

Or should I say, furlongs per fortnight per fortnight.

That's the night the lights went out in Georgia. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598557)

The Georgia patrol was making their rounds
So he fired a shot just to flag em down
A big bellied sheriff grabbed his gun and said
"Why'd you do it?"

Theft of services (4, Interesting)

nharmon (97591) | about a year ago | (#45598559)

Does this mean anyone charging a laptop or cell phone will be charged with theft as well?

Yes, they certainly will. [newser.com]

Maybe (2)

lagomorpha2 (1376475) | about a year ago | (#45598567)

There is a type of resistance to authority, whose name escapes me at the moment, in which the person protesting follows every rule down to the most mundane detail as a way to stop productivity. It's hard to punish people for because they aren't actually breaking any rules, they're following ALL of them. Maybe the cop was protesting against the massively defective legal system by being this pedantic?

Nah, he was probably just taking out his frustration on one of them tree huggers. But a man can dream.

Re:Maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598707)

There is a type of resistance to authority, whose name escapes me at the moment, in which the person protesting follows every rule down to the most mundane detail as a way to stop productivity.

Work to rule.

Re:Maybe (2)

SleazyRidr (1563649) | about a year ago | (#45598743)

"Work to rule" is how I've heard it referenced in the past. Follow every rule exactly as it is written and watch the people who wrote them (or enforce them) squirm.

I agree with you, though, that this is probably not a case of that.

Re:Maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598815)

malicious compliance?

Re:Maybe (1)

jcochran (309950) | about a year ago | (#45598827)

I believe the term you're looking for is 'White Mutiny'

Brown-Sounding Name (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598579)

He should have been more careful, with that brownish name. That type of person isn't appreciated in 'MERICA.

More equal than others (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598589)

>Kaveh Kamooneh was charged
>Kaveh Kamooneh

He sounds sooooo white.

-AC.J9ma6

Georgia, where cars ride with confederate flags (-1, Offtopic)

JoeyRox (2711699) | about a year ago | (#45598607)

Lucky the car owner wasn't black otherwise he'd be shot in the back with the officer accusing him of using the car's electrical plug as a weapon.

De minimis principle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598611)

De minimis [wikipedia.org] it comes from the roman law "minimis non curat praetor".
Basically it means "The praetor does not concern himself with trifles".

Re:De minimis principle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598755)

De minimis non curat praetor principle in the court [strasbourgobservers.com] I found this article, it seems they they don't get f* up with this stuff in Europe and I know they don't arrest people for small shit in Brazil as well. Sorry Americans but I have to say, your country is fucked up in yet another way.

Units (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598623)

My Chevy only draws 120Volts / second

A theft is a theft (4, Insightful)

guibaby (192136) | about a year ago | (#45598637)

But there should be a certain amount of common sense when enforcing the law. First did the school complain? If the school did not complain, did the officer ask the school if there was an issue? If there was an issue, I am sure the officer or the school could have approached the man and asked him to stop using their plug. They could even post a sign saying "please do not use our plugs to charge your devices." All of this would have been cheaper, more effective and infinitely less hostile than arresting the guy.

Historical Perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598639)

From a traditonal car owners point of view, seeing an electric car absorb a half hour's worth of 'refueling' is like themselves filling their gas tank for a half hour. ZOMG abuse! This is why the observers freaked out. They just don't have any perspective of trickle-charge.

Don't expect the cop to know how much was stolen (5, Insightful)

mc6809e (214243) | about a year ago | (#45598659)

Okay. So WE all know it was just $0.05 after the fact, but put yourself in the place of the cop. Someone has a 1+ ton electrical machine plugged into an outlet. Just how much energy is being taken? Without knowing the power, the cop has no idea.

To the cop or average person, the electrical cord is analogous to a siphon.

Anyone caught siphoning gas from a government car into their own car is going to be arrested. This looks like the same thing to the cop.

Re:Don't expect the cop to know how much was stole (1)

Nexus7 (2919) | about a year ago | (#45598801)

So it's OK for the cop to not have some understanding of the crime he is charging someone with?

Re:Don't expect the cop to know how much was stole (2)

janeuner (815461) | about a year ago | (#45598805)

The judgement of the responding officer was to file a report. Sensible enough. The arrest happened a week later.

RTFA. This opinion is not applicable.

Re:Don't expect the cop to know how much was stole (1)

fsck101 (3029897) | about a year ago | (#45598859)

Okay. So WE all know it was just $0.05 after the fact.

No, no we don't know that. That's what the thief claims. The officer said he had no idea how long the car had been charging.

Correction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598701)

"The Leaf draws 1KW/hour while charging..."

The kW unit is already a unit of power (energy/time), so kW-per-hour doesn't make sense. Perhaps the Leaf draws 1kW while charging, so over one hour that is 1kWh of electricity which does cost in the order of 10 cents.

Water is not free (1)

cyberspittle (519754) | about a year ago | (#45598705)

Beware of water faucets too. Why were the electrical outlets not secured. It is tempting to use. In most places where homeowners have swimming pools, they are required to have gate around pool and warning signs. Lack of warning signs at electrical outlet (warning about prosecution - like shoplifter signs) and no physical security is asking for trouble. Good thing no one was hurt.

Re:Water is not free (1)

ledow (319597) | about a year ago | (#45598891)

Do you have a warning sign on your external electrical sockets at home (e.g. in the garden?)

Do you have a warning sign on your garden sprinklers?

Do you have a warning sign on the bulb in your porch?

No. It's not yours, don't take it. Ask first, and 99.9% of the time if it's reasonable it'll be a Yes. And if it's ever a No, then you really DON'T want to have been doing it to that person's house anyway as they'd probably have you arrested if you were caught no matter what (i.e. they said No for a reason, or they said No because they never want you to do that and they'd kick up a fuss if they ever found our you did).

I put a padlock on things FOR ME. To stop deliberate theft that would inconvenience me. Just because something doesn't have a sign or a lock does NOT mean you can just walk up and use/take it (take, for example, someone putting a "Help Yourself" sign on my car, and then someone takes it - that's still theft!)

And no matter what the case, if you just asked first, it wouldn't have been a problem.

1KW/hour? (1)

jcbarlow (166225) | about a year ago | (#45598715)

1KW/hour makes no sense. The Watt is a unit of power; that is energy transfer per unit time. The "/hour" is just silly and shows the writer's ignorance.

Re:1KW/hour? (1)

jabuzz (182671) | about a year ago | (#45598833)

It turns it back into Joules and thus is a measure of actual energy used. I would point out that here in the U.K. electricity is sold by the kW/hour, that being one unit.

Electric chair! (1)

linear a (584575) | about a year ago | (#45598717)

Give him the chair!

If the cop were serious about the arrest... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598733)

If the cop were serious about the arrest he would also have been charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.

Theft (-1, Flamebait)

ledow (319597) | about a year ago | (#45598759)

So, he admits theft. He had intention and permanently deprived a school of something that was theirs and they were required to pay for, and which they had not authorised.

I don't care if it was 5c or $500, he did something he shouldn't have. And the repercussions of his actions may have been greater - I work in schools and I can't leave trailing leads on the ground, I have to be careful not to overload circuits that are sometimes not even capable of providing the local 13A maximum without fusing things (but yet checked regularly and are legal). And he plugged it in and walked off, so there's no telling what might have happened - electrical fire, overloaded the circuit and cut off the alarm or some other important system, etc. and it's possible nobody would have known until he returned to his car.

Sorry, but you just can't do this. Try doing it in someone's house. I have an external socket on my house for powering garden tools - see what happens if you try to plug your car into it for even a microsecond. I guarantee you that it won't be worth your while. I have a lock on mine, but I have little reason to - using it without my express permission is theft whether it has a lock on or not.

You can whine as much as you want - as with anything, if you wouldn't have done it if the policeman was just standing right there watching you do it, there's a reason for that. You knew it was wrong and thought that nobody would mind and you'd just get away with it.

And you know what the biggest bitch of the whole story is? In any school I've ever worked in, if you'd just asked the caretaker / a school representative if you could do it first (like all our PTA and parents do when they want to do something on school premises, even outside of school hours or when they've paid for the hall inside), they'd probably have just said Yes. Hell, they'll put the extension leads out for you and make sure it's safe and using a safe socket and that the leads can't be tripped over if you ask nicely.

It pisses me off that people think that just because "it's only a few cents" (or only "a couple of mph", or "only for a minute"), that excuses that they knew it was wrong and deliberately chose to do it anyway.

If you wouldn't have done it at a random stranger's house, why would you do it at your children's school without asking?

11 days later with super over kill (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#45598793)

This seems like overkill and that is having the cop come to your door (much less the jail part) when a letter / ticket works better.

what about people who plug in phones / laptops? Wi (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#45598817)

what about people who plug in phones / laptops? Will we start hulling them off to jail as well? What about homeless people who may do this just to get into jail?

Also what about at the airport lot's of people plug in there and lot's of airports are city / local government owned will they track you down and use extradition to have you come back? put out an warrant?

So does this apply to all energy "theft"? (1, Interesting)

EvilSS (557649) | about a year ago | (#45598863)

What about if someone trespasses in my business or residence while the heat is on? Can I get them charged with theft for taking the thermal energy from the air that I paid to put there (along with trespassing charges/etc)? Or adding their body heat and thus incrementally increasing my cooling costs in the summer? What if they use a solar charger in my (let's say windowless for the sake of argument) building while the lights are on? Can I have them charged for stealing my photons?

depends on how you classify it (1)

gerardrj (207690) | about a year ago | (#45598877)

In AZ theft of service is a felony regardless of cost. Jump out of a taxi without paying your $2.50 fare and it's still a felony.
So... is electric a service or a product?
Since you can't possess or store it I think the law considers it a service (You start and stop your electric service). If GA, like AZ, considers theft of service a felony then the arrest makes perfect sense.

why is this here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#45598897)

First "The Leaf draws 1KW/hour"

It is either 1kW or 1kWh/h

second, if you think this is bad, can people just plug into your outlets and help themselves? If not why should they be allowed to at a school?

a Leaf takes about 1.5kW (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | about a year ago | (#45598901)

12A/110V.

Not 1kW.

I don't know about arrested, but this kind of situation has to be controlled. It's super easy to blow a circuit breaker charging an EV off a 110V outlet. And some outlets where the wires aren't connected well will heat up and that can be a problem.

Let's see more EVSEs installed and then we won't have to worry about this issue. And maybe we can charge a little quicker too.

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