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Ask Slashdot: Best FLOSS iTunes Replacement In 2013?

timothy posted about 8 months ago | from the see-I-already-have-a-file-hierarchy dept.

Music 317

First time accepted submitter cs80 writes "I've been looking high and low for a decent, open-source, cross-platform audio player that can import an existing iTunes library and sort my files based on their ID3 tags. Nightingale, with its iTunes-like interface, would have been the obvious answer, but its file organization feature was pulled for being too buggy. What open-source audio player did you migrate to after dumping iTunes?"

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317 comments

You could always... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624133)

You could always just use iTunes, if you want something like iTunes.

Re:You could always... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624139)

winamp always worked for me. So simple, so tiny...

Re:You could always... (5, Insightful)

Lisias (447563) | about 8 months ago | (#45624231)

winamp always worked for me. So simple, so tiny...

So missed. :-(

Re:You could always... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624527)

SO TINE SO MIST SO WOW!

Re:You could always go to Africa... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624571)

winamp always worked for me. So simple, so tiny...

So missed. :-(

You know what i never ever miss? NIGGERS!!

Re:You could always go to Africa... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624751)

Yay for tellascopic sites!

Re:You could always... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624665)

Last time I used iTunes was more than a decade ago. I haven't seen a need for it since then, so can anyone explain why I (or anyone else) would need a replacement for it?

There are already many decent FOSS music players around, so what is it about this particular Apple product that has it on the front page of Slashdot?

Re:You could always... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624715)

Because it holds the key to millions of people's music that they paid for?
I know its stupid, but people buy music on iTunes, so they don't have another way to access(and organize) their music without this question being answered.
Now, if you had bothered to read the question, you'd have noticed the asker is trying to get away from iTunes, but you don't care about that you just want to sound superior so why not go into the woods and yell at some small animals if its so fuckin important?

Re:You could always... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624773)

You realise that the iTunes Music Store sells standard AAC audio with no DRM, right?

Re:You could always... (4, Informative)

adamstew (909658) | about 8 months ago | (#45624777)

Because it holds the key to millions of people's music that they paid for?

The iTunes Music Store hasn't sold a song with DRM since April of 2009. Anyone who ever bought any song, that was DRM'd off the iTunes store is able to download a free DRM-free replacement anytime by logging in to their iTunes account...so long as that music is still currently for sale on the iTunes store. Heck, that replacement copy will even be upgraded to 256kbps quality too! If the music is still not for sale on the iTunes store, then anyone can use the good-old-fashioned burn and re-rip method to remove the DRM.

From Australia (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624135)

A little program called Ashes [cricket.com.au] !

Foobar 2000 (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624145)

It's annoying, and a bit weird, but it works and can play FLAC. It's also gotten better than it used to be, I don't worry nearly as much about losing all my playlists now. Which is good because there's not really a central "library" where you can just look at everything : (

Honestly though, I'm not sure there's such a thing as truly "good" music software. Just one you know how to use so you stick with it.

Re:Foobar 2000 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624345)

Not exactly a ringing endorsement...

Re:Foobar 2000 (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624407)

You've never used foobar2000, have you? I have used it for years and wouldn't imagine using anything else. It is completely user customizable and I have never "lost" a playlist. And yes, there is a central, user sortable media library in foobar2000. It's one of the core features.

Nice troll though.

Re:Foobar 2000 (1)

TheP4st (1164315) | about 8 months ago | (#45624521)


Foobar2000. The only piece of software I really miss after moving to Linux. Simple but effective GUI, crazily customizable and low on resources, Clementine which I use now is a good replacement but still there are times when I miss Foobar.

Re:Foobar 2000 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624537)

There is also a third party plugin for foobar that will allow you to copy songs off an iPod. That's the best way I've found to migrate from iTunes.

Re:Foobar 2000 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624581)

There is also a third party plugin for foobar that will allow you to copy songs off an iPod. That's the best way I've found to migrate from iTunes.

I find that never doing business with Apple under any circumstances will neatly avoid such problems as "how to migrate from proprietary walled-garden shite". But hey, people like you just gotta do things the hard way, eh?

iTunes (3, Funny)

issicus (2031176) | about 8 months ago | (#45624149)

just give up, like the rest of us...

Re:iTunes (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624327)

There is nothing really wrong with iTunes. Unless you're a hopeless open source free software dork who has been influenced by other Slashdorks.

Re:iTunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624343)

version 11 is everything wrong with itunes, but if you are lucky enough to freeze your updates at 10 its still pretty decent player.

Re:iTunes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624705)

It amazes me that anyone would actually install any version past 10.

I don't use iTunes, I use Coverflow, and iTunes just happened to be the box that Coverflow came in.

If upgrading means losing the one and only feature I was interested in, then I'm not going to upgrade.

Re:iTunes (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624439)

I tried iTunes once. It installed crapware (Safari) and destroyed the file names of my entire music library, all without asking. I removed every trace of it right then and restored a backup of my music.

From what I did use of it, it was slow and had the worst UI I have ever seen. The only reason anyone should ever used iTunes is if they are forced to (they own an iPod or iPhone) or if they are an idiot.

iTunes-exclusive recording artists (1)

tepples (727027) | about 8 months ago | (#45624655)

The only reason anyone should ever used iTunes is if they are forced to (they own an iPod or iPhone)

Owning an iDevice isn't the only thing that forces one to use iTunes. A lot of recording artists sell their music on iTunes but not Google or Amazon. Good luck finding, say, "Bück dich" by Rammstein; all you get on Amazon MP3 (U.S.) or Google Play Music (U.S.) are cover versions.

Re:iTunes (0, Troll)

phayes (202222) | about 8 months ago | (#45624681)

How surprising. An idiot without the courage to post under his own name who neither knows how to uncheck the box asking if he'd like safari installed nor uncheck the box telling iTunes to copy files to it's library. All he knows how to do is whine...

Re:iTunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624717)

iTunes is free too you dumbshit. Stop saying "dork" you don't know what it means. Saying it makes you it.

Re:iTunes (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624367)

just give up, like the rest of us...

Do I really need to be logged into some sort of online store (rife with non-stop ads mind you) with my credit card information attached to simply listen to my music collection?

Short answer? No one does.

Sorry, don't feel like "give up" has any sort of justification behind it for the 95% of people who use 5% of iTunes functionality in exchange for zero privacy.

And yeah, I do have reasons to want privacy there. You should too, before Obamacare determines that based on your listening/viewing habits, you have an "unhealthy" lifestyle that you now pay more for.

Go ahead and laugh at such insanity as the new Amazon drone delivers your next package...no one saw that shit coming either.

Re:iTunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624377)

Do I really need to be logged into some sort of online store (rife with non-stop ads mind you) with my credit card information attached to simply listen to my music collection?

No... Does iTunes enforce this? No.

best solution (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624155)

fuck your iTunes library. Set up mpd with a decent client like ncmpcpp. Light years ahead of Apple bloatware.

Clementine Player (5, Interesting)

cl0secall (449952) | about 8 months ago | (#45624157)

... is what I went to after ditching iTunes. In addition to getting the podcast(s) I subscribe to, it plays Grooveshark and Digitally Imported in the same playlists as my local files.

Re:Clementine Player (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 8 months ago | (#45624293)

Bummer, I was all excited to try it on debian and all I get is a blank screen and a never-ending stream of:

X Error: BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter) 128
unknown Extension: 129 (MIT-SHM)

So, it won't work on remote X, or VNC, or xpra, etc.

Re:Clementine Player (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624341)

clementine is pretty nice except for a few problems that impacted my use.

* massive memory leak after a few hours of play
* attempted to write files to fat32 devices with invalid characters... when it failed it failed silently.
* refused to allow me to put a compiliation album in the album list of the artist that released it. A perfect example of this is Rob Zombie who released several of the songs under White Zombie and as such they get their own track artist. Nope.. shoved in combo up at the top of the list... force it out and it gets split into both Rob and White Zombie below. This could easily be overlooked if they were gracious enough to let me show a tree based on the directories the files are in.

Re:Clementine Player (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624427)

Clementine has a few other problems:

* Its performance is very poor when manually going next/next/next to find a song you want to hear. For a large playlist there's significant lag - do the shuffling too fast and it'll briefly lock up.

* It doesn't properly support Unicode in its tags. Often the Unicode tags just don't get printed, which sucks.

I use Winamp and it can do everything and has no weaknesses (which isn't a surprise given the amount of time it's been around). Unfortunately Clementine is not even in the same ballpark, however it is a youngish project and still has a lot of potential. If you're unfortunate enough to be stuck on Linux, it's probably the most featured player available.

Re:Clementine Player (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624395)

after using amarok 1 for quite some time, i tried to use amarok 2 daily for 3 months or so. gave up, went with clementine.

clementine is still missing some features i liked/used in amarok 1.4 (filter helper), some features do not work as well (song adding in dynamic mode) and there are some slightly annoying bugs (song metadata not changed in the internal db if you change it from the playlist) - but overall it is a great player.

thanks to the clementine team :)

(stupid slashdot, can't log in for some reason)

Re:Clementine Player (2)

Richard_J_N (631241) | about 8 months ago | (#45624597)

I agree. Clementine just works, and stays out of your way otherwise. It responds quickly to external changes to the library (using inotify).
For me, my music collection is a set of well-ordered files/directories, each with a .m3u playlist and appropriate tags. (The Unix "everything is a file" approach works well here). Then the music player is just for playback, for playing them, and not for editing tags (use easytag), ripping CDs (a shell-script), nor for buying music (CD store).

Re:Clementine Player (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 8 months ago | (#45624641)

I actually quite like Amarok. The sorting, searching and filtering work really well, and I like the Lyrics display as well. The only thing I'm having trouble with is getting it to work as a DAAP client. It sees the source and songs, but won;t play them.

screw itunes (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624167)

Get rid of your babby duck syndrome and graduate to a real music player.

Screw importing your proprietary iTunes library file, just set up mpd by pointing it at your music library. Then, get a nice client like ncmpcpp. Congrats, you have a much more powerful music solution than Apple's bloatware.

I use mpd to stream music to my phone, and the client (mpdclient) is able to control mpd and do things like edit the playlist. Works awesome, and iTunes will never come close to this.

Re:screw itunes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624279)

How many times are you going to re-write and re-post? It's pretty obvious.

Re:screw itunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624335)

whoops, i wrote the first comment on my phone and since it didn't ask for a catchpa i assumed it didn't post

so i came to my desktop and rewrote it in a better format. SO SUE ME

Re:screw itunes (3, Funny)

ArbitraryName (3391191) | about 8 months ago | (#45624523)

How is babby duck formed?

Re: screw itunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624659)

They need to do way instain hen.

Re:screw itunes (1)

mcneely.mike (927221) | about 8 months ago | (#45624685)

By doing it ducky style! :)

But watch the dingoes don't eat your babby...

Re:screw itunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624579)

ncmpcpp looks like it was written in the 80s. Everyone else has moved on from all text interfaces, come into the 21st century you'll enjoy it here.

WinAmp...It Really Kicks a Llama's Ass (1)

VTBlue (600055) | about 8 months ago | (#45624171)

Download it before the llama dies.

alternativeto.net (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624175)

http://alternativeto.net/software/itunes/ has several suggestions
http://www.foobar2000.org/
or perhaps http://www.atunes.org/

So fix it yourself. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624197)

"FLOSS" software users blow my mind.

You people expect shit for free, but then refuse to put in any kind of effort to contribute to the project when something doesn't do what you want (or the way you think it should). Isn't the whole point of open source software so that you can contribute and make things better? Don't tell me that the point of OSS projects is so that you can "see the source code if you want". That's not the point- if you don't have the skills to actually work on an OSS project, you're not going to be able to read and understand the source code anyways. At that point, you might as well just use whatever commercial product there is out there (like iTunes) that does what you want, and the deal with the fact that it's "closed source".

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of this attitude of "I'm a 'FLOSS' user, this software sucks, what else can I use?". You are not entitled to functioning open source software. If you don't like the application the way it is, fix it. If you don't have the skills to do that, then submit feature requests to the developer. If the developer refuses (or the project is abandoned), tough shit. OSS communities do not exist to ensure that you have the software you need the way you want it.

Re:So fix it yourself. (1)

Beez Lionmane (2875411) | about 8 months ago | (#45624693)

Why reinvent the wheel? If something already exists that has the functionality you want, there's not much point in adding that functionality to a different program that functions under the same basic idea unless you like the first program better for other reasons as well. That's like saying oh, I like using firefox, but I want it to run in 64-bit, and instead of doing a little bit of research and finding waterfox, I'm going to do a whole bunch of work to make firefox maybe, hopefully run really buggy in 64-bit. There's a difference between expecting to get everything on a platter and not wanting to remake things that already exist.

Clementine (4, Informative)

maugle (1369813) | about 8 months ago | (#45624203)

I like Clementine, mostly because it seems to be the only music player in existence which displays the image embedded in a song's MP3 file. All the others I've tried insist on displaying the same single image (which they found in the first song they happened to scan) for every song in my entire playlist.

Also, If anyone knows of a music player for Android which can do the same, I'd love to hear of it.

Re:Clementine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624299)

Poweramp. Hands down the best music player I've ever used. It's a paid app though.

Re:Clementine (3, Informative)

kevmeister (979231) | about 8 months ago | (#45624547)

Rocket Player comes pretty close.It will allow my Android to do almost everything that an iPod will do including use the image from the file,though that has to be set in "Settings" or it will also use the image from the first song. The only place it fails is that it does not recognize the "Music Video" STIK.

Re:Clementine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624599)

mortplayer music will do this. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.stohelit.folderplayer&hl=en

Re:Clementine (1)

grege1 (1065244) | about 8 months ago | (#45624609)

I also endorse Rocket Player. It has the simplest procedure for creating playlists and you can add more to an existing playlist any time. Or just play whole albums if that is your preference. I have tried many many Android music players and my Xperia Z has the Walkman app, but I always end up with Rocket Player.

Re: android player with pictures (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624639)

The AOSP player does this. You should be able to grab it in the market pretty easily.

Re:Clementine (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 8 months ago | (#45624649)

Amarok does this as well.

Re:Clementine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624759)

What amarok doesn't let you do, at least last I checked, is to change/remove cover art from individual mp3 files.

Miro (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624217)

It sucks, but it sucks slightly less than other open source media players.

Re:Miro (1)

cs80 (3456089) | about 8 months ago | (#45624697)

Beware of Miro. Even though they're an open-source project, their default installer comes bundled with various 'revenue-enhancing' toolbars. The main app seems designed to drive revenue to Miro, too.

Amarok/Clementine (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624219)

They both have the same library management mechanisms, and come from the same place. There are a bunch of differences though.

Clementine is more old school and the development team seems to focus on online services (spotify, grooveshark and whatnot).
The playlist management is pretty basic though

Amarok is flashier and has much fewer online services, but is top notch for automatic playlists, both the automatic playlist generator and the dynamic mode are awesome.
There was a GSoC this year that brought to Amarok the ability to import and export libraries from a bunch of other media player (including iTunes).http://konradzemek.com
There's no official mac port though, because no Amarok developer uses a mac.

An ugly spreadsheet that plays music. (5, Funny)

tpstigers (1075021) | about 8 months ago | (#45624243)

Wow. Replacing that is going to be a tall order.

Library & Playlist in separate windows (2)

globaljustin (574257) | about 8 months ago | (#45624313)

iTunes is sort of like a stubborn child...it will do everything else before the right thing...

I use iTunes of course ;)

One place iTunes still hasn't caught up to Winamp's late 90s releases..."playlist"

See, if you never used Winap by default it had two windows that listed your music files...one was a "library" which listed all your songs (in a file tree if you wanted IIRC). The other was you "playlist" which was...the songs you were playing in order.

You could of course save a cool playlist, and open it...all your saved "playlists" were also listed in the "library" window. You could have two "playlist" windows open at the same time...resizing each as needed...

I know iTunes tried w/ their little "up next" thing but it's 5 abstraction layers and 10 clicks too many...

Re:Library & Playlist in separate windows (1)

gnounc (1689724) | about 8 months ago | (#45624351)

I miss winamp 2. It was perfect. Another vote for clementine though www.clementine-player.org If they ever add a minimode and fix automatic mp3 tagging, it will be the perfect player. That said I'm going to go see what amarok is up to.

Re:Library & Playlist in separate windows (1)

globaljustin (574257) | about 8 months ago | (#45624375)

I totally went and downloaded the latest Winamp after posting that...

ah the good old days **rattles cane**

Re:Library & Playlist in separate windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624389)

Am I the only one around here that noticed winamp just didn't sound very good?

Re:Library & Playlist in separate windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624387)

Double click the play list in the source column... problem solved.

Quodlibet (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624331)

quodlibet has excellent searching and tag editing

Exaile (1)

corychristison (951993) | about 8 months ago | (#45624357)

I've also been searching for a new music player.

Right now trying Exaile. It seems to work alright.

I only listen to music as background noise while I'm programming, however. I had it load the entire /Media/Music directory and play on random.

Linux (1)

Shadyman (939863) | about 8 months ago | (#45624361)

On Linux, I prefer Amarok. On Windows, Winamp.

Never used iTunes (3, Interesting)

Jaktar (975138) | about 8 months ago | (#45624379)

I've never used iTunes. I just use folders and store everything by /Artist/Album. It's easy enough to right click the folder and select "play in VLC".

Re:Never used iTunes (2)

NotSanguine (1917456) | about 8 months ago | (#45624415)

I've never used iTunes. I just use folders and store everything by /Artist/Album. It's easy enough to right click the folder and select "play in VLC".

I do the same. I'm old so I actually own CDs and started ripping them all back in the '90s. I used CDex for that and it works really nicely. I use WinAmp to play my music and it works quite nicely as well.

I tried using iTunes on some of my relatives' devices and it sucks really badly. I would say that just about anything would be better than iTunes.

Re:Never used iTunes (1)

kehren77 (814078) | about 8 months ago | (#45624679)

I've never used iTunes. I just use folders and store everything by /Artist/Album. It's easy enough to right click the folder and select "play in VLC".

And how exactly do you create playlists this way?

Separate functions... (1)

msauve (701917) | about 8 months ago | (#45624381)

You seem to be asking for a player which will organize files. You don't have to choose one thing which does both.

In my experience, iTunes does just fine for organizing files into a directory structure. Also free (as in beer, not libre), Mediamonkey is pretty flexible.

For playback, have you looked at Subsonic? It's free (as in libre, not beer). Multi-platform client support, and a server architecture which lets you access your library from anywhere without having to carry it around. You just point it at the directory structure that your organizer creates. It will also do streaming transcoding.

The one thing that nothing seems to handle well are compilations - there's the dichotomy between "albums" as they are released vs. organizing based on artist, etc.

Re:Separate functions... (1)

TheP4st (1164315) | about 8 months ago | (#45624625)

The one thing that nothing seems to handle well are compilations - there's the dichotomy between "albums" as they are released vs. organizing based on artist, etc.

which is my only serious gripe with Clemetine, sure there are some clunky ways to work around it it but they aren't pretty. That aside, I do find that Clemenitine do the job very well, and based on the few times I've encountered iTunes I'd that say anything is an improvement

Not the best form of the question. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624399)

Ask, what are some alternatives to iTunes. I'm especially interested in FLOSS solutions.

Making FLOSS a requirement actually prevents you from potentially supporting a superior, well written, private project. There isn't grounds to claim a moral stance when everyday most morally confused /. posters invest daily in lots of products that are closed source, whether it's the Colonel's 11 herbs and spices or the ECU in their car (seriously, how may FLOSS whackjobs buy / mod a car to run Megasquirt, which is a close to FLOSS, but still a copyright protected product).

VItunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624403)

http://danielchoi.com/software/vitunes.html

(It uses mplayer.)

Re:VItunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624405)

http://danielchoi.com/software/vitunes.html

(It uses mplayer.)

Sorry, this is it:

http://vitunes.org/

Replace iTunes??? (4, Funny)

BringsApples (3418089) | about 8 months ago | (#45624417)

You could probably go out and get a homeless person and just hand them all of your music. Just tell them to do whatever they want with it. It'll be a better interface, and at least someone will know where the hell all of your music is.

Do you need everything in one tool? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624419)

I use beets [radbox.org] to organize my music collection , you can then use any player you like.

Logitech Mediaserver (3, Informative)

m.hataj (1553191) | about 8 months ago | (#45624425)

This was the one and only serving a TB-size musiccollection well.
You can stream to different speakers, laptops, mobile phones in parallel.
It's really good as DLNA server and you can have him on Linux, Mac, Windows, NAS, BSD.

http://www.mysqueezebox.com/download [mysqueezebox.com]

I'm not sure on the FLOSS status, there are a lot parts from this development on sourceforge and github.
And yes, it's running local as your server without any ties to Logitech.
Give version 7.7 up to 7.8 a try, higher ones are crippled.

AIMP (2)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 8 months ago | (#45624451)

A couple of months ago, I switched to AIMP. I hate iTunes like sin itself. Never liked anything about it. If I didn't have to use it to put files onto my wife's iPad, I wouldn't allow it anywhere in my house. I can't believe that in 2013 she can only use an iPad properly with one computer.

AIMP even works with most Winamp plug-ins, has a clean interface and light footprint. The skin I'm using has some nice meters, a proper equalizer and everything I'd want in a player.

I'd still be using Winamp, but I'm pissed that it's going away, so I just decided to uninstall it once and for all.

Try iTunes ... (3, Insightful)

psergiu (67614) | about 8 months ago | (#45624455)

Try iTunes on OS X.
It's much harder, better, faster and stronger that the Windows version.

Re:Try iTunes ... (1, Insightful)

Sorny (521429) | about 8 months ago | (#45624747)

"Try iTunes on OS X.
It's much harder, better, faster and stronger that the Windows version."

No kidding. I'm rolling with almost a half-TB library and it just screams.

lick the frog: ogg frog (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624461)

Ogg Frog. It's FREE software written by a dirty GNU hippy. It's written in exception safe C++ by a professional software engineer architect and super debugger -- so you know it's bug free (unlike VLC or iTunes). It's also multi platform (using the rock solid zoo lib for native look and feel) with support for Linux, Windows 98, BeOS, and OS/2, and MacOS 7. Despite the name, it supports both Ogg Vorbis and MP3s.

Ogg Frog.

Apparently nobody here used iTunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624465)

In iTunes you don't play fucking radio or setting your stone-aged playlist, you don't even need to know about single songs except in the "Current Playing...".

You put whole albums and pick up albums in library to play by genre => author => album-name, all three are recognized by scanning tags. If you manage to collect songs of a album from different sources it's likely to break due to inconsistent/lack-of tag information.

Audio players are all there, but very few have such simple libraries that don't require more than 2/3 clicks or keyboard to locate and play an album. The whole xmms/winamp-like design is anti-iTunes. It's everything that iTunes is NOT.

Who wants to pay for music? (0)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | about 8 months ago | (#45624489)

I used to use Napster, then P2P equivalents. It isn't like I'm buying music anyway. For a while back in the 90s, people bought the lie that CDs were super expensive to make and that is why albums were so expensive. Now with CDs are seen to be nearly free, and you see how much they try and gouge you for something you could dub off the radio if you wanted. RIAA is out suing everyone they can find. They sued a dive bar in nowheresville(where I live) for 100,000$ and won just this past year. I especially don't want to give a dime to RIAA.

If you want to support artists, don't use iTunes. Go use youtube and put your MP3 in a player, or burn to CD. If you want to support artists, either go see them in concert or paypal their personal account. I'd say write them a check, but they probably don't have mailing addies for sake of privacy.

I'm tired of this whole situation where people try not only to charge for something that is free, but also try and stop people from getting stuff for free too.

Re:Who wants to pay for music? (1)

cs80 (3456089) | about 8 months ago | (#45624533)

Actually, I've been using iTunes to manage my mostly-pirated 250GB MP3 collection. I just don't want to run software that contains code for monetizing me when I don't want to be. Even Amarok tries to push you into using proprietary streaming services, which is the music player version of Ubuntu' including Amazon in the Dash View- and don't get me started on Miro. So much hidden bundleware and added "services".

Re:Who wants to pay for music? (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | about 8 months ago | (#45624707)

I hope you find a FLOSS solution then. I didn't know iTunes was good for anything than a walled garden. I didn't realize you could bring in MP3s outside the ones you bought. You know there's probably a market for a FLOSS itune clone in a way now you bring it to my attention. Make it friendly for general MP3s, but be more transparent to get lesser known artists on the track to being paid and discovered. It is hard for a new artist to get discovered now, but if there was an official place to go to promote yourself outside of youtube. If you combine monetization(selling tracks+shared ads) with promotion, all the artist should technically have to do is make music and stick it onto this place. Finally you'd want a way to do something to find people who are fans of the same artists as you, so you can find music you might like, but haven't discovered yet.

Finally if you want to get really into it... Second Life is dated. If someone would just make a P2P version without worrying about countering hacks, you could make dance halls. Allow people to invent their own dances, and even sell their own dances and you take a cut. Allow people to make mesh objects, dance hall, avatars, particle effects, etc. Allow them to make those on their own, import and sell(where you take a small cut), and there you have a place where people could play their own music they downloaded off your service to people visiting their dance hall. Of course they'd need to hack it to play someone else's music, and your position would be you're against that. But the music people upload to your service would specifically license to be able to be played to small and large audiences.

Re:Who wants to pay for music? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624763)

I hope you find a FLOSS solution then. I didn't know iTunes was good for anything than a walled garden. I didn't realize you could bring in MP3s outside the ones you bought. You know there's probably a market for a FLOSS itune clone in a way now you bring it to my attention.

Not only that, but if you pay $50 Apple will give you a free 256kbps MPEG-4 copy of all your pirated music, assuming they have a copy of that song in the store.

Also, for music it's not a walled garden, Apple doesn't have DRM on any of the music in their store. It's all industry standard m4a files.

Video content from the store has DRM but not audio. You can also import video content from elsewhere, as long as it's in a supported format (not sure about windows, but on OS X you can install third party codec plugins into iTunes).

Re:Who wants to pay for music? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624779)

The store wasn't even added to iTunes until version 4.0. iPod support wasn't until 2.0.

Why not Nightingale anyway? (2)

tlambert (566799) | about 8 months ago | (#45624515)

I vote you go with Nightingale, and fix the file organization feature. IT's clear from your FLOSS requirement that you are a fan of Open Source, so send patches: that's what you do with Open Source.

If you don't want to do that because you're not a coder, then you might as well just with a closed source product, since it's not like you'll be looking at the code.

Audiophile player choices limited (1)

BenEnglishAtHome (449670) | about 8 months ago | (#45624525)

I need a player that will convert PCM files to DSD and send them via DoP to an outboard DAC that converts DSD files, only.

On Linux, that means HQPlayer. It's expensive. The interface seems designed by someone who thinks about everything in a way that would never occur to me. But it does the job for now.

When there's an add-on for MPD that will do PCM-to-DSD for all files, I'll migrate to that.

If you're on Windows and have the same need as me and also need bit-perfect output via USB to your outboard DAC, your choices are JRiver and foobar.

Not Open Source, but MusicBee is very good (1)

mouse_8b (854310) | about 8 months ago | (#45624563)

I use MusicBee on my media server. It is not open source, but it is free and maintained by 1 guy. The function that made me decide to use MusicBee is that I can define an "album" with more rules than just the music file's album tag. I have it set to differentiate between file types, so that the MP3 version and FLAC version of an album are treated as 2 different albums. It's got fully customizable library organization as well, with the familiar iTunes-like interface. I know it doesn't fit exactly into what the OP wanted, but I have been very pleased with it, so I thought it deserved a mention. http://getmusicbee.com/ [getmusicbee.com]

GMusicBrower (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624603)

It's not for everyone but my favorite by far is GMusicBrowser [gmusicbrowser.org] , it's open source, VERY customizable, fast, it has a great tray (customizable) popup window to control the music in 1 click, and many more features.

iPad sync? (1)

Richard_J_N (631241) | about 8 months ago | (#45624617)

For Linux users, is there any way to replace the iTunes functionality to get music and photos onto an iDevice, and have it properly recognise the library?
I only use Linux, but have an iPad3. I have mediocre photo functionality[1] via a jailbreak, but am still stuck with only one folder and no sub-folders. As for getting music on there (especially .ogg), forget it.
[1] http://www.richardneill.org/stotbig#ipad [richardneill.org]

Re:iPad sync? (1)

tepples (727027) | about 8 months ago | (#45624669)

I only use Linux, but have an iPad3.

Was it a gift?

Re:iPad sync? (1)

phayes (202222) | about 8 months ago | (#45624709)

Mediamonkey+wine? Yeah it's not open source but there is a very capable version that is free as in beer and also works well under Wine.

Re:iPad sync? (1)

John Bokma (834313) | about 8 months ago | (#45624785)

DropBox + VLC player (on the iPad).

Do people still listen to music this way? (1)

kehren77 (814078) | about 8 months ago | (#45624671)

iTunes is nothing but the backend of my Apple TV these days. I can't remember the last time I played something directly on the computer. I just wish the AppleTV interface had a fast scroll option. When your library has 17,000+ tracks in it, it takes forever to scroll through it to the bottom.

Sort files? If using iTunes-like, who cares? (1)

Phil Urich (841393) | about 8 months ago | (#45624731)

The whole thing about big music programs like iTunes is that you don't have to care about where the files are actually kept and in which folders, your player just gives you sortable data that you can display and manipulate however you want. Personally I always go with Artist -> Albums Sorted By Date, but some people like genres and whatever and use playlists a lot. But it doesn't matter, you just throw your various folders of music in one big folder and point your player of choice at it and it goes and identifies and creates a database of all the music. Programs tend to call this a "Library", perhaps you've heard of this concept?

At that point you can use Amaork, Clementine, Tomahawk, whatever. Doesn't matter, any of them will trawl through the folder(s) you tell them to and give you a library listing that cares not one bit about how messy or not the actual files and folders are.

Why do you care about your music program sorting your files into nice ID3-based folders if your interface to them is completely agnostic towards the file structure? And if you do, then just write a quick bash script or something and install a non-Library based player like Audacious if you like interacting with your music collection in a folder-and-file way.

Just wait 3 weeks... (1)

JoshWurzel (320371) | about 8 months ago | (#45624743)

and then you can download the best iTunes Replacement in 2014.

Should be asking about iThing replacements (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45624757)

It's humorous to see people trying to use hardware from anti-FLOSS companies on GNU/Linux. A companies contributions to FLOSS software should never excuse other bad behavior.

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