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EU Warns Nokia Not To Become a Patent Troll

samzenpus posted about 8 months ago | from the play-nice dept.

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Barence writes "The vice president of the European Commission's Competition unit has warned Nokia not to become a 'patent troll'. Nokia is in the process of selling its devices business to Microsoft, giving rise to fears that the remaining part of Nokia will make more aggressive use of its patents portfolio. Vice president Joaquin Almunia said that the commission had dismissed the possibility that 'Nokia would be tempted to behave like a patent troll' when it cleared the way for Microsoft to acquire Nokia's devices division – but warned that 'if Nokia were to take illegal advantage of its patents in the future, we will open an antitrust case.' 'I sincerely hope we will not have to,' said Almunia."

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78 comments

Oh dear (4, Funny)

girlintrainingpants (1954872) | about 8 months ago | (#45643071)

When I worked at Microsoft, we were joking about how this would happen. One guy I knew about in another department actually got canned over just the joking. He literally said "Lolwut" when they fired him. They don't take this stuff lightly anymore!

Re:Oh dear (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45643231)

Microsoft in general don't take too kindly to jokes and fun any more in general.

I miss the fun Microsoft, the cool developer-friendly Microsoft that were only dickish in a business sense.
Now they are just plain old dicks.
Expect Microsoft Research to get scaled back horribly in the coming years as well, they already killed some developer-related services as it is.
MSR, MSDN and all the dev-related groups were great while they lasted.
Likewise with Google and how they just killed theirs pretty much. RIP Google Labs.

Re:Oh dear (1)

Teun (17872) | about 8 months ago | (#45645591)

Look here, development is a cost center, BD (Sales) is where the next management bonus is.

So it's perfectly normal that our development targets will from now on be decided by BD.

Signed, your CFO.

Re: Oh dear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45648397)

That. Short sighted idiot speech. Commonly found in your MBA next door, and well, idiots.

Microsoft R&D (2)

DrYak (748999) | about 8 months ago | (#45649095)

On the other hand, to outsider like me, Microsoft's R&D center has over the last several years looked more to center who's role is to find occupation for big brains so they are kept in microsoft's clutch instead of going to innovate elsewhere.

Microsoft has had tons of fun tech demos. (Photosynth [wikipedia.org] , for exemple, for a visually appealing one. I was under the impression that Microsoft was among the first to show software doing something to gather visual data from tons of references pictures. Microsoft Singularity [wikipedia.org] introduced tons of cool idea: a concurrent managed language whose characteristics make it possible to be formally and provably analysed for security, subsequently software process separation and lightweight microthreads, and thus a microkernel based OS almost entirely inmanageable code, with provable process isolation, and with little of the microkernel task-switching associated costs).
But almost nothing came out of these research (Photosynth end-up eventually being released to the public, after a while. Meanwhile, the visual processing world has gone crazy, both in the fundamental research [automatic on the-fly removal of objects from video; or horizontal compression *without* actually stretching object, instead just removing un-needed details; and all the other cool tech demo that are featured on slashdot every other week]. Singularity has gone no where, the current crop of Microsoft OSes [windows 8.1, X-Box] are juste the last generation+1. Meanwhile, Scala has become one of the hot functional language to actually see widespread business usage. LLVM is the compiler getting improved to the point that some provability can be asserted even on imperative language like C [and thus can be used to do more advanced/provable security checks than memcheck, etc] while GCC has also its crop of security-test instrumentation [some taken from LLVM], Stackless Python is the hot topic for microthreads without hardware penalty [and actual massive applications like EVE-Online], etc. )

The only success that Microsoft can pat itself on the back about, is that during this time these brain have been wasted inside Microsoft's R&D departement and thus haven't gone working for a competitor and made their discoveries there subsequently turning them into actual products competing with Microsoft's stagnating shit).

Sad part? The absence of strong business successes following that research will probably used by the MBAs as additionnal proof that R&D should be sacked in favour of Sales/Marketing.

Re:Microsoft R&D (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45650449)

On the other hand, to outsider [sic] like me, Microsoft's R&D center has over the last several years looked more to center who's [sic] role...

Would you guys PLEASE learn written English? It's whose, moron.

Microsoft Singularity [wikipedia.org] introduced tons of cool idea [sic]

IDEAS, DAMN IT! What's your native language?

and thus a microkernel based OS almost entirely inmanageable code

I don't know what "inmanageable code" is, and neither does Google.

But almost nothing came out of these research

DUUUUUUUDE...

Photosynth end-up eventually being released to the public

What's a Photosynth end-up?

The only success that Microsoft can pat itself on the back about, is that during this time these brain have been wasted

You seem to have a problem with singulars and plurals. Are you a bot, perhaps written my Microsoft marketers to shill for them? Because you're failing both at written English and shillage.

Re:Microsoft R&D (1)

Teun (17872) | about 8 months ago | (#45661231)

As long as the message comes across who cares about someone's language skills?

There is evidence of the OP not being a native English speaker, so are vast hordes of other smart people, deal with it.

Re:Oh dear (5, Insightful)

pspahn (1175617) | about 8 months ago | (#45643243)

Sounds like your friend was one of the lucky ones.

Last time I got canned, I was told part of it was because of my "toxic attitude". A few days prior I had sent an email describing how to do something correctly (based on industry accepted practices) and had a conversation with the "Director" about some of the developers in India that were making a mess of several of my projects (he told me to send the email).

After they gave me my severance and I got home, I started to realize just how lucky I was. Thank god I don't work for that outfit anymore.

Re:Oh dear (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about 8 months ago | (#45644695)

I know what you mean. But -- toxic attitudes are the best: between you, me and Socrates we're in good company.

Re:Oh dear (2)

anubi (640541) | about 8 months ago | (#45647407)

I have been in this business as a design engineer for 40 years. One thing I have seen for sure within the last decade is a strong disdain from the management types toward the creative types.

My conjecture is that the industry as a whole is saturating, and people fortunate enough to have landed the higher echelons in companies are doing the animal-planet alpha-male thing and running anyone possibly more technically competent than themselves out of the company while they still have the power to do so.

I am handling it by developing independent products and working with small companies, as my hope for ever working for a big company again is dashed. I can not imagine a company that has the financial resources to hire expensive lawyers and managers has any place for artistic types. I consider myself to be one of the dime-a-dozen gardeners in their eyes. A "computer janitor" as one of my fellow slashdotters noted so eloquently.

We have got tax and business law so convoluted with special interests that actually doing anything makes little business sense, when there is far more money to be made by throttling competition and selling rights to do anything. I see this going on and on and on as long as the world relies on the US as their bank, as it is well known that bankers eventually end up owning everything due to their capability of not only creating currency out of thin air, but also expecting usury on it that can only be met by their printing yet more currency to pay the amount owed.

History shows only one way has worked to reset the system, and it ain't pretty. Civilizations have worked just like a relaxation oscillator ( avalanche mode ) for as long as we have recorded history. No reason it stops now. It is not human nature at all for it to stop.

Mod parent up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45647643)

Hear hear. Everything that you say is right.
 
The avalanche is about to happen. Stick to your GUNNs.

Re:Oh dear (1)

pspahn (1175617) | about 8 months ago | (#45648493)

Next time you're in Denver, beers are on me.

Ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45643093)

It's not often that selling part of your business would be an anti-trust issue...

Re:Ironic (2)

WWJohnBrowningDo (2792397) | about 8 months ago | (#45643219)

Nokia is in the process of selling its devices business to Microsoft, giving rise to fears that the remaining part of Nokia will make more aggressive use of its patents portfolio.

RTFS. It's not the sale that's the issue, it's the part that's not being sold that's the issue.

It's all in the game... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45643095)

It's all in the game...

Part of the plan (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45643101)

I suspect that that is a part of Microsoft's business model for the future Nokia.

It already dabbles in it, but now it will be free to pursue Android manufacturers without having any product of its own which could be attacked in a MAD world.

Re:Part of the plan (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45648121)

Which part are you talking about? You do know after the sale there will be Nokia, and Microsoft. Microsoft will have cellphone business, and most likely some part of the patent portofolio, or at least rights to use the patents, and not be sued by Nokia. Nokia will end up with Networks, maps, and whatnot. Most likely also with a nice patent portofolio in a business area where they are not acting themselves, this is what scares everyone. They could be the ultimate patent troll, with 5 billion loose cash, real hardware patents that are pretty much the industry standard, and no stake in the actual business.

such a reasonable continent you have there (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45643195)

if only such reason could occur over here in NA

Re:such a reasonable continent you have there (2)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 8 months ago | (#45643419)

We wouldn't do that. Protecting people from predatory practices is the dreaded soociialsshinm.

Re:such a reasonable continent you have there (1)

bhcompy (1877290) | about 8 months ago | (#45645377)

Meh. The worst of trolling has to do with BS patents(rounded edges, shopping carts, etc) and patent troll/aggregators. If Nokia wants to enforce legitimate technical patents on their vast portfolio, I really don't see a problem with that

Typical american slasdotters (5, Insightful)

bazmail (764941) | about 8 months ago | (#45643199)

American Slashdotter: "Our government ought to do something about these god damned patent trolls!!!!"

European Government actually does something about patent trolls.

American Slashdotter: "Damn europeans! Always picking on our good ol hard workin corporations. Its about freedom and choice. Don't they get it."

Re:Typical american slasdotters (1)

ScottCooperDotNet (929575) | about 8 months ago | (#45643273)

Americans are reactive, Europeans are proactive. We're just waiting for Nokia to actually screw up to do anything.

Re:Typical american slasdotters (1)

pspahn (1175617) | about 8 months ago | (#45643309)

Your sense of hypocrisy is not without irony.

Typical EU vs. US (-1, Troll)

alispguru (72689) | about 8 months ago | (#45643353)

US: Patent trolling is legal, but it ought to be harder and less profitable. runs off to legislate [ecommercetimes.com]

EU: Patent trolling is legal, but we urge companies not to do anything we might interpret as anti-trustish. wags finger at Nokia

I'd say that the US is trying to do something about trolls, and the EU is just talking, judging from the article.

Re:Typical EU vs. US (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45644011)

Europe already has the legislation. Has had for years.
  They're just saying to Nokia "Go ahead punk, make my day"

Re:Typical EU vs. US (2)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about 8 months ago | (#45644745)

"I'd say that the US is trying to do something about trolls"

Been out of country for a week. Could I have missed anything so badly?

Re:Typical EU vs. US (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45644815)

That will help some, but they are not tackling the important issues. The patent office can't reject a patent, they can only force the company to pay for a continuation (where they get the original filing date). 89% of US patents end in approval. Only 11% end in an abandonment.
Here's a good article that explains the real issue:
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2013/12/the_simple_fix_that_could_heal_the_patent_system.html
Note, that it won't happen, because Joe Voter doesn't know/care, and Apple/Microsoft et. al. are big funders of congress on both sides.

Re:Typical american slasdotters (3, Interesting)

ericloewe (2129490) | about 8 months ago | (#45643389)

Nokia is as far from a patent troll as you can get. Unfortunately, many just assume that because they sue everyone and their mother they're trolling. They sue everyone and their mother because they invented many crucial parts of the thing everyone and their mother owns.

Besides, since when is Nokia a "good ol hard workin [American] corporation"?

Re:Typical american slasdotters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45643569)

Besides, since when is Nokia a "good ol hard workin [American] corporation"?

Since very recently as you'll soon find out with a quick google..

Re:Typical american slasdotters (2, Informative)

exomondo (1725132) | about 8 months ago | (#45644441)

Since very recently as you'll soon find out with a quick google..

Not sure what you're referring to, Microsoft bought the devices division of Nokia but Nokia itself - which is the part being discussed here and the part that owns all the patents - is a Finnish company.

Re:Typical american slasdotters (4, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 8 months ago | (#45643437)

This American Slashdotter thinks it's good. Companies and people should be regulated in proportion to the harm they are capable of doing. Monsanto, a corporation that has literally created PCBs that cover the entire planet, should be regulated to hell. The corner small businessperson shouldn't. I don't see how that is unreasonable.

Re:Typical american slasdotters (2)

exomondo (1725132) | about 8 months ago | (#45644477)

The corner small businessperson shouldn't. I don't see how that is unreasonable.

So you can have the same shrewd business practices so long as you keep some token competitor alive? Anti-competitive practices should be disallowed across the board, not just for the biggest player, it fosters a rotten culture.

Re:Typical american slasdotters (1)

MarginalWatcher (1055844) | about 8 months ago | (#45648315)

Monsanto, a corporation that has literally created PCBs that cover the entire planet [...]

Thought you meant printed circuit boards there for a minute before I Googled them...

Re:Typical american slasdotters (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about 8 months ago | (#45652551)

You need more coffee. Monsanto is a chemical company, not an electronics company. Why would a chemical company spread printed circuit boards?

I'm surprised you never heard of polychlorinated biphenyls (which I probably misspelled), they were used as transformer oil for almost a hundred years (that's electrical transformers, PCBs were used as coolant). My dad was a lineman, he's now dying of cancer from PCBs. Purina killed his dad, Monsanto is kiling him. Yet dufuses at slashdot scream for less regulation. Meanwhile, now that we have the EPA you can drive past the plant in Sauget and the air no longer burns your lungs.

Re:Typical american slasdotters (0)

ikkonoishi (674762) | about 8 months ago | (#45643615)

American Slashdotter: "Damn europeans! Always picking on our good ol hard workin corporations. Its about freedom and choice. Don't they get it."

Well considering you are like the third comment on this post, and there are no comments that actually say that...

I'm just going to leave this here.

[Citation Needed]

Re:Typical american slasdotters (1)

dontbemad (2683011) | about 8 months ago | (#45643641)

oooh, nice one. I may have a better one:

Slashdotter: "Uninformed blanket statement which not only demonstrates a lack of knowledge about whatever I'm talking about, but also alienates those who I may have wanted to inform in the first place"

Re:Typical american slasdotters (1)

edxwelch (600979) | about 8 months ago | (#45643683)

> European Government actually does something about patent trolls.
Yeah, right. A warning carries a lot of weight.

Re:Typical american slasdotters (4, Informative)

bazmail (764941) | about 8 months ago | (#45643823)

The European courts have teeth. The US prosecutors just caved in their prosecution of MS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_competition_case [wikipedia.org]

"In March 2004, the EU ordered Microsoft to pay €497 million ($794 million or £381 million)...."

Re:Typical american slasdotters (1)

edxwelch (600979) | about 8 months ago | (#45647015)

That case had nothing to do with patent trolls.

Re:Typical american slasdotters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45648033)

And Nokia isn't a patent troll yet. Hence the EU is just issuing a warning e.g. "Make my day punk"

The person who replied to you was just trying to make you understand that it's not an idle warning - the EU has pulled the trigger in the past.

Re:Typical american slasdotters (1)

TheP4st (1164315) | about 8 months ago | (#45648423)

> European Government actually does something about patent trolls. Yeah, right. A warning carries a lot of weight.

Do you mean "warnings" such as when the European Patent office revoked the Nespresso coffee pod patent?
http://www.eplawpatentblog.com/eplaw/nespresso/ [eplawpatentblog.com] http://www.domain-b.com/companies/companies_n/Nestle/20131012_coffee.html [domain-b.com]

Re:Typical american slasdotters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45653249)

"Yeah, right" as in "Yeah, right", or as in "That is correct"?

Re:Typical american slasdotters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45644479)

Sadly, this isn't about US vs Europe. It's just your normally us against them mentality. If Nokia was a European patent troll, then the US would be angry, but if the Nokia patent troll is purchased by US company then Europe gets angry. This has nothing to do with freedom or right and wrong. It's simply a statement that the EU will not look the other way if Nokia is purchased by an American company.

Re:Typical american slasdotters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45648139)

What IF? Nokias phone business is purchased bt microsoft. Patents will stay with Nokia. At least that's what they have told about the deal so far.

Re:Typical american slasdotters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45648361)

C'mon. I think this should be rather modded funny. I do *hope* it was meant to poke fun.

Otherwise...

Look. European here and all that. But take into account that there's more than one American. And (perhaps!) more than one American slashdotter. It could just be that you are seeing two opinions there, the horrors!

Pinkie Swear (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45643201)

I'm sure they'll pinkie swear to it and that'll be the end of it.

Pinky swear (1)

silviuc (676999) | about 8 months ago | (#45643283)

Nokia: We swears! We swears on.... on the preciousssss.

And we all know how well that went. Just wait until there'll be another, more "friendly" commissioner or until they'll "persuade" the current one.

TROLLL.. TROLL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45643305)

I don't understand how this would be "Patent Trolling". The premise for actual patent trolling is a business that exists but never had any real capacity and leverages money out of people and demands licensing out of patent claims they have which are broad and over-reaching. Particularly ones where they have no product that they offer, either in the past or present that makes use of their particular patent.

In this case I don't see how this would be any different than Motorola enacting lawsuits demanding royalties/licensing for technologies that everyone uses and takes for granted. They would be valid complaints. It would not be particularly good for development and a broader free market, but it would still be legitimate.

Re:TROLLL.. TROLL! (4, Informative)

bmo (77928) | about 8 months ago | (#45643421)

> Particularly ones where they have no product that they offer,

This is exactly what is going on. What's left of Nokia won't have any manufacturing capacity or products. Another NPE.

>Motorola

Motorola makes actual products.

Being this dumb should hurt.

--
BMO

Re:TROLLL.. TROLL! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45646351)

> This is exactly what is going on. What's left of Nokia won't have any manufacturing capacity or products. Another NPE.

After the sale of mobile phones, Nokia's largest division is NSN, which makes telecom equipment such as cellular base stations. Those are actual products with sales of billions of euros last year.

Re:TROLLL.. TROLL! (1)

alexander_686 (957440) | about 8 months ago | (#45647521)

Right - expect all of the patents we are talking about are on handsets, not their telecom gear. So, from a handset perspective, they would be a NPE. (Which I am fine with. I assume Nokia's patents are of high quality and actually mean something. Now, if the patents were overly broad and a vague statement of things that could be done - that is what I hate.)

Re:TROLLL.. TROLL! (4, Insightful)

alexander_686 (957440) | about 8 months ago | (#45643435)

The difference is that Motorola is actually making phones and doing research while Nokia is just riding the coattails of a division that no longer exists.

Since Motorola is still in the game it still uses other people patents. If they are a dick towards others then the other patent holders will be dicks towards Motorola. There is an incentive for Motorola to play fair. Nokia does not have that restraint. They could be huge dicks and the other handset manufactures could not retaliate directly against them. Not saying that Nokia will be a dick – just that they could.

Nokia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45643315)

Are they still in business? I haven't seen a Nokia cell phone in years. Almost everyone has either an Apple Iphone or a Samsung Galaxy. Come to think of it, no one I know has a "dumb phone."

Re:Nokia? (1)

Cordus Mortain (3004429) | about 8 months ago | (#45643393)

You can still buy dumb phones, but they are so commoditized now you can pretty much only pick them up in a super market, between the toilet paper isle and cleaning products.

Re:Nokia? (1, Insightful)

penix1 (722987) | about 8 months ago | (#45645941)

I have a Nokia C3-00 phone that I got from Walmart. It is a pre-paid phone I got because... Well... I need a phone not a damned computer. It works very well as a phone with a far longer battery life than any of the so called smart phones out there. A single charge lasts me a week on this thing. Can you say the same about an iphone or galaxy?

Re:Nokia? (2)

osu-neko (2604) | about 8 months ago | (#45646387)

I need a phone not a damned computer.

Precisely. My Nokia is a much better phone by virtue of the fact that it doesn't try to be anything but a phone. It has one job to do, and it does it well with a much more compact and energy efficient package than a "smartphone" that is neither as good a phone as my Nokia nor as good a computer as my PC, compromising its ability to do either well by trying to be both at once.

Re:Nokia? (1)

rtb61 (674572) | about 8 months ago | (#45646825)

Well, I did the exact opposite, the only reason I finally got a mobile phone is because it was a smart phone (note 3) because it could do far more than just make phone calls (maps,camera,internet,notes,calender etc), in fact that calling ability is more about accessing and sending data than just mindlessly chattering. Hmm, it seems there is more than just one type of customer. As for Nokia one player simply needs to launch a hostile takeover as a public company by buying up shares, something M$ doesn't need to do as it has already bought protection. So it seems likely is their plan instituted by that plant Elop and targeted at Android and Apple. It doesn't stop counter suits, as quite simply everyone can target them at the purposeful originator of the plot.

Re:Nokia? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45653307)

"I need a phone not a damned computer."

The market reality nowadays is that for more and more people, the opposite seems to be the case:

"I don't need a damned computer, I have a smartphone"

And that's exactly why both Nokia and Microsoft are hurting so badly.

See what I did there? Brought it back on-topic.

Rockstar Consotrium (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45643503)

Nokia have already started patent trolling. Aling with Apple and MS.

Its just under the guise of another shell company - AFAIK Rockstar Consortium. This using the patents they previously promised to not use aggressively. they got around that by creating Rockstar Consortium and letting it troll for them.

Elop's Minions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45643575)

So how many of Elop's people, he brought in from Microsoft, are in the remaining pieces of Nokia? That should be a good indication of how they will use those patents. After all, I doubt Microsoft paid Nokia for access to those patents without also making sure elements were in place to exercise 'protection'. I mean, the thug of the PC industry couldn't sell its way into the phone segment so they destroyed Nokia to get going. Once a thug for decades, always a thug.

What he actually said (3, Insightful)

Krakadoom (1407635) | about 8 months ago | (#45644205)

Nowhere does it say that Nokia cannot leverage it's patent portfolio and make a business out of that. The operative word in the Commission statement is "illegal". Being a patent-owning business (and nothing else) is not illegal, nor is licensing the property for considerable fees. Heck, suing for profit isn't either. So the actual value of this statement is minor.

Kingmaker, self (3, Interesting)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 8 months ago | (#45644301)

"but warned that 'if Nokia were to take illegal advantage of its patents in the future, we will open an antitrust case.' 'I sincerely hope we will not have to,' said Almunia."

This behavior by government officials is, or should be, illegal. Patent trolls are bad, but officials threatening to withhold licensing or "review" it for legal behaviors that have nothing to do with the issue in question is a gross, kingly abuse of power.

If patent troll behavior of the remnant is illegal, you deal with that directly as a criminal issue.

Not paying attention, right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45644611)

They only open an antitrust case "if Nokia were to take illegal advantage of its patents".

Note the word "illegal". If they didn't take action, then they would be condoning illegal activity.

Re:Kingmaker, self (3, Informative)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 8 months ago | (#45648047)

They are reacting to the tact that Nokia seems to have divested itself of all physical products and its OS, so how what is left looks kinda like a patent holding company. Of course Nokia say they are R&D, which is fine, the EU is just reminding then that will act quicky in a market that is full of trolls and patent abusers.

Re:Kingmaker, self (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45649229)

The difference being, of course, that nokia actually invented those things. They didn't license the patents just to troll. This is very different.

Keep in mind (4, Informative)

MoronGames (632186) | about 8 months ago | (#45644549)

In 2016, Nokia can re-enter the cell phone market under its own name. This may mean them going back into designing their own phones, or purchasing Jolla, the spin-off company run by former Nokia engineers. Jolla has already put a very nice looking low-end cell phone on the market, and I expect them to continue to build out their smart phone portfolio in the near future. I can definitely see them once again becoming a part of Nokia in 2016. I don't think Nokia would be content to remain a patent-only business. Also, keep in mind, they are retaining their very lucrative mapping business as well.

Re:Keep in mind (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45645421)

Or they can do the Nokia thing and move to another market again. It has not always been a phone company and nothing says that it has to stick with phones.

Re:Keep in mind (0)

hairyfeet (841228) | about 8 months ago | (#45646717)

Uhhh...why would they want to? The cell phone market is a shark tank right now, between the big Chinese companies like ZTE and Huawei cranking out some nice low end smartphones to LG and their sliders to Samsung dominating the high end frankly they couldn't pick a worse time to be a hardware maker.

Say what you will about the deal but they kept all the profitable bits and sold the ones that were going downhill, a smart move in my book. Thanks to Android being the Windows of mobile you'll see a huge race to the bottom and while Samsung may be able to carve out a slice at the high end everybody else? Having to make due on razor thin margins.

To late... (0)

Lunawerap (3011993) | about 8 months ago | (#45644691)

To late... back when Nokia started with windows phone OS, Nokia put the patents in a separate company at MS's recommendation. It cannot help but be a troll company now.

Re:To late... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45645209)

Actually Nokia's Advanced Technologies division manages all Nokia's patents but whatever..

Re:To late... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45647745)

perhaps you need to learn the definition of a patent troll. Hint, it is obviously NOT what you think it is as Nokia licensing or even suing over the patents for technologies they invented is NOT trolling.

Uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45645155)

So because they're exiting the phone market at least temporarily they should just throw away all their IP? Nokia spent more in R&D than like 5 of its biggest competitors combined for solid 10-15 years in a row.

Speaking of Finntroll (0)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | about 8 months ago | (#45647999)

Here is their most popular video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGywo81G6lk [youtube.com]

and the Wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finntroll [wikipedia.org]

"Finntroll is a folk metal band from Helsinki, Finland. They combine elements of black metal and folk metal. Finntroll's lyrics are mostly in Swedish, the only exception being the song "Madon Laulu" on Visor Om Slutet. Finntroll's first singer Katla decided to use Swedish over Finnish since he was part of a Swedish-speaking minority in Finland and the sound of the language seemed to better suit the band's "trollish" outfit. Despite several vocalist changes, this tradition has continued. According to bandmembers Vreth and Skrymer, they took their name from an old Finnish legend where Swedish priests coming to Finland had an encounter with a wild-looking man who killed most of their party. The survivors came back bearing the tale of the Finn-Troll."

The European commission .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45648933)

Lets not forget the it was the European Commission that pushed for software patents [wikipedia.org] and the directive only failed because European Parliament voted against it. Now we have the push for the Unified Patent Court, and this may just introduce software patents through the back door.

Nice (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about 8 months ago | (#45649255)

Now can we get the same in North America ?

What "illegal advantage"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45649901)

How can you take "illegal advantage" of something which governments legally granted you?

Patent trolls or vengeful lesser wizards (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45650109)

If you have patents that had you as the tops in your field, and other people have run you out of business, why shouldn't you keep them from profiting from your misfortune. If they are going to undercut you, let them do it with their own creativity.

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