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You Are What Your Dad Ate

timothy posted about 8 months ago | from the manner-of-speaking dept.

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Freshly Exhumed writes "What a father eats before his child is conceived may influence the chance a baby will be born with a birth defect, a new study suggests. Much of the focus on how diet relates to birth has been done on moms. A father's diet before conception plays a crucial role in the health of his offspring, researchers in Canada suggest. Sarah Kimmins, a researcher at McGill University in Montreal, said the study focused on vitamin B9, also known as folate, which is found in green leafy vegetables, cereal, fruit and meat. The researchers found that the mouse offspring of folate-deficient fathers had a 30 percent increased risk of birth defects, compared to those offspring who had received a sufficient amount of folate."

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How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anyway? (3, Interesting)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 8 months ago | (#45673115)

which is found in green leafy vegetables, cereal, fruit and meat.

So, in pretty much EVERYTHING then?

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (2)

BenSchuarmer (922752) | about 8 months ago | (#45673151)

Everything but Necco Wafers (so yeah, pretty much everything).

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674297)

I already told my wife that if she wants kids she will have to folate me.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (-1, Troll)

Garridan (597129) | about 8 months ago | (#45674357)

Go back to health class, son. Or... I guess... if your wife is dumb enough to fall for that... keep on keeping on. The world could do without your children.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674919)

Go back to health class, son. Or... I guess... if your wife is dumb enough to fall for that... keep on keeping on. The world could do without your children.

It was clearly a joke, and I found it quite funny. If that went over your head, then it is YOU who should not be reproducing.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673153)

A poor diet is how someone gets a deficiency. Are you really that retarded or just good at playing one?

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 8 months ago | (#45673171)

It would have to be a pretty poor diet to not include meat, dairy, cereals, or vegetables.

It's even in beer.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (5, Funny)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about 8 months ago | (#45673273)

It's even in beer.

No wonder my daughter turned out to be a genius. Guess I've got nothing to worry about.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (5, Funny)

sunking2 (521698) | about 8 months ago | (#45673295)

The more likely reason is she isn't really your daughter.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673309)

ocifer...i wus jus drinkin for the foal-ate when i bang yer wife later.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673331)

Yes, it would. And there are plenty of people out there with poor diets.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (3)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 8 months ago | (#45673437)

It would have to be a pretty poor diet to not include meat, dairy, cereals, or vegetables.

But when foods are highly processes, then those vitamins are greatly degraded or lost period.

With so many people eating highly processed, fast food for so many meals, it is easy to see why even educated, non-poor folks in the US have such health problems, are obese and often have accompanying vitamin/mineral deficiencies.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673809)

But when foods are highly processes, then those vitamins are greatly degraded or lost period.

Lost period also correlates with pregnancy, so yeah.

Re: How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anyw (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673507)

Tell that to the millions of poor in the US. Haven't you've been paying attention? The world population is facing a crisis in poor nutrition.

Re: How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anyw (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674023)

You say crisis, I say regulation to sustainable numbers.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (2)

fliptout (9217) | about 8 months ago | (#45673183)

Obvious response- his father didn't consume enough B9.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (2)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 8 months ago | (#45673199)

Nope, he always drank plenty of beer.

I'm still confused (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673193)

What a father eats before his child is conceived

Does this imply that I should save the thinking for AFTER dinner?

Re:I'm still confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673243)

[rim shot]

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (2)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 8 months ago | (#45673231)

Well, most pregnant women and women trying to get pregnant are recommended to take folic acid daily; so the risk must be present even for the typical diet. I, for one, had never heard of a link between sperm quality (which is the root cause of the birth defects) and B9 deficiency. In fact, it's relatively rare that the father comes into picture at all when looking at birth defects so even if the deficiency hardly ever happened it would still be interesting news IMO.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (3, Insightful)

Garridan (597129) | about 8 months ago | (#45674445)

In fact, it's relatively rare that the father's role in birth defects is even considered by scientists...

FTFY. A lack of knowledge in this area is hardly surprising. A woman produces her eggs during puberty. A man produces his sperm daily. Ergo, day-to-day differences in a man's habits are likely to have a significant impact on his offspring.

We know that heavy drinking during early pregnancy is bad... but what about the man's drinking before conception? What about other drugs?

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674567)

The problem is that people simply don't think about the fathers input. Sperm health is very dependent on diet. We have known this for at least centuries, and have come up with diets to improve the health long before we could see the things in a microscope.

The difference is obviously that the man's diet plays very little role in the health of the baby after conception.

The same can be said to some degree with diets in general. Eating right leads to better health. Eating crap leads to illness, obesity, etc... Seems like somehow in the last few decades people forgot about how important eating right is and how much your daily health can be impacted by your diet.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (5, Funny)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | about 8 months ago | (#45673353)

So, in pretty much EVERYTHING then?

Yes, but the levels of B9 may be benign.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (1)

steelfood (895457) | about 8 months ago | (#45673659)

They're probably not found in twinkies.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673847)

So, in pretty much EVERYTHING then?

Not everything contains much B9. The levels in "cereal" are not natural. It's fortified.

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674169)

That's all I ate as a kid and young adult before my first kid. Tons of cereal fruit and meat. Dumb study. Who paid for this? Probably the Vegetable Cereal Fruit and Meat Association!

Re:How does one end up with a B9 deficiency, anywa (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674553)

and beer is a good source of B9...

LOL ... (0)

gstoddart (321705) | about 8 months ago | (#45673141)

Given the average North American diet, that doesn't sound like a good thing. ;-)

Re:LOL ... (4, Funny)

Nyder (754090) | about 8 months ago | (#45673271)

Given the average North American diet, that doesn't sound like a good thing. ;-)

that's okay, this is slashdot, most of us aren't getting laid, so we don't have to worry about our cheetos/cherry coke sperm hitting anything but the keyboard...

Re:LOL ... (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about 8 months ago | (#45673373)

Hey, a pack of Cheetos contains 4% of your recommended daily intake of Niacin and Riboflavin.

So my 25-pack/day Cheetos habit doesn't seem so dumb now, huh?

Re:LOL ... (2, Funny)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 8 months ago | (#45674033)

Yeah, but you're not going to get laid looking *that* yellow.

Re:LOL ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674395)

Cheetos are ORANGE!

Re:LOL ... (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about 8 months ago | (#45673403)

I did say "average", thereby excluding most of us here.

And, "eww" to that mental image.

On the bright side, apparently masturbation has many health benefits [dailytech.com] . ;-)

Re:LOL ... (0)

Fluffy the Destroyer (3459643) | about 8 months ago | (#45673579)

I don't get laid...I WORK. She lays on her back and I WORK...

Updating cupid.com profile now (5, Funny)

paiute (550198) | about 8 months ago | (#45673159)

Likes long walks on the beach, romantic comedies, lots of kale.

Re:Updating cupid.com profile now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674741)

The trouble is she'll have to taste your sperm to know for sure. Quick, someone do a study and "prove" that...

Re:Updating cupid.com profile now (1)

pspahn (1175617) | about 8 months ago | (#45674861)

Seems better to stick with pineapple then.

Lesson learned here? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673195)

Eat spinach before attempting to impregnate mice.

alternatively...

Popeye was right.

So... (5, Funny)

GrumpySteen (1250194) | about 8 months ago | (#45673207)

I am my mother?

Re:So... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673259)

I am my mother?

There are Freudian analysts looking at this and thinking, "If only he were MY patient! I could afford to send my kid to Harvard - all expenses paid!"

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673329)

There are Freudian analysts looking at this and thinking, "If only he were MY patient! I could afford to send my kid to Harvard - all expenses paid!"

Of course, that people are still willing to pay for Freudian analysts still boggles the mind.

The man was a complete flake, and a little too obsessed with his penis and his mother -- not to mention his huge coke habit.

If the answer to "how do you feel about Freud?" isn't derisive laughter, run away. Because you'll be more messed up after the therapy.

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673631)

What if my answer is ambivalence?

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674709)

The man was a complete flake, and a little too obsessed with his penis and his mother

Nice. Way to casually and offhandedly dismiss a major pioneer of human behavior and one of the most ingenious, influential, and consequential people of the 20th century. His work has had massive direct effects in not only mental health, but the social sciences, propaganda, marketing, and many other areas.

Clearly you have matriarch-related issues.

Re:So... (1, Funny)

Nyder (754090) | about 8 months ago | (#45673291)

I am my mother?

nope, you are a pussy.

(really just kidding, but you set that up.)

Re:So... (1)

Russ1642 (1087959) | about 8 months ago | (#45674055)

He didn't set anything up. You just told the same joke in a worse fashion.

So, this is why my kids (1)

drainbramage (588291) | about 8 months ago | (#45674131)

So, this is why my kids like BlackJack and Hookers?

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45675455)

I guess I'm glad my dad ate nerds instead of physically deformed babies.

Diet usually indicates lifestyle (5, Interesting)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 8 months ago | (#45673215)

I wouldn't panic.

If your dad was a hobo or only ate bratwurst, I might worry, but otherwise you're getting in a panic for no reason.

Diet for males is also code in health study for marital status and stability. Both of which highly affect birth outcomes.

Re:Diet usually indicates lifestyle (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673671)

What kind of highfalutin hobo lifestyle are you living, man? I'm lucky if I can get my hands on some orange peels and melon rinds!

Re:Diet usually indicates lifestyle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673855)

i've never seen a hobo with severe vitamin deficiencies, like people eating McDonalds though...

Re:Diet usually indicates lifestyle (1)

drainbramage (588291) | about 8 months ago | (#45674231)

I think you are conflating hobo's with bum's.

Re:Diet usually indicates lifestyle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674273)

All hobos are bums, not all bums are hobos

Re:Diet usually indicates lifestyle (1)

pspahn (1175617) | about 8 months ago | (#45674941)

Just for the record, this is not true.

There are plenty of people who "go hoboing", yet they still have a job and legal residence. The same way you might like to play with Legos and watch Big Bang Theory in your spare time, others prefer to hop on a train and take it somewhere.

It's essentially the same argument that Vincent Vega and Jules Winfield had. Vincent just didn't get it.

Re:Diet usually indicates lifestyle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45675139)

Or, to quote from the same film, but a different scene: "Just because you are a character doesn't mean that you have character." - The Wolf

Re:Diet usually indicates lifestyle (1)

ausekilis (1513635) | about 8 months ago | (#45673913)

If your dad was a hobo or only ate bratwurst, I might worry, but otherwise you're getting in a panic for no reason.

This explains Packers and Bears fans.

Re:Diet usually indicates lifestyle (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45675321)

I resemble that remark!

Call me paranoid (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673325)

I may be totally off base, but I worked extra hard to eat right before my wife and I had our son. For some reason, I thought about the "you are what you eat" stuff, and I figured maybe a shitty diet could make my sperm crappy, for lack of a better word. He's pretty healthy and robust, so either I was on to something and/or I'm fortunate.

Re:Call me paranoid (2, Insightful)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about 8 months ago | (#45673589)

Most kids are healthy and happy. With a data sample of one it's hardly surprising that things turned out well. I can tell you this right now, it's much more important to your child's future that you cared than that it is that you changed your diet.

Re:Call me paranoid (4, Informative)

dj245 (732906) | about 8 months ago | (#45673939)

A lot of studies lately have been finding links between the Father's healthiness and birth defects. Everybody knows that as the age of a mother increases, the risks of potential problems also increases. But now we find that old dads [wikipedia.org] are as bad as, or maybe even worse than, old moms. I can easily see a future where potential dads are given exactly the same nutritional, lifestyle, and age advice as the women. Maybe they will even put us on neonatal vitamins.

Re:Call me paranoid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45675097)

No it's not just about caring, read TFA.

Re:Call me paranoid (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674041)

I may be totally off base, but I worked extra hard to eat right before my wife and I had our son. For some reason, I thought about the "you are what you eat" stuff, and I figured maybe a shitty diet could make my sperm crappy, for lack of a better word. He's pretty healthy and robust, so either I was on to something and/or I'm fortunate.

Anal sex is far more likely to make your sperm crappy.

Re:Call me paranoid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674763)

I hope you didn't eat too much bratwurst cause that will make your brat the worst. Psych!!

Re:Call me paranoid (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about 8 months ago | (#45674857)

If your sperm was swimming in crap, you must have been REALLY confused on how to properly get your wife pregnant!

oh crap (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#45673399)

My dad's a cannibal

Re:oh crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673967)

My dad's a cannibal

Yeah, crap, you will have to wait until there is a study on how his diet's diet impacted risk of birth defects.

Re:oh crap (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#45674725)

They sent us such a study, but I gave in to the strange urge to eat it.

News at 11 (1)

paugq (443696) | about 8 months ago | (#45673455)

How is this news? In Europe obstetricians advise women to start taking folic acid (AKA vitamin B9) at least two months before trying to get pregnant. Isn't the same advice given in America?

Re:News at 11 (1)

bluefoxlucid (723572) | about 8 months ago | (#45673555)

Because we're now saying MEN need to start taking folic acid.

Re:News at 11 (2)

peon_a-z,A-Z,0-9$_+! (2743031) | about 8 months ago | (#45673571)

In Europe obstetricians advise women to start taking folic acid (AKA vitamin B9) at least two months before trying to get pregnant. Isn't the same advice given in America?

Well I don't know about you guys, but in America the father is typically a male.

Re:News at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673651)

How is this news? In Europe obstetricians advise women to start taking folic acid (AKA vitamin B9) at least two months before trying to get pregnant. Isn't the same advice given in America?

Derp. Women? The study is about MEN. But the answer of your question is yes. Most pharmacies will even provide prenatals for cheap/free based on need.

Re:News at 11 (1)

paugq (443696) | about 8 months ago | (#45674051)

Replying to myself: obstetricians here ALSO recommend folic acid for fathers-to-be.

Re:News at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674197)

Apparently your father didn't get enough B9 before fucking your mother.

no context (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 8 months ago | (#45673487)

I have a special needs kid, so this topic has some interest for me, but I am not a doctor nor a scientist. That said, from an engineer's point of view, TFA doesn't seem to give context for the 30% figure. If the chances are nominally 100,000 to 1, a 30 percent increase makes it 76,923 to one, which is still, for an individual, highly unlikely. I've also heard that the incidence of people being hit by a falling piano is up 100% this year.

All I'm saying is that the 30% figure sounds good as a headline, but it doesn't tell us whether we should make this a priority or not. (I'm guessing, not.)

Re:no context (2)

compro01 (777531) | about 8 months ago | (#45674501)

If they're talking about birth defects in general, I believe the rate is something like 3% in the USA, so a 30% kick on that would increase the risk to 3.9%.

Re:no context (2)

roc97007 (608802) | about 8 months ago | (#45674841)

If they're talking about birth defects in general, I believe the rate is something like 3% in the USA, so a 30% kick on that would increase the risk to 3.9%.

Good! That's good information. So, the next question might be, are we talking about a 30% increase in all kinds of birth defects, or a 30% increase in only certain kinds of defects? If the types of defects in question are themselves rare *for defects*, we still may be talking about a vanishingly small number.

Re:no context (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 8 months ago | (#45675337)

I've also heard that the incidence of people being hit by a falling piano is up 100% this year.

You're statistically more likely to be adopted by Angelina Jolie than hit by a falling piano.

So there's that.

Is that even relevant? (1)

Jezisheck (2558157) | about 8 months ago | (#45673505)

As I've already heard that mouse's brain chemistry is close to ours, is there really much correlation in offspring genesis too?

I may be too skeptical, but I would remain calm even if I was trying to get my lady pregnant and eating junk-food.

If I'm what my dad ate.... (1)

tekrat (242117) | about 8 months ago | (#45673517)

Then I'm mostly composed of beer........
(and not necessarily a bad thing)

Re:If I'm what my dad ate.... (1)

pr0fessor (1940368) | about 8 months ago | (#45674177)

beer, pickled eggs, and pork rinds... you would think that would make me like watching football or nascar but it didn't.

Curry (1)

GrahamCox (741991) | about 8 months ago | (#45673535)

My daughter must be made of curry, for that's what I ate the night she was conceived. Funny though, she hates curry herself.

Re:Curry (1)

bob_super (3391281) | about 8 months ago | (#45673959)

Curry is an odd name for a woman, but let me reassure you that's it's normal for her daughter to hate her.

Especially if mom followed family tradition and named her Noodle.

Pre-natal vitamins? (3, Insightful)

brunes69 (86786) | about 8 months ago | (#45673727)

One of the primary ingredients in pre-natal vitamins is folate, because it is so important for the fetus. I wonder if this research indicates that fathers trying to conceive should also take pre-natal vitamins.

Re:Pre-natal vitamins? (2)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 8 months ago | (#45674209)

You wonder, do you?

Perhaps read the summary then.

Re:Pre-natal vitamins? (1)

brunes69 (86786) | about 8 months ago | (#45674279)

I did read the summary, and every single linked article. None of the above has a recommendation in it for men to take pre-natal vitamins.

Thanks for the snarky response though, it was very helpful... not.

Re:Pre-natal vitamins? (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 8 months ago | (#45674311)

Seriously?

The summary says this "The researchers found that the mouse offspring of folate-deficient fathers had a 30 percent increased risk of birth defects, compared to those offspring who had received a sufficient amount of folate."

If that's not a suggestion to make sure you have enough folate, then I don't know what is. Do you want someone to literally spell it out for you?

Re:Pre-natal vitamins? (1)

efitton (144228) | about 8 months ago | (#45674609)

Do you think folate is the only thing in a prenatal vitamin? Quantities and other vitamins are also important. I would not take a prenatal vitamin because I probably already have an excess of iron; prenatals have a large dose. In other words, snarky but wrong.

Re:Pre-natal vitamins? (1)

ranton (36917) | about 8 months ago | (#45674889)

Seriously?

The summary says this "The researchers found that the mouse offspring of folate-deficient fathers had a 30 percent increased risk of birth defects, compared to those offspring who had received a sufficient amount of folate."

If that's not a suggestion to make sure you have enough folate, then I don't know what is. Do you want someone to literally spell it out for you?

How does the summary suggest taking pre-natal vitamins at all? The story does not say anything about how drastic the folate-deficiency has to be, or how poor a diet has to be to have folate-deficiency. Perhaps all it takes is eating one steak per year to get enough folate. The summary lists so many things that have folate that anyone who eats more than just Skittles may get plenty. It also may be very easy to be folate-deficient, but the story doesn't mention that at all.

The study is just showing that it is possible for the health of the father at the time of conception to affect birth defect rates. It is an initial study whose only goal is to determine if further studies are necessary. It doesn't make any recommendations about the actual diets that fathers should have.

Re:Pre-natal vitamins? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45675359)

Shh.. do we really want him taking folate at this rate?

I see that you faggots are redirecting everyone to (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45673733)

n/t

Oh (-1, Troll)

Stumbles (602007) | about 8 months ago | (#45673739)

just fuck off. No, you lame ass "I know what's better for you than you" types can kiss my No-No shaved ass and stop gazing at your bellybutton lint, its just lint.

Perectly Wrong (0)

Jim Sadler (3430529) | about 8 months ago | (#45673759)

The title is the exact opposite of the truth. We are not what we eat. We are what we do not poop. So our father's chemistry is also that which he did not poop. Given this insight we can make a correction to a common insult. He is not worth a ##### should be expressed as He is worth what he did not ####.

Not Ubiquitous (2)

roninchurchill (2991659) | about 8 months ago | (#45673891)

The brief is somewhat misleading. It's only found in large amounts in the liver. Most meat has little. Beans and leafy greens are the best sources, but with fortification it's probably not much of a concern for any American.

Controlled for MOM's folate? (4, Interesting)

n1ywb (555767) | about 8 months ago | (#45674037)

I'd like to know if they controlled for the MOTHER's folate level. Afterall, if the mom and dad live together and eat a similar diet, and HE's deficient, it stands to reason that the mom is probably deficient also. None of TFA's seem to talk about it.

Re:Controlled for MOM's folate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45674753)

With the mice they used for the study? Yes, I am willing to bet they controlled for the folate level in the mother mice.

Easy, now... (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 8 months ago | (#45674723)

You Are What Your Dad Ate

Well, that explaons why you're a dick!

Waitress, another Lon-guh Island ice tea please.

AND: (1)

greatgreygreengreasy (706454) | about 8 months ago | (#45674845)

...what your mom didn't!

So I'm Whiskey with Steak? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about 8 months ago | (#45674937)

Dad was a Rugged Man. Rugged, ate meat that was still mooing, Smoked Cuban Cigars and swilled the finest Whiskey.

Explains why I keep trying to refill myself with Johnny Walker Blue.

See that guy wearing shorts on his MC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45675083)

See that guy wearing shorts on his motorcycle? His dad loved calamari.

Aha... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45675087)

That explains why I'm such a pussy...

Anyone else think of this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45675201)

Oh the irony if her last name had been Kummins. Okay, that was bad. :)

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