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YouTube Expands Live Streaming To All Channels

samzenpus posted about 4 months ago | from the free-for-all dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "YouTube today announced it is expanding its live streaming service to all YouTube channels. The Google-owned company now only has two requirements: your account must be verified and it has to be in good standing. If you have both, but don't see the feature yet, don't worry as it's rolling out 'over the next few weeks.' YouTube Live was previously only available to a small number of individuals and YouTube partners whom Google deemed worthy to test it out. The video site then opened up the feature to channels with at least 1,000 subscribers, and then at least 100 subscribers. Now it's available to all."

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Elephant in the room (5, Insightful)

rsilvergun (571051) | about 4 months ago | (#45677393)

Right here [forbes.com] .

Re:Elephant in the room (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45677417)

Finally, the MCNs are subject to the same ContentID bullshit as the rest of us. The people who previously were in it for the money are finding out they are very small fish in a very large ocean, and the automated bots have only just begun to cast their nets.

Re:Elephant in the room (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45677431)

hey it's that post where people complain about kids losing their ad revenue from exploiting commercial games without authorization for monetary reaosns because their tasteless jokes are the product they're paying for screwing money from the publishers. and Youtube is "terrible and worst" for taking their free money away. The gaming industry finally caught on to their dirty tricks and the internet is mad about it.

When Let's Play started on SomethingAwful, no one had the prospect of "leth make money offth our videoths by rape jokesthhth accept youtubes monetary offerth without reading fine printh"

Re:Elephant in the room (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45677449)

This, after Youtube's enabling of mugging people of years of their work, putting them out of a livelihood and giving all their money to some dubious 3rd party that claimed the entire video with copyrights they don't own? "We think you guys would ENJOY being duped a second time."

Twitch, anyone?

Re:Elephant in the room (2)

Black LED (1957016) | about 4 months ago | (#45677767)

Google has been slowly making Youtube worse. First they get rid of channel customization, then they get rid of the ability to have a background image, then they start repeatedly asking for your real name and most recently they make it a requirement that you have a Google+ account to upload videos or to post comments.

Vimeo, Blip and Twitch are looking better every day.

Re:Elephant in the room (2)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 4 months ago | (#45677977)

Google has been slowly making Youtube worse. First they get rid of channel customization, then they get rid of the ability to have a background image, then they start repeatedly asking for your real name and most recently they make it a requirement that you have a Google+ account to upload videos or to post comments.

Vimeo, Blip and Twitch are looking better every day.

It's even worse for content creators. Dave Jones (EEVBlog) rants about the changes that affect content creators [eevblog.com] . These include changes to the commenting system such that it's practically impossible to do a proper reply, including notifications when new comments are posted. Even worse is that all the stuff you get notified about now only happens via G+.

And Twitch is only good for gaming videos - as PS4 owners found out using the camera accessory. At one point Twitch had to ban uploads from PS4s for it, and now they've hidden those links until they're manually approved.

Vimeo might be the best alternative.

Re:Elephant in the room (3, Informative)

firex726 (1188453) | about 4 months ago | (#45678023)

Actually Vimeo expressly prohibits gaming related videos.

http://vimeo.com/help/guidelines [vimeo.com]
> No screen-captures of video games or gameplay videos, even if edited.

Actual game developers are the only exception.

Dailymotion is where they're going (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | about 4 months ago | (#45681421)

Classic Game Room moved there, and has their own site (www.classicgameroom.com). The trouble I have is I miss seeing him in my youtube subscription feed :(

Re:Elephant in the room (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 4 months ago | (#45679205)

Dave Jones (EEVBlog) rants about the changes that affect content creators [eevblog.com] . These include changes to the commenting system such that it's practically impossible to do a proper reply, including notifications when new comments are posted. Even worse is that all the stuff you get notified about now only happens via G+.

Some of his complaints were fixed. It's possible to reply normally now. What still bugs is that to see the parent comment by clicking the "in reply to (name)", the whole video page reloads. In the past, it did not.

Re:Elephant in the room (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45677771)

Right here [forbes.com] .

And dropping 1080p MP4s from HTTP and requiring the laggy DASH crap or separate audio/video downloading remuxing. And dropping 256kpbs audio (even on DASH) for 128kbps.

Re:Elephant in the room (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45679005)

It is not only gamers. Everytime i post something on youtube, i get copyright violation messages, even though I only use music I am allowed to.
Some scammers even claim ownership of things I have made. It a pain in the ass.
Recently I saw a video on Sonys website(iirc) pointing to a Youtube video containing an ad for one of their laptops. Had a good laugh at Sony since it was been blocked and claimed ownership of AOL.

There is likely to be an exodus of Youtube. (4, Interesting)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | about 4 months ago | (#45677415)

There is likely to be an exodus of Youtube. The thing is, that Youtube's current Copyright regime will destroy Youtube. Youtube is fast becoming a site where we are all gullty until Proven innocent, or guilty until guilty no matter what. Hopefully, other sites will appear and take Youtube's place. Even Mark from Classic Game Room is leaving.

Re:There is likely to be an exodus of Youtube. (2)

phantomfive (622387) | about 4 months ago | (#45677465)

Hopefully, other sites will appear and take Youtube's place.

This is why Youtube will still be around. There are already plenty of other sites, but even people like you who are frustrated with Youtube are unaware of those s ites.

Oh really? (1)

tanveer1979 (530624) | about 4 months ago | (#45677563)

Can you let me know of some sites where I can host my videos for free, and also earn a share of the advertising?
Youtube is more or less the only option.

Re: Oh really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45678951)

blip.tv

Re:Oh really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45679141)

If you're expecting free money from ads, then there's your problem.

Re:Oh really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45679213)

What do you mean? That's how advertising works.

Re:There is likely to be an exodus of Youtube. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45677761)

That and hosting on american soil of course.
Youtube created its current Copyright regime for a reason.

Re:There is likely to be an exodus of Youtube. (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 4 months ago | (#45680341)

It was started in San Bruno, CA, so where did you expect them to host it? If they were to move it to India, everyone would be screaming foul!

Oh MY GOD! (-1)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 4 months ago | (#45678267)

Not MARK! Geez god, no, please not him! Tell me he is NOT leaving! This is the END!!!

Who is Mark?

Seriously dude, navelgazing, stop doing it.

Re: There is likely to be an exodus of Youtube. (1)

andy_spoo (2653245) | about 4 months ago | (#45678357)

Very unlikely. YouTube is integrated in to most modern media products e.g. TV's, bluray players, consoles etc. On these, these is pretty much no alternative. And for most end users, it works well. And any alternative that exists, is likely to be sued out of existence by copywrite holders for using game content without permission etc. Google are just covering there arse. It's a business, with a product you've been happily using for free for years. If it were owned by Apple, trust me, it'd be way more limited and protective. You'd probably have to wait for months for your videos to be 'approved', before being listed.

Re:There is likely to be an exodus of Youtube. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45678717)

I agree, YouTube is on the demise.

Has anyone else notice that just recently (2-3 months) the advertising has become much more invasive? It went from OK, here's an ad-every-now-and-again to every three clips, AND, I hit my first unskippable ad the other day.

YouTube is dead to me now. The advertising has made it just like TV and I can no longer recommend its use by anyone.

And don't worry, I don't expect something for nothing, I am quite capable of encoding my own video and hosting it on my own server space.

Re:There is likely to be an exodus of Youtube. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45679369)

What I don't like is that you have to be logged in just to SEE comments. Why?

Realites of business today (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 4 months ago | (#45683323)

Not to give them a free pass, but this 'guilty until proven innocent' is a byproduct of the entertainment industries. If you don't operate this way you WILL be sued by them, and if you are small ( your new start-ups you are wishing for ) you will go out of business. If you are large it will eat away at your bottom line and your board will complain.

My hunch is that Google execs could really care less what is on YouTube personally, and really hate spending the extra resources playing 'copyright cop' but they don't have much of a choice.

yay!! (2)

wbr1 (2538558) | about 4 months ago | (#45677425)

Live cat videos!

Re:yay!! (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about 4 months ago | (#45677567)

Live cat videos!

What???... Is this the new section of the amateur streaming adult entertainment channel [youtube.com] ?

(ducks)

Google is hoping (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 4 months ago | (#45677455)

Google is hoping they can get Twitch's customers without actually having to buy Twitch. Good luck, why would anyone stream from Youtube?

Re:Google is hoping (1)

Hui Chen (3461831) | about 4 months ago | (#45677491)

Actually Youtube may have better infrastructure, on a basis of having so much more capital. Last I heard, Twitch was still netting 20million$ investors, a far cry from Google's numbers. Since the individual clients use a third-party program to connect to the streaming servers (OpenBroadcaster being extremely suitable), all Youtube needs to offer are good server connections - they won't need to code a high quality front end.

Re:Google is hoping (2)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 4 months ago | (#45677613)

why would anyone stream from Youtube?

Because they want to see the content that's being offered. Why is this a question?

Re:Google is hoping (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45678337)

Why would anyone stream from Youtube?

Twitch just removed the ability to have a private stream. I realise that anything going to Twitch/Youtube is barely private in the first place, but it is in the sense I can't accidentally broadcast my authentication credentials live to an audience I don't trust.

Too little too late. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45677589)

Google Plus and Content ID has already ruined Youtube for me. I've moved to twitch and I'm not looking back.

Re:Too little too late. (2)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | about 4 months ago | (#45677939)

Unfortunately, Twitch does not have any content (apart from games).

Re:Too little too late. (1)

firex726 (1188453) | about 4 months ago | (#45678037)

And on the mobile you cannot watch past broadcasts, only live ones; and not offered on the PS3.

Meanwhile damn near anything with a screen or that can output to one will have a Youtube app on it.

Re:Too little too late. (1)

Hui Chen (3461831) | about 4 months ago | (#45678129)

yeah this is going to be interesting to see how twitch will handle this one, google should be able to offer the exact same level of service or better from day 0

Re:Too little too late. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45678975)

Well, the youtube app doesn't play any videos on my android phone either, so at least it's on par with a Google offering.

Re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45684647)

Games are 80% of my content anyways. No sweat off my ass.

Stopped using gmail two months ago (1)

Adult film producer (866485) | about 4 months ago | (#45677729)

And I will not willingly place my business associates in a high risk situation using google products. I will not use any of their other services any further.

Re:Stopped using gmail two months ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45679221)

I'm sure they'll miss you

Re:Stopped using gmail two months ago (1)

Ksevio (865461) | about 4 months ago | (#45680079)

Why is Google a "high risk situation"? They've been around for quite a while.

Re:Stopped using gmail two months ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45683853)

Because the NSA is Google's number one customer. Google provides them with more user data than all other companies combined.

Wirecast for YouTube (1)

Jonah Hex (651948) | about 4 months ago | (#45677891)

Anyone seen if Wirecast is still part of the package?

Wirecast for YouTube is Here! [telestream.net]

11 April 2012 - Finally we can talk about it! YouTube announced some significant improvements to YouTube Live, and Wirecast for YouTube is one of them! YouTube Partners who are authorized for livestreaming can now download Wirecast for YouTube free of charge, enjoy the gorgeous and intuitive UI, and stream their content directly to YouTube.

How will this work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45678005)

I can't even get regular non-live streaming to work without constant stopping, even on 480p settings over my 100/5 internet. I have no idea how they will do with live streaming if they can't get non-live stuff to work properly.

Re:How will this work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45678431)

Exactly. If i want to "see" a music video, i can't listen to it with my phone in the car, because it keeps crapping out. It's not even that it only pauses, sometimes, too many times, it just stops loading the video. Why can't it load the whole damn video or have some parameters to adjust the buffer size or have sound only option or something. Even with good connections it pauses too often.

YouTube playback issues (1)

spaceyhackerlady (462530) | about 4 months ago | (#45680757)

Indeed. That will, eventually, kill YouTube far more effectively than intrusive ads or changes in terms of service.

I first noticed playback issues earlier this year. Everybody is complaining about it. The support forums are full of platitudes about updating plugins and flushing one's cache. None of which makes any difference: YouTube is broken. And if it doesn't actually work, i.e. deliver content, the advertising is going to be irrelevant.

My preferred browser is Chrome, BTW. If YouTube doesn't work properly with Google's own browser, we're in big trouble.

...laura

Youtube? What's Youtube? (3, Interesting)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about 4 months ago | (#45678103)

When Google started shoving G+ down everyYoutube user's throat, I abandoned my 10+ year old Youtube account and moved all my videos to Vimeo and Dailymotion.

Youtube is Google is a privacy nightmare.

The last video I posted on Youtube before letting my account go derelict is a static image with a text describing why I will upload my videos elsewhere, and where to find them, and that video got many, MANY likes and comments from upset users. To me, that says I'm far from being the only Youtube user who's sickened by what Google has turned it into.

Re:Youtube? What's Youtube? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45678447)

Can you provide any examples where the privacy of Youtube/G+ is worse than that of Vimeo? Both want you to provide a Name and an Email address. Both use cookies to track you. And how comes you consider the need for a G+ account a bad thing, but a facebook/Vimeo account is OK?

Re:Youtube? What's Youtube? (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 4 months ago | (#45681365)

Can you provide any examples where the privacy of Youtube/G+ is worse than that of Vimeo? Both want you to provide a Name and an Email address. Both use cookies to track you. And how comes you consider the need for a G+ account a bad thing, but a facebook/Vimeo account is OK?

Interesting.

I do not have a G+ account (nor twitter, nor FB, nor Pinterest, etc), but I have my YouTube account. And, while they do ask for a name or did awhile back ask to join G+, I just ignored that and they let me keep my account that I started with a non-gmail account.

I'd not known that you now had to have a G+ account to have a YouTube acct. Interesting.

Re: Youtube? What's Youtube? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45678959)

YouTube isn't 10+ years old.

Re:Youtube? What's Youtube? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45679115)

Dailymotion is terrible. No HTML5, terrible search and they removed Playlists that were associated with each video which made up for the terrible search system. Amongst other things.

Re:Youtube? What's Youtube? (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 4 months ago | (#45680367)

My biggest beef w/ them was that videos that were uploaded couldn't exceed 10 or 15 minutes, or some such arbitrary limit.

My Vimeo issue (1)

justthinkit (954982) | about 4 months ago | (#45685573)

I tried to upload a video to Vimeo. After the initial upload they _warned_ me that my video was below their guidelines when it came to framerate, which is true. Since my video [youtube.com] had no motion in it, just a hundred or so images, I didn't see the issue. Plus they did _not_ say they were rejecting or stopping the rest of the process (whereby they convert the video or whatever they do). Instead they said they were processing it...and the status stayed this week for several weeks (until I gave up checking). I also emailed them about this video and received no response.

Much as I like the quality of Vimeo, this kind of treatment makes me not want to bother trying to upload anything more there.

It's an interesting development (3, Interesting)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 4 months ago | (#45678425)

Several month ago we set up a server to live stream some of our faculty lectures. Now we'll have to look into whether it makes sense to continue running our own server - it's not like YouTube is unreliable or costs us anything, and we already post the recordings on our YouTube channel afterward.

But I must admit the ham-handed attempts by Google to force you into maintaining a Google+ presence to go along with your YouTube channel is highly annoying! And I do wonder if yet another shoe will be dropping soon. If Google thought they could force everyone to share their YouTube videos from their Google+ pages without killing their cash cow, I'm sure they'd have done it by now. At present, all they've succeeded at is annoying people.

Re:It's an interesting development (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45678627)

Exactly - YT is free and you can embed them on any web page. When corporate office wouldn't allow us a streaming server, or even server space for videos, we went to YT.

Re:It's an interesting development (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45678725)

Just remember that YouTube will be showing ads to your students, and some of those ads are unskippable.

Is that the corporate/educational image you want for your institution? Students should not be distracted by advertising when they go to your website to watch lectures for classes.

I strongly encourage you to pull the plug from YouTube and host your own video material. It's VERY easy to do these days, just encode up the video in the right format and use one of the many open source player "widgets" (for want of a better word) to show them on your site.

Re:It's an interesting development (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about 4 months ago | (#45679739)

Using ad block and no script I havent seen an add on youtube in, well i dont think ive ever seen one before.

Re:It's an interesting development roxy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45681277)

I am sure they will soon be offering "premium" accounts that have differing amounts of advertising so they can get a constant stream of money from the uploaders. Vimeo has proven the market, so YouTube sees there is demand. Maybe $99/year for a basic account up to $499 for corporate accounts. Why should they host and stream your material for free? Why pass on all that free money? And you cannot host your own video material if you get any more than a handful of views per hour.

Re:It's an interesting development (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 4 months ago | (#45690953)

Education Apps customers actually have the option of not allowing ads to be included with their YouTube videos.

At this point in time, in any case.

Re:It's an interesting development (1)

Dr. Zim (21278) | about 4 months ago | (#45679241)

But I must admit the ham-handed attempts by Google to force you into maintaining a Google+ presence to go along with your YouTube channel is highly annoying!

You can always make a G+ account just for the purpose of youtube, yet never use it for anything else, right?

Re:It's an interesting development (1)

Fluffy the Destroyer (3459643) | about 4 months ago | (#45679555)

yes but people don't seem to get that. I did just that so it's not really a big problem. I don't take care of my G+ account. And honestly, you just gotta be careful with what you upload nowadays. You HAVE to make sure you got permission to use someone elses work. This means, uploaders HAVE to work and stop being lazy and bitchy. I do make faire share of work and upload video game commentary and I never got a strike (yet). If i do, then I didn't check everyone...plain and simple. thats how it works...

Re:It's an interesting development (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45687973)

So you must have two accounts where previously only one was required. Fantastic.

Google didn't make this change to for any other reason than to artificially inflate the userbase on Google+; the same reason they started requiring it for Google Play. They failed with Wave, they failed with Buzz, they failed with Google+, but they are too stubborn and stupid to realize that nobody wants it.

For me, this was the final straw. I've moved over to using Microsoft services almost exclusively. All that is left to do is buy a new phone and throw away my Android phone.

Re:It's an interesting development (1)

dj245 (732906) | about 4 months ago | (#45680647)

This is a huge pain in the ass. I am attending university part time and their email system uses Gmail. Switching back and forth between my main Google profile and my school email is usually a painful process, one which often dumps me into error pages, redirect loops, or back to a homepage. Other open tabs are automatically logged out of one account when I switch to the other.

Re:It's an interesting development (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45683801)

I have the same issue at work, simply use incognito for one of the two accounts. It is even more useful in the office, to make sure no cookies of my personal account are saved to the machine.

Re:It's an interesting development (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 4 months ago | (#45681521)

You can always make a G+ account just for the purpose of youtube, yet never use it for anything else, right?

Yet if you do not enable multiple account signins, Google will be more than happy to merge your accounts together. It's constantly asking even post-merge if I want to keep my youtube signin and name versus using my G+ profile.

This is a huge pain in the ass. I am attending university part time and their email system uses Gmail. Switching back and forth between my main Google profile and my school email is usually a painful process, one which often dumps me into error pages, redirect loops, or back to a homepage. Other open tabs are automatically logged out of one account when I switch to the other.

There's a setting to enable multiple account signins - I use it as I have a Gmail and a GApps account which are separate from each other (The GApps came from an friend's hosting account who moved all the stuff to Google). In the personal profile, go to your settings and enable multiple sign-in (it's off by default presuming you want to avoid the situation where you have a few dozen tabs all logged in and mass confusion). Just enable it, then log out of both accounts. Log into your main account then open a new tab and you should be able to log into your school account.

SWEET! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45678671)

Sweet! A service that has never worked once for me! Great going their Google, you geniuses you!

And I give no fucks that it doesn't work because nobody in their right mind will want to use it after all that copyright crap recently.

I'm Unfamiliar (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45679719)

Can someone explain to me how this service compares to the likes of UStream or Twitch.tv?
What is this YouTube service intended to be used for?
How is it better or worse than the previously mentioned services?

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