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Gamespy.com's "Top 50 Games of All Time"

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the any-list-is-wrong dept.

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Alex Bischoff writes "In this article, Gamespy.com rates the "Top 50 Games of All Time" (both console and computer games), including commentary from developers at 3DRealms, id Software, Monolith Productions and others. Needless to say, Daikatana is not on the list ;)."

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329 comments

What about Sierra-style adventures? (1)

Tack (4642) | more than 12 years ago | (#2109607)

Sierra's *Quest games were pretty popular last decade too. King's Quest I was a great, challenging game, and set the stage for a new genre of gaming. Let's also not forgot Space Quest, Police Quest, and the ever-perverted Leisure Suit Larry!

Jason.

Maniac Mansion (4, Insightful)

blogan (84463) | more than 12 years ago | (#2110988)

What? Maniac Mansion didn't make it onto the list! That game was great. Pick your characters and depending which characters you pick, you solve the game differently (they all have special talents). I think the only combination that didn't work was picking the two people that could repair the phones, because the phone repairing required another talent. Alot of the game was thinking, but some of it was how fast you could react (such as going into the kitchen and running from Edna to not get caught and then just walk through the kitchen).

If only they'd come out with Maniac Mansion 3.

Re:Maniac Mansion (2, Insightful)

polar red (215081) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112218)

I completely agree ... lucasarts did make some very good games, of which none were on the list :
maniac mansion, day of the tentacle, the monkey island series... And I have the distinct feeling most games mentioned weren't older than 5 years. I guess they only interviewed very young people who didn't even touch a C64 in all there lives.
My number one game of all time is and will ever be Maniac mansion.

Re:Maniac Mansion (1)

duffbeer703 (177751) | more than 12 years ago | (#2127953)

Definately.

Wasteland was a 150% better RPG than the Bard's Tale, which was more of an exercise in mapping skills than anything else.

They should have mentioned Starflight (from RA in 1986) instead of shitty rpg's like Wizardry.

Also, Command HQ by Dan Bunten should have made an appearance.

HE IS RIGHT (2, Insightful)

thopo (315128) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150400)

God Lord, i didn't even noticed it. But you are right. And it is a shame the game is not on the list. I've played this game forever on my C64! I didn't know you could save the game so i had to start i new game every time and unfortunately the day is quite short and me and a friend of mine probably replayed it 50 times until we finished it :)
Oh my, that brings some memories back.

Pirates! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2111555)

It is not on the list? *SNIFF*
And where are all the great C64 and Amiga games? This has to be a joke.

No ZX Spectrum games? (1)

Varitek (210013) | more than 12 years ago | (#2111851)

I guess the list of coders they asked must have been predominately European. It's the only reason I can think of for no Sinclair Spectrum or BBC Micro games to be mentioned. Manic Miner. Revs. Jet Set Willy. Chuckie Egg. Atic Attack.

And, of course, one of the most innovative games ever, the one that blazed the trail that Wing Commander followed, the first truly open-ended game I remember, the one that did free-360-degree-motion in 48k - Elite

Re:No ZX Spectrum games? (1)

Varitek (210013) | more than 12 years ago | (#2127456)

Uh. I meant predominately American of course

Bias towards FPS Games (2, Interesting)

doozer (7822) | more than 12 years ago | (#2111853)

Now, I'll agree that they are probably the biggest selling genre, but what about the games that predated them:

- Nethack / Moira / Etc - Where would the fps/rpg game be without these?
- Infocom games - Same as the last
- Just about any early Sierra game - There haven't been many games that have done as
much groundbreaking as say, the King's Quest
games

Other types of games:
- Microsoft flight simulator
- Lemmings
- Incrdible Machine
- Pong

I think there list should have been alot different

Count the clones! (1)

jeti (105266) | more than 12 years ago | (#2111896)

I think a really good way to measure the importance of a game is to count the number of clones created. I think there are not only dozens but HUNDREDS of clones of titles like Artillery Duel, Asteroids, and BoulderDash.

Of course it's hard to decide what has still to be considered a clone.

Again? (5, Insightful)

Kupek (75469) | more than 12 years ago | (#2111897)

For those of you who don't visit videogame sites with any regularity, you should probably know that these sites do an "Top $num Games" feature damn near every other week. So don't take this one to be the ultimate judgement of anything, if you think something is missing, it's probably because the few people who came up with it (surprise, surprise) have different tastes than you do.

Missing Some? (2, Informative)

EarTrumpet (85772) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112213)

They did list Zork, but in my opinion they were missing Colossal Cave Adventure [delphi.com] & Nethack [nethack.org] .

Teenager games (5, Insightful)

Dexter77 (442723) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112214)

That list seems to be made by teenagers who never saw 80's games. There's no doubt that a person who has played games from the beginning of the 80's till today would've made entirelly different list.
I have to say that I'm more than amused of the choices that made to the list.
It's needless to argue about opinions, but some of those choices were like comparing the LOTR to a comic book.

Re:Teenager games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2136163)

Only wierd thing...So many of the early ultima games...i'm sorry but i played those when they where new, and it wasn't that good, not till ultima 6 or so did it really get fun, that was after garriot got warren spacter working for him on it. Only one wizardry game? that's robbery. Wizardry 6: bane of the cosmic forge and wizardry 7: crusaders of the dark savant or some of the best rpgs ever. It looks like they cluelessly slapped in a few old games to make it look like they where really gamers back in the day and not just some generic poof who got creative writing degree in college and wanting to work for a internet company, heh. Cuase when it came to the old games, they had some puzzling shit. They probably flipped through PC Gamers top 50 and stole out a few old games heh. Thank god both System Shocks got on there. And Ultima Underworld.

Damn, what about Alone in the dark, that game was awsome and the first of it's genre, it was one of those "and a new genre is borne" kinda moments in gameing.

Never heard of this game (4, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112216)

The only game listed in that article is one I've never heard of. Has anyone played "Not enough storage is available to process this command.", and is it any good?

Re:Never heard of this game (2)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2111368)

Has anyone played "Not enough storage is available to process this command.", and is it any good?

No, it sucks. It also requires a special controller, something called a CowboyNeal. Instead of having a trigger or buttons, it has something called a slashdot effect.

I got past the final level by mashing the refresh button repeatedly. Damn, I hate simple button mashers.

--
Evan

Nothing better to do (0, Redundant)

phantumstranger (310589) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112219)

on a Sunday morning than /. a harmless 'ole site beyond belief?

Hehehe, I can't talk, I helped too. Oh well, maybe heading over to ThinkGeek is in order (or is it just the banner ad up there?).

This list is obviously bullshit. (5, Funny)

Sax Maniac (88550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112220)

I can't find Who Wants To Be A Millionaire [eidosinteractive.co.uk] or Deer Hunter [planetdeerhunter.com] at all on there. Goddamn elitists.

Some Classics Missing? (1)

cmdrsed (472978) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112305)

I read the whole thing but I might have overlooked one of the spots. However, where are some of the great puzzle games from Lucas Arts? Sam & Max Hit The Road, Day of the Tentacle, etc. These were wonderful games!

Re:Some Classics Missing? (1)

Varitek (210013) | more than 12 years ago | (#2111891)

I totally agree about Day of the Tentacle. Still the best puzzle based point-n-clicker I've played - inventive time-travel puzzles, excellent humour, and the first game I remember that had sound clips for everything that was spoken. The concept of flushing objects down the toilet to send them to the future should have guaranteed a top-50 spot. Shrinking a sweater in a drier so you could warm up the hamster you had frozen in an ice machine for 200 hundred years in order that his hamster wheel could provide power - that genius should have made it top-ten.

Biased towards PC/console, not just FPS (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2112307)

While there were a few nods to non-PC, non-console games, most of those (e.g. Empire) eventually made it to the PC platform.
  • Here's my take on what's missing:
  • Dungeon Master. Very cool, very addictive, very Amiga. I think they eventually made a PC version.
  • Myst/Riven. I may have missed them in the list, but I swear they weren't there. HUGE oversight. Even if you hate things without gunfire and splattering guts, Myst was an incredible paradigm break, spawned a few clones, sold a bazillion copies, and, most importantly it introduced a lot of non-gamers to gaming!
  • Moria, Hack, NetHack. Or even Larn or Omega. Anything from rec.games.roguelike. I still like pulling up Moria on Linux because the gameplay kicks butt, even with VT100 graphics.
  • Spaceward Ho! I still think that Ho! was the first real game that was able to adapt PBM-style gaming into multiplayer, turn-based network games. Heck, we had a Ho!-down for my bachelor party.
That's enough for now. Who could play all those FPS's without going crazy? I mean, yeah, I've played a few and enjoyed it, but the list was CLEARLY biased in that direction.

Re:Biased towards PC/console, not just FPS (1)

Dexter77 (442723) | more than 12 years ago | (#2111888)

>Dungeon Master. Very cool, very addictive, very Amiga. I think they eventually made a PC version

You seem to be forgetting that Dungeon Master was first made to Atari ST and run on 512k; amiga version came a lot later and needed 1Mbyte (=memory extension since A500 contained only 512k).

Clasics (1)

KFK2 (23515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112310)

You know, they could've at least included some clasics like PONG or some text based RPG's that came out before graphics that paved the way for the games we have to day.. and as another person mentioned, isn't one or two FPS enough? and in all honesty, Half Life was a cross between Quake and an RPG.. Kenny

Re:Clasics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2110310)

what do you think zork is mang.

Missing out some classics (1)

xiox (66483) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112837)

It seems very biased towards newer games, when other games were much more important. For example:

Elite
Elite II
Adventure (plus other important adventure games)
Pacman
...

Okay they put Tetris in there, and I agree with Doom as number 1.

Because it's American, not european.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2130918)

All the pre-90s games in the list are either PC games or Nintendo games, cause they didn't play on anything else in the states. They never had BBC's, C64s, spectrums, amigas, atari STs or anything else we would classify as a non-PC "home computer" (well, at least, not in such large proportions). It's highly unlikely these guys never even PLAYED elite. Or any of the following, for that matter : Elite (the mighty) The last ninja trilogy The Turrican trilogy Microprose Soccer (first ever top-down football game?) International Karate (and IK+!) Marble madness Carrier Command Lotus esprit turbo challenge Speedball 2 Shadow of the beast Trailblazer Head over heels Jet set willy Super Stardust Mercenary (did anybody ever manage to complete this?!) Another World Sentinel ...need I go on? Meanwhile, there's a few ommitions that they MUST have played.. Descent? Carmageddon? (surely the most hilarious fun 8 people can have on a LAN? :-)).

Jumpman (3, Insightful)

rknop (240417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112883)

Did anybody ever play Jumpman from Epyx on the Commodore 64? I loved that game. Spent many hours playing it back in high school.

More recently, I was sad that Myth II didn't make it to the top-50 list.

-Rob

This is news? (3, Interesting)

Sarcasmooo! (267601) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112888)

Ok, maybe it's just that I hate GSI, it's questionable business ethics, it's crappy content, and it's lame humor, but why is this news? Front page news even? I could spend the next 5 years making a list of all the 5,000 gaming networks and the 20,000 lists they've made that rate games in every possible way by all categories imaginable. But it only takes one sentence to describe every single list: Useless content-filler written by people that have to pander to the company responsible for every eligible game, or risk being refused 'exclusive content' in the future. I'd be curious to know how many of the 50 asses that were kissed in this list are presently in no position to reciprocate.

Bah. (4, Insightful)

Snowfox (34467) | more than 12 years ago | (#2114167)

That list is painfully biased toward first-person shooters where action games are concerned. I'm not a FPS or strategy fan, so about 2/3 of that list gets a huge yawn.

Let me give props to my faves -

Give me Paradroid 90 on the Amiga. Give me Uridium on the C-64. Give me Attack of the Mutant Camels on the C-64. Give me the NES and Turbo Grafx 16 ports of Galaga. Gate of Thunder and Lords of Thunder on the Turbo Grafx CD are so beautifully perfect they'll bring tears to your eyes, and Super Star Soldier on the Turbo Grafx quite possibly has the most perfectly tweaked play of any shooter ever.

I loved Tempest 2000 on the Saturn (I'm biased - I wrote half of that and most of Tempext/X3 on PSX.) A&E was sweet and very replayable on the Apple ][, but not half as replayable as Lode Runner on the same. Jump Man was great on every platform, and cloyingly cute as it is, Flicky may have been the best Genesis game.

Re:Bah. (1)

TomV (138637) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112311)

That list is painfully biased toward first-person shooters

...and also towards newer games.

Now, technically speaking, obviously, the likes of Halflife appear to blow out the games of a decade ago totally. But really, to achieve Halflife on an MMX Pentium, while a great technical achievement, is maybe not quite on a par with achieving my personal favourite...

Elite on a 6502-based BBC micro. (other versions don't quite make it in my book).

To generate 8 galaxies of 256 planets from a randomizing algorithm taking just 3 bytes of seed data, and create within those galaxies an open-ended game, playable as real-time action, strategy, trading, exploration, and with no fixed ending, was nothing short of genius by Braben and Bell. It's a game I still play today. 17 years after it was released.

A couple of others that this geriatric would have liked to see on the list

  • Pole Position - the first Geoff Crammond racing game I played, progenitor of the Grand Prix series now at v3 and still blindingly good. In fact, where were the racers?
  • Frak, Chuckie, Manic Miner, the whole Platform Game genre. which was perhaps as pervasive all those years back as the FPS's seem to be now. And of course Attack of the Mutant Camels and all the Llamatron stuff (vast respect ot the eternal YAK)
  • The Hobbit, and the whole Adventure genre, only lightly touched upon. And for that matter the original MUD's were, if not widely played by the standards of today's console market, gargantuanly influential.
  • Someone mentioned Pong. Today, it would seem stupidly simplistic. But it must be one of the all-time great games, along with Spacewar and Star Trek, simply because of the number of us turned on to the whole Computer thing at the time, and still working in the field two decades later. Yup, it's Pong's fault I'm in on a sunny sunday afternoon, and I don't hold it against it for one moment, because it was a genuinely eye-opening great game and the fascination it triggered is still in me today.
Enough

Elite, anyway.

TomV

Re:Bah. (3, Insightful)

Snowfox (34467) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126169)

Bomberman.

No game list is complete without Bomberman, and I left that off.

Until you've had a bunch of guys over for beer and Bomberman, you haven't had fun.

Go with Bomberman or Bomberman '93 on the Turbo Grafx. '94 and later, and the SNES ports go overboard on the features and ruin the simple skill-based fun of the game.

Re:Bah. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2147770)

First person shooters are so fucking boring. Half-life breathed a little life back into the genre but even that got boring. The latest, Max Payne looked real pretty on my super expensive video card, but the gameplay was only moderatly above snoozefest. And RTS, sure it's kinda fun at first, but that's the same shit over and over with these games. RPG is at least a diverse genre, many different styles and feels. Why can't shooters or RTS be like that.

This may sound retarded, but i wouldn't mind playing a nice side scrolling platform jumper again. Super mario 2 or 3 style. Does everything have to be 3d now just cuase it can?

Civ and Quake behind Warcraft? (1)

tre (172905) | more than 12 years ago | (#2114587)

Maybe it's just me, but weren't those alot more popular games? Doom took #1 which I can't entirely agree or disagree with because it is definately a classic, but I think the top 10 list is a bit askew. I wonder what type of monetary compensation, if any, gamespy is getting or has gotten from "selling" positioning in that list...

Bah! Where are Pacman? Asteroids? Missile Command? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2122353)

They skipped the real classics that made billions of dollars in arcades everywhere. And I didn't see any games before 1981. Guess games didn't exist before the IBM PC. How could they? Also, they seemed not to want to mention the 'A' word (Atari). They even showed a picture of Atari's arcade Tetris and claimed it was released by Spectrum Holobyte?!

Damned revisionist basterds[sic].

Re:Bah! Where are Pacman? Asteroids? Missile Comma (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2126184)

Yes, Asteroids was the first game to track high scores and let players assign their initials to them, and to think up many ways to fit profanity into three letters. Get the number 1 and number 2 spots to be able to write longer messages. And if you get #2 but can't reach the top scorer, you enter "SUX" so that everyone can see that the number one player "sucks". Heh.

And missile command had something kids who never experienced the cold war just miss. Maybe Bush's "missile defense" program will bring this game back some ways into the mainstream. The spooky part was that on the higher levels it is impossible to defent all 6 cities. So what do you do? Defend the one city nearest to the middle base and let the others get blown away. Which is probably what would happen in real life.

As for Pac Man... the first game popular among GIRLS! Something which modern games STILL fail to address. The cute graphics seemed to attract more girls than to any other video game.

I would also add Dragon's Lair. The first game that minimized gameplay and turned games into a sequence of FMV clips. The "gameplay" was just an annoying interlude. In this respect DL was waaaaaaaaaay ahead of its time. It failed then, but today games like this succeed.

Re:Civ and Quake behind Warcraft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2125983)

Yea I sorta wondered the same thing. I mean Warcraft was fun but CIV was a game that REALLY sucked you in for days on end. Quake is THE video game in my book. People have Quake Tattoos, cars. You name it. For a while they only thing people did was play Quake online. It really was the first video game to bring the net together into a vast comunity. Warcraft?! Hello

What a gyp~! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2114588)

No free trip to North Korea?!

What about Mayhem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2115555)

Nothing like Cannibalism, Suicide, Murder, and Church burnings to start off your day.

FIST post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2115580)

right up Hemos ASS!

Re:FIST post (-1)

CmdrTaco on (468152) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126915)

First post's on weekends don't count. Too easy. Like yo mamma!

Re:FIST post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2127955)

>First post's on weekends don't count.

No need for the apostrophe in the word "posts" in that sentence.

:-)

Re:FIST post (-1)

CmdrTaco on (468152) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126193)

Shit, you're right.

What The? (1)

pentae (61947) | more than 12 years ago | (#2116062)

Why didnt Sierra's 'Leisure Suit Larry' make it to the top 50? :(

Their top 10 (1)

jeko (179919) | more than 12 years ago | (#2116339)

1. DOOM
2. Half-Life
3. Warcraft 2
4. Sid Meier's Civilization
5. Quake
6. Diablo
7. Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
8. Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss
9. Starcraft
10. Legend of Zelda
I cannot believe Star Raiders for the Atari 400 did not make the list...

Super Mario Brothers 3. [Re:Their top 10] (1)

Forge (2456) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112884)

Super Mario Brothers 3.

Games are about playing for enjoyment. SMB3 is the hands down winner in this category. It has a level of complexity and changing terain that I havn't seen anywhere else. It has ways of changing your characters capabilities and more importantly it has so manny diferent vilans as to drive you mad.

I have sat down and played throgh the whole thing the long way (world by world without the jump zones) then upon completion start over again with 30 "P-Wings" in my stash.

There simply isn't another game that can wast 6 straight hours of my time.

You forgot Leisure Suit Larry!!! (1)

Robber Baron (112304) | more than 12 years ago | (#2119598)

I don't believe it! Shoulda been in the top 10! Didn't even make the top 50??? Come on!

No Goonies II? (1)

shadowcabbit (466253) | more than 12 years ago | (#2119745)

How exactly could GameSpy forget to put this game on the list? I mean, the Goonies II was obviously the game that inspired Konami to work on Castlevania: SOTN (yeah, so they did take a bit from Metroid, too, but that's not on the list either).
Come to think of it, I'm noticing a distinct anti-console slant. Consoles have had an extremely large role in promoting and boosting video gaming in the past ten years, IMO.

Re:No Goonies II? (1)

shadowcabbit (466253) | more than 12 years ago | (#2120957)

I stand corrected. Super Metroid is on the list. Please don't flame me.

Super Metroid -- SNES (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2121145)

I'd have to say the most kickass and positively scary console game of all time has to be Super Metroid for SNES. At the same time, the Megaman, Dragon Warrior and Castlevania series on NES were probably the best console series I've ever played.

ICEPHREAK

donno don't care (0, Flamebait)

isudoru (452928) | more than 12 years ago | (#2121146)

quake forever and blah blah blah.... ooh, whats this? halflife?

Re:donno don't care (1)

m0zone (309569) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112886)

Quake 1 runs half life maps now and CS etc etc plus its open source :P it shoulda got 2 place next to doom :)

http://tomaz.quakesrc.org/

http://darkplaces.gamevisions.com/

http://www.telefragged.com/openquake/

Half-life was ok but any game where you have to play jumping puzzles get old fast rather be forced to play myst while watching texas ranger

m0zone

what they got right ... and wrong (1)

thopo (315128) | more than 12 years ago | (#2121147)

Ok i really hoped that DOOM would be #1 and then i clicked the link and there .. there .. there is DOOM! Excellent. Everyone knows this game or at least has heard sth. about it and back in the days everyone played it. So congratulations on a wise choice.

But i noticed sth. else: Why is Diablo f.e. #6 and Legend of Zelda only #10. Zelda is probably the best game series EVER and everyone now in his twenties should get a fuzzy feeling when he looks back.
I think they made the mistake to compare the games with their actual play/fun value. They should have compared them on the play/fun value they had while they came out. And here you can clearly see that Zelda was far more popular and fun then Diablo was (and Zelda is probably even more fun today - this can be argued).

You're right. (1)

Mustang Matt (133426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2123262)

If I had to sit down and choose between a Diablo and Zelda. I'd pick Zelda in a heartbeat.

At least the first three Zelda's. I never got into the new n64 zeldas. They were too slow paced for me. Maybe I just never gave them a chance.

Somewhere on the net there is even a 3rd quest rendition someone did by hacking the original NES rom. They did a good job too. It's really fun.

Re:You're right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2112890)

Do not forget the Zelda for Game Boy (Link's Awakening). It's not as popular because people assume it's not as good, but it's possibly the best of the series.

Super mario 64 shouldn't have made it so high! (1)

Mustang Matt (133426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2122352)

It was a decent game but if you look at some of the limited hardware the others had to work with, I'd say they outrank it. FF3 and Tetris should have been much higher IMHO.

Besides, where are Mighty Bomb Jack and Star Voyager?

I wish there was a place I could download all the old games that are no longer in print.

Re:Super mario 64 shouldn't have made it so high! (1)

WoefullyFat (324813) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126190)

A lot of people get games from www.theunderdogs.org. I don't, though, because it's illegal! :-)

My pick (0)

sjhs (453964) | more than 12 years ago | (#2122764)

moon-buggy is the best game ever!

Where is Descent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2122887)

Descent 3 in particular, when played with a joystick with a hat, is the slickest 3D experience ever. Being a physics geek myself, I always appreciated how they went out of their way to be accurate about inertia and momentum.

Pirates or Dune 2? (0)

gamorck (151734) | more than 12 years ago | (#2124340)

Where was Pirates on that list? That game is a masterpiece that has yet to be cloned. Not only that but the game existed on a HUGE number of platforms (Amiga, C64, PC, NES, Genesis). Im disappointed.

Not to mention - where the hell was Dune 2? I mean that game STARTED the RTS genre. I played that game for a LONG LONG time.

You gotta love it when newer gamers make their top whatever lists. They really leave alot out. Of course - I think its great that Zork made the list. And one more thing - where the hell were the sierra adventure games?

Gam
"Flame at Will"

No Myst and no Sierra Online _ Quest games (1)

Nelson (1275) | more than 12 years ago | (#2124341)

I scanned the list kind of quick but did I miss those?


There wasn't a lot on there that I thought shouldn't be, just the placement was a little screwy but I honestly don't see how you can have StarCraft and WarCraft in the top 20 and not have Myst or Rivan or a Sierra game like King's Quest. That was hugely revolutionary shit when it came out. In PC land I would say it was probably the most revolutionary game until around the time tetris showed up.

Bias (3, Insightful)

worldwideweber (116531) | more than 12 years ago | (#2125982)

I saw a little bias towards first-person shooters here. Personally, I am willing to admit that one first-person shooter should have been on the list, but that many on the top 10?

Also, not a single sports game on the list? I think any tennis game (or its simple predecessor PONG) should have been given a nod.

And ZELDA is the best game ever :) !

Re:Bias (2)

iso (87585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2111892)

Agreed. The first few first-person shooters were impressive but since "Quake" there have been only a few that actually progressed the genre. I refuse to believe that there were that many genuinly good FPS games in the past few years.

One glaring omission (unless I missed it somewhere) was the lack of a single Sierra *Quest game. Sure King's Quest got pretty silly when it became all point-and-click but King's Quest I was a great game for it's time, King's Quest III was really well done, and the Space Quest series was really clever. At least one of these deserves to be on the top 50 games of all time. It's good to see they remembered Star Control II though. ;)

- j

Re:Bias (2)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2122766)

I saw a little bias towards first-person shooters here.

A *little* bias? Gimmie a break - these guys have the same tastes that I do (RPG and RTS), but there is a serious bias evident even to me. Plus a bias in terms of era of game play. You can see when the reviewers got into games, and what shaped their opinions.

Incidently, it doesn't include arcade games or early pre-PC games. Besides the easy Pac-Man Defender and Dig Dug, I'd have to toss a few into the hat like the friggin' incredible Below the Root (Beneath the Root?), Rescue Rangers (that was the choplifter where you built an army, right?), Apple Panic (okay, I'm starting to date myself), Epoch (damn, that was an addictive game), MULE (Ok, I didn't like it, but it was a classic), and Jumpman (no, not Jumpman VGA, the original C64 version).

Of course, they might have reasons (like a cut off date or something), but since I can't read the article...

--
Evan

Re:Bias (2)

frknfrk (127417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2136689)

RBI baseball is the best NES game ever :) Actually what is really funny is that my wife is in the other room playing ZELDA right now. I'm so glad I've kept my NES in good shape. Zelda, Super Mario 3, and RBI baseball get more playtime than my Playstation. Somehow all the 'neato graphics' lose a lot of ground on playability. Cool graphics can take you a long way, but if the gameplay sucks...

My favorite game... denied! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2125984)

My favorite game is where I douse my wang in napalm, light it, and anally violate Cowboy Neal.

Re:My favorite game... denied! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2126220)

But you only get one shot at that game.

Bubble Bobble (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2126168)

Come on... Everybody knows that Bubble Bobble is by far one of the greatest games /ever/.

Re:Bubble Bobble (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2111852)

I second that! It was the first game I ever played... *fnnf*.

Re:Bubble Bobble (1)

diamondc (241058) | more than 12 years ago | (#2137678)

haha, i know.. the most fun i had as a kid was going to the local arcade and teaming up with my friend on bubble bobble and being almost like local Gods for getting to level 100 with one quarter.

and like the poster above.. they didnt list super mario bros. 3 which lived up to the hype (remember The Wizard??) and then some.

Obviously biased (1)

beri-beri (256875) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126172)


This top accounts only for a part of games genres. Important ones are absolutely forgotten. In any list like that Microsoft Flight Simulator has to be there. Not that I like it, but it's just a game with a HUGE following. Simulation is basically not represented. What, Wing Commander is a Simulator? The Falcon series, Silent Hunter should have been there.

What about card games? Do you know how many people play those? What about Chess games? Nothing there about that. Thei "top 50" is pretty useless.

Another list... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2126183)

Oids Sundog Dungeon Master Lord of Doomdark Civ Mule Super Mario Kart Fallout Elite Paradroid Star Raiders Adventure VCS Atic Atak and on and on and on... The only good thing about these lists is that they remind me what games I need to emulate next!

So very wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2126185)

Is it just me, or did they obviously favour PC games? For starters, Final Fantasy 3 is #1, Crono Trigger and Secret of mana should be top 10. I didn't see pacmam nor did I burger time. This is a sad day for gaming it is.

nethack, manic miner, bubble bobble..... (3, Interesting)

MartinG (52587) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126194)

... to name but a few.

Where are they?

That list looked more to me like the best games in the last 10 years, not of all time.

The early games got shafted (5, Insightful)

localroger (258128) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126496)

WHERE THE HELL IS PONG? Where are the Atari 2600 games?

How can you name fifty games no less without mentioning some of the originals that invented the form? This list reads like a list of the "50 greatest songs of all time" all of which were recorded since 1960.

Despite a couple of nods toward the C64 and Apple ][, this list is hopelessly 90's-oriented. "All-time" indeed! Where are...

  • SPACEWAR, the first video game EVER
  • PONG, PONG, PONG, and PONG variants like BREAKOUT, the first home video games EVER
  • TANK WAR for the 2600, still holds its own with any modern game for quick 2-person play
  • BATTLEZONE, first first-person 3d game EVER
  • SPACE INVADERS, ASTEROIDS, each owned the world for a couple of years
Meanwhile I've never even heard of some of the games they nominated. Then again, I'm not a "gamer" any more -- guess I got it out of my system when we were still carving video games out of wooden blocks.

Re:The early games got shafted (4, Insightful)

Kupek (75469) | more than 12 years ago | (#2122139)

Well no shit you're not going to recognize the games if you don't play them anymore. If there was a "Top 50 Greatest Basketball Players of All Time" list, and you don't follow basketball, would you expect to recognize everyone on the list?

I'd also like to point out there is a big difference between the greatest games of all time, and the most influential games of all time. A list of the influential games will likely have the games you're listing.

What about the Mac? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2126606)

Any hope for some of these titles to make it to the Mac platform?

another glaring omition (1)

Johnny5000 (451029) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126607)

where's King's Quest? Not even in the top 50?

Even most of the (numerous) sequels were weaker than the original, it did spawn countless imitators, and kept me stuck on my old Apple IIc many frustrated nights while I realized I shouldnt have stabbed the goat back there.

-J5K

Fifa Soccer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2126912)

And Linux developers are too lame to port it.

idkfa (1)

Lawrence Ho (111834) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126916)

I prefer playing DOOM to Quake any day...
At least I don't have to bother with vertical aiming ;-)

Did I miss Unreal Tournament? (3, Informative)

Mustang Matt (133426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2127954)

I didn't see Unreal at all. I haven't had much experience with quake and half life but Unreal and Unreal Tournament were pretty awesome games in my opinion. The first unreal inspired me to buy a voodoo2 and UT inspired me to buy an athlon and a GeForce and a T1.

Re:Did I miss Unreal Tournament? (1)

Wiwi Jumbo (105640) | more than 12 years ago | (#2136181)

Too true.... UT upped FPS's in many ways. Epic made a well rounded "game", not just a bunch of levels strung together...

They missed the best one... (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2128446)

3d Monster Maze on the ZX81... predates DOOM (an Wolfenstein - why isn't that on there too?) by several years.

I used to play that one for hours... I jumped out of my skin when the monster got me!

perhaps rename the list to... (1)

jaiteend (410415) | more than 12 years ago | (#2135057)

the top 50 reasons why teens nowadays just don't get it? or perhaps the top 50 reasons why you guys are considered old farts and don't belong?

i don't know. i read through that (and yes, FPS bias) and thought to myself, "self, why are those games considered the greatest of all time?" "well, self, i can see why x-com, and zeldas and FFs are on the list, but doom the GREATEST of all time?" "true, self, i didn't see any of the old ssi games on there (you know, the company that was able to get ad&d on the computer and do it well)."

"oh, self, and where the fuck is leisure suit larry and its brethren?" heavens to mergotroid, no games by sierra on-line at all? sigh.

to recap, what does it take to be one of the greatest games of all time? fast paced, no plot, good eye candy.

This is a total sham! (1)

howardjp (5458) | more than 12 years ago | (#2135255)

Where is PacMan? Where is Pong? Where is Breakout? Where is Hunt the Wumpus? These guys have no idea. I still play these games because they are far better than most of the games released today.

Uh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2135957)

This may just be a troll, but I ask this:

Why should we care?

Making a list is so useless and subjective that almost everyone would disagree with it. Now we're going to end up with posts like "Why isn't game X on the list?"

And why is DOOM #1? There are plenty of games out now that outrank DOOM. If we want to go retro, why is Starcraft in there? Plenty of games that came out in that genre before that. Why isn't Pong on?

Something weird... (1)

mickeyreznor (320351) | more than 12 years ago | (#2136165)

this isn't really complaining, but I just find it very odd that Wolfenstein 3-D was somehow left out of the list, especially since they gave it praise while they were commenting on Doom, and given the obvious FPS tilt. Once again, i'm not trying to complain or anything, just an observation.

A crime! (2, Flamebait)

Have Blue (616) | more than 12 years ago | (#2137838)

Marathon is #44! It deserves number 1! Or at least number 7...

Re:A crime! (1)

ascii7 (312086) | more than 12 years ago | (#2111379)

Well Pathways into Darkness wasn't even on the list and it was one of the first FPS for the mac.

Fuck Marathon. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2112828)

no more needs to be said.

Seeing as though we all disagree... (1)

orbitalia (470425) | more than 12 years ago | (#2139425)

Anyone willing to setup a free vote of /.'ers favourite games of *all* time.. It would be interesting to see what came out top (nethack i'd guess :PP) If I had my own server with enough bandwidth i'd do it myself :) (That link to the list in the original article appears to be broken for me.. )

Blizzard in the top 10. (2)

frknfrk (127417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2139957)

Blizzard has 3 'worlds', and 3 games in the top 10 all time: Starcraft, Diablo, and Warcraft II. For all you 'blah blah, such and such is behind warcraft II?' people, I'll first say that I loved Warcraft II. It is probably my 5th favorite game ever. But none of my favorites made the top 10 anyway. My list:
  1. Wizardry I-III (Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord, LL, etc, which I still play on occasion under Apple ][ emulator)
  2. Zork/Enchanter (I lump them as one, and yes, I still have my box sets)
  3. Eye of the Beholder I-II (which I still play on occasion)
  4. Sim City 2000 (which I wish I hadn't broke, I was SO addicted to this game)
  5. Ultima III (which I don't play anymore, although you can under Apple ][ emulator)
  6. Warcraft II
One of the reasons I REALLY love Blizzard games (and no, I don't work for them) is that their hardware requirements vs. how great they look and play is absolutely right up there with the best in the 'biz'. Check out the hardware requirements for Starcraft or Diablo, probably a P-90. And I -loved- those games. Call me biased (bait) but I hate overloaded FPS games like Quake, UT, Daikatana, etc, etc. They take a P-300 and mega graphics cards to play. I'll stick with Blizzard and my trusty P-120, but I just might upgrade for Warcraft III :) And yes, I grew up on an Apple ][ playing Infocom and Sir-TECH games. I am a geek, of course.

Re:Blizzard in the top 10. (2)

frknfrk (127417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2157337)

Obviously I can't count. But I also forgot Wing Commander (the original), another great game which blows half of this FPS crap to little bits.

LORD? (2)

Phizzy (56929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2140179)

Where is Legend of the Red Dragon? Can we not include our BBS Door-game brethren in this fine list?

and how is Counterstrike not in the top ten.. tisk tisk.

//Phizzy

Re: CounterStrike (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 12 years ago | (#2140772)

I have a feeling its not on the top ten for the same reason Ender's Game the AP isn't a "novel of literary merit." Specifically, the AP says Ender's Game is too new, but maybe years from now it will have merit. Which makes little sense. The novel hasn't changed.

Similarly, the list was compiled by polling Gamespy staff and several "prominent" PC developers' top 10 games of all time. Which means you get a list mostly by people who had a NES rather than a 300 baud modem. And the general elitist view on CS is that its a "mod" not a game. Yea. Its bullshit too. But Half-Life is number 2, so hey!

Tony Hawk (1)

gosquad (122364) | more than 12 years ago | (#2146671)

Also, since they seem to be stuck in the 90s, (ie- omitting Maniac Mansion and Wasteland) why is Tony Hawk Pro Skater not on this list? Anyone who owns a playstation or dreamcast (or even PC) has bought this game and still plays it! (I know I do). Anyone agree?

Myst??? (1)

cmckay (25124) | more than 12 years ago | (#2149979)

Okay... I love FPS games as much as the next guy, but to omit Myst???

C'mon! Was there anyone who didn't have their proverbial socks blown off when they first saw that game back in 1994?

The exquisite soundtrack, the skillful 3D art... Pure pre-rendered beauty!

Re:Myst??? (2, Flamebait)

frknfrk (127417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112891)

I couldn't watch my dad or sister play Myst for more than 5 minutes without going, 'god, get that off my computer now before it makes my other -real- games suck.' Not quite as bad as 'Alone in the Dark', but really, really, really close.

Starcraft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150546)

How the hell did Starcraft get ranked 9th? It has archaic technology, piss poor game play, a bad "plot". The game is all about clicking as fast as you possibly can. If you want a real game, play Myth (The Fallen Lords, Myth 2: Soulblighter, Myth 3: The Wolf Age)

How Quickly We Forget..... (1)

Surak_Prime (160061) | more than 12 years ago | (#2152125)

I can't believe I just witnessed a list of "top games of all time" that didn't include a variant of Pac-Man, Galaga, or any other arcade game on it! Computer games have come a long way, but in the very beginning, when personal computers still cost insane amounts of money for most people, those 25 cent coin-ops were CREATING this entire industry. The fact that these "top developers" didn't remember these just shows how quickly your 15 minutes of fame passes in the gaming world, and how easy it has become for people to forget life before Windows 95 and Nintendo.

I will be surprised to still see Zork on future lists, as well - not because it doesn't deserve to be there, but because game developers will have lost that much more of their history, or never even been introduced to it.

Re:How Quickly We Forget..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2116325)

I agree. I remember the first time i ever saw a gameing console. My neighbor had asked me, "hmmm, so should i get this atari system or go with one of these brand new nintendo things". Heh. There where some fucking awsome games in the arcade.And not just those mano-e-mano fight games.
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