Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Inside the Massive 2014 Winter Olympics WiFi Network

samzenpus posted about 8 months ago | from the built-to-last dept.

Networking 107

alphadogg writes "Engineers are putting the final touches on a network capable of handling up to 54Tbps of traffic when the Winter Olympics opens on Feb. 7 in the Russian city of Sochi. The two locations where the Olympics will take place — the Olympic village in Sochi and a tight cluster of Alpine venues in the nearby Krasnaya Polyana Mountains — are completely new construction, so this project represents a greenfield environment for Avaya, the company heading up the project. In addition to investing in a telecom infrastructure, Russia is spending billions of dollars to upgrade Sochi's electric power grid, its transportation system and even its sewage treatment facilities."

cancel ×

107 comments

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

Complete article on one ad-free page (4, Informative)

xmas2003 (739875) | about 8 months ago | (#45709357)

Here's the 3 page article on one ad-free page. [networkworld.com]

They are claiming it will handle 54 Tbps of network traffic ... up from the Vancouver games four years ago that was only 4 Tbps. One interesting tidbit is the ratio of wired to wireless traffic was 4-to-1 back then ... they expect that ratio to be reversed this time ... with 2,000 802.11n access points!

That a bit more bandwidth than this Christmas website has ... HO-HO-HO! ;-) [komar.org]

Fuck the bigots! (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709489)

How about they upgrade their antiquated attitudes towards gay people?

Re:Fuck the bigots! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709545)

Yeah, this is as sickening as having a nerdgasm over the WiFI setup of a KKK conference.

Re:Fuck the bigots! (0)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 8 months ago | (#45709609)

Oh I'm waiting for athletes to run around all Gay-OK! The Russians said athletes wouldn't be hassled, so we shall see.

The bigotry of the political correctness crowd. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709743)

As a lesbian (yes, some of us do browse Slashdot), I find the attitudes of the political correctness crowd far more distasteful than the attitudes of the Russians in this matter.

It's very hypocritical for the politically correct crowd to clamor on about how bad discrimination is, but in doing so they end up discriminating against those who wish to hold viewpoints that may be considered controversial. The political correctness crowd's attempt to take a stance against discrimination is inherently discriminatory in and of itself.

Collectively, we can't move forward if we grant a monopoly on "legitimate" discrimination to one particular group of people (the political correctness crowed, for example).

While the Russians may severely dislike homosexuality, to the point of criminalizing it, at least they're honest about it. They don't pretend to be against discrimination, while simultaneously engaging in it, like the political correctness crowed constantly does.

I find honest dislike or disapproval to be much less onerous and disgusting than the veiled, denied-but-omnipresent hatred that the political correctness crowd engages in.

Re:The bigotry of the political correctness crowd. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709857)

*yawn* Lame crypto-bigot bullshit is lame. Being against people being locked up in prison for being gay is not "political correctness". I lol'd at the "As a lesbian" line as if anyone believes that. That's as funny as the "I have black friends" preface to a racist rant.

Hyperbole (1, Offtopic)

JOrgePeixoto (853808) | about 8 months ago | (#45710015)

people being locked up in prison for being gay

Hyperbole much?

Re:Hyperbole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710085)

Yeah, it's as hyperbolic as pointing out that Castro imprisoned people for saying stuff he didn't like. Sorry, but the excuse that it's "not because they're gay but because they're speading gay propaganda" line is simply bullshit.

Re:Hyperbole (2)

JOrgePeixoto (853808) | about 8 months ago | (#45710299)

Yeah, it's as hyperbolic as pointing out that Castro imprisoned people for saying stuff he didn't like.

Fidel Castro was not content with imprisioning, he shot them. And saying that is not hyperbole, because it actually describes objectively what Fidel Castro did, without exageration.

Sorry, but the excuse that it's "not because they're gay but because they're speading gay propaganda" line is simply bullshit.

The law (which I do not necessarily support) forbids people from spreading a specific kind of propaganda to minors. You are implying that people get arrested for being attracted to the same sex (that is, beging gay). That is undeniably hyperbole.

If you can't understand words based on their definition, lets try an analogy.
The government of Elbonia forbids spreading alcochol propaganda to minors. Then someone says "Oh my God, that is fascism, they are imprisioning people who like beer!".

Would not that be hyperbole?

Re:Hyperbole (3, Insightful)

funkylovemonkey (1866246) | about 8 months ago | (#45711839)

You don't "necessarily support" this law? So you're not willing to defend it, but you're upset people are coming out against it? The problem is that they define "propaganda" as broadly as possible, to the point where even talking about homosexuality in a non-negative light is criminalized. Gatherings of gay groups is also criminalized (and not just parades, this includes political groups), whether a minor is present or not. In fact the law is worded in such a way that it doesn't really matter if a minor is present, although that's the reason d'etre proponents have claimed. It has nothing to do with minors and is simply a cheap way to inflame prejudice and cover their ass. "We're just doing it to protect the children!" It's nothing more than bigotry and homophobia, where lawmakers are increasingly using it as a scape-goat to distract the Russian people from the widespread corruption that sickens the country at every level. And saying "At least they aren't shooting people!" isn't the greatest defense. This is only the beginning of a slew of laws already proposed by Russian lawmakers which have gone so far as to say that gay people should undergo forced medical treatment to undo their homosexuality or even be exiled. And under the law as it stands, while Russian citizens are only required to pay a fine, foreigners can be imprisoned two weeks for speaking out (in addition to be fined and then removed from the country).

Re:Hyperbole (1)

Inflammatory Fallacy (3464447) | about 8 months ago | (#45711971)

Perhaps it's not the people's opinions on the law, but instead their lying and misleading that Jorge here dislikes?

Re:Hyperbole (1)

greenfruitsalad (2008354) | about 8 months ago | (#45712313)

While I'm in no way defending the russian approach, surely I cannot be the only one who, after reading this, thinks of all the stupid omnipresent parades, billboards, buses with posters, tv shots, etc... that rub gay behaviour in people's faces in UK. We need a "we don't care (but you are getting annoying), get used to it!" campaign.

Obligatory Simpsons s13e06, Gay pride parade scene:

Gay Men: We're here, we're queer, get used to it!
Lisa: You do this every year. We are used to it!
Gay Man: Spoilsport!!

I've got karma to waste, so go ahead.

Re:Hyperbole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45712783)

If you get to have your Christmass parade EVERY f'ing year we can have our Gay pride parade everying f'ing year. If minorities weren't being oppressed there would be no Gay pride parade. Gay pride is a reaction to an oppressive regime / atmosphere. We're still getting over having been locked up, exterminated, and it's NOT over. Countries around the world are STILL doing it. The US is NOT excluded from this list either. There are minorities within the 'other' catagory which are being killed via the US governments actions. Nobody dare objects though for fear of persecution themself. But you wouldn't know that because you don't object or have reason to object. I hate ass holes like you.

Reading comprehension (1)

JOrgePeixoto (853808) | about 8 months ago | (#45713667)

You don't "necessarily support" this law?

Correct, because I do not have the details, and am too busy to spend time
studying a Russian law which I have no way to change.

you're upset people are coming out against it?

Wrong. I am upset that people are using outrageous logical fallacies for
political reasons. Politics is already dominated by logical fallacies, it is
a huge problem. We don't need more of it.

And saying "At least they aren't shooting people!" isn't the greatest
defense.

Except that I didn't say that. Read my post and read its parent. I was
exemplifying what hyperbole is and what it isn't.

Re:Hyperbole (1)

CAPSLOCK2000 (27149) | about 8 months ago | (#45711887)

Sorry, but the excuse that it's "not because they're gay but because they're speading gay propaganda" line is simply bullshit.

The law (which I do not necessarily support) forbids people from spreading a specific kind of propaganda to minors.

It's not a specific kind of propaganda. Any expression of a 'non-traditional sexuality", like holding hands in public, is considered "propaganda to minors".
Any kind of parade or demonstration has been outlawed.

Re:The bigotry of the political correctness crowd. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45711833)

people being locked up in prison for being gay

They're not. They are in fact set on fire and pulled apart by horses for that. To the accompaniment of balalaika-playing bears wearing flappy-eared hats.
(Captcha: hooves)

Re:The bigotry of the political correctness crowd. (1, Flamebait)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about 8 months ago | (#45709935)

Collectively, we can't move forward if we grant a monopoly on "legitimate" discrimination to one particular group of people (the political correctness crowed, for example).

You gave yourself away too easily. This just some rambling bigotry from some right-wing nutter. Being against institutionalized bigotry has nothing to do with this nonsense. No one believes this outside possibly a few fringe nutters and caricatures created by the very bigots themselves. Nothing is more funny than listening to them trying to paint themselves as the victims of "PC".

Re:The bigotry of the political correctness crowd. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710495)

You know, I think that you have just proven her point. She took the non-PC stance, and presented us with logical, intelligent and reasonable arguments to support her position. On the other hand, you've taken the pro-PC stance, and have apparently freaked out, delivering to us a comment frothing with hatred, homophobia, sexism and lunacy. It's pretty clear which of you is right, and which is wrong. You're the one who is clearly in the wrong, by the way.

Re:The bigotry of the political correctness crowd. (1)

Iskender (1040286) | about 8 months ago | (#45710543)

While the Russians may severely dislike homosexuality, to the point of criminalizing it, at least they're honest about it. They don't pretend to be against discrimination, while simultaneously engaging in it, like the political correctness crowed constantly does.

Two wrongs still don't make a right.

Also, there is no uniform "political correctness crowd", and you didn't provide a single example of its supposed discriminatory actions.

Re:The bigotry of the political correctness crowd. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710727)

I think examples of what she's saying are all throughout this story's discussion. Just look at the comment she replied to, for instance. That body of the comment basically states that intolerance is unacceptable, yet its title is "Fuck the bigots!". The title is a rather obvious display of intolerance, as is the intolerance the comment itself exhibits toward the practice of intolerance, and those people who choose to practice it. There are a number of other, similar comments throughout the discussion here, and you can find the same in other discussion forums where this issue, and similar ones, have come up. One just can't take a stand against intolerance without inherently exhibiting intolerance while taking that stand. A lack of tolerance for those who are intolerant is itself an act of bigotry.

Re:The bigotry of the political correctness crowd. (1)

funkylovemonkey (1866246) | about 8 months ago | (#45711875)

Your logic eats itself. But thanks for trying. I love the bigots screaming "You have to be tolerant of my bigotry!" Fortunately for you, we are. We allow you to express your opinion (which the Russian law does not). But don't for a second think that grants you immunity from criticism. Don't for a moment think you are above being called on your twisted logic. It's because bullies depend on being the loudest and angriest to get people to cower, and all this "you have to be tolerant of my intolerance!" is just one step removed from a bully crying about the unfairness of someone finally standing up to them. Because ultimately your position is untenable. So you construct straw men like the conspiracy of "PC Police" that are attacking you. It's easier than actually having to state your position, because ultimately your position is so sad and terrible it does not hold up in the light. Instead it's easier to play the victim.

Re:The bigotry of the political correctness crowd. (1)

xenobyte (446878) | about 8 months ago | (#45711751)

As a lesbian (yes, some of us do browse Slashdot), I find the attitudes of the political correctness crowd far more distasteful than the attitudes of the Russians in this matter.

It's very hypocritical for the politically correct crowd to clamor on about how bad discrimination is, but in doing so they end up discriminating against those who wish to hold viewpoints that may be considered controversial. The political correctness crowd's attempt to take a stance against discrimination is inherently discriminatory in and of itself.

...

While the Russians may severely dislike homosexuality, to the point of criminalizing it, at least they're honest about it. They don't pretend to be against discrimination, while simultaneously engaging in it, like the political correctness crowed constantly does.

I find honest dislike or disapproval to be much less onerous and disgusting than the veiled, denied-but-omnipresent hatred that the political correctness crowd engages in.

Honesty about it does not make the stance even the slightest more acceptable. What makes it worse is that religion (which is abuse in itself) is abused to justify the stance. It simply makes it triple-wrong.

PS: Welcome to /. !!! - Everybody is welcome here, from boring nerds and geeks to retarded religious bigots too stupid to keep their mouth shut. Expect to have your opinions questioned and challenged.

Re:The bigotry of the political correctness crowd. (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 8 months ago | (#45711907)

You would have more credibility if you were not an anonymous coward. I suspect a subtle troll. Homosexuals I have spoken to generally support things like the effort to make homophobia as unacceptable as racism or getting people to stop using "gay" tomean "bad".

Re:The bigotry of the political correctness crowd. (1)

Inflammatory Fallacy (3464447) | about 8 months ago | (#45712007)

Which, I am sure, makes you the leading expert on gay people in this thread. I can't speak for the honesty of this particular anonymous poster, but I, for one, don't care. The argument that she presented was that gays should refrain from discrimination (even rightful discrimination) because it undermines the gay rights movement as a whole. I can't disagree with that one bit. After all, was Martin Luther King Junior's message not more powerful than Malcolm X's? The ideal way to combat bigotry is not to become as jaded and militant as the people you're fighting against, that's counter-productive. You elevate yourself above the level of your moral enemy. After all, the goal of anyone in the gay rights movement is not to prove that they are right, it is to convince others to support their cause. To lash out at those who lashed out at your cause is not the best way to do that.

Re:Fuck the bigots! (1)

kilodelta (843627) | about 8 months ago | (#45709747)

Yeah I know. And Avaya - really? I thought they got snapped up by Alcatel!

Granted I've administered wired Avaya gear in the past, mostly G3iV3, G3iV6 and G3iV11 voice pbxs.

Re:Fuck the bigots! (1)

Thor Ablestar (321949) | about 8 months ago | (#45709927)

As Russian I must say: Yes. here is lot of antiquated attitude towards gay people. But you should understand:

Here are no laws against gay relations of adult people with consent. And it's good since their relations are their and only their affairs.

There are laws against popularization of gay relations with minors ONLY. And I believe it's good because Russian Gay-Pride parades participants are not gay at all, and their task is to undermine the traditional morale, and they are on payroll of somebody who pays for other means of undermining it, be it stupid TV programming, stupid schoolbooks, stupid university courses, stupid programming languages, and the top declaration of stupidity by Education Minister Fursenko: "Communists were not right when they tried to produce a Creative Man. We should grow up a qualified CONSUMER of others' creativity". Once more, I stress that it's my personal belief, and I must add that it's a popular belief here.

Also, I believe that anti-Gay laws are BAD because they are nothing more than a cheap PR of Duma members that are members of puppet parties and fraudulently elected nonrepresentatives of Russian people in puppet Parliament controlled by You Know Whom.

Re:Fuck the bigots! (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 8 months ago | (#45710195)

There are laws against popularization of gay relations with minors ONLY.

Ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority amount of child abusers are not gay?

Re: Fuck the bigots! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710451)

yes, all those men having sex with boys certainly aren't gay at all!

Re: Fuck the bigots! (1)

multisync (218450) | about 8 months ago | (#45711683)

yes, all those men having sex with boys certainly aren't gay at all!

Correct. People who are sexually attracted to children are pedos, not gay.

Re: Fuck the bigots! (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 8 months ago | (#45712393)

They are both actually. Both are directions of sexual interest. They are not exclusive. One can be attracted to certain sex and age group. For example a lot of older men are attracted to younger women, usually in their early twenties.

Re: Fuck the bigots! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45712461)

Men in their early twenties aren't usually considered "older."

Re: Fuck the bigots! (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 8 months ago | (#45712519)

Men in their fourties, fifties and sixties on the other hand are.

Re:Fuck the bigots! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710219)

So it's OK to be gay, but it's not OK to admit that it is OK to be gay.

Gotcha!

Russia must have some very confused children.

Re:Fuck the bigots! (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 8 months ago | (#45709977)

Why should anyone have to like someone? Maybe gay people should quit demanding entitlements on others' opinions. Gay athletes, their sponsors, as well as anyone in the would-be audience are free to not attend the games because of the russian government's official position on gays. It boils down to which the athlete thinks is more important: his athletic career or his support of identity politics. That said, the russian government has claimed that the athletes will not be hassled. This is probably a reasonable bet since the ONC is very pro left/PC, and the russians want the economic benefits that come with hosting.

Frankly, I wish the ONC stayed as apolitical as possible and focused on having the best athletes compete, regardless of race, gender, sexual behavior or any other irrelevant attribute.. of course, they don't, and that's why the games are compromised... in the name of 'equality' of course.

Re:Fuck the bigots! (1)

Thor Ablestar (321949) | about 8 months ago | (#45710107)

It boils down to which the athlete thinks is more important: his athletic career or his support of identity politics.

Yes, you are right, it's just a politics. And gays are not SUBJECT, but INSTRUMENT of such politics. The question "Who's the SUBJECT?" remains open.

and the russians want the economic benefits that come with hosting.

Forget it. It's already named "Raspiliada", of "Raspil i otkat" meaning "Cut and kickback". It's an economical catastrophe for every Russian except receivers of cuts and kickbacks. Nomina sunt odiosa.

Re:Fuck the bigots! (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 8 months ago | (#45710537)

Yup.. gays are being used to push a pro centralist governmental policy, and they're not the only group abused in this way.
--
Basically that's what happens anywhere the games are held.. local businesses get trampled for the sake of the big sponsors with the 'official olympic' products.

Re:Fuck the bigots! (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 8 months ago | (#45710109)

Why should anyone have to like someone? Maybe gay people should quit demanding entitlements on others' opinions.

Yeah, how dare they ask not to be thrown in jail simply because they're gay. What next? They think they're actually human beings?

Re:Fuck the bigots! (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 8 months ago | (#45710485)

If that's what's happening, then yes, it's wrong.

Re:Fuck the bigots! (1)

genka (148122) | about 8 months ago | (#45711015)

A lot of that anti gay nonsense in Russia is to shift public focus from more important issues. Gays are not thrown in jail for being gay. In fact, there are many openly gay entertainers on Russian national TV.

Re:Fuck the bigots! (1)

dk20 (914954) | about 8 months ago | (#45710647)

I think they have a lot of bigger issues to address first. Rigged bidding is probably as a big one. How many times have we seen stories about IOC officials taking bribes/kickbacks and actually making demands?

Re:Complete article on one ad-free page (1)

fisted (2295862) | about 8 months ago | (#45709823)

+1 clever

Komar, please stop hyping your site. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709851)

Komar, please, we beg of you, stop hyping your own site here. We know about it. We all saw it years ago. We don't care any longer.

Re:Complete article on one ad-free page (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45713053)

ad-free page? That's funny, because the regular version is also ad-free, and looks better.

Oh, wait. I have adblock installed. ;-)

Seems very gay. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709397)

Why set up such a gay network? It will link all the gays to all the other gays so that they can spread their gay homosexual propaganda to Russian straight children.

Send the network to prison for spreading the gay.

Re:Seems very gay. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709761)

Send the network to prison for spreading the gay.

I'm sure a firewall could be arranged.

Re:Seems very gay. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709871)

And it would be _flaming_.

Re:Seems very gay. (1)

Iskender (1040286) | about 8 months ago | (#45710371)

Send the network to prison for spreading the gay.

I'm sure a firewall could be arranged.

Yeah, but then they'll have to deal with the iconic Firewall Riot!

The downside is... (3, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | about 8 months ago | (#45709431)

It will be totally pwned by Russian black-hat hackers.

They will have a feeding frenzy of personal details, photos and of course the credit card numbers of anyone who makes a purchase there.

In Soviet Russia credit comes to YOU!

Re:The downside is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709465)

Naw. It will be controlled by the Russian government just to figure out who is gay so the offenders can be beat up and sent to prison.

In Soviet Russia, Youtube watches YOU! (1)

Thor Ablestar (321949) | about 8 months ago | (#45710033)

You are right, it will be controlled by Russian government. But the gay propaganda is pretext only. The Government is to figure out who is either Wahhabi or Neo-Nazi. The modern trend is that Wahhabis will sit until end of Olympics, and Neo-Nazi (i.e. everybody who remembers that Russians are the people too) will be incarcerated up to 10 years. http://politzeki.tumblr.com/post/25945827552/i-will-destroy-you-or-what-happens-if-one-does-not [tumblr.com]

Re:The downside is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45711009)

The gay thing is only against showing gay propaganda to kids. Similar to how showing a nipple to anyone (remember GTA's Hot Coffee? it wasn't a kids game) in the US means death penalty.

Re:The downside is... (1)

3.5 stripes (578410) | about 8 months ago | (#45712345)

Yeah, like telling a child "you're not abnormal" when he's around 13 or so, and has realized he isn't attracted to women. It's a church driven, lie based strawman used to hide the endemic corruption and nepotism that keeps russia perennially out of first world status, despite having enormous human and natural resources.

It's probably due to Putin being gay.. as the majority of vehemently antigay people tend to be badly repressed.

Re:The downside is... (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 8 months ago | (#45709597)

I expect Edward Snowden will do some consulting work and make it easy for us to get the data from the IOC officials and their sponsors (bribers).

Re:The downside is... (1)

asmkm22 (1902712) | about 8 months ago | (#45710205)

That should be modded insightful, not funny...

Re:The downside is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710719)

Unlikely. As cavalier as Russian hackers can be, they still tend to be Russian first, and I doubt they'll want to disrupt the massive security network, both technical and physical, that is designed to ensure the Olympics will go off without a hitch and will NOT be disrupted by radicals from not to far away. Sochi is in the Caucasus after all; too many opportunities to make a political statement by disrupting the Olympics.

No public access? (5, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | about 8 months ago | (#45709433)

There doesn't seem to any provision for the fans. I glean this from two statements:

The Sochi network will serve 30,000 athletes, administrators and staff, media, IOC officials, and volunteers with data, voice, video, and full Internet access through the Games sites.

And secondly:

In Sochi, Avayaâ(TM)s Wi-Fi network will be split into five virtual SSID-based networks. There will be one network for the athletes, two for media (one free, one paid), one for Olympics staff, and one for dignitaries.

So it sounds like this network will be just to support the games themselves, not for the general public.

Re:No public access? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709501)

It's for everyone who's not gay. The homosexuals can communicate with their anuses.

Re:No public access? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709667)

There doesn't seem to any provision for the fans. I glean this from two statements:

The Sochi network will serve 30,000 athletes, administrators and staff, media, IOC officials, and volunteers with data, voice, video, and full Internet access through the Games sites.

And secondly:

In Sochi, Avayaâ(TM)s Wi-Fi network will be split into five virtual SSID-based networks. There will be one network for the athletes, two for media (one free, one paid), one for Olympics staff, and one for dignitaries.

So it sounds like this network will be just to support the games themselves, not for the general public.

Pardon me while I list WiFi access as the least of our concerns. Let's just see if they can get an Olympic Village built (circa 1980) first.

Re:No public access? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710769)

Never letting to pass an opportunity to spy on the entire world in one place is, like, out of the NSA playbook.

Re:No public access? (2)

stox (131684) | about 8 months ago | (#45710987)

The 1980 Winter Olympics were in Lake Placid, New York.

Re:No public access? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45712353)

The 1980 Winter Olympics were in Lake Placid, New York.

Yes, I know. It included such luxuries as cement and working bathrooms.

Let's see if Russia can pull off the same, in time. Again, the fucking wireless should be the least of their logistical nightmares to deal with, especially as entire countries are debating their participation due to the anti-LGBT establishment.

Re:No public access? (1)

Thor Ablestar (321949) | about 8 months ago | (#45712901)

I begin believing that our Russian authorities actively promote anti-gay feelings in order to provoke a boycott of this Raspiliada. Reasoning is simple: The less people visit it, the simpler will be to cover all the raspil-otkat (cut and kickback).

I saw that too, wonder if it will all be cellular (1)

attemptedgoalie (634133) | about 8 months ago | (#45709739)

Or maybe they have a separate network provider (perhaps a local company) for the spectators.

Re:No public access? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709987)

Sorry, this doesn't make a good headline. Please proceed to the ban area.

the nsa is having an orgasm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709453)

not like the russians arent lollerskating to the data bank

what about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709483)

the massive surveillance, logging, and filtering capabilities insisted-upon by the russian government and the i.o.c. or its broadcast partners (who have spent huge sums of money for exclusive rights in their own territories)? you KNOW its there, and is likely an even more impressive hardware and networking deployment than the public-facing access side.

Re:what about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709539)

Not to worry! That infrastructure is only used to detect and prosecute gay people. So, if you're not gay, you have nothing to worry about!

impossible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709533)

You only get spinoffs from sending things into space. This story is trying to imply otherwise. Please remove from the front page.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709547)

.. when will it upgrade its view of people?

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709589)

Just as soon as all the people stop being gay.

54Tbps? (2)

tech.kyle (2800087) | about 8 months ago | (#45709683)

Misleading article is misleading. The entire network itself handles 54Tbps. The WiFi network, to quote TFA, "will be distributed using about 2,000 802.11n access points across the Olympics Game sites; including inside the stands for the first time."

Not even 802.11ac.

Re:54Tbps? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709715)

But don't you see? More bandwidth would allow more gayness to be carried over the wires.

Re:54Tbps? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709855)

yes, we get it, you're into guys. now, move on.

Re:54Tbps? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709895)

I love how the first response to someone poking fun at bigotry is to proclaim that "you're just one of the angry victims". I guess no white person was ever against slavery.

Re:54Tbps? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45711073)

I love how the first response to someone poking fun at bigotry is to proclaim that "you're just one of the angry victims". I guess no white person was ever against slavery.

What being white has to do with being against slavery (other than, of course, whites having done more to end slavery in white countries than the other races have)? You do understand not all slaves were from Africa or China, right? Ancient Rome, for instance, had tons of slaves, many of whom white and educated.

Re:54Tbps? (2)

Aqualung812 (959532) | about 8 months ago | (#45710285)

I noticed that, too. Assuming both 5Ghz and 2.4 Ghz radios at 450mbit each, you have 900 mbit per AP, X 2000, so 1.8 Tbit.

That, however, won't be the bottleneck. TFA says all of this has to go through redundant 10Gbit Internet connections. Maybe that means 20Gbit, and maybe a lot of the content will be local.

My bet, though, is that the bottleneck will be the Internet pipe if any slowness is detected. Depending on how many people live-stream video or have their devices set to auto-upload pictures and video to box/skydrive/gdrive/etc, I think they'll fill it.

Re:54Tbps? (1)

Thor Ablestar (321949) | about 8 months ago | (#45712871)

I noticed that, too. Assuming both 5Ghz and 2.4 Ghz radios at 450mbit each, you have 900 mbit per AP, X 2000, so 1.8 Tbit.

Have you assumed that radio waves are not TRANSVERSAL? Your 450 mbit are marketing and PR feces bovi. The nominal speed of 802.11n in 20 MHz band is 75 mbit/s. It's doubled when you use 40 MHz band and doubled once more when you use MIMO 2x2. But there are only 2 orthogonal polarizations, say, vertical and horizontal, so MIMO 3x3 will not give you anything valuable, except, may be, ability to use vertical polarization omni and 2 separate horizontals for all sides.

Then, remember that a normal cellular GSM structure uses 7 cells and 7 frequencies, and WiFi has only 4 distinct 2.4 GHz channels. But laws of physics are the same. You cannot use 5 GHz everywhere since universal clients are rare. So you cannot use 40 MHz and you get 150 mbit/s only. And the last nail to the coffin: Your US equipment brought here is legally prohibited by US authorities to use channels 12 and 13, and this prohibition is burnt to EEPROM, so forget about upper 40 MHz band at all.

Re:54Tbps? (1)

Aqualung812 (959532) | about 8 months ago | (#45713227)

So, we agree that their 54Tbps number is total bullshit. :)

I was giving the marketing BS just to be generous. Of course, you will never really see 900mbit on every AP, or even a single AP, for all the reasons you mention and because they will never have a perfect 50/50 split of clients that are all evenly spread out among all of the access points.

I'm on your side. They claim 54Tbps, I say that 1.8Tbps is the *theoretical* max, and the practical Internet limit is 20Gbps, and now your talking about the real-world estimates, which will drop that 1.8T number to something much lower.

In any case, 54Tbps = bullshit.

What's the aggregate connectivity out of Russia? (1)

swb (14022) | about 8 months ago | (#45712647)

While I'd assume some of the connectivity is contained within the site and some within Russia itself, these are international games and you'd presume a large chunk of the traffic is destined for destinations outside of Russia.

Spying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709795)

Lots, and lots, of spying. Russia is masturbating over the opportunity to offer free WiFi.

Re:Spying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45709825)

Russia is masturbating ....

Unless it's gay masturbating. That's illegal.

Re:Spying (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 8 months ago | (#45712397)

Citation needed.

Re:Spying (1)

hawguy (1600213) | about 8 months ago | (#45709893)

Lots, and lots, of spying. Russia is masturbating over the opportunity to offer free WiFi.

Would it be any more difficult to spy with hardwired connections?

Re:Spying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45712357)

Lots, and lots, of spying. Russia is masturbating over the opportunity to offer free WiFi.

Would it be any more difficult to spy with hardwired connections?

(Every DEFCON goon ever): "Uhhh, no."

hot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710043)

The downside is that all that radiant energy will melt what little snow they're expecting...

Re:hot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710081)

Not to mention all the flamers it will allow to communicate and flame wars it will facilitate.

Re:hot! (1)

Thor Ablestar (321949) | about 8 months ago | (#45710183)

According to Russian sources, now the stores of 2012-2013 years winter snow are being unpacked and laid down for Olympics.

It's funny since there are lots of Russian proverbs about last year's snow.

Typical NW article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710559)

Talks up crazy aspect of network somewhere and then totally fails to mention how its being implemented. This was a great PR article for Avaya and whatever wireless network vendor is being used for the WiFi deployment is screaming in their office at how they weren't mentioned at all.

Re:Typical NW article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710593)

It also fails to mention how it's going to protect children from gay propaganda. Surely that was a design requirement.

Boycott the corrupt Olympics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710641)

Boycott the corrupt Olympics
Boycott the corrupt Olympics
Boycott the corrupt Olympics

What I tell you three times is true.

I hope they use this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45710813)

to stream everything that goes on in the Olympic sex village.

CATV HFC network works better for broadcast (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 8 months ago | (#45711695)

CATV HFC network works better for broadcast and if they have it as clear QAM then you don't need set top boxes with most HD tv's.

Apparently their staff are expendable (1)

aaronmd (314035) | about 8 months ago | (#45711701)

“We have built the TOCs in separate locations to ensure redundancy in the case of a natural disaster or man-made incident,” says Frohwerk. “Should the Adler TOC go down, we would simply send the next shift to the Sochi TOC and carry on.”

So if a TOC is blown up, they'll just send the next shift to the other TOC and continue? Ummmm....

Remove the story (2)

voinageo (224950) | about 8 months ago | (#45712055)

This story should be removed from slashdot. It is just some made up news to attract attention to the worst Olympic Winter Games ever. As they say in marketing "any news is good news". Boycott the Mafia Olympics, they are just the propaganda games of a mafia state, build with the dirty money of oligarchs, to praise a dictator. Not to much different than the Nazi Olympics from 1936 when Hitler was parading his fascist state. Russian government not only discriminates against gays but also against ethnic minorities, majority of the Sochi staff are Russians from Moscow or Sankt-Peterburg and non Russian local people from Sochi.

Re:Remove the story (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about 8 months ago | (#45712405)

It's fun to watch all the russophobes crawl out of their holes for this.

Re:Remove the story (1)

Thor Ablestar (321949) | about 8 months ago | (#45712787)

Russian government not only discriminates against gays but also against ethnic minorities, majority of the Sochi staff are Russians from Moscow or Sankt-Peterburg and non Russian local people from Sochi.

Russian government discriminates against ethnical MAJORITY - Russians. I don't care about Olympic staff. I care about lots of other places where inhabitants of Russian Caucasus, for instance, get 2 years of home arrest for murder while Russians get 10 years of Special Regime. I care about Stavropol territory where there is a second Kosovo, with Chechens (Remember Tsarnaev?) occupy traditionally Russian territories. I care about ethnical Chechen criminal organizations openly bearing arms in Moscow where Russians cannot do it. There are lots of national organizations, including Chechen and Tajik ones. But Russian organizations are ruthlessly exterminated. Do you want some more info?

biggest, baddest WIFI and the password is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45712141)

... in cyrillic

Seriously? (1)

superwiz (655733) | about 8 months ago | (#45712923)

Are we gonna have to suffer every commentator struggling to mispronounce Krasnaya Polyana instead of using the most obvious straight-forward translation "red valley"?

alpine or Alpine? (1)

gravis777 (123605) | about 8 months ago | (#45713089)

tight cluster of Alpine venues in the nearby Krasnaya Polyana Mountains

I am sure this is a typo, but I thought it funny. According to dictionary.com, if the word Alpine has a capitol A, it means either 1)of, pertaining to, on, or part of the Alps or 2) of or pertaining to downhill skiing or a competitive downhill skiing event.

Down further in the page:
1. of or relating to the Alps or their inhabitants
2. geology
          a. of or relating to an episode of mountain building in the Tertiary period during which the Alps were formed

As the article is not referring to The Alps, but rather to the Krasnaya Polyana Mountains, they should be using the word "alpine" with a lowercase A.

Yes, I am being a grammar Nazi, but found it funny.

Avaya eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45713619)

All supplied by Avaya. Which means that the chance of things going horribly wrong are substantial. Nortel (now Avaya) were the 'local technology partner' for the Vancouver Olympics; I know some network engineers who still have bad dreams from that ordeal. And working with the Avaya crap, I have a fairly good idea what they're talking about.

Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>