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RedHat 7.2 Beta: Roswell

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the for-all-you-mad-hatters dept.

Red Hat Software 321

LinuxNews.pl writes: "Few days ago RedHat uploaded new Beta release of their distro - Roswell. If you want to find out more about it just go to the LinuxNews.pl" And I won't even make a snide comment about how I haven't run Red Hat in 2 years!

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Snidey lies... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2111585)

And I won't even make a snide comment about how I haven't run Red Hat in 2 years!

Yeah apart from on the Slashdot SQL server [slashdot.org] ...

ext3 is there, but where is Reiser? (1)

Dana_D (452538) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112836)

Do other Slashdot readers care to comment on why Redhat didn't include Reiser as a default partition type? My impression, at least, is that Reiser is 'more mainstream' that ext3. (I can't put ext3 down by any means. I've never used it. But I believe that Reiser has been production quality longer.) To be honest, I'm rather disappointed, as are other Suse aficionados at work who have been waiting for Redhat to get a journaling FS in place.

By the way, how many Code Red hits have you all been seeing? I'm up to 309.

Holy smokes! (4, Insightful)

Denial of Service (199335) | more than 12 years ago | (#2113339)

The hypocrisy is flying around this place like shit from howler monkeys today. You're all bashing Taco for his outwardly elitist commentary when the exact same thing flows from most of you on a daily basis. Read virtually any thread around here with as must objectivity as you can muster and it's difficult to miss. God forbid anyone suggest that non-OSS software is better for a certain task or ask a seemingly obvious question.

Personally, I congratulate Rob for having the balls to at least be blunt about it instead of the thinly veiled digs routinely employed by the vast majority of you.

Now, whip out the -1, Troll or Offtopic marking for this as fast as possible and sit back satisfied that another dissenting opinion has been eliminated. It's your duty, isn't it?

Re:Holy smokes! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2113374)

I'm sorry, but I have to reply to your obvious troll. I hate you and your kind. You generalize too much. Are you really that foolish to think that everyone in the Slashdot community has the same opinion? Say the same things? NO. Everyone in here has a different opinion and posts different things up. Just because individuals here say different things, does NOT make us hypocrites. So go some where else if you think you're posting with a group of hypocrites, Troll.

Buggy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2115149)

After reformatting my Win2k (backing it up with Ghost to my 2nd hard drive first of course) I installed it. My poor Radeon VE card does not want to run X & something funky is going on with printconf 'cause I can't find any where to specify a driver. Waiting for 7.2......

Grr (0, Troll)

Cave Dweller (470644) | more than 12 years ago | (#2118542)

Ok, Cmdr, if *YOU* don't want to make that comment, I will :)

Happily running Debian.. no more rpmfind.net for me :)

Journaling File System (3, Interesting)

luguvalium2 (466022) | more than 12 years ago | (#2118544)

I installed it on a spare box a few days ago. The default filesystem is ext3. It also has migrations tools to convert existing ext2 partitions.

Re:Journaling File System (1)

CTho9305 (264265) | more than 12 years ago | (#2116318)

What exactly is a "journaling" filesystem?

Re:Journaling File System (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2118954)

First I have a question for you:

What exactly is a "search engine"?

You friggin' idiot.

Re:Journaling File System (2)

The Troll Catcher (220464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2134651)

Basically, it's one that doesn't need to be fsck'ed. This is a vast simplification, but basically, it keeps track of the changes that are made (not the actual data, just the fact that files were created/modified/deleted), and if the system should crash/power go out/etc, you won't have to worry about the filesystem being corrupted, not to mention the fact that it doesn't take ages to check the filesystem.

I use reiserfs (a JFS) on all but one partition, and if my system crashes (I run a lot of unstable stuff), the reiserfs partitions take about 2 seconds each to check, whereas ext2 takes ages...

Having built-in journaling filesystems is a very good thing. And just so you know, Mandrake has had support for more than a year, so redhat is really just catching up.

WTF is up with KDE? (1)

quartz (64169) | more than 12 years ago | (#2119195)

Damn. Still no KDE 2.2 beta, just a CVS snapshot (although the snapshot is more recent than the beta). Does anyone else find it a little odd that there are no Redhat packages of KDE 2.2 beta, after ONE MONTH from launch?

Re:WTF is up with KDE? (2, Funny)

khuber (5664) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112441)

Oh my god, a month? What is the world coming to?? Nobody should run software more than a few days old, at the very most .

Please RedHat, if you're reading, please make your distributions from the very latest alpha and beta versions, preferrably from developer snapshots done the day of the release. In the past your releases based on beta-quality code were wonderful and I'd hate to see you become another SuSE or Mandrake.

-Kevin

Re:WTF is up with KDE? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2126001)

Oh my god, a month? What is the world coming to?? Nobody should run software more than a few days old, at the very most.

Hey Kids, check that Born-On date!

If your software is older than your beer, it's time to upgrade!

do (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2119341)

duear oiar!!!

Mandrake 8.1 coming soon? (0, Offtopic)

2ms (232331) | more than 12 years ago | (#2119684)

Does anyone happen to know when we can expect to see Mandrake 8.1? I figure it would have to be pretty soon. I've never looked forward to a release so much as I've been looking forward to 8.1, cuz 8.0 was such a huge improvement over 7.2 even though it was a bit too early for things like XFree86 4.1.x. Can't wait to finally get all the kernel optimizations for AMD and 3-D card drivers that should be in 8.1. I expect I'll be able to play QuakeIII with Mandrake 8.1, which will mean that I can finally go single-boot. I expect it will probably also have KOffice 1.

Re:Mandrake 8.1 coming soon? (1)

The Troll Catcher (220464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2115333)

I'd guess not until KDE 2.2 is out - that's going to a really nice improvement on 2.1 (which is pretty nice already). I find 2.1 painful to use :).

Of course, I'm a KDE developer, so I'm biased...

Re:Mandrake 8.1 coming soon? (2)

A Commentor (459578) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126761)

Don't you mean Mandrake 9?

They always bump up their release numbers for no apparent reason, other than having the highest number ;-)

Re:Mandrake 8.1 coming soon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2111145)

Don't you mean Mandrake 9?

I think they should release Mandrake 10. Odd for unstable releases, Even for "stable" releases. They should have Mdk-42 for the release of Debian 4.

Re:Mandrake 8.1 coming soon? (1)

bhsx (458600) | more than 12 years ago | (#2134374)

I'm on #mandrake and #mandrakeguru on irc.openprojects.net all the time, we've been throwing-up October as an answer to that...
But as far as i know, it's only a guesstimate.

Hmm... (5, Funny)

itp (6424) | more than 12 years ago | (#2119724)

I guess I won't even make a snide comment about whan an asshole Rob is, then.

Re:Hmm... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2110749)

No shit.

He needs to get laid. The guy has been bitching and moaning about every little thing. From him calling Lycos asshole fuck sticks, to blaming Microsoft for all that ails he.

I'm sure we'll hear how his world is all kinds of ways fucked when Debian and GNU do something awful, like release a beta.

I'll preempt the bitching:
THOSE JERKS. [Malda loves any chance he gets to use "jerks"] THEY SOLD OUT AND NOW INCLUDE A CD OF NON-FREE.

Re:Hmm... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2110223)

He needs to get laid

Well, he's going out with Sarcasta [sarcasta.net] , isn't he?

Or are you implying that Sarcasta doesn't give any?

Re:Hmm... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2127142)

It was a figure of speech dude. I don't care to know the details of his personal life, as he's entitled to his privacy.

BUT THAT STAB AT RED HAT CROSSED THE LINE!

Re:Hmm... (-1)

Proctal Relapse (467579) | more than 12 years ago | (#2122799)

From him calling Lycos asshole fuck sticks, to blaming Microsoft for all that ails he.

you think your use of 'he' makes you grammatically correct. it doesn't. your 'he' is the direct object of 'ails' (and therefore should not be in the nominative case). in addition, you are ugly and your breath smells as though you were rotting from the insides.

Re:Hmm... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2126422)

Understood. As a quick note, Fuck YOU. You forgot to capitalize your sentences, you worthless ee cummings wannabe.

Re:Hmm... (1)

Tsar cr0bar (310803) | more than 12 years ago | (#2118948)

So he has to run Red Hat Linux to be taken seriously? I forgot that Open Source, /., News for Nerds, etc was synonymous with "Red Hat Linux".

Impressions (1, Troll)

bwoodring (101515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126997)

Has anyone else gotten the impression that if they met Taco in person, they'd despise him. I'm not trying to be a troll here, I'm serious.

I really get the impression that he is a spoiled, whiney man-child. He reminds me of the stereo-typical movie director or prima-donna actor, whining and screaming at his assistants.

I mean, maybe I'm the only one, and I admit that I've never and probably will never meet him. But I've managed to stitch together an opinion of hime from his half-wit article comments and stories I've read about him.

If I'm wrong, and you've met him and he's a great guy, feel free to correct me.

Re:Impressions (2, Interesting)

keesh (202812) | more than 12 years ago | (#2115304)

Probably not. His attitude appears to be similar to mine -- completely intolerant of ignorant assholes who aren't prepared to learn, and easily pissed off by anyone who expects him to do anything for them because of who he is.

If you think Taco's an asshole, try being on the receiving end of the amount of crap email he has to reply to every day.

Re:Impressions (0, Troll)

bwoodring (101515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2136116)

Good point. But on the other hand, that is the price of the fame/fortune he's received. Now maybe he feels like this isn't what he signed up for, but he really reminds me of a spoiled athelete/actor. If he doesn't want to put up with the bs, perhaps he should consider handing slashdot over to someone else, it is stagnating these days anyway. Kuro5hin is improving rapidly and I find myself reading it more and more and slashdot less and less.

Re:Impressions (1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2115391)

Actually I did meet him at a trade show not long ago. I did find him kind of annoying. It was kind of dissappointing really, since I'm a big fan of Slashdot and a long-time user, I kind of pictured him as a cool guy.

Of course I didn't really get to know him well, maybe deep down he's thoughtful and interesting, but on the surface he was one of those guys who thinks putting everything down is funny and doesn't realize that it's just annoying. (I'm not overly sensitive to put-downs by the way, in the hands of a master they can be very funny, but Rob isn't a master.)

A lot of it might be just immaturity. Maybe in a few years he'll grow into a crazy, but interesting person like Stallman. (Who can also be annoying as hell, but once you get him to stop evangelizing actually has some interesting viewpoints.)

Re:Hmm... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2127321)

look at the above comments about downloading ISOs, vs. jsut getting the packages you need. Once you realize the latter option in Debian is as painless as possible, you will recognize Taco's 1337ness!

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2115390)

I have never found red-carpet to be particularly painful.

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2134101)

I guess I won't need to make a snide comment about the last release of Debian being 2 years ago, either!

Re:Hmm... (1)

keesh (202812) | more than 12 years ago | (#2134104)

RedHat isn't for all of us, you know... Some people, especially those more experienced in Linux, prefer the greater power that there is in Debian. Sure, it's a pain in the butt to install (well, according to some...), but until RedHat offers something as powerful as apt I'm not switching back...

Re:Hmm... (2)

MSG (12810) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112412)

Those of us who are "more experienced in Linux" know that you can get apt for rpm and use it to maintain a Red Hat system.

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2131894)

The biggest reason why linux will never as mainstream as windows is, is because of the support. There are lots of companies writing drivers for their hardware with some document thats says something along the lines of, "get help from the linux commnuity". how is my mother supposed to get help from all you asswhipes, when all you're going to do is flame her about he distribution or desktop she's using? The point is, linux will only become as mature as the majority of it's audience is. (high school level). When did one distro become "more powerfull" than another.

Agreed... (1, Offtopic)

Ron Harwood (136613) | more than 12 years ago | (#2135368)

Elitism isn't a very attractive feature in anyone... but then it's not Rob's fault, really.

He is what the /. community has made him into. He's basically his own boss, who's got a shitload of cash at a very early age, and reality can't touch him - so he's free to poke fun at whatever he pleases.

looks pretty nice.. (3, Informative)

josepha48 (13953) | more than 12 years ago | (#2121324)

ext3 support built into the kernel...(as well as other journling file systems)

GNOME 1.4.x.. ... XFree 4.1.x.. nautulus(sp).. mozilla.. new config tools eventually phazing out linuxconf... easy GUI ISP dial tool..

I am running 7.1 right now and except for a few setup issues it is actually pretty good.

Hopefully they'll put mozill 9.3 in or the latest version of mozilla at the time of release...

Ext3??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2130128)

Forgive my ignorance, but could someone explain what's different about ext3? What's a journaling filesystem? Why might I want to use it over ext2? Does it still need that wretched fsck?

Read the link folks... (-1, Redundant)

kireK (254264) | more than 12 years ago | (#2121922)

Another false alarm from our 'friends' at Redhat. Tired of these... then switch to Mandrake [linux-mandrake.com] .

Re:Read the link folks... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2109677)

Are you a troll or just a moron?

Re:Read the link folks... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2115815)

wow! you loose! There is indeed a beta release and RedHat are just having a laugh because it's codenamed "Roswell" Swamp gas, weather balloons... get it? eh? Ah, forget it.

Re:Read the link folks... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2122335)

At times like these I wish there was a '-1 Blatant Retard'

RedHat denies! (5, Funny)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 12 years ago | (#2122440)

RedHat now denies that they have released another beta of their distro - Roswell. They say: "In reality it was just another one of our disaster recovery backups that we place offsite every month. There is no evidence that points to that this should have been a distro".
Meanwhile RedHat believers rush to FTP sites, trying to gather evidence that it indeed was a real distro that had entered these servers.

Another coverup? Only time will tell.

Elitism by CmdrTaco? No way!!!! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2122441)

Yes thank you very much! Now, we all know that CmdrTaco uses debian.
But still, I consider it appropriate to thank RedHat for making a nice distro which seems to be the preferred distro for corporations and not flame away at the folks from RH!

Another update? (1)

Mike1024 (184871) | more than 12 years ago | (#2123490)

Dammitt, why does RH keep updating? It takes hours to download the CD ISOs over a dial-up connection...

Michael

Re:Another update? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2112978)

Dammitt, why does RH keep updating? It takes hours to download the CD ISOs over a dial-up connection...

Install any of the BSD family and just do CVS updates. It's much leaner and more refined than grabbing entire ISOs.

And as a side benefit you can alro run your Linux-only binaries

Newsflash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2119725)

You don't have to download all the freakin' ISOs.

Re:Another update? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2121920)

Exactly what packages do you need to update that you keep downloading these? Is there something flawed in the kernel? The grab the source and recompile. Is there something wrong with /bin/ls? Don't give in to blind-upgraditis. Know your systems or you're no better than these morons running the IIS servers that got owned by Code Red this week.

Re:Another update? (2, Informative)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 12 years ago | (#2127409)

Why on Earth would you want to download an ISO over a dial-up connection? Just update the packages that have changed and you'll end up with the essentially the same thing as the new version. Or you could pay for it. $50 is a lot less than the cost in pain involved in downloading 650MB over a dial-up connection.

Re:Another update? (1)

mz001b (122709) | more than 12 years ago | (#2127518)

Why on Earth would you want to download an ISO over a dial-up connection? Just update the packages that have changed and you'll end up with the essentially the same thing as the new version. Or you could pay for it. $50 is a lot less than the cost in pain involved in downloading 650MB over a dial-up connection.

In addition to offsetting the pain of a long download, if you really like the product, dropping $50 every so often on a Linux distribution helps support the company, so future version will continue to be produced.

Re:Another update? (2)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126760)

In addition to offsetting the pain of a long download, if you really like the product, dropping $50 every so often on a Linux distribution helps support the company, so future version will continue to be produced.

But I thought Linux was produced by persons doing it for the good of the computer community? Isn't that what Linux/GPL is all about? Do they really just want money?

Re:Another update? (1)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 12 years ago | (#2112414)

Actually it just occurred to me that since this is a beta, it's only available in ISO form and paying for it is not even an option. However, it won't be too long before the final version of 7.2 is released and by waiting for it one avoids any problems that might come up before then.

Re:Another update? (1)

mz001b (122709) | more than 12 years ago | (#2128445)

Dammitt, why does RH keep updating? It takes hours to download the CD ISOs over a dial-up connection...

You don't have to update. If you are happy with what you are currently running, and everything is working for you, keep your system as is.

M$ Withdrawal (1)

metalhed77 (250273) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126885)

You don't have to update. If you are happy with what you are currently running, and everything is working for you, keep your system as is. heh, that's called M$ withdrawal

For those that actually care about this stuff.... (1)

randombit (87792) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126512)

If you find yourself interested by this article, you should probably subscribe to the readhat watch lists. I moslty do so because they send security alerts for Redhat there, but I found out about the beta a couple of days ago thanks to that.

Now if only they would put out RH 7.2 for SPARC. Sigh. Probably not. Actually, any news about a new Redhat for Alpha?

Hey! (2)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 12 years ago | (#2127349)

Don't make us RedHat share holders have to come over there and kick you square in the nuts!

Yeah yeah, I bought a few at today's low-low prices because I'm not out a whole lot if they go under and I think that of the Linux companies, they have a pretty good chance of success. I pity the people who got in at the IPO price and didn't sell when they went over $100, though...

Re:Hey! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2136841)

good for you! dummy. i'm shorting rhat. lol!

And that was what kind of comment? (5, Insightful)

SimplyCosmic (15296) | more than 12 years ago | (#2127406)

And I won't even make a snide comment about how I haven't run Red Hat in 2 years!
Gee ... That certainly looks to be a snide comment to me. Kind of like the guy who insults your entire family, and then thinks a "just kidding" at the end makes up for it.

Normally I try to ignore the biased comments that creep up in the stories here, but the snippy little comments, regardless of the topic, have become a bit much lately.

Re:And that was what kind of comment? (3, Interesting)

Teach (29386) | more than 12 years ago | (#2115736)

"Like a madman shooting firebrands or deadly arrows is a man who deceives his neighbor and says, 'I was only joking!'" -- Proverbs 26:18-19

Sometimes the Bible is surprisingly relevant.

(BTW, this comment is not intended as a troll; it's just that few people know the Bible has anything to say about the whole "just kidding" thing. Though I fear I may spark a long offtopic thread anyway. Apologies in advance if such a thread ensues.)

Re:And that was what kind of comment? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2116709)

yo' mama has become a bit much lately. seriously. she's so fat, all the restaraunts have signs that read "Occupancy: 240 persons, OR yo' mama"

yo mama so fat she's got Hillary Rosen orbiting around her.

just kidding.

Re:And that was what kind of comment? (1)

anshil (302405) | more than 12 years ago | (#2138020)

Yeah, what worth does such comment actually give to the story? I want to decide if I like Redhat or not.

Re:And that was what kind of comment? (3, Insightful)

mikethegeek (257172) | more than 12 years ago | (#2138841)

"And I won't even make a snide comment about how I haven't run Red Hat in 2 years!"

I agree, this IS horriblly elitist. Yes, Debian is the most "ideologically pure" Linux distro (which I admire), but it's the HARDEST for any non-expert to get any use out of. As a systems engineer, my job is not to impose ideology, but to impliment the best solution, which in the Linux world is Red Hat.

Red Hat is in my experience the best distro for a server, which is what I use 7.1 for. However, I do use Mandrake on my desktop machine, but then that is what Mandrake is INTENDED for.

The press release was REALLY cool, and the name "Roswell" is way cool. Too bad they didn't save that for the final...

Re:And that was what kind of comment? (1)

keesh (202812) | more than 12 years ago | (#2139218)

If you don't like it, go create your own website. You seem to be forgetting that this is Rob's site and he can say pretty much what he wants on it. Or isn't he allowed to have an opinion any more, now that he gets so much traffic?

Re:And that was what kind of comment? (1)

anshil (302405) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126779)

Or isn't he allowed to have an opinion any more, now that he gets so much traffic?

But he'll have to live with comments like this :o))

No, this is real. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2127516)

Uh, guys...this is real. See the Red Hat beta site [redhat.com] . They've got the ISOs up on a few mirrors. And that crazy thing about the rumors came right from the Red Hat site.

Re:No, this is real. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2139704)

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

Redhat 7.2 (1)

pyrodex (473045) | more than 12 years ago | (#2131893)

Ive acutally had the iso's since July 30th.. its funny how RH said no such beta exists however on ftp.redhat.com it does... Well anyways.. Native EXT3 support and no fsck anymore with ext3 well not like we are used to seeing... New GUI hard drive layout setup too... Reminds me of the old Digital Unix OSF 3.x and 4.0 setup layout. All in all its a nice release...

"I haven't run red hat for 2 years..." (1)

thue (121682) | more than 12 years ago | (#2133369)

I suppose that means you purely run windows ME so you can play diablo?

What about GCC? (1)

reynaert (264437) | more than 12 years ago | (#2134103)

Do they ship the new 3.0, while they promised not to keep point releases binary compatible?

Or do they still their 2.96 "snapshot"?

Taco, (2, Flamebait)

shaunak (304231) | more than 12 years ago | (#2134761)

"And I won't even make a snide comment about how I haven't run Red Hat in 2 years! "

Snide: Expressive of contempt

You almost did. And besides, we don't give a flying fuck what you do, and do not use. Get over it.

There is no Roswell! (5, Interesting)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2136026)

They even say so in plain english, on this "East European" news site.

;-)

I love the style of the writing of the press release:

Trust no one!

It has come to our attention that rumors are floating regardingthe appearance of a Red Hat Linux beta release, named ROSWELL. We would like to reassure you that there is nothing of the sort. No other object has been misidentified as a Red Hat Linux beta release more often than Rawhide. Rawhide was updated just recently. Reporters probably thought they saw something on an FTP site other than Rawhide, but we assure you, it was Rawhide.

Reports cite that this supposed ROSWELL beta included 4 CDs of software, with such things as a 2.4.6 Linux kernel, XFree86 4.1.0, KDE 2.2pre, GNOME 1.4, and journaling file system support, and included support for both x86 and ia64.

Were any such Red Hat Linux beta release to exist, it would not be recommended for use on mission-critical hardware, and any casualties due to data loss, mutation, swamp gas, radiation, or strange glowing lights with such a release would be scoffed at. Any problems or bugs with such a release would most likely be the effect of passing weather balloons.

These problems would be reported at:

http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/

However, there is no evidence to suggest the actual presence of a ROSWELL beta release. Those who claim otherwise would best not flaunt their naivete by telling anyone that they saw anything other than Rawhide.

Etc.

Too bad we can't say the same about XP

Re:There is no Roswell! (analysis) (1, Offtopic)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 12 years ago | (#2122334)

Okay, here's the explanation - they said there's no 'ROSWELL'. Strictly-speaking, this is true, but only in the 'stupid UNIX-style filesystem' sense. Since uppercase characters are different from lowercase ones, 'ROSWELL' does not equal 'Roswell', therefore, while there may, indeed be no 'ROSWELL', they've certainly not addressed 'Roswell'.

Also, I heard when you bootup the new beta, it plays a Dido .mp3. Sweet.

Comments like this (2, Insightful)

re-Verse (121709) | more than 12 years ago | (#2136128)

Its comments like that that hinder the growth of the linux community. Joe newbie finally gets on to an IRC linux help channel, asks about something he thinks is redhat related. He gets replies of "lamer, rtfm, redhat is gay." or, more in line with Taco's "Redhat, um, no comment, Redhat *snicker*"
The newbie feels dejected, sees the community as a bunch of arrogant geeks (i guess we mainly are?) and goes back to windows where Everyone is willing to help him.

While it seems most of the linux community is realizing this, and is starting to work together to make linux a more newbie friendly place, less distro fanaticism and more helping hands, its quite suprising to see /. post something so utterly condescending on what is probably the most popular linux distro for newbies, and The Best Known linux outside of the linux community.

.2 Redhat releases (2, Informative)

mz001b (122709) | more than 12 years ago | (#2137356)

The X.2 releases of Redhat are usually pretty refined. There is not much ground breaking stuff in here, just evolution of the existing packages (gcc 3.0 is not used by default, just included in addition to 2.96).

2.4.6 is now included, as is Xfree 4.1.0 and Gnome 1.4

RH 7.1 is already a pretty nice distribution. It will be interesting to see what the installer changes look like.

Re:.2 Redhat releases (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2121931)

yep - it'll be nice to get my boss to admit there's a reason to update beyond 6.2 now. He wouldn't go past 5.2 until 6.2 was released.

Kernel 2.4.x, here we come!

2nd p00p (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2137681)

felt good!

redhat vs debian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2137707)

Wow! thanks for the snide comment Commander l33ter-than-though Taco!

Mounting a floppy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2138478)

How exactly do you mount a floppy under this new distro?

Re:Mounting a floppy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2134373)

mount /mnt/floppy

Re:Mounting a floppy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2135114)

Does everything have to be some kind of gay innuendo? If "mounting a floppy" isn't a homoerotic reference, I don't know what is. This going to degenerate into talk about typing #mansex, isn't it?

~~~

Re:Mounting a floppy? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2149579)

Does everything have to be some kind of gay innuendo?

Everything related to Linux, yes.

The entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

Linus Torvalds is an anagram of SLIT ANUS OR VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial. Richard M. Stallman , spokespervert for the Gaysex is Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of MANS CRAM THRILL AD. Alan Cox is barely an anagram of ANAL COX which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, [Buy At Amazon] is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for SECONDARY RIM and CORD IN MY ARSE. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail, which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for "Felch Male" - a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, "felching" is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into "e-male."

As far as Richard "(cock)Master" Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: RMS: "I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance," he says. "It's about being able to question conventional wisdom," he asserts. "I believe in love, but not monogamy," he says plainly. And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo slut! Speaking about "flaming," who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:

"I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too? We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as "Slashdot's resident Gasbag." Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual terminology found inside the Linux "Sauce Code," a "Gasbag" is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, "piss-pipe"), then his homosexual lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda. Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware distro is named after the Slack-wear fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of CLAW ARSE, a reference to the homosexual practise of anal fisting.

The Mandrake product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for DARK AMEN and RAM NAKED, which is what they do. Another "distro," (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like "Disco," which is where homosexuals preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, an anagram of IN A BED, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. "Woody" is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis, glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase "Frozen Potato" that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual "Sauce Code," refers to the solo homosexual practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat is secret homo slang for the tip of a penis that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece. The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the "supermount" tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. "Automount" is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other automatically. The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of "mount points." These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously /anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say "There is no /opt mount point" because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life. More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love 'man', even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out 'man'. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man. Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the "FAQ," but how many innocent heterosexual Windows users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags! Even the title "Slashdot" originally referred to a homosexual practice. Slashdot of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.goatse.cx/. The editors of Slashdot also have homosexual names: "Hemos" is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from "Homos." But even more sickening is "Commander Taco" which sounds a bit like "Commode in Taco," filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these "Taco Commodes" have special "Salsa Sauce" (blood from a ruptured rectum) and "Cheese" (rancid flakes of penis discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot runs on Apache! The Apache server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, The Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named. And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting. To summarise: Linux is gay. "Slash - Dot" is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS is for hermaphrodites and disabled "stumpers."

Re:Mounting a floppy? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2110284)

That is some hilarilous funny shit. Hmmm...I'm posting this AC...does that really mean "Anonymous Coward" or is this just another attempt by the Slashdot homo-hierarchy to make us think of ourselves as "Anal Commandos?" I wonder...

incompatible with Ximian GNOME!!! (1)

mz001b (122709) | more than 12 years ago | (#2138479)

It is interesting to see in the Release notes that they do not support upgrading to Roswell is you are currently running Ximian GNOME, due to differences in package naming. They tell you to either remove Ximian GNOME before installing, upgrade your Ximiam GNOME immediately after upgrading, or explicitly install all of the RH GNOME packages immediately after upgrading.

I thought RH and Ximian were playing nicely together. Hopefully this is something that will be sorted out before the final release, but it does not look that way from the comments in the release note.

Should it be? (2)

SimplyCosmic (15296) | more than 12 years ago | (#2133368)

This is a beta release, after all. Ximian generally takes a bit of time to release their updates to the current version a bit after the official release

After all, being a beta, if there are major bugs found, they may have to make enough significant changes that Ximian would spend too much time catching up. Better to wait until the release.

Interesting that I got rejected for this story (0, Flamebait)

NewbieSpaz (172080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2138480)

On Thursday, I submitted this to Slashdot:
"2001-08-02 20:18:48 Redhat Releases New Beta (articles,redhat) (rejected)"

Interesting how it only gets posted if the all-powerful Taco submits it... WTF?

Re:Interesting that I got rejected for this story (3, Informative)

pjbass (144318) | more than 12 years ago | (#2126778)

Funny, I submitted a story on PCI 3.0 (Intel's Arapahoe interface) to replace the existing PCI bus. His reason for rejecting it was "he had others who already submitted it, and was sitting on those waiting to post it." This was on Thursday of last week... I would have thought people would like to know what's going on for the future of computers, not just when Taco feels he needs to bash RedHat (even though Slackware is superior :-) ).

Re:Interesting that I got rejected for this story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2115503)

Yeah, I once could rely on Slashbot to provide timely "Stuff that matters."
Now all I find is stories about how Burrito Boy likes to whack off to his Anime Cels.

Sheeesh!

Re:Interesting that I got rejected for this story (1)

rde (17364) | more than 12 years ago | (#2138021)

I know it's bad form to post links to one's own web site, but observe [robertelliott.org] .

Huh?? (2)

delmoi (26744) | more than 12 years ago | (#2147827)

LinuxNews.pl was the user who submitted it, CT was the one who posted it. What probably happened is that one of other the editors saw the artical dropped it, where as CT saw this one and posted it.

Can't wait... (1)

dnaumov (453672) | more than 12 years ago | (#2148618)

...for the 7.2 release of RedHat.

I am a Linux newbie and I am installing/using Linux from time to time to see how this interesting OS is evolving (Win2000 is my main OS). My all-time fav distro is RedHat 7.1, due to the easy to use installer and management/configuration tools.

The main problem with RH 7.1 was the damned GCC 2.96.3 compiler which refuses to compile more then 50% of the programs out there and it really makes me wonder why the hell has RedHat *yet again* made it the default compiler. GCC 2.96.3 and 3.0 ? C'mon ! I thought everybody said that 2.95.3 was the last usable one.

I am very excited about the upcoming 7.2 release with Ximian Gnome 1.4 and XFree 4.1.0, but I will be really pissed if the final release won't include KDE 2.2 and a proper compier as well.

Re:Can't wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2112509)

As far as I know, things that won't compile with newer compilers (gcc 2.96..) are due to poor coding technique. Anyone care to give the specifics? Regardless, I do believe at least Mandrake is using the same compiler in drake 8, but I haven't used it, so I may yet again be wrong...

That's because your code is broken (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2120581)

  • gcc 2.96 is actually more standards compliant than any other version of gcc released at the time Red Hat made this decision (3.0 is even more compliant, but not as stable) yet). It may not be "standards compliant" as in "what most others are shipping", but 2.96 is almost fully ISO C99 and ISO C++ 98 compliant, unlike any previous version of gcc.
  • gcc 2.96 has more complete support for C++. Older versions of gcc could handle only a very limited subset of C++. Earlier versions of g++ often had problems with templates and other valid C++ constructs.
  • gcc 2.96 generates better, more optimized code.
  • gcc 2.96 supports all architectures Red Hat is currently supporting, including ia64. No other compiler can do this. Having to maintain different compilers for every different architecture is a development (find a bug, then fix it 4 times), QA and support nightmare.
  • The binary incompatibility issues are not as bad as some people and companies make you believe. First of all, they affect dynamically linked C++ code only. If you don't use C++, you aren't affected. If you use C++ and link statically, you aren't affected. If you don't mind depending on a current glibc, you might also want to link statically to c++ libraries while linking dynamically to glibc and other C libraries you're using: g++ -o test test.cc -Wl,-Bstatic -lstdc++ -Wl,-Bdynamic (Thanks to Pavel Roskin [mailto] for pointing this out) Second, the same issues appear with every major release of gcc so far. gcc 2.7.x C++ is not binary compatible with gcc 2.8.x. gcc 2.8.x C++ is not binary compatible with egcs 1.0.x. egcs 1.0.x C++ is not binary compatible with egcs 1.1.x. egcs 1.1.x C++ is not binary compatible with gcc 2.95. gcc 2.95 C++ is not binary compatible with gcc 3.0. Besides, it can easily be circumvented. Either link statically, or simply distribute libstdc++ with your program and install it if necessary. Since it has a different soname, it can coexist with other libstdc++ versions without causing any problems. Red Hat Linux 7 also happens to be the first Linux distributions using the current version of glibc, 2.2.x. This update is not binary compatible with older distributions either (unless you update glibc - there's nothing that prevents you from updating libstdc++ at the same time), so complaining about gcc's new C++ ABI breaking binary compatibility is pointless. If you want to distribute something binary-only, link it statically and it will run everywhere. Someone has to be the first to take a step like this. If nobody dared to make a change because nobody else is doing it, we'd all still be using gcc 1.0, COBOL or ALGOL. No wait, all of those were new at some point...
  • Most of gcc 2.96's perceived "bugs" are actually broken code that older gccs accepted because they were not standards compliant - or, using an alternative term to express the same thing, buggy. A C or C++ compiler that doesn't speak the standardized C language is a bug, not a feature. In the initial version of gcc 2.96, there were a couple of other bugs. All known ones have been fixed in the version from updates - and the version that is in the current beta version of Red Hat Linux. The bugs in the initial version don't make the whole compiler broken, though. There has never been a 100% bug free compiler, or any other 100% bug free non-trivial program. The current version can be downloaded here [linux-easy.com] .
  • gcc 3.0, the current "stable" release (released quite some time after Red Hat released gcc 2.96-RH), fixes some problems, but introduces many others - for example, gcc 3.0 can't compile KDE 2.2 beta 1 correctly. Until the first set of 3.0 updates is released, I still claim 2.96 is the best compiler yet.
Trolling for GCC 2.96

Re:Can't wait... (4, Interesting)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 12 years ago | (#2127361)

gcc 2.96x isnt even an official release. gcc-3.0 is. gcc-3.01 will follow in August. Why RedHat continues to support "gcc-2.96x" is beyond me.

Here is a list of gcc-3.0 improvements [gnu.org] over gcc-2.95.3. As for myself, I really appreciate the libstdc++-3.0 support.

I am less than enthusiatic about the

New warnings for C code that may have undefined semantics because of violations of sequence point rules in the C standard (such as a = a++;, a[n] = b[n++]; and a[i++] = i;), included in -Wall.

OMS/LiVid [linuxvideo.org] code, in particular, trips this up.

Journalling!!! (1)

1stflight (48795) | more than 12 years ago | (#2151867)

Finally they've including journalling as an installable option, I'm downloading now!!! Oh, does anyone know which journalling package it is? EXT3 maybe?

Re:Journalling!!! (1)

fuzzbrain (239898) | more than 12 years ago | (#2148617)

Looking at the rpms, there are a couple of Reiserfs tools so I'd assume it's that one. I must say I'm a bit disappointed. I was hoping they'd opt for xfs seeing as there's already an xfs installer.
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