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Apple Pushes Developers To iOS 7

Unknown Lamer posted about 9 months ago | from the upgrade-or-die dept.

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Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Chuong Nguyen reports that Apple is forcing developers to adopt iOS 7's visual UI for their apps, and has advised iOS developers that all apps submitted after February 1, 2014 must be optimized for iOS 7 and built using Xcode 5 ... 'It's likely that Apple is more anxious than ever for developers to update their apps to fit in visually and mechanically with iOS 7, as it's the largest change in the history of Apple's mobile software,' says Matthew Panzarino. 'iOS 7 introduced a much more complex physical language while stripping out many of the visual cues that developers had relied on to instruct users. For better or worse, this has created a new aesthetic that many un-updated apps did not reflect.' Most app developers have been building apps optimized towards iOS 7 since Apple's World Wide Developer Conference in June 2013. Apple has been on a push over the past couple of years to encourage developers to support the latest editions of its OS faster than ever. To do this, it's made a habit of pointing out the adoption rates of new versions of iOS, which are extremely high. Nearly every event mentions iOS 7 adoption, which now tops 76% of all iOS users, and Apple publishes current statistics. In order to optimize apps for the new operating system, they must be built with the latest version of Xcode 5 which includes 64-bit support and access to new features like backgrounding APIs."

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Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (1, Interesting)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 9 months ago | (#45727795)

Cause I haven't been keeping tabs and I'd hate to miss the JB window for iOS7. And I'm not giving up 6 until the JB is ready.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (1, Insightful)

ganjadude (952775) | about 9 months ago | (#45727897)

FTA

Devices that are compatible and are switched on to WiFi will automatically download the latest iOS build and install it without requiring user intervention, a forceful move done by Apple.

As someone who does not use apple products and havent since the power PC days ( ok I lie, I had an ipod classic for a short period of time) does this mean there is no way to turn off "automatic updates" in an Idevice? I would not be too happy if that were the case, If I am happy with the version I am running, I dont want apple saying too bad and forcing me into another version that will change all my settings / visual cues that I am used to and like

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 9 months ago | (#45727975)

... don't forget degrading your performance. Can't have you happy with an older version of the OS that runs fast on your old device. Why would you buy a new one?

Re: Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45727993)

What do you mean that you wouldn't be happy? If Apple tells you to be happy you simply have to adjust.

RE: (1)

ambidextroustech (2597091) | about 9 months ago | (#45728069)

Isn't it true for all technology today? It's called progress, even if you don't like it or agree with it.

Re: (2, Interesting)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about 9 months ago | (#45728373)

No, it's not true. I can boot up my computer that runs Windows XP, or my other computer that runs NetBSD 4.0, and it doesn't automatically and forcibly upgrade the OS to a version that doesn't run well on the old hardware.

It's called a forced upgrade to drive hardware sales, you shill.

Yes, I know I'm posting this one on apple.slashdot.org so it's you apple freaks' turf and I'm being rude.

Re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728559)

What are you talking about?
Neither iOS or MacOS updates major versions automatically or forcibly.
Not even small ones for that sake. Auto app update was just recently introduced.

Re: (2)

chuckugly (2030942) | about 9 months ago | (#45728539)

Well Windows 8.1 seems snappier than Windows 7 was. Maybe the work they did in trying to shoehorn it onto a tablet actually was useful for PC users in some way.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (2)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 9 months ago | (#45728035)

Most jailbreaks turn off autonotification/checking for updates. I don't see why a JB wouldn't just turn off the autoupdate feature.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (4, Informative)

perpenso (1613749) | about 9 months ago | (#45728143)

... does this mean there is no way to turn off "automatic updates" in an Idevice ...

A user of an iOS device does not have to upgrade. The check for an update is automatic, the installation is not.

Its more of an issue for developers. The development tools sometimes make it difficult to support older versions of iOS. At the moment iOS 6 is well supported so there really is not much of a problem to have your app target both iOS 6 and 7.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 9 months ago | (#45728169)

OS and application upgrades are manual. You can choose not to do them.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728515)

While constantly being bombarded to install them, and then not being able to reinstall an older version is worse. No thanks.

One flag?? (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 9 months ago | (#45728591)

While constantly being bombarded to install them

On iOS you just get one alert, after that a badge on settings. How is that "bombarded"?

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (3, Informative)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 9 months ago | (#45728215)

Devices that are compatible and are switched on to WiFi will automatically download the latest iOS build and install it without requiring user intervention

This is untrue. My 4s is at iOS 6.1.3. It has an indicator that iOS 7 is available as a download, but hasn't auto-downloaded it, or installed it. I also need to free up 4 gigs on my 16 gig iPhone to install it, which I'm too lazy to do these days.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about 9 months ago | (#45728219)

Along with

Nearly every event mentions iOS 7 adoption, which now tops 76% of all iOS users

-- I've got 3 devices that can't even run iOS 7 -- with the HUGE number of older iPhones, iPod Touches and 1st Gen iPads out there, this stat means that less than 24% of those devices still in use are these older models -- significantly less, as people who are jailbreaking with more recent models are still sitting on iOS 6 as well.

As far as that other bit, you have to have your device set up to automatically download and install updates to the device I think; I've got devices with WiFi enabled, and they still are set to ask if I want to install updates when I physically connect them to a host computer.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728317)

Nope,

When Apple reports the percentage running the current version, it is percentage OF THOSE DEVICES CAPABLE OF RUNNING THAT VERSION!

Older devices just magically vanish from the statistic when they are no longer supported by the latest version.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about 9 months ago | (#45728361)

You can easily turn off the updates, without jailbreaking. I haven't read it, but if TFA says that, it's FUD.

Settings>iTunes&AppStore> Updates set to off.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 9 months ago | (#45728589)

You don;'t have to apply any patches or updates. The worst that happens is that you have a little red number sitting on your screen telling you that there are available updates. You can decide whether or not to do so.

Typically, I wait about a week, see just what Apple managed to break and then update if desired. Easy peasy.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (5, Interesting)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 9 months ago | (#45727901)

iOS7 would have gotten Jony FIRED if Jobs were still alive. Give the man a gong, and "Sir" Ives fucks everything to hell.

The man was a great PHYSICAL designer of cases and objects. Not allowed near software UXD in Steve's lifetime. Now you know why.

Nothing works well, any longer - shadows and reflections or not. The laundry list of how screwed the music app deserved a post of its own.

Red chevrons? REALLY? Lotus Notes, Borland SideKick and ccMail.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728213)

Grow up. Millions of happy iOS customers proved you wrong.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (5, Interesting)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about 9 months ago | (#45728379)

That's like arguing that "See! Millions eat at McDonald's that it *must* be gourmet food!"

Popularity != Quality.

iOS is a total clusterfuck of bad UI/UX design principles. Gee, let's flush everything we know about making GOOD UI right down the toilet and use a retarded flat-shading to conflate the UI S/N.

Apple *now* believes anti-skeuomorphism is the One True Way; the point of UI rules is to know when to use them AND when to break them.

Any ideology taken to an extreme is bad in the long run.

Pre-iOS7 had a very nice balance of 3D shading, photorealism, and skeuomorphism, which TOGETHER all helped the UI S/N. iOS7 tells me the UI designers don't understand the first thing about UI S/N.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (5, Insightful)

perpenso (1613749) | about 9 months ago | (#45728511)

Grow up. Millions of happy iOS customers proved you wrong.

No. Many iOS users thought that iOS 7 was a step forward with respect to functionality and a step backward with respect to visual appearance. Skeumorphism may have been overdone but iOS 7 went too far in the opposite direction, too flat, gets rid of borders that made sense (buttons), icons that make no sense and look like a placeholder that never got replaced (game center), etc.

Its a strange day when people coming from the Linux world are doing a better job at UI design than Apple.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 9 months ago | (#45728521)

Grow up. Millions of happy iOS customers proved you wrong.

I'm not sure they are so happy. As far as I can tell, the response has been "whatever, I'll put up with it," along with two small, vocal minorities that hate or love it.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728259)

How is this a troll when it's absolutely true? The music app is still (after three? four? updates) an awful, buggy mess, which is unforgivable for a company that bankrolls on media consumption.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (1)

The123king (2395060) | about 9 months ago | (#45728375)

I, myself disagree. Whist i'm no fan of the pseudo-3d effect on the backgrounds, or any of the "fancyness" of iOS7, i only run 7 on my iPhone 4, which doesn't support any of that anyway. My iPad 3 still runs iOS6 jailbroken, but as soon as an untether comes out, that's going on 7 too. 7 works well for me, and isnt too different from 6 IMHO. In fact, visually, i think it's a massive improvement from the very dated XP-like textures of iOS6 and below. At least 7 is so simple, visually, that it's going to be very hard to become dated.

Re:Everybody happy with iOS7 jailbreak? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 9 months ago | (#45728501)

I hope that iOS7 doesn't get jailbroken. It is such a waste of time to put so much effort into things that should just work out of the box. There is no reason for Apple to lock their system down so much.

Not really a big deal or even push! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45727825)

Of course apps should work on iOS7. They can still run on older iOSs.

As the install base is approaching 80%, it would also be terrible ignorant not to support iOS7.

Re:Not really a big deal or even push! (2)

mark-t (151149) | about 9 months ago | (#45728263)

The problem is, however, that an increasing number of applications, will not work on previous IOS versions... even if there is nothing particular about the newer IOS version that the application actually requres. The only way to prevent this is to target the application for the oldest IOS version you want to support at build time. But doing so would not optimize the app for more recent IOS versions.

Can support both iOS 6 and 7 UI styles (1)

perpenso (1613749) | about 9 months ago | (#45728547)

The problem is, however, that an increasing number of applications, will not work on previous IOS versions... even if there is nothing particular about the newer IOS version that the application actually requres. The only way to prevent this is to target the application for the oldest IOS version you want to support at build time. But doing so would not optimize the app for more recent IOS versions.

Your app can have both an iOS 6 look and an iOS 7 look depending on which it finds itself running on. Much of this is done automatically by iOS, some version specific coding may be required. This of course requires using the latest development tools.

Plus Apple is letting people with older versions of iOS get the last compatible version of an app if the current version is incompatible. So if you have a stable iOS 6 version and make an iOS 7 update then iOS 6 users can still get that older IOS 6 version.

Dear Users... (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 9 months ago | (#45727833)

Compliance is Exciting and Mandatory! Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Re:Dear Users... (2, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | about 9 months ago | (#45727947)

On the bright side, there should be a fresh wave of people who can't upgrade because Apple abandoned the devices.

So, the last update I got for my first-gen iPad is the last of these devices I'll own.

They still support my 10 year old iPods, but after 2 years they no longer supported my iPad.

Re:Dear Users... (2, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 9 months ago | (#45728047)

Regardless, Apple seems to be better than everyone else in this regard. With Android tablets it's a mystery as to whether or not you'll get upgrades at all. Sure you have more luck with Nexus tablets over other Android models, but they don't really have that long of a track record with tablets, so it's really hard to tell. For Christmas this year I spent a lot of time researching tablets, and settled on the Surface2. Sure, mock me or call me an MS shill if you want, but it's the only tablet out there that's 10 inch, has expandable storage, and I can be reasonably assured that I'll get software updates on a regular basis. Oh, and you can run 2 apps at the same time with both on screen. The only downside is the lack of apps, but the selection is growing, and as far as I can tell, I can do all the tasks I need to do. Sure it's missing some specific applications, and specific games, but it has enough of both to get the job done. And for many tasks. It also appears to be well built, with quality hardware, something missing from many Android tablets.

Re:Dear Users... (1)

ambidextroustech (2597091) | about 9 months ago | (#45728141)

For a tablet/touchscreen device, the Windows 8+ is doing okay but it's the crappiest system to ever use for a desktop. Two apps, side-by-side, are you kidding? I have 4 operations in dual screen right now on Windows 7, and I can be swamped by as many as 10 at a time. Sure, Windows 8 may have the desktop app but is it an app or is it the desktop?

Re:Dear Users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728163)

Regardless, Apple seems to be better than everyone else in this regard.

It's quite telling how ready the majority of the world's population is to be told what to think and somehow convinced that they agreed with it before being told.

No sane person would applaud a company for forcing all of its users to continually buy new hardware every year or risk being "left behind."

Re:Dear Users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728305)

Compare that to the situation with my Android tablet. It is running 4.0 and that's it. No chance of any updates.
In effect it was already 'left behind' the moment it left the factory. JB it? Not a chance. There are a good number of tales of woe from people who tried it and bricked their device.

As a result, my next tablet will be an Apple one.

Re:Dear Users... (1, Insightful)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | about 9 months ago | (#45728437)

You apparently bought an off-brand. My "Galaxy Tab 2 7.0" (admittedly it's weird way they branded that thing) is several years old now, and Samsung pushed out a new and free Android update to it last week.

Next time buy Samsung.

Re:Dear Users... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 9 months ago | (#45728339)

No sane person would applaud a company for forcing all of its users to continually buy new hardware every year or risk being "left behind."

For the stockholder and investors, that's exactly what they'd applaud.

Certainly no user is going to like them for it though.

Re:Dear Users... (2)

Ravaldy (2621787) | about 9 months ago | (#45728557)

Wait a second!!! Are you guys telling me that a company should continue to support software on devices not sold for over 2 years? Why is it reasonable for a user to expect this? You don't get this anywhere from any product manufacturer. If you want continuous updates you have to pay for a subscription. That's how many software and hardware packages work.

At the end of the day there is a cost to providing up to date software on legacy devices. Unless you are willing to pay a subscription fee for a group of developer to continue moving the software forward, I don't see one company that will do this for free.

This is one of the reasons why many tech users rave about the Android phones. They can be modified to work and as long as there's a few goofs out there willing to make it work, you'll have updates. But again, that's specific to the geeks who can figure it out. Don't expect my mom or dad to do this even if they do own an android device.

Re:Dear Users... (2)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 9 months ago | (#45728389)

Maybe that's part of the resounding success of Apple. The fact that they sell quality hardware that will last more than a year, and that they support the hardware with software updates for more than a year probably has a lot to do with the reason people choose to pay for their products. They're still selling the iPad 2 as the lower end option, which means they'll probably support at least that device for the next 2 or 3 years, so anybody who bought it originally got quite a bit of lifetime out of it. And even though they put out a new model every year (which they should to ensure they don't fall behind the competition, and to justify keeping prices high), they still continue to support the old models.

Re:Dear Users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728523)

Like Android?

Re:Dear Users... (0)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 9 months ago | (#45728563)

It's quite telling how users being NUDGED to upgrade (as in, developers can also support iOS6, they just need to make sure it's optimized for iOS7) is more of a problem to you than Android devices which can never be upgraded by design.

Which is worse, an Apple world where you are invited to use newer version of the OS, or an Android world where you are compelled to buy brand new devices to gain access to new features?

Re:Dear Users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728101)

The ipad one has an older processor and is pretty short on ram. It'll be a real stretch to make iOS7 work on that device. It's the device that ignited the tablet craze and technology took off after it was created. It's in a situation much like the original iphone. It's still a good device with a huge battery, though.

The ipad2 is going strong. Fast dual core proc, lots of ram. It runs iOS7 wonderfully and will probably be supported for quite some time. They still sell the ipad2.

Re:Dear Users... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 9 months ago | (#45728277)

The ipad one has an older processor and is pretty short on ram.

Then, quite frankly, I would like the option of putting my iPad back to a previous version before the iOS 5x which was the last update they gave me.

Except, I can't, because resetting the tablet to factory defaults doesn't change the version of iOS on it.

They still sell the ipad2.

They may well, but they won't be selling any to me.

Re:Dear Users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728395)

They may well, but they won't be selling any to me.

Do you whine about buying an older version of everything?

Re:Dear Users... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 9 months ago | (#45728467)

Do you whine about buying an older version of everything?

I bought it brand new, shortly after it was released. It wasn't an older version of the product, it WAS the product.

I feel I'm entitled to be somewhat pissed off at them for having dropped support for it after two years, because I'm not aware of any other consumer product I'd purchase at launch at expect it to be obsolete and unsupported two years later. In fact, I wouldn't buy such a thing.

If that's how Apple is going to treat their customers, they may find some of us don't come back.

1st gen iPad is at iOS 5.1 ... (1)

perpenso (1613749) | about 9 months ago | (#45728387)

The ipad one has an older processor and is pretty short on ram. It'll be a real stretch to make iOS7 work on that device.

The 1st generation iPad and the 3rd generation iPod touch are stuck at iOS 5.1.

The 3rd generation iPhone and the 4th generation iPod touch are stuck at iOS 6.1.

The 4th generation iPhone, 5th generation iPad touch, 2nd generation iPad and newer devices are current and running iOS 7.

The short story is that iOS 5 required at least 256 MB and iOS 6 required at least 512 MB.

If some future version of iOS requires at least 1024 MB then the cutoff will be at 5th generation iPhone, 3rd generation iPad and 2nd generation iPad mini. No current iPod touch would make the cut.

Re:Dear Users... (1)

Dixie_Flatline (5077) | about 9 months ago | (#45728345)

I've had my iPhone 4 for 3 years. I'll keep it until next year, so that'll be 4 years. I'm sorry that the first gen iPad got the short end of the stick, but it's the exception, not the rule. Android devices work in the other direction--I don't know of any that have been supported with the latest updates for 4 years.

I think they've properly settled into their groove. If you get a new iPad Air, it'll have a 64-bit processor in it and be fairly future-proof. You'll almost certainly get 3 or 4 years out of that.

This is WAY less of an upgrade treadmill than I was on for PCs or even my Mac desktops a few years ago.

Re:Dear Users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45727967)

... and thus dies the next to last difference between Apple and Microsoft. Obviously, just like Microsoft, Apple knows better than their customers what is good for them.

The last difference between Apple and Microsoft? Right now, Apple is much more successful than Microsoft in new, emerging technologies. More actions like this by Apple will soon put an end to that!

Re:Dear Users... (1)

Cenan (1892902) | about 9 months ago | (#45728033)

Not to worry, they still have patents they can troll with for at least a couple of decades to come.

Re:Dear Users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728419)

More actions like this by Apple will soon put an end to that!

Yes, forcing developers to move forward has always been a horrible thing on a mobile product. Or not.

And always comes with a few stupid whiners.

Re:Dear Users... (1)

westlake (615356) | about 9 months ago | (#45728565)

Compliance is Exciting and Mandatory! Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Apple sells a high end --- mass market --- consumer product. Its customers have no interest in tinkering under the hood.

As tech advances, the enthusiast is eclipsed. We've seen this countless times before.

Bullying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45727839)

Apple is king of controlling support and development costs by using bullying and limiting strategies both for their customers and the developers.

I also noticed that Linux's market share has recently taken a major tumble down. I guess it's mostly dying outside of Android and some other appliances. We'll see where iOS stands next year.

ciao.

Re:Bullying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45727911)

I also noticed that Linux's market share has recently taken a major tumble down. I guess it's mostly dying outside of Android and some other appliances. We'll see where iOS stands next year.

I presume you're talking mobile/desktop. Linux is very much alive and well elsewhere, the mis-steps of Canonical and Red Hat have caused a great deal of disquiet in the last few years. I'm looking at you Unity and systemd!

Re:Bullying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728037)

"Linux's market share has recently taken a major tumble down", you noticed wrong, dude.

Like What? (2)

QBasicer (781745) | about 9 months ago | (#45727863)

'iOS 7 introduced a much more complex physical language while stripping out many of the visual cues that developers had relied on to instruct users.

Like what? I don't have an iOS device, so I'm not really sure what they're talking about.

Re:Like What? (3, Informative)

geek (5680) | about 9 months ago | (#45727957)

'iOS 7 introduced a much more complex physical language while stripping out many of the visual cues that developers had relied on to instruct users.

Like what? I don't have an iOS device, so I'm not really sure what they're talking about.

I'm not sure what "physical language" means in terms of a none physical medium such as software but if I had to venture a guess I would say they are talking about the new "flat" design where buttons and such are not raised but simply look like hyperlinks on web pages. On top of that the previous way you access spotlight is gone, no longer to the far left screen but brought down from the top view swiping in the middle of the screen, while swiping from the top down brings down notifications and swiping up from the bottom brings up some default apps like the calculator and music controls etc.

It's rather confusing to tell some to swipe down to access notifications, only for them to end up in spotlight because they didn't swipe down from far enough up on the screen. Plus there literally is no "visual cue" for any of this swiping. Most people don't even know this shit exists.

Re:Like What? (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 9 months ago | (#45728075)

Imagine all the gestures you'll want to give when told to re-engineer your apps. That's the "physical language".

Re:Like What? (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 9 months ago | (#45728203)

A lot of markings that differentiated buttons from textual content or pressable icons (buttons) from graphics.

Everyone I know dumped iStuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45727907)

Everyone I know dumped their iStuff on ebay and switched to Android after the ios7 debacle.

Re:Everyone I know dumped iStuff (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728239)

No one I know dumped their iStuff on ebay and switched to Android after the ios7 debacle.

See, my anacdote cancels out yours.

Re:Everyone I know dumped iStuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728417)

Yeah well my anecdote can beat up your anecdote, and my anecdote can spell anecdote.

Re:Everyone I know dumped iStuff (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 9 months ago | (#45728531)

Everyone I know dumped their iStuff on ebay and switched to Android after the ios7 debacle.

And people bought that iStuff, right?

Re:Everyone I know dumped iStuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728577)

some of us switched to windows phone... i couldn't be happier.

Typo in headline (1, Flamebait)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 9 months ago | (#45727933)

It's supposed to say "Apple pushes developers to Android"
By the way, it's around 6:1 now for android to apple phone counts.

Re:Typo in headline (3, Interesting)

Camembert (2891457) | about 9 months ago | (#45728119)

It's supposed to say "Apple pushes developers to Android" By the way, it's around 6:1 now for android to apple phone counts.

Yes, that could be since there are so many low end android devices worldwide.
However it seems that in the US (copied this from Macrumors):
According to data from research firm Kantar Worldpanel posted earlier this month, the iPhone's market share in the U.S. hit 52.8% in October following the launch of the iPhone 5s and the iPhone 5c. In the previous year, Apple's market share was at 53.3% following the launch of the iPhone 5, and was at 36% and 25% in the two years prior with the launch of the iPhone 4S and iPhone 4, respectively.
Over here in Hong Kong where I currently live I see more people with Android than with iphone but the ratio is rather 1.5 : 1. From my discussions with friends and colleagues, I think that a number of them may switch back once Apple offers a bigger phone (most people outside Slashdot still give the brand quite some goodwill).
Also in statistics once again it seems that the iphones are used more for internet activities than the bigger number of android phones - leading me to suspect that the cheaper android devices are first and foremost used as a pure phone with some games etc thrown in.

Re:Typo in headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728227)

I'm still sticking with WebOS, it's bound to make a comeback. And this [youtube.com]

Re:Typo in headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728451)

So ? I make 20:1 on the apple store vs google market.

Sometimes that Don't Work (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45727945)

Dear Apple,

Two days ago I bought my wife an iPad Air for Christmas. Yesterday I found a most excellent app that can handle transfer *and editing* of ODT back and forth between her main laptop and the iPad. When actually doing the document, it looks like a clunky version of OpenOffice ('cause that's what it is based on.) The interface is fugly on an iPad and in no way matches your interface specs. But my wife's comment, "This is FAMILIAR. Thank you for finding the solution for me to transfer and edit my stories."

Please think twice before you break anything that ain't broke yet.

Thank you.

I am still on iOS6 ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45727961)

... and I will not switch to that buttugly iOS7. To say it with other words: "This is also my last iPhone that I bought. I will switch to Android once this device breaks up or support entirely ends.".

I hate iOS7 from full heart. iOS7 is ugly, it's icons are ugly, it's visually a disaster, the new Apps that migrate that gay sidebars simply sucks, you can't read anything anymore, i am lost and irritated by it's design.

All the apps that quickly adopted the side bars (seems to be a trend) are worse. Most apps now require you to go to the side bar to chose a menu and then the nightmare starts. You then have buttons at the top (e.g. cancel, ok etc) or you have buttons at the bottom (e.g. cancel, ok etc). Some apps even have buttons top and bottom, depends on what dialog you chose from the side bar.

This is totally disgusting and retarded!

Re:I am still on iOS6 ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728019)

Wait...so iOS7 copied the Charms bar from Windows. That truly is rich.

Re: I am still on iOS6 ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728433)

Wow ableist, homophobic and wrong all in the same post. Win a slow hand clap!

grr (3, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | about 9 months ago | (#45728001)

Fuck Apple. I bit the bullet on smartphones with a 4S. I was very pleased with it. The new OS is about as appetizing as being smacked about the face with a rotting donkey dick. It's slow, clunky, and changes everything for the sake of change. It's terrible.

"So if you don't like it, don't buy it," says the fanboi.

Hey, I bought what I did like! Apple's changing it on me. If I like a brand of shoes there's always the chance they'll change the line when I need a new pair. Thems the breaks in life. But not even Nike is going to go to my house and fuck up a pair I already own. Apple will. I'm not updating this phone, period. If none of the new apps will work with it, I'm done buying apps.

Sadly, I don't like Android much either. Windows Mobile can choke on my fuck. IOS5 was the last really good mobile OS. If there's ever another good one, I don't think it's coming from Apple.

Re:grr (1)

DogDude (805747) | about 9 months ago | (#45728109)

You are mistaken. Windows Phone 8 is pretty good.

Re:grr (1)

psyque (1234612) | about 9 months ago | (#45728135)

As long as you're not into the whole "App" thing.

Re:grr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728301)

You are mistaken. Windows Phone 8 is pretty good.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha, My God that's a good one! I just snorted coffee all over my keyboard. Now I'm going to have to spend the rest of the afternoon cleaning sticky keys.

Oh wait, were you being serious?

Re:grr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728149)

Maybe sailfish then? Maybe when your phone gets busted, those little annoyances, that every phone manufacturer has had(so don't judge it yet), have been polished by then. I'm certainly interested in it, byt my phone is still working, so i'm not going to buy one yet.

Re:grr (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728241)

If you turn the motion off in iOS7 it is no slower than iOS6, and battery life has improved on my 4S.

http://tweaks.com/apple/65851/turn-off-ios-7-parallax-motion-backgrounds/

Re:grr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728243)

webos was good while it lasted.

Re:grr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728453)

Funny, my wife has a 4S and iOS7 is spiffy enough on it.
Even my ol' iPhone 4 runs it quite decently (I don't regret iOS6, some transitions might be slower, but there are less freeze IMO..)

Re:grr (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 9 months ago | (#45728463)

It's slow, clunky, and changes everything for the sake of change. It's terrible.

FWIW the latest OS update made it a lot faster.

Still ugly IMO, but that's a matter of my (and apparently your) opinion.

64 bit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728039)

And to test 64 bit you will need a 64 bit device. lol.

no iOS 5 love (5, Interesting)

psyque (1234612) | about 9 months ago | (#45728085)

I hate how this is breaking support for iOS 5.1.1 only devices like the iPad 1. My mother-in-law is not technically inclined, but uses an iPad1 for banking and watching TV shows. Both apps have broken support for iOS5 in favor of iOS7. This makes a device she paid good money for only a couple years ago a paperweight. My Motorola Xoom I bought at roughly the same time is going strong and running a very current version of Android. This kind of thing is just a normal function of technology every 4-5 years+, but not 2 or less. Unfortunately for Apple her next device will be an Android. Cheaper and obsolescence proof for much longer.

Re:no iOS 5 love (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 9 months ago | (#45728153)

That about mirrors my experience.

Which is why I now have a Nexus 7, because I know Google will try to release for that as long as possible, and it would cost FAR less to replace than the iPad 1 I had which got abandoned by them.

But if Apple thinks I'd spend the money on another iPad, they're sorely mistaken.

Re:no iOS 5 love (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 9 months ago | (#45728217)

iPad 1 is April 2010. How is that 2 years or less?

Re:no iOS 5 love (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728585)

iPad 2 came out March 2011. Not a stretch to assume not everyone bought their iPad 1 on the first day it launched. It was well supported all the way up to iOS 5.1.1 in May 2012.

Re:no iOS 5 love (1)

alen (225700) | about 9 months ago | (#45728235)

your mom can still use those apps at their current versions and if she resets her ipad she can still download the older versions of those apps

what's the problem? new features need the new API's in the newer version of the OS

Re:no iOS 5 love (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 9 months ago | (#45728457)

No, actually... they don't necessarily need new API's at all, except to the extent that Apple might enforce the requirement that a new API be utilized to run on the more modern OS, while not necessarily offering any additional functionality that the end user might notice in an application.

Re:no iOS 5 love (1)

ruir (2709173) | about 9 months ago | (#45728245)

Broken support? As far as I know the App Store nowadays offers you to download the last version supported that works for your device. I have still an iPad from two generations ago that is working like a charm, will see for how long. Quite happy with it, and I really hate android so much I bought an iPhone and gave up my working android phone.

Re:no iOS 5 love (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728479)

Cheaper and obsolescence proof for much longer.
 
Yeah, that's why I couldn't get Netflix on a Motorola device that was still for sale, the same cost of the iPhone at the time and less than two years old? Riiight....
 
I'll never go back to Android.

Original iPad for sale 64Gb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728129)

Like new, runs outdated OS and cant run any new apps.. Only 2 years old. I guess I can use it for pr0n

Re:Original iPad for sale 64Gb (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 9 months ago | (#45728333)

Can you really? Isn't porn usually highly dependant on flash?

What is the story? (4, Insightful)

Princeofcups (150855) | about 9 months ago | (#45728291)

Normal development cycle. What is the story here? That iOS 7 is successful?

slapping devs in the face (3, Informative)

craftycoder (1851452) | about 9 months ago | (#45728365)

I've been a programmer for decades and I write my share of mobile apps. I write in many languages and for many platforms so I'm not married to any particular target system. I am in the middle of a project and have some beta testers running an iOS app with OTA updates using a OTA provisioning profile which is a fancy way of saying users can update apps over the air without needing to use the app store. My provision profile, a digital signature like thing, expired in November and the users needed a new version of the app to keep testing. I opened up my MacBook and it informed me that XCode 5 was available and "would I like to update it?" Sure, why not? Well, I can tell you why not. XCode 5 made software written in previous version not work! Significant rewrites needed to be done in order to do any changes and there was no option to compile for previous version. In short, an errant software update created two weeks work. Nowhere in there notice to update did it say clicking YES will cost you $10,000. This is screwed up! Backward compatibility should be available for development. If they want to no longer accept iOS6 apps into the store, that is fine. I should be able to compile old code without error by selecting the correct target device. This sort of thing actually makes their previous devices worthless because if they cannot run iOS7 then no new software can be written for them again. It is a such a waste. I am pissed at these guys.

I am able to take a previous compiled binary and sign it with a new profile so that the users are still able to work, but now even the most minor change requires a rewrite. These guys seem to forget who made them rich. It was devs making awesome software which made people buy their products in huge numbers. iTunes integration will only sell so many phones.

Re:slapping devs in the face (1)

berj (754323) | about 9 months ago | (#45728537)

If you are running Lion or earlier you can download old versions of XCode here:

https://developer.apple.com/downloads/index.action?name=Xcode [apple.com]

If you've upgraded to Mavericks you're going to have to run Lion in a VPN or compile on an older machine.

Re:slapping devs in the face (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728541)

"... and there was no option to compile for previous version."

Clearly you don't seem to realize that you can target older OS versions as a "Deployment Target". You compile with newest SDK, ensuring you're not using previously deprecated and now non-existent API calls that would cause the app to crash on newer devices. This way, you get the UX and optimizations of the new OS without sacrificing functionality on older OSs. The provisioning profile stuff was never designed for you to distribute your apps in an ad-hoc manner (something that's more than likely a TOS violation anyway).

Re:slapping devs in the face (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45728579)

Oh, go develop for Android and stop your crying.
 
And don't let the door hit you on your way out!

But some programs don't even use Xcode at all... (1)

gbrandt (113294) | about 9 months ago | (#45728421)

So what about app developers that do not use Xcode 5? What if they use Mono or Embarcadero's Delphi or C++? Is this there way of killing of developer system competitors?

Ok (1)

The Cat (19816) | about 9 months ago | (#45728509)

Another five million man-years of labor gets thrown overboard and the Apple developers start again.

No wonder programmers prefer Linux. (And no wonder all apps suck) At least there they can write programs that do something useful instead of untangling a new, buggy graphics API every 18 months.

Writing code for proprietary platforms is like being a structural engineer in a world where the laws of physics and geometry change on a regular basis. It makes no economic sense to build anything larger than a grass hut.

Follow the Money:Its all about forcing upgrades (1)

Lil'wombat (233322) | about 9 months ago | (#45728513)

If developers are forced to update their apps, then owners of old iPad, Pod, and Phones will be forced to upgrade as well. My Ipads have been left at ios5 with no upgrade path available. Eventually, I will no longer be able to buy apps in the app store.

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