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Apple Forges Agreement With China Mobile

timothy posted about 4 months ago | from the but-gold-is-the-only-color-offered dept.

Communications 79

Forbes is one of several news sources reporting that Apple and China Mobile have agreed on a plan that will bring the option of iPhones to tens of millions of customers of the Chinese carrier. A separate article contains something that may be at least as interesting as the deal itself, and that's some speculation on what sort of network China Mobile will be using for all those iDevices.

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Apple in China (1)

rjr3 (658693) | about 4 months ago | (#45765989)

When VW started making cars in the US the price dropped.
Wonder how that will work for prices in China ?

Re:Apple in China (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766077)

Please explain how Apple can move iPhone production to China.

Re:Apple in China (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45769775)

With trucks from VW?

Re:Apple in China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45767471)

Having just bought a VW, I can tell you... They're built in Mexico.

Re:Apple in China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45767583)

Depends on the model. My VW was produced in Wolfsburg, Germany.

public/supplicants to witness all interrogations (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766031)

keep it on the up & up. for the good in all of us. interrogate as though mom & the kids are watching from home...

Important Bits in TFA (1)

retroworks (652802) | about 4 months ago | (#45766049)

Apple currently has 15% market share in the world's largest, and fastest growing, cell phone market. Talk amongst yourselves, discuss.

More like 1% (2, Interesting)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45766139)

Apple currently has 15% market share in the world's largest, and fastest growing, cell phone market. Talk amongst yourselves, discuss.

Except those figures are laughable. Other measures claim 1%...the ones that include the whole of china not just one or two inner city stores. Worldwide Apple marketshare has been flat at 5%-7%

Re:More like 1% (3, Informative)

jon3k (691256) | about 4 months ago | (#45766271)

And their percentage of mobile revenue and profits? Apple always sold a premium product, I don't think they have any desire to lead in marketshare.

Re:More like 1% (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766453)

Wonder what will unfold as the US telco's start to reject the highly subsidized phones?

Re:More like 1% (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 4 months ago | (#45766513)

In the last 18 mo USA telcos have boosted their standard subsidies and restructured their pricing to support it. It doesn't look like they intend to move away from a high subsidy model.

Re:More like 1% (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45767021)

That is the problem, they encouraged customers to adopt to smartphone and over 18 months have been subsidizing a lot.

Now they want to back out of the very behavior they encouraged

Take a read:

AT&T chief: We can't keep doing big subsidies on phones

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57615114-94/at-t-chief-we-cant-keep-doing-big-subsidies-on-phones/

Re:More like 1% (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 4 months ago | (#45767239)

Institutionally AT&T increased the spread between their subsidy and non-subsidy plans so that they can do subsidies. They fixed the problem but in the other direction.

Re:More like 1% (1)

puto (533470) | about 4 months ago | (#45767291)

Not really. Let me clue you on two major Telecoms who have done the exact opposite. Tmobile you have have to now pay full price for the phones, they just spread it over two years by dividing the full retail price of the phone by 24 months and then adding that number to your monthly statement until the phone is paid off. So no subsidy. AT&T copied that model with the NEXT program. Both companies only allow this if you credit qualify for the programs. Otherwise with T-Mobile you have to at least pay 30-40% of the phone retail cost upfront and then still pay a monthly note. AT&T if you do not qualify for it you do get the regular subsidy route but the upfront costs are higher. Both companies offer cheaper monthly rates if you bring your own equipment.

Re:More like 1% (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 4 months ago | (#45820879)

T-Mobile I'd agree has gone the other direction. But remember they merged with MetroPCS they are becoming a high end MVNO / Prepay vendor.

AT&T and Verizon haven't. Rather what they've done is introduced a situation where you:

a) buy the phone
b) pay a year's subsidy
then trade in the phone after 1 year or 8 mo early rather than paying off the remaining year.

That's far more expensive. You are basically giving them more than the surrender cost. That's not a no subsidy model that's just a crazy good deal for suckers who don't realize how much their phones are really worth.

Simply (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45766455)

And their percentage of mobile revenue and profits?

Plummeting.

Re:Simply (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766595)

Plummeting.

I'm not so sure that word means what you think it means.

Re:Simply (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45767399)

LOL.

Don't worry, tuppe666 is such a dickhead.
I can only hope he's getting paid for his trolling; it'd be a shame to think he's wasting his life for nothing : )

English (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45767757)

Plummeting.

I'm not so sure that word means what you think it means.

I mean the percentage of mobile revenue and profits is shrinking at a rapid rate, even when considering just *manufacturing* if we include software sales too. The figures are even worse.

Re:English (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45769035)

Ha - bullshit as usual.

Re:English (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 4 months ago | (#45769559)

I mean the percentage of mobile revenue and profits is shrinking at a rapid rate

Another stat which you do not have. You can't just wish statistical claims out of the air. You won't get a pony for christmas either, no matter how hard you wish.

Re:More like 1% (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 4 months ago | (#45769541)

Worldwide Apple marketshare has been flat at 5%-7%

Apple's worldwide market share of what? Phones, mobile phones, smartphones, mobile devices, PCs, jelly beans? With neither a market specified, nor a source of your percentage, your claim is worthless.

Peak Apple 2012 (5, Interesting)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45766065)

Apple desperately needs to stay relevant with its continues to drop behind in market share worldwide, and is soon to retain relevant only in the relatively small market of the US (UK and Japan maybe) where the high subscription masks the overpriced midrange iPhone. China Mobile does not have high subscription rates

The reality is though is that that this deal is unlikely make much impact (it will result in new sales). The iPhone is already available in China it is about 1% of the market (The claims of 20% apply to measures in a few stores in cites and rightly have been laughed away)

Apple needs to drop its(compete on) price to remain relevant in a worldwide market. Putting last years phone in cheap plasic only helps their bottom line.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 4 months ago | (#45766149)

Apple desperately needs to stay relevant with its continues to drop behind in market share worldwide, and is soon to retain relevant only in the relatively small market of the US (UK and Japan maybe) where the high subscription masks the overpriced midrange iPhone. China Mobile does not have high subscription rates

Apple's share of the phone market has grown year after year after year without fail. There is a sub-market called smartphones, that's different.

Apple Following Nokia (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45766219)

Apple's share of the phone market has grown year after year after year without fail. There is a sub-market called smartphones, that's different.

I find it somewhat Ironic that when Nokia occupied the position of owning the Phone market. Apple shareholders *cough* would focus on their presence in smartphone market. It is a telling that shareholders now quote the Phone market...with their plummeting market share in smartphones. The phone market (if you are splitting hairs) is *replacing* the Phone market and smartphones are already overtaken phones this year.

In context of this article...are those in rural china who are still on feature phone going to buy a lightly subsidised iPhone even a $100 cheaper last years model in plastic. I would strongly suggest not.

Re:Apple Following Nokia (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 4 months ago | (#45769623)

Apple shareholders *cough* would focus on their presence in smartphone market. It is a telling that shareholders now quote the Phone market...with their plummeting market share in smartphones.

When Steve Jobs launched the iPhone his target was to get 1% of the phone market. Not the smartphone market. From people other than Jobs and Apple there has been discussion of all various definitions of market share> Generally with a definition of which market share is being talked about. Though not with you. You don't specify, because usually when you make a claim, you invented it on the spot.

Re:Apple Following Nokia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45814919)

Apple's share of the phone market has grown year after year after year without fail. There is a sub-market called smartphones, that's different.

I find it somewhat Ironic that when Nokia occupied the position of owning the Phone market.

Apple never had the marketshare of Nokia, while Android has - so according to you Android is doooooomed.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (4, Interesting)

fullback (968784) | about 4 months ago | (#45766173)

I live in Japan and it seems like everyone I see has an iPhone.

I just got back from a business trip to Beijing and it seemed like everyone had an iPhone.

But hey, what would I know?

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (2)

jon3k (691256) | about 4 months ago | (#45766289)

This is Slashdot where Apple is evil and only market share (and not revenue or profits) matter. Welcome and enjoy your stay!

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766445)

This is Slashdot where Apple is evil and only the ever increasing market share of Samsung is of interest to anyone.

There fixed it for you.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45767325)

No, only idiots buy Samsung's 'market share' numbers.
If you count shipped phones and spend billions giving away feature phones dressed up as smart phones then you too can be in Samsung's position.
The UK sounds much the same as Japan and Beijing; people using smart phones are everywhere and most of those are iPhones.
It seems that if people can afford it and have the choice then they'll get an iPhone.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (1)

c++0xFF (1758032) | about 4 months ago | (#45769677)

Becuase revenue and profits should somehow matter on Slashdot. We're mostly techies here, not investors. Market share is a much better metric for things we're interested in.

When I see a company charging significantly more for a marginally better product, I think "price gouging" and "profiteering" not "exceptional company." but maybe that's just me.

Besides, even investors are worried that the ever-decreasing market share is eventually going to catch up to the high-margin pricing model eventually. Maybe that's in the next couple years (a common view, it seems), but I think it'll be a while yet.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (2)

jon3k (691256) | about 4 months ago | (#45769801)

There are people that appreciate a premium product and are willing to pay more, and those that aren't. It's why Toyota and BMW are both successful companies. It's also why I call BMW an "exceptional company" even though their products are significantly more expensive. I certainly appreciate your position and it's one shared by a lot of people. I don't think that makes either of us wrong, it's just a difference of opinion. But it's also why I'm less concerned over market share and who makes a genuinely better product, which for me, currently, is an iPhone 5S. And before you get your pitchfork out, I was a Galaxy Nexus user before this and I thought it was a really good phone.

But I have to disagree with your use of the phrase "price gouge" when referring to smartphones -- there are plenty of alternatives out there. Maybe I just use too narrow of a definition of the term but I typically reserve the phrase for some kind of necessary or somewhat necessary commodities that someone has the only supply of for sale.

Remember that even though Apple's PERCENTAGE of the overall smartphone marketshare is decreasing, their TOTAL marketshare is INCREASING, just not as fast as the total market size, mostly because the market is increasing into areas that are far more price conscious (read: China). But, Apple just signed this deal with China mobile so I'll be very interested to see what happens. This is the huge growth market for Android that has allowed it to rapidly outpace Apple's growth with incredibly cheap, low end Android "smartphones".

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766483)

I live in Japan and it seems like everyone I see has an iPhone.

I just got back from a business trip to Beijing and it seemed like everyone had an iPhone.

But hey, what would I know?

I just came back from a conference in Beijing, and everyone and their dog had an Android phone. I did see a few iPhones, but they were a tiny minority.

I guess we both see what we want. Don't underestimate the power of personal bias.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (2)

YabooYig (681643) | about 4 months ago | (#45766611)

When I last visited China, the vast majority of people had Samsung phones.

I saw a particular preference for large screen devices.

IMO it will be difficult to get the Chinese to pay the price of a Galaxy Note for a device with a 4 inch screen.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45768047)

Personally, I like phones that fit in my pocket. However, I do think apple should release a big screen iPhone for woman's purses.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (1)

jjp9999 (2180664) | about 4 months ago | (#45768647)

I had a friend who worked at the Apple Store in NYC. He said they used to get huge lines of Chinese people every day when they opened who would buy as many iPhones as they'd be willing to sell. Apparently they were jailbreaking the phones and reselling them for huge markups in China. Not sure if this is still going on, but from what he was telling me there's huge demand for iPhones in China.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | about 4 months ago | (#45769737)

Apple has 40% market share in smartphones in the US, but it looks a lot higher when you're just walking around (especially in a big city). I'd assume that's because iPhone users are more likely to be using their phone at any given time.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | about 4 months ago | (#45769773)

It's because iPhone's are very visually consistent, so it's easy to quickly spot them. Other phones are much more mixed so they don't tend to stick in your mind so much.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (1)

jovius (974690) | about 4 months ago | (#45766175)

Not necessarily. Apple is the profit leader of the whole industry.The market grows faster than Apple can deliver, but money flows in regardless.

Profits vs Market Share (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45766447)

Not necessarily. Apple is the profit leader of the whole industry.The market grows faster than Apple can deliver, but money flows in regardless.

As a consumer the fact that Apple demands higher mark-ups(but shrinking) from carriers to maintain those massive (but shrinking) good for you?

Re:Profits vs Market Share (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766529)

This is one of my favorite comments from apple fans Pro apple people. They claim that Apple is fine since it has the highest profits. Not sure they ever connect the fact that the consumers pay for those huge margins.

Wonder what will happen when people want a lower cost product and Apple refuses to lower its margins?

China also has a lot of really good quality phones which are only available in its domestic market. In some regard by not having a large land based telco system they were forced to adopt to cell phones early.

Re: Profits vs Market Share (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 4 months ago | (#45767071)

This is one of my favorite comments from apple fans Pro apple people. They claim that Apple is fine since it has the highest profits. Not sure they ever connect the fact that the consumers pay for those huge margins.

In the US, most consumers don't pay more for the iPhone than an equivalent Android. The carrier has to pay a higher subsidy to Apple. It may be argued that it causes all prices to go up across the board but not just Apple users.

Re: Profits vs Market Share (1)

puto (533470) | about 4 months ago | (#45767339)

Untrue. You can get a Galaxy S4, and HTC One for .99c for free, or a Nokia 920 compared to the the 5s that runs between $125 and $199. You can get an S3 free whereas the the 5c runs between $25 and & $99. /i work for a major Telecom and I have to keep track of pricing of who is selling what, for how much, and where.

Re: Profits vs Market Share (2, Informative)

Karlt1 (231423) | about 4 months ago | (#45767495)

Untrue. You can get a Galaxy S4, and HTC One for .99c for free, or a Nokia 920 compared to the the 5s that runs between $125 and $199. You can get an S3 free whereas the the 5c runs between $25 and & $99. /i work for a major Telecom and I have to keep track of pricing of who is selling what, for how much, and where.

Neither the s4 or the HTC One have the performance levels of the 5s.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/5

Their performance comes nowhere near the iPhone 5s.

And are you really saying that a $25 difference between the s3 and the (faster) 5c is consequential - especially considering the 2 year contract?

Re: Profits vs Market Share (1)

rcoxdav (648172) | about 4 months ago | (#45771787)

There is no denying that the 5s is really fast. However, in everyday use, does it need to be?

I just got a Galaxy S4 ($50 on Amazon) and I have had zero lag in anything I have tried. Is the 5s faster, yes, is it noticeable in everyday use, not really. Just like with everyday use of desktops, the AMD A10 series is plenty fast for general desktop use, even though in benchmarks a Core i5 smokes it. However, unless you are running something very demanding, which most people don't, they won't see a difference.

Also, I like being able to have a spare battery and put in an SD card to add memory without Apple charging insane upgrade prices.

Re: Profits vs Market Share (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45815009)

There is no denying that the 5s is really fast. However, in everyday use, does it need to be?

Yeah, you are right. The iPhone 4 is plenty fast for everyday use. The Galaxy S4 not so much.

Re:Profits vs Market Share (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45767349)

Oh goody, it's tuppe666 :). No pointless discussion would be complete without you.

Re:Profits vs Market Share (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45814987)

Not necessarily. Apple is the profit leader of the whole industry.The market grows faster than Apple can deliver, but money flows in regardless.

As a consumer the fact that Apple demands higher mark-ups(but shrinking) from carriers to maintain those massive (but shrinking) good for you?

As a fanboy the fact that anyone but Samsung is selling less phones than Apple and loses money at the same time is good for you?

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (3, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about 4 months ago | (#45766211)

They don't need to fight an attrition battle for market share - they just need to keep enough high-end users so that their platform remains the preferred launch point for developers. They don't need the most users - they need the most users who actually purchase apps.

So long as they can keep that position, they have no incentive to drop margins.

iPhoe loses developers (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45766427)

They don't need to fight an attrition battle for market share - they just need to keep enough high-end users so that their platform remains the preferred launch point for developers.

Except Android already had more Applications than Apple so it cannot be true, and this divide is set to grow, In China for example...who is going to produce local applications for 1% of the population. This is simply another example why Apple needed to maintain market share.

Re:iPhoe loses developers (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about 4 months ago | (#45766985)

There may very well be "more" Applications, but I've yet to see the big money launch "Android First". I've seen numerous analysis papers which conclude that most money in the Android ecosystem is made on free apps through advertising.

My bias is as an Android user but Apple stockholder.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (0)

Swampash (1131503) | about 4 months ago | (#45766313)

Apple desperately needs to stay relevant with its continues to drop behind in market share worldwide

On the contrary, Apple has nearly 100% market share in one specific market - people who have money and who are happy to spend it. Of course Android totally dominates Apple in the "poor freeloading pirate" market, which I'm sure has Apple very very worried.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766471)

On the contrary, Apple has nearly 100% market share in one specific market - people who have money and who are happy to spend it.

They'll soon be deserting in droves. If a billion yellow bastards have something, it's no longer hip.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45768447)

They don't buy it because it's hip. They buy it because the quality of the product and its performance are head and shoulders above the cheap Samsung copies.
Much the same as Mercedes, BMW, and Audi still sell cars despite the Asian and American copies. There are some people who can recognize value still spending money, and that's Apple's market. It's also why Apple makes money and the others don't; Apple is not in the cheap copy business.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766441)

Hey its Slashdot's biggest Google fanboy and Apple hater Tuppe666. I really hope you get paid well for all the drivel you spout here, it obviously requires some effort.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766523)

You have funny notion of "midrange." And as for this not making an impact, yes, the phone is already in China, just like it was already in Japan. But when the largest carrier began selling it, sales soared.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (3, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | about 4 months ago | (#45767523)

Apple desperately needs to stay relevant with its continues to drop behind in market share worldwide...

Apple continues to grow their sales and Apple continues to pull in more profit than any other manufacturer (and only one other manufacturer is even close - all others are MILES AND MILES behind). Despite their market share being watered down due to cheap, inferior, "smartphones" that are really just feature phones running Android. I mean, really, for anyone using a top end smartphone, would you ever use, as your regular phone, one of the cheap options that are out there watering down the market share numbers? Do you seriously even vaguely put them in the same category as an iPhone or Galaxy S4 or HTC One?

I don't think Apple really cares about losing the bottom end of the market to subpar phones and I find it immensely amusing that people still think their loss of market share despite increasing sales is of any concern to them. If you think Apple cares about losing to a market in which they aren't even competing, then you're not paying attention.

Or, to put it in a car analogy so people understand, do you think that BMW and Audi care about $15k and less cars being sold? Protip: No. No they do not.

Re: Peak Apple 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45768637)

You seem to not understand that as markets grow they commodify. All the other vendors have a full product range. Apple has their one product and last years model in cheap plastic. Apple is NOT a Rolls Royce. At best they are a Buick in a market full of Chevys. They won't sustain a two digit market share in the growing global market by selling Buicks to the gentry.

Re: Peak Apple 2012 (1)

shilly (142940) | about 4 months ago | (#45769287)

You seem not to understand that mature markets are capable of sustaining relatively high-value premium products. Not Rolls-Royce or Ferrari or Zondas: BMW, Mercedes. There are plenty of those sold. Lots of car aficionados will tell you that most Beemers and Mercs are poor value and only idiots buy them. Well, there's enough idiots to sustain plenty of profits (and most of those idiots would snort with derision at people who tell them they've bought "the wrong car", just as iPhone users will do to AndroidBores who tell them they've bought the wrong phone).

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (1)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | about 4 months ago | (#45783951)

"smartphones" that are really just feature phones running Android

Wow! You're a fuckwit. Even the cheapest shittest android phone is still a smartphone. I'd love to hear your definition of a smartphone that covers the first gen iphone, but doesn't include current low end androids.

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 4 months ago | (#45769587)

Apple needs to drop its(compete on) price to remain relevant in a worldwide market.

Apple is one of only 2 manufacturers making a profit from smartphones. The other being Samsung. And Apple's profits are much larger than Samsung's. So why on earth would Apple need to do anything to compete with companies that are doing far worse than they are?

Re:Peak Apple 2012 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45770435)

>> Apple needs to drop its(compete on) price to remain relevant in a worldwide market

Only on slashdot would this drivel be voted up. So in your opinion apple should stop the strategy of selling premium priced products which has earned it massive profits and instead join everyone else in a race to the bottom. Let me guess, BMW should also quit charging so much and start competing on price with Kia.

Good on you, Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766103)

There's clearly a demand there four most excellent products. I applaud you for working out an agreement for presence in this lucrative market! Steve Jobs would be proud!

What excellent product? iPhone? HAHAHAHA (1)

RavenManiac (220921) | about 4 months ago | (#45770629)

iPhone is only "excellent" because Apple ads say it is. Most owners have never tried other smart phones to compare.

Free Pussy! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766157)

Free Pussy Putin alright. Pussy Riot? Who the fuck is pusy riot?

sabotage the phones at china's request (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766249)

Wonder if Apple will add any backdoors / side attacks at the reqiest of China...

From a Chinese (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766531)

I live in China in a medium city in the north. There is already many iPhone in China, among people in upper and middle class cities. Really rural poor city people doesn't have iPhone but most people in smaller cities (maybe 30%). So other than rural west Apple is popular here. And if you ask to anyone what phone do you want most say iPhone 5s.

Forbes is one of several news sources... (1)

sribe (304414) | about 4 months ago | (#45766831)

Well that's nice and all, but considering the recent history of reports that subsequently did not happen, it would certainly have been good to mention that Apple issued a press release announcing this yesterday.

Seems fitting, seeing as... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45766907)

China has been forging Apple products for years! /bow ... I'll show myself out...

NOOO... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45768161)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ

"iPhone" sold cheap on Shenzhen web sites (1)

RavenManiac (220921) | about 4 months ago | (#45770601)

No need for Apple to make deals with China Mobile. Found "[i]Phone" for $35 on Chinese web site--and it has a removable battery and dual SIM slots.

Chinese ain't gonna buy Apple branded stuff when the above phone sez on the back, "Designed by Phone in California..."

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