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PC Makers Plan Rebellion Against Microsoft At CES

Soulskill posted about 4 months ago | from the trouble-in-the-colonies dept.

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Velcroman1 writes "Fearing rapidly plummeting sales of traditional laptops and desktop computers — which fell by another 10 percent or so in 2013 — manufacturers are planning a revolt against Microsoft and the Windows operating system, analysts say. At the 2014 CES in Las Vegas, multiple computer makers will unveil systems that simultaneously run two different operating systems, both Windows and the Android OS that powers many of the world's tablets and smartphones, two different analysts said recently. The new devices will be called 'PC Plus' machines, explained analyst Tim Bajarin. 'A PC Plus machine will run Windows 8.1 but will also run Android apps as well,' Bajarin wrote. Another analyst put the threat to Windows bluntly: 'This should scare the heck out of Microsoft.'"

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Ugh (5, Interesting)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 4 months ago | (#45800797)

Who the fuck wants this? Sure, Windows sucks but why would cramming a shitty OEM version of Android make things better?

Re:Ugh (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800817)

Probably won't be able to disable SecureBoot. That's what makes it better!

Re:Ugh (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800827)

Who the fuck wants this? Sure, Windows sucks but why would cramming a shitty OEM version of Android make things better?

Because choice.

Re:Ugh (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800845)

Who the fuck wants this?

Google, I'm guessing. It's the next step after Chromebooks, I'd bet the one after this will be pure Android desktops.

Any movement away from Microsoft is good. (5, Interesting)

mosb1000 (710161) | about 4 months ago | (#45800855)

Windows sucks but why would cramming a shitty OEM version of Android make things better?

Any movement away from a Microsoft dominated software market is probably a step in the right direction. As for the question of whether anyone will use these features, I will withhold judgment until I can actually see them.

Re:Any movement away from Microsoft is good. (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 4 months ago | (#45801015)

Windows sucks but why would cramming a shitty OEM version of Android make things better?

Any movement away from a Microsoft dominated software market is probably a step in the right direction.

Sure, but that's not what's happening; RTFS:

unveil systems that simultaneously run two different operating systems, both Windows and the Android OS

Re:Any movement away from Microsoft is good. (5, Interesting)

lgw (121541) | about 4 months ago | (#45801233)

That's just it. Mobile devices have already sent the message loud and clear. A PC that still pays the Windows tax? Not so scary.

I find Android even more annoying than Metro on a real KVM setup - I can't imagine using it unless some app I really needed was Android-only (and I've yet to find an app I cared that much about). Android just isn't a viable threat on a desktop.

Mobile computing is an entirely different landscape, of course, and clearly it finally hit home with MS that they weren't winning there with their past strategy, as their big reorg seems focused on fixing that - for sure it will at least change it.

You know, I like C# and Visual Studio - if I could easily write code that would run across not just all the Windows platforms, but Android and IOS too - and with a UI that looks native on each platform, like QT does - that would be a wonderful thing.

Come to think of it, I wonder whether there a nice C#/QT interface yet that works well in Mono - anyone know? Or have another good cross-platform UI approach using Mono? Xamarin seems proud of what they have - anyone know?

Re:Any movement away from Microsoft is good. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801303)

Doesn't work. Microsoft doesn't allow the full support in Mono... Little things would work, but the more extensive support just isn't there.

And it is under constant thread from Microsoft for lawsuits.

Re:Any movement away from Microsoft is good. (5, Interesting)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about 4 months ago | (#45801067)

It isn't necessarily better. For example, you have a lot of system level software under Windows that you can't even sell for iOS and on Chromebooks. And on Android, your users need root before using them, which very few people have. Not to mention the 30% cut of all revenue on both the big mobile stores. In people's rush to hate MS, everyone's promoting even more restrictive software and data being stored in the cloud which users have no control over.

Linus says it best: Microsoft hatred is a disease
http://www.osnews.com/story/21887/Linus_Microsoft_Hatred_is_a_Disease [osnews.com]

I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease. I believe in open development, and that very much involves not just making the source open, but also not shutting other people and companies out.

  There are 'extremists' in the free software world, but that's one major reason why I don't call what I do 'free software' any more. I don't want to be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred."

Re:Ugh (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800869)

To top it off, it's nothing new. Systems like this were released and failed miserably a few years ago. It's a stupid "feature", nobody used it.

I'm sure this really has Microsoft quaking in their booties. /sarcasm

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800943)

A few years ago was a different time and place. Things change.

Re:Ugh (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801023)

You're right, there's even less need for this feature now, since Windows 8 boots from cold faster than Vista and 7 and SSDs are much more affordable.

The initial push behind this idea was as a workaround to slow boot times in case you just needed to hop on and check your email, browse the web, etc. It's an idea whose time has come and gone, it won't gain any more traction the second time around.

Re:Ugh (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 4 months ago | (#45801111)

> You're right, there's even less need for this feature now, since Windows 8 boots from cold faster than Vista and 7 and SSDs are much more affordable.

Um, what does that have to do with anything? Do you understand the article?

Re:Ugh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801197)

Go fuck yourself you worthless, disgusting faggot, I'm amazed you could pull yourself away from CmdrTaco's smegma-covered cock long enough to post.

Why? Developer Developers Developers. And Games. (5, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 4 months ago | (#45800917)

Sure, Windows sucks but why would cramming a shitty OEM version of Android make things better?

Because there are a LOT of Android developers now, who would be very tempted to write for this...

But also from the user side, presumably you could play Android games, buying them at Android prices instead of Windows prices (or playing them for free, the dark unfortunate secret of Android).

Re:Why? Developer Developers Developers. And Games (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800985)

Android would make for a decent lightweight platform, but one of the big advantages of the desktop are workflows. Pop a screenshot of one program, switch to Word to paste it, grab some results from Excel, fetch a picture from DropBox, crop it in Photoshop, then make a PDF and attach it, as well as another picture to an E-mail. This is doable on iOS and Android, but the workflow switching is a lot harder than on a multitasking, multi-window OS like Windows, OS X, Linux, AIX, *BSD, etc.

What would be interesting is a computer that can function similar to the Motorola Atrix -- have different CPUs and operating systems that function at the same time. This way, I could use the Android side for Web browsing (since it is a lot harder to compromise a Web browser running under ARM in its own space and running with few to no extensions), then flip to the Windows side for gaming or some attempts at actual work.

Posting AC -- I fear SuperKendall's replies.

Re:Why? Developer Developers Developers. And Games (1)

UneducatedSixpack (2829861) | about 4 months ago | (#45801021)

also from the user side, presumably you could play Android games, buying them at Android prices instead of Windows prices (or playing them for free, the dark unfortunate secret of Android).

99 cent tetris vs. $40 Far Cry yay

Re:Why? Developer Developers Developers. And Games (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801141)

99 cent tetris vs. $40 Far Cry yay

I'm switching right now! Who needs to spend hours downloading mods for Bethesda games, when I can play Angry Birds! WOO! Those birds are Angry! LOLOLOLOLOL. ...Seriously, can't tell if GP simply doesn't play video games and thus doesn't understand the market at all, or if GP is a delusional, completely cracked Fandroid.

Re:Why? Developer Developers Developers. And Games (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801245)

Tetris is a much better game. And at a lower price, its a bargin.

Re:Why? Developer Developers Developers. And Games (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801213)

buying them at Android prices instead of Windows prices (or playing them for free, the dark unfortunate secret of Android).

That's Window's secret, too!

Re:Ugh (1)

whoever57 (658626) | about 4 months ago | (#45800991)

Who the fuck wants this? Sure, Windows sucks but why would cramming a shitty OEM version of Android make things better? In order to ship an Android tablet while not paying the Microsoft "Android tax" and while still receiving all the incentives involved in shipping Windows.

If anyone doubts that the effective cost of Windows to OEMs is zero or very close (perhaps even negative), this is evidence in support of that proposition.

Re:Ugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801003)

I think what you can take away from this is that most people only use computers for very simple tasks. If all you do is read/reply to email, watch netflix, and browse the web a little, then android on your desktop is probably easier than using windows 8. I've used a mouse and keyboard with android, and while it is awkward in some cases, it is certainly no more awkward than the windows 8/8.1 interface, imho.

Re:Ugh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801125)

Says the guy who thought his OEM version of droid was jesus in a box until he (luckily) figured out how to root his tablet.

Now you think you're jesus out of the box because you have some measure of "freedom."

I love you kids.

Re:Ugh (3, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 4 months ago | (#45801153)

Maybe Steve Elop returned to Microsoft and told them that they are on a "burning platform" with Windows 8?

That schtick of his worked wonders at Nokia . . .

Re:Ugh (1)

whoever57 (658626) | about 4 months ago | (#45801189)

Who the fuck wants this? Sure, Windows sucks but why would cramming a shitty OEM version of Android make things better?

In order to ship an Android tablet while not paying the Microsoft "Android tax" and while still receiving all the incentives involved in shipping Windows.

If anyone doubted that the effective cost of Windows to OEMs is zero or very close (perhaps even negative), this is evidence in support of that proposition.

[re-post to fix formatting]

Re:Ugh (5, Interesting)

brxndxn (461473) | about 4 months ago | (#45801195)

I, for one.. I'm running Slackware now since Windows 8 pissed me off over and over. Slackware isn't great either - but at least it's something worth learning. I don't see Microsoft continuing being the only dominant player in the future.

Windows 8 has got to be the main reason laptop and PC sales have plummeted. Nobody likes the fucking interface on a PC and nobody wants to buy a new PC that forcefeeds you Windows 8 when they already have Windows 7.

Windows 8 is an asshole operating system. It was designed by a guy that decided to be an asshole and only have asshole programmers join him. It was designed so that you can only multitask when Windows 8 decides you can multitask. Did you launch 'full screen' Internet Explorer? You did? Ha! There's no way to move it back to a window. Because fuck you! Guess what? Here's a start menu. And, it only launches bullshit by default. Oh, you have a PC? We will go ahead and optimize it for a tablet anyway. Oh, you don't have a touchscreen monitor? We'll continue to act like you have a touchscreen. You have a sound card issue? You and like 10,000 other people? We will continue to act like you don't know how to update the drivers for the sound card and we will continue to act like it's your fault. Windows 8 crashed on you? We will continue to act like it never crashes and is the most stable piece of software marvel ever.

Fuck Windows 8. I've never had a piece of software piss me off more so quickly.. and I deal with old industrial software and IT for my career. I would love to see a revolt.

And, if you're a programmer for Windows 8, fuck you too.

More money for Microsoft (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800811)

Microsft gets paid for Android installs too.

Yeah right. (5, Insightful)

JeremyMorgan (1428075) | about 4 months ago | (#45800837)

Laptops and Desktops don't need "apps" and people aren't going to buy them to play Angry Birds and Snapchat all day.

If you want to make a move away from Windows give them an OS that can actually do something useful. Nobody is trying to replace their phone with a laptop.

Re:Yeah right. (1, Interesting)

Actually, I do RTFA (1058596) | about 4 months ago | (#45800921)

If it weren't for the fact that Windows 8 (and 8.1) seems hell bent on removing the things that make it a computer, and not just a tablet, I would feel a lot more confident this move was going to just lead to a bunch of laughter.

Why does everyone want Android everywhere? I've used OS X, iOS,the original Mac OS, Windows 3.1 - 7, and various linux distros. And Android. Android is hands down the most annoying. And yet people persist in wanting not just smartphones, but real computers to run it.

Re:Yeah right. (3)

binarylarry (1338699) | about 4 months ago | (#45800949)

I wouldn't be against a desktop OS built from Android. But Android needs a lot of work to go from mobile devices to the desktop.

Re:Yeah right. (2)

JeremyMorgan (1428075) | about 4 months ago | (#45800997)

I agree with you on both counts. Windows 8.1 is trying to hard to become a mobile OS, and it's silly. It's not what the market wants. I also agree that Android is annoying, but for many people it's familiar and that's what is key to them. You're forgetting the PC had it's heyday, and we have a whole generation of people coming up that are again detached from PCs and think it's just some confusing video game console.

Re:Yeah right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801041)

Dude, I use Windows 8.1 every day on a desktop with no touch. Keyboard & Mouse. It can do nearly everything Windows 7 can do, and a whole lot more. I don't ever see any 'tablet' interface except for very rare excursions into search or the start screen. I'm more productive with Win 8.1 than I was with Win7.

Most of this Windows 8.1 bashing is just plain ignorant.

Similarly, I use Windows 8.1 on a tablet, and almost never see the desktop. It's a powerful desktop OS, AND a powerful tablet OS. And the changes in Windows 8.1 let you more easily stay in the environment you want.

Re:Yeah right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800987)

Just because YOU (or people like you) aren't does not mean that NOBODY is.

What is more significant here is that the manufacturers that have been in bed with Microsoft for a very long time are considering alternatives seriously enough to bundle something else with their hardware.

Re:Yeah right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801005)

You realise that the term "app" comes from the file extension on an OS X executable (or 'application' as OS X calls them), right?

Desktops very much do need apps, that's where they came from!

Re:Yeah right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801085)

You are just ignorant enough. "App" was used at least on the original IBM PC, before the Mac was a twinkle in Woz's eye.

Re: Yeah right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801203)

On my trs-80 I labeled cassettes with programs either apps or games.

Re:Yeah right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801113)

Nobody is trying to replace their phone with a laptop.

Yeah, and nobody will replace their mainframes with workstations.

Nobody will replace their workstation with a "personal computer."

Nobody will replace their PC with a laptop.

Nobody will replace their Server OS with Windows.

Wait...

Re:Yeah right. (5, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | about 4 months ago | (#45801129)

People are going to buy computers to do stuff. Email, facebook, ms word, that is what the average users says they do on the computer. One big problem with netbooks was that people assumed that could MS Word, and when they found out they couldn't they returned the computer. This is a solution where OEMs can expose people to other OS while still allowing MS Office to run. Maybe some people realize that they don't need MS Office. Maybe they don't want to pay a monthly fee for Office and realize that Google Docs or OpenOffice is sitting right there fore free. Maybe the next computer they buy doesn't have MS WIndows.

This is scary enough that MS, allegedly, has in the past prevented OEM from installing two OS. The last thing MS wants a computer user to know is there is another OS. Look at the misinformation on the Mac, how expensive it is, when my last Macbook Air was $1000. Yes, more expensive that they mythicla $300 MS laptop that runs everything, but about what a good laptop costs. We can argue price, but MS is scared of users knowing there is choice.

We also see this in past EULA in which certain versions of MS Windows could not be the guest OS. This is likely the future of the PC. A reasonably functional and free client OS on top of which a virtualized guest OS can be run. This is basically what MS is doing now with the instant upgrade. Start with a functionality locked out, and buy a full OS after the fact. Like the Mainframe manufacturers used to do. You have all the hardware, but have to pay extra to use it.

Re:Yeah right. (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | about 4 months ago | (#45801183)

You don't know my mother. Nor my dad. Nor brother in law. Also, there are comptent Office suites (MS Works-level), uTorrent, photo and video editing... I actually have an Android *desktop* that works well enough.

Re:Yeah right. (1)

magpie (3270) | about 4 months ago | (#45801205)

Erm, sorry to bust your bubble but MS wants apps they control. MS doesn't want to be open anymore if they can help it.

So this is the way it ends (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800839)

Microsoft, past giant of the operating system industry, will die not to OS X, not to Ubuntu, not to FreeBSD, Redhat, not to ReactOS, Plan 9, Gentoo, Hurd, BeOS, the vengeful ghost of OS/2, but to an OS designed for cell phones.

Well, okay, I guess.

Re:So this is the way it ends (1)

couchslug (175151) | about 4 months ago | (#45801115)

"Microsoft, past giant of the operating system industry, will die not to OS X, not to Ubuntu, not to FreeBSD, Redhat, not to ReactOS, Plan 9, Gentoo, Hurd, BeOS, the vengeful ghost of OS/2, but to an OS designed for cell phones."

MSFT can not be easily attacked where they are entrenched, but when consumers cease to want that space Redmond becomes vulnerable.

Re:So this is the way it ends (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801201)

(Chuckle) Good one, including Hurd in the list of killer OS'es. While we're at it, maybe Perl 6 will kill Microsoft's C# (wink).

What might scare MS (5, Insightful)

transporter_ii (986545) | about 4 months ago | (#45800849)

A dual boot Windows 8.1 and Steam OS machine. I'm not really feeling the need for Android on a PC. Anyone else?

Re:What might scare MS (1)

JeremyMorgan (1428075) | about 4 months ago | (#45800875)

Yep, SteamOS is actually useful. This is why people buy these things. Even better would be an Ubuntu offering. Once it catches on, we all benefit.

Re:What might scare MS (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about 4 months ago | (#45800973)

Does MS own any patents on Steam OS? No? Then you know why they serve up Android. This pleases Microsoft very much.

Neither... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801231)

While I see android multiboot as a dubious value proposition, I see steamos as doubly so. If you have windows, then windows provides a strict superset of the gaming selection of SteamOS. There's no exclusive content for SteamOS right now. There is some android exclusive content, but not much of consequence

Morons (5, Insightful)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 4 months ago | (#45800857)

If they want to scare MS then they need to get behind a linux distro. Any of the polished ones it doesn't really matter.

You've got Steam pushing a linux gaming line... why would you go for anything besides linux IF you're trying to unseat MS?

This is idiotic and doomed to tragic failure.

Re:Morons (1)

recoiledsnake (879048) | about 4 months ago | (#45801103)

If MS really wants to push the OEMs, they'll just make Surface laptops, desktops and Ultrabooks and then double the OEM prices for Windows. If you think the OEMs are hurting now, you should see what happens then.

Re:Morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801187)

I couldn't agree more. Some of the polished Linux distros out there (Ubuntu, Elementary, Mint, etc) give one helluva better desktop/laptop experience than Windows 8.1 is offering. Android isn't meant to give a desktop/laptop experience - expecting it to is unreasonable.

Granted, I cede that many manufacturers are probably not talking about dektops or the classic idea of a laptop, but rather "convertibles" and tablets. A tablet that dual boots Win 8.1 and Android is less disgusting. A convertible is pretty iffy.

Re:Morons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801237)

Heck, while they're at it, maybe they should put all three dozen Linux distros on it. That'll *really* scare 'em.

OpenBSD + Truecrypt + Rip Anywhere Mp3 player (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800871)

Give me an mp3 player which has the following features:

1. OpenBSD
2. TrueCrypt - choice of encrypting all of device with 1st run and in settings
3. Rip from any device - an extension to the device (like the front part of ST:TNG ship's dish which separates for example) which allows CDs to be inserted and ripped on the fly without a computer connection, and the ability to plug into any electronic device which has the ability to contain audio files, scan for, and rip any audio files - all with the option to convert them to a format of your choosing

Re:OpenBSD + Truecrypt + Rip Anywhere Mp3 player (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801147)

This is the most surreal troll (?) post I've ever seen.

Aaaaaand Slashdot cheers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800877)

Well, some of slashdot cheers and some of it just kind of kvetches about something with Android not being perfect either and why can't everything run Arch or Gentoo.

My .02 (2)

DaMattster (977781) | about 4 months ago | (#45800885)

I'm generally a strong open source advocate but I haven't found an open source window manager that works as well for my needs. I think having a heterogenous mix of open source and proprietary in your environment is a good thing.

Maybe it's time MS gave out thier OS for free (4, Interesting)

t0qer (230538) | about 4 months ago | (#45800899)

I see it as the only way to compete with android. Just give it out, completely free. Still charge for the server level OS's and support, but for a desktop, MS makes money from plenty of other areas. Office is still a cash cow. Xbox is a profit center.

Google makes its money from their "free" OS through the app store. They also have a pretty neat ecosystem and various ways app makers can make money (in app advertising) They control the entire ecosystem. If MS could do the same with windows, I think we'd see the desktop come back.

Re:Maybe it's time MS gave out thier OS for free (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 4 months ago | (#45800959)

How long would it be before the cries of "monopoly abuse" would hit these hallowed pages of lore that we call Slashdot after Microsoft did what you suggest?

Re:Maybe it's time MS gave out thier OS for free (1, Interesting)

msauve (701917) | about 4 months ago | (#45801171)

They don't even have to go all out - just give out XP, then sell security update subscriptions for $20/yr. Only Microsoft thinks there's any benefit to Win8, and other than revenue, "why" is a mystery.

Re:Maybe it's time MS gave out thier OS for free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801173)

If MS gave Windows away for free then it would be a lot easier to defend all the critical bugs and heavy patching/security add-on software requirements. "Hey! You get what you pay for!"

What I don't understand is who in their right mind actually gives MS money for the OS? Okay my first PC came with Windows 3.1 but that's the first and last time I bought Windows. Even if an OEM machine looked attractive to me I'll never buy one if it means paying the MS OS tax. OTOH I have found my Mac OSX experience to be superior enough I'm willing to pay for the OS and hardware. Then what does Apple do? They decide to give the OS away. Hopefully they don't screw it all up. Mavericks seemed to be a lot more buggy, and Snow Leopard was the best release IMO.

In related news... (1)

meeotch (524339) | about 4 months ago | (#45800901)

Ford Motor Company announced they will be marketing a car that runs on both steam *and* a giant key that you turn to wind it up.

Seriously - wtf?

Garbage article by trashdot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800927)

100% FUD article that doesn't examine the fact that computer hardware is just lasting a lot longer than it used to. I bought a new laptop just last week to replace the hulking piece of shit that was my first generation macbook air.

People don't usually buy new computers until their old ones stop doing what they need them to do. So if a computer from 6 years ago is still working as intended people will not buy new ones. Duh.

it's not Microsoft (4, Insightful)

bhcompy (1877290) | about 4 months ago | (#45800933)

The problem isn't Microsoft or Windows, it's the method of consumption. People are more than happy to consume on cellphones and tablets, and desktop OS's don't fit into that paradigm. If Metro was more powerful/open and had application support, it would be a good idea to allow people to access all their purchases(media, applications, etc) across desktops and mobile devices, but it's not. I guess that's a Microsoft problem, but Android(and every other mobile OS) is equally bad as a desktop OS and none of the dedicated desktop OS's are any good as mobile/touch OS's(fuck you, Ubuntu/Unity).

The reality is that desktops are dying for a typical person's use and consumption. They're going to return to being workstations for the most part.

Re:it's not Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801079)

Bingo. But while Metro/Modern isn't "open", it is pretty easy to develop for, and the environment IS plenty powerful. It's just that iOS/Android have a three or so year head-start in app developer mind-share.

Re:it's not Microsoft (2)

bhcompy (1877290) | about 4 months ago | (#45801179)

In some respects it is powerful, but certain things, like gaining access to restricted functionality, is aggressively, uh, punished? The Chevron team sold out to Microsoft after MS made dealings with them to prevent the release of a Metro jailbreak method.

MS won't allow this anyway (1)

rexbinary (902403) | about 4 months ago | (#45800939)

Why would Microsoft allow this? The PC manufactures must have forgotten about Microsoft shutting down the selling of machines that dual boot Windows and BeOS from the factory. Or also how Microsoft doesn't allow vendors to even advertise machines with non-Windows operating systems. (Ask Dell why they don't advertise their Ubuntu machines.) Microsoft runs the show here, unless the manufactures plan to give up their rights to sell Windows.

Re:MS won't allow this anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801235)

Microsoft cannot prohibit selling or advertising alternative OS's. What they do is refuse to discount the per unit cost of OEM windows licenses when vendors step out of line. If Microsoft did not have a monopoly grip on the Desktop PC OS market, such behaviour would never have been possible and MS will be hosed when enough vendors tell them to swivel on their deal.

Dell should have done it in the mid '90s and created a custom linux distro. That is afterall how capitalism is supposed to work, somebody sees an opportunity and creates a product. Alas, vendors saw easy revenue from towing the MS line in an expanding market. That was then!!!

Re:MS won't allow this anyway (3, Informative)

mrchaotica (681592) | about 4 months ago | (#45801243)

What part of "multiple computer makers [are] planning a revolt" do you not understand? They're acting collectively, and if Microsoft refuses them then no Windows machines would be sold at all.

Android??? Why not Chrome OS.... (1)

brunes69 (86786) | about 4 months ago | (#45800945)

Android is not a desktop OS. Chrome OS is designed for the desktop. I fail to see why a desktop or laptop maker would use Android and not Chromium OS. Anyone who has used an Android device with a keyboard and mouse will tell you it is a very sub-par experience. Whereas Chromium OS is basically just Google Chrome with a thin wrapper around it. I wish more PC makers aside from Google would ship Chromium devices it might drive better hardware support and a cleaner install of the platform.

Re:Android??? Why not Chrome OS.... (1)

Hadlock (143607) | about 4 months ago | (#45800981)

Android works just fine with a mouse and keyboard, it works great with a bluetooth mouse and keyboard. It looks and acts a lot like the MeeGo and Ubuntu Netbook Remix OS when you work with a mouse and keyboard. A lot of students are using the Nexus 7 as a tiny notetaking laptop with folio cases that have integrated keyboards.
 
Android might have been designed for the touchscreen, but it's pretty solid as a singletasking desktop too.

Re:Android??? Why not Chrome OS.... (1)

c (8461) | about 4 months ago | (#45801199)

Android might have been designed for the touchscreen, but it's pretty solid as a singletasking desktop too.

Not without a touchscreen.

I've tried various versions of Android x86 over the years, and (ignoring hardware compatibility bugs and stuff like suspend not working), it's nowhere near "pretty solid" without touch. Scroll bars, for example, seem to appear randomly. If I had to compare it to something, I'd say it's about as usable as KDE 4.0.1.

Re:Android??? Why not Chrome OS.... (1)

spyfrog (552673) | about 4 months ago | (#45801117)

Chrome OS isn't really a desktop OS either. Chrome OS is the current incarnation of the dumb terminal (I know that there is local processing but the purpose is locking you up to Googles servers and services). Chrome OS is a tool for locking your data in with Google. That is even worse than MS locking in your desktop - at least you control your data there. In Chrome OS you control neither. They have to pay ME for get me to use one.

Re:Android??? Why not Chrome OS.... (2)

c (8461) | about 4 months ago | (#45801121)

I fail to see why a desktop or laptop maker would use Android and not Chromium OS.

Because Android has a gazillion name-brand apps, and Chromium OS... doesn't? Granted, many of those apps have web versions which will work fine on Chrome, but it's not even close to the same number.

I'm also thinking that PC makers (who, in many cases, are also tablet and even phone makers) have a lot more product experience with Android than ChromeOS. Yeah, there are some ChromeOS device makers, but nowhere near as many and they haven't been doing it as long.

Re:Android??? Why not Chrome OS.... (1)

ahabswhale (1189519) | about 4 months ago | (#45801123)

Actually, Chrome OS is a stripped down linux with a custom UI. It runs Chrome web browser and Chrome apps. It should be noted that these apps aren't the restricted kind that you find inside of the browser. They have enhanced privileges so they can access things like the filesystem.

But your point is valid. I'd rather have Chrome OS (if my only choice is between Chrome OS and Android). Android apps scale like dogshit. If I had full choice, I'd go Windows 7 + Ubuntu 13.10. I don't need touch on my damned laptop or desktop!

Why not Windows 7 (1)

Mistakill (965922) | about 4 months ago | (#45800961)

I'm sure if the big manufacturers banded together, they could get enough demand for windows 7 licenses...

keyboard+mouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45800963)

how exactly android behaves with keyboard and mouse input?, it should be a lot worse than the win8 modern applications.

Scared? (1)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | about 4 months ago | (#45800977)

According to Microsoft, they own Android - and they have ~$2 Billion in extortion money to prove it (just not ever in a court of law).

Apple should be the one wary of this (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 4 months ago | (#45800995)

Currently people don't seem very keen on buying touch-screen laptops. But lots of laptop makers also bundling Android means suddenly there's a kind of compelling case to get one, where at least there is a selection of software you could run.

Either one apart is not selling that well, but perhaps together they can combine into a Voltron like force to take on Apple.

It will be very interesting to see how these devices end up managing the division.

Horror (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801043)

Yep, MS will be terrified about manufacturers trying to sell more devices that include an MS operating system. Wait.......

I can't imagine Windows 8 for serious work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801049)

Windows 8 is JokeOS. To me it seems like the last OS on which I'll run SolidWorks is Windows 7 64 bit. Fuck everything, I'm not using Windows 8.

A bunch of someones didn't do the required reading (5, Informative)

Chas (5144) | about 4 months ago | (#45801065)

Why the hell would this scare Microsoft?

Microsoft is ALREADY making billions off Android royalties [businessinsider.com] .

Plus these vendors are already contractually obligated to pay the Microsoft tax REGARDLESS of what OS they load onto a system.

This would be a perfect trifecta for Redmond. Microsoft will just look at this and go "We'll get a royalty? WIN! We'll still get our OS tax? WIN! We don't have to support it? WIN!"

Re:A bunch of someones didn't do the required read (2)

spyfrog (552673) | about 4 months ago | (#45801185)

Of course it scares MS. If it didn't, why did they even release Win8 with the UI previously known as Metro?
The purpose of Metro is obviously to get a 30% share of all application sales - with Android Google gets this share and MS want it.

If the purpose was to make a mobile UI - why try to force it on desktop users? And why force developer to sell through MS? No, the only answer is that Metro is a land-grab for a 30% sale "tax" on all applications. MS could prove this wrong by simply allowing third party installs with Metro apps but they don't do that.

What the hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801073)

Why would you run two tablet operating systems at the same time? I think that's the kind of disgusting computational miscegeny they lecture you about at the Church of Stallman.

MS need to build in ModernMix and a start menu (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 4 months ago | (#45801107)

MS need to build in ModernMix and have the start menu come back to save windows 8

plus ça change (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801139)

From CES 1914:

"Fearing rapidly plummeting sales of traditional horse drawn carriages, multiple cartwrights will unveil wagons that run on eight wheels instead of four."

The rebellion is not what it seems (1)

silviuc (676999) | about 4 months ago | (#45801151)

Just a re-negotiation. MS has to give up a few inches (read money) and it will have these idiots by the balls, again. It's Windows 7 that they want? Fine... it looks like that's where the next version of Windows will, finally, be able to provide a proper desktop where it's needed and a touch interface if the hw supports that. Yay! They/we won! Right?....Guys?....

I'm not getting my hopes up. HW manufacturers are a bunch of pussies.

The peasants are revolting! (2)

dltaylor (7510) | about 4 months ago | (#45801159)

Cover of The Wizard of ID #3:

Voice of alarm outside the window "The peasants are revolting!" and the king, inside "You can say that again."

Really? (1)

Daniel Hoffmann (2902427) | about 4 months ago | (#45801169)

Even if the idea was indeed good, you expect anything software related made by those hardware giants to be anything but awful? These are the guys that load crapware on every single machine they make. This smells like it is only a grab for doubling their crapware revenues.

Tri-Boot Better (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801177)

Give me something that can do Windoze, Any Good Linux Distro, *and* XBMCBuntu simultaneously. I'd set aside my usual run-it-till-the-hardware-fries mentality for that.

captcha: empowers

Re:Tri-Boot Better (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801305)

Install a hypervisor and load all those in VMs. Done.

It's the keyboard, stupid (1)

Brendan_Jones (3452957) | about 4 months ago | (#45801239)

One of the greatest advantages of a laptop over a tablet is having a nice keyboard, but lately laptops I've seen in stores all have horrible flimsy chicklet keyboards. They're so bad Officeworks for example has taken to selling Logitech keyboards alongside the laptops. Defeats the whole point.

Until laptop manufacturers wake up they can look forward to falling sales on top of the whole Windows 8 fiasco. Meanwhile I'd rather type on glass.

Windows 8 already has a "tablet" UI (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801251)

If there was some kind of demand for Android apps on a desktop, people would already have been ecstatic about the new Windows 8 tablet style interface.

'This should scare the heck out of Microsoft.'? More like "This should make Microsoft collectively fall out of their chairs from laughing."

Sup Dawg (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | about 4 months ago | (#45801279)

We heard you hate the Windows tablet interface, so we installed a dual-boot Linux tablet interface alongside your Windows one so when you get tired of hating Windows, you can reboot and start hating Android!

I'm genuinely not sure whether I would give the Android one a boot before laughing maniacally, obliterating the partition, and installing a real Linux distro.

Oh wait...they're trying to make it impossible to do that, too. Maybe I'll just go off and shoot myself instead.

Pointless... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45801285)

Android as a platform is certainly adequate and content is similarly good enough for most people, enabling hardware designs and software licensing cost points to drive lower priced devices.

However, if the customer has to buy Windows license and the hardware deisgn must accomodate that, android adds next to no value. Most of the popular android applications have native windows ports or are reimplementations of things that were more full featured in windows to begin with.

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