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Australian Icebreaker Tries To Get Through To Stranded Antarctic Research Ship

timothy posted about 9 months ago | from the good-on-'em dept.

Australia 188

The shipload of researchers and tourists stuck in the Antarctic ice are still stuck. A Chinese icebreaker, the Xue Long, or Snow Dragon, has gotten tantalizingly close but was hampered by "unusually thick ice." Now, an Australian vessel, the Aurora Australis, will attempt to rescue the 74 people aboard the MV Akademik Shokalskiy.

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We need more bugs in soup (0)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | about 9 months ago | (#45813667)

Soup is nutrient poor withou insect supplementation. I believe in SCIENCE!

Re:We need more bugs in soup (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45813673)

I believe in Darwin

LIAR! (1)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | about 9 months ago | (#45813701)

Prove it. Darwin never existed, he was put there by God to deceive us.

Re:LIAR! (-1, Troll)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 9 months ago | (#45813851)

And God was created by the Invisible Pink Unicorn to test our faith in her.

Q.E.D.

Re:LIAR! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814043)

ROFL!

engineering reality (2, Funny)

harvey the nerd (582806) | about 9 months ago | (#45813997)

A boatload of CAGW scientists can't engineer their way out of the ice in the middle of the summer in the Academik. An extra half a million square miles of ice that's not supposed to be there. Stuck about 3500 miles south of Darwin. Awards all around.

Re:engineering reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814903)

Get out and walk?

That Australian Ice Breaker ... (2)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 9 months ago | (#45815017)

... Aurora Australis hasn't been reporting its location since Christmas day.

The latest reported location for that vessel was recorded at 2013-12-25 07:33:00 (UTC), while it was at the latitude/longitude of: -65.78115 / 109.8082, with speed and course of 13.8 kn / 4Â, according to http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:109.8082/centery:-65.78115/zoom:8/oldmmsi:503043000/olddate:lastknown [marinetraffic.com]

Australian Icebreaker (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45813671)

From the same group of Prople behind:

KDBUS
Wayland
Gnome3
Pulseaudio
Systemd
Journald
Alienating Udev
Alienating 95% of their Userbase

If you all have so much problems with the ideology of Unix then why do you use a Unix based System. Why don't you move on and create your shabby world elsewhere ? Without causing more damage to ours ?

Re:Australian Icebreaker (2)

DarkOx (621550) | about 9 months ago | (#45813697)

Yea and Ice breaker should do one thing and do it well oh and be a file.

Vague News (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45813693)

I love how the NYT and BBC reports on this story completely neglect to mention that the stuck ship is full of climate scientists out to gather global warming evidence. Just a complete oversight I'm sure. Also: consensus.

Re:Vague News (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45813831)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25540040 ...
Seventy-four scientists, tourists and crew are on the Shokalskiy. ...
Despite being trapped, the scientists have continued their experiments, measuring temperature and salinity through cracks in the surrounding ice. ...
The goal of the modern-day Australasian Antarctic Expedition is to repeat many of the original measurements and studies of the Mawson expedition to see how facets of the environment have changed over the past century. ...

Completely neglected? Are we looking at the same BBC reports?

Re:Vague News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814861)

The goal of the modern-day Australasian Antarctic Expedition is to repeat many of the original measurements and studies of the Mawson expedition to see how facets of the environment have changed over the past century.

The goal of the modern-day Australian Slashdot "editor" is to get his totally uninteresting and irrelevant nation discussed as many times as possible on Slashdot.

Re:Vague News (3, Insightful)

dbIII (701233) | about 9 months ago | (#45815153)

Even if we are totally uninteresting and irrelevant there's quite a few people from there reading this site and adding stuff while your part of the world is asleep. That's why.

Re:Vague News (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 9 months ago | (#45815147)

The forgot the term "heathen warlock" or whatever the deniers are calling scientists these days.

Vauge conclusions (2, Insightful)

sjbe (173966) | about 9 months ago | (#45814013)

I love how the NYT and BBC reports on this story completely neglect to mention that the stuck ship is full of climate scientists out to gather global warming evidence.

Just like you are vaguely hinting that locally colder than usual weather somehow is evidence that the climate is not changing. Do you have any conception of the difference between climate and weather?

Re:Vauge conclusions (-1, Troll)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 9 months ago | (#45814069)

You forgot [citation needed].

Go back to masturbating while editing Wikipedia.

Re:Vauge conclusions (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814317)

Look, it's Frosty Piss. Haven't seen you in a while, thought you might be dead.

Pity you aren't.

Re:Vauge conclusions (-1, Troll)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 9 months ago | (#45814971)

Look, it's Frosty Piss. Haven't seen you in a while, thought you might be dead.

Pity you aren't.

Spoken like a true Anon Cunt.

Re:Vauge conclusions (3, Insightful)

Kernel Kurtz (182424) | about 9 months ago | (#45814551)

But scientists have been equating ice levels with climate for decades.....

Re:Vauge conclusions (4, Informative)

dinog (582015) | about 9 months ago | (#45814839)

I'll help you finish that thought :

But scientists have been equating ice levels with climate for decades.....

... and the average ice levels have been falling dramatically in most locations over the long term.

Re:Vauge conclusions (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814863)

And Gore [pjmedia.com] told us scientists had proof the Arctic would be ice free by 2013.

Lets tally the results so far:
AGW correct predictions - 0
AGW incorrect prediction - 1340

Well, I'm going to use the scientific method and not listen to people who are ALWAYS wrong when they predict doom and gloom unless I am taxed more.

What do they know, right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45815099)

So-called 'scientists' keep claiming that the sun is a source of heat, but when I get closer to the sun by climbing mountains it gets colder.

Explain that, eggheads.

Re:Vauge conclusions (3, Funny)

Applehu Akbar (2968043) | about 9 months ago | (#45815065)

Remember, boys and girls: melting ice proves that the climate is warming up; freezing ice in midsummer, on the other hand, proves that the climate is warming up.

Re:Vauge conclusions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45815079)

Taking a cue from the Alarmists,....when there's a drought, lots of tornadoes, a hurricane, lots of rain, that's climate.

When it's cold, lots of snow, lots of rain...that's weather.

Alll the news.... (1)

westlake (615356) | about 9 months ago | (#45814115)

I love how the NYT and BBC reports on this story completely neglect to mention that the stuck ship is full of climate scientists out to gather global warming evidence. Just a complete oversight I'm sure.

On Twitter, Documenting an Antarctic Journey and a Countdown to a Rescue [nytimes.com]

Four embedded videos from the expedition team. Including a seven minute introduction to the project.

Re:Vague News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814171)

Because by doing so, they support the CONservatives, and that is morally wrong.

They're fucked... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45813699)

...They're just FUCKED, man!

Aurora Australis (5, Informative)

bloodhawk (813939) | about 9 months ago | (#45813709)

Web cam for Aurora, hopefully will be on when they are getting close http://www.antarctica.gov.au/webcams/aurora [antarctica.gov.au] '

Re:Aurora Australis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814017)

Pity the most powerful nuclear icebreaker in the world Yamal [wikipedia.org] only operates in the Northern hemisphere.

Re:Aurora Australis (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814189)

Why? Aurora Australis looks like it can do the job.

Re:Aurora Australis (3, Interesting)

XaXXon (202882) | about 9 months ago | (#45814647)

I was wondering why they only operate in the northern hemisphere.

It's because it requires cold water to cool its reactor. Tropic water is apparently not cold enough, so it can't get to the southern hemisphere without exploderating. Or something.

I thought that... (0, Troll)

ls671 (1122017) | about 9 months ago | (#45813797)

I thought that allmost all the ice had melted away...

Re:I thought that... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45813829)

You obviously don't understand what "warming" refers to. Here's a hint: It doesn't mean all ice all over the world is suddenly gone. It DOES mean that rising ocean temperatures have seriously fucked up ocean life, as you can see by price trends in seafood, massive overpopulation of lobsters in New England, dearth of shrimp in historically abundant areas, etc.

Re:I thought that... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814489)

massive overpopulation of lobsters in New England,

That doesn't sound like a problem to me. Lobsters are delicious.

Re: I thought that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45815409)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure a rising population and overfishing are the main worries for our sea life.

Re:I thought that... (4, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 9 months ago | (#45813873)

Yes, of course: Because when the average temperature in December rises from -18 C to -16 C means that it's impossible for water to even consider freezing.

Re:I thought that... (2, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | about 9 months ago | (#45814851)

I dunno. The flappy headed environmentalists have been telling us for years(closer to decades) that there will be no ice in the arctic or antarctic. And the met centre in the UK went as far as to say a few years ago that "snow would be a thing of the past, and would only be read about in books." If there was a great fraud being perpetrated that people are cluing in on, then it would be the doom and gloom hoax of our lifetime.

Re:I thought that... (3, Informative)

dbIII (701233) | about 9 months ago | (#45815163)

or antarctic

No they did not. If that happens most of us are going to need really long snorkels. If you are going to suggest that others are lying it's best not to lie to do so - otherwise you come off as being dishonest.

Re:I thought that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45815447)

No I clearly remember reading tons of stories about ice in the antarctic melting and dropping off in huge sheets being used as proof of warming. I did a quick look and according to "scientists" melting ice in the antarctic is one of the biggest long-term hazards of global warming.

NYT story [nytimes.com]

So he wasn't lying, but you are.

Shhhh... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814165)

Don't upset the leftist liberal scumbags. They have been known to execute people who stand up to their bullshit [whatreallyhappened.com] . That's why I am posting this anonymously, and I recommend all rational right thinking people do the same until we can at least partially undo their control of goverment and power to hurt those who stand up to them.

Re:I thought that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814373)

You're thinking of the north pole, where the amount of seasonal ice has reduced each year.

Send the American icebreaker! (0)

rbrander (73222) | about 9 months ago | (#45813803)

The good ship "Paul Ryan", which will anchor safely off the ice pack and send them pictures of the sailors aboard enjoying fine meals and swimming pools to give them incentive to break free of the ice on their own! We do these people no favours, killing them with kindness by "helping" them out of the jam they got themselves in. We can't have these ships oppressing us with their pleas of imminent personal disaster. ...and you thought that this one topic surely couldn't be dragged into American political crank-fests. My next post: how all this relates to gun control.

Re:Send the American icebreaker! (3, Interesting)

growingtedium (1545623) | about 9 months ago | (#45813841)

I do wonder who is going to be paying for these rescue attempts.

Re:Send the American icebreaker! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814035)

A tiny bit of money is not even worth mentioning if you can help someone out with a serious problem.
Especially if it buys you a lot of positive publicity and goodwill, which you would mostly lose again if you brought up the issue of money.

That is who it works for people, and it that is also how it works in international relations.
Therefor the Chinese and Australian taxpayer will likely pay for it.

Re: Send the American icebreaker! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814111)

Sailors live with the shared knowledge that they can easily suffer a similar fate. I believe rescue is part of the maritime laws. Even in war, enemies are rescued.

Re: Send the American icebreaker! (4, Informative)

BancBoy (578080) | about 9 months ago | (#45814343)

As regards US Maritime law, I can offer this -

Copy and pasted from http://www.maritimeinjurylawyersblog.com/2013/02/rescues_at_sea_the_united_stat.html [maritimein...rsblog.com]

According to federal law, 45 USC Section 2304, the master of a vessel must aid anyone at sea who is in danger of losing their lives, as long as such rescue can be performed without serious threat to the master, the master’s vessel, and those on board. However, maritime law is in agreement with common law in that an individual, including a vessel master, has this statutory duty to assist those in peril at sea only when a certain relationship exists, such as carrier/passenger, vessel/seaman, and employer/employee; also, whoever has caused a danger at sea must aid any persons or property they have endangered. Further, whether because of an established relationship or as a Good Samaritan, if an individual attempts a rescue which results in further harm due to negligence, recklessness, or wantonness, he or she may be held liable for damages.

Re:Send the American icebreaker! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814455)

Can't the fucking coast Guard runs USAian icebreakers. They could not sail themselves outside a toilet bowl.

I long for the days when we were trying to put nuclear reactors on everything including cars. If we had a nuclear powered ice breaker we could thrust through the icey heart of mother nature and rescue these intrepid scientists. But we don't so we can't. See this is what happens when greenies take control and destroy our nuclear ambitions.

Mother nature doesn't give a fuck about me. I don't give a fuck about her. I want to fuck the shit out of mother nature and steal all her gooey oil so I can burn it for no good reason, polute the atmosphere with a rampant rise in C02. Then I will burn all the forests. Then I will rape the shit out of all the polar bears including the male ones (see I don't want to be considered homophobic). Then I will kill all the whales and stuff them into cans labeled tuna fish. Whale meat disguised as tuna fish is the most heart healthy meat out there (according to a record 5 million dollar study by the Peruvian Heart Association).

Once this is all done I will become the EPA's best friend. I will limit carbon emissions by putting a strict limit on the number of children that the liberal east coast edumicated elite can have. (being that C02 is a pollutant, children are necessarily a pollutant). When all this is done we will have a better world. I heard that penguin meat is the best. The best thing about penguins is that they are so trusting. They will walk right up to you. Well they WILL learn to fear man if I have anything to do with it.

Yea my resolution for 2014 is to fuck Mother Nature like a slutty whore. She could have avoided all this by giving me a little luv and not being a stuck up bitch. But she didn't, and instead she trapped all the brave scientist with a wall of ice. Now I have to take control and ravish her against her will. That is the only way with some girls.

Re:Send the American icebreaker! (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | about 9 months ago | (#45815129)

Can't the fucking coast Guard runs USAian icebreakers. They could not sail themselves outside a toilet bowl.

Didn't you know that everybody in the Coast Guard has to be over six feet tall? That way, if their ship ever sinks, they can wade ashore.

Re:Send the American icebreaker! (3, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 9 months ago | (#45814991)

I think we need to pause and think about the what's really behind the story here:

The Russians put our camera made by our German scientists and your film made by your German scientists into their satellite made by their German scientists.

This rescue will end when the a US nuclear submarine pops up through the ice sheet, and a bunch of marines in snow gear jump out. But then a Russian airplane will toss out a bunch of paratroopers in snow gear will land.

A suspenseful standoff is guaranteed . . .

This stranded tourists and scientists story is just a cover for the public to hide what is really going on . . .

Antarctica ... Ice (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45813817)

Funny how global warmernazi's just won't confront the fact that the Ice Shield here in Antarctica has been growing thicker and thicker and is now thicker than any previous measurement ... Yes Virginia - Polar Bears can swim and run on the ever thickening Ice! Which leaves Mr. Gore on very thin ice!

Re:Antarctica ... Ice (1)

mysidia (191772) | about 9 months ago | (#45813861)

Some Antarctic ice thickening after massive Arctic ice thinning, is still a net global climate change; with plenty of potential ramifications --- most likely highly negative ramifications; when it comes to world climates: climate change = potential extinctions.

Re:Antarctica ... Ice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45813973)

Seriously, it's pretty easy to see extent values on the web. Antarctic is 1.5 million sq. km over average. Arctic is 0.6 million sq. km under average right now. Net = .9 million sq. km over average.

Re:Antarctica ... Ice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814409)

What's the volumetric difference?

Also why use ice area/volume as a standard of the global temperature?

Re:Antarctica ... Ice (4, Insightful)

Rockoon (1252108) | about 9 months ago | (#45814869)

Also why use ice area/volume as a standard of the global temperature?

..perhaps because for years we have been told that shrinking ice area/volume was a standard indicator of global warming.

Re:Antarctica ... Ice (2)

Freultwah (739055) | about 9 months ago | (#45813879)

Risking a whoosh: South - penguins, North - polar bears. The northern ice extent has been receding dramatically over the past decades. Economically, it can be a boon, what with the Northern Sea Route and the Northwest Passage opening up, but the hapless animals will eventually have to suck it up and go extinct.

Re:Antarctica ... Ice (2)

gargleblast (683147) | about 9 months ago | (#45813943)

Risking a whoosh ...

Relax. Comments as idiotic as AC's make a dull thud, not a whoosh.

Hey AC: Want to hang out with like minded people giggling inanely until they wet themselves? http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/12/29/saving-the-antarctic-scientists-er-media-er-activists-er-tourists-trapped-by-sea-ice/#more-100034 [wattsupwiththat.com] .

Re:Antarctica ... Ice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45813961)

No polar bears in the Antarctic.

Penguins: Yes
Polar bears: No

Copyrighted materials of the Church Of Warminetics (4, Funny)

Applehu Akbar (2968043) | about 9 months ago | (#45813869)

Naturally, the appearance in the middle of the summer of ice so thick that the icebreakers of multiple polefaring nations cannot penetrate it is proof of anthropogenic warming. You criticize our teachings in any way, and we will beat you to death with our sacred hockey sticks in the East District of Texas. Meanwhile, our last hope is to send in Chuck Norris with a shipload of thermite.

Re:Copyrighted materials of the Church Of Warminet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814321)

multiple polefaring nations

That is an awesome phrase. Really opens up my vocabulary. Just think, the United States is one of only two great lake faring nations. What must those Alpsfaring nations think of us?

How is ice forming in the summer? (3, Interesting)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 9 months ago | (#45813889)

I am aware Antarctica is one of the coldest places on earth, yet when I lived 60 degrees away from the equator in Alaska it never got down to 7F (the degree in which salt water freezes) by summer. It would not even hit freezing until September or October?!This is not 90 degrees on the dead center of the geographic south pole or anything and is surrounded by water which moderates the climate.

The ice should be rapidly melting?!

Re:How is ice forming in the summer? (5, Informative)

GumphMaster (772693) | about 9 months ago | (#45814141)

The ice-strengthened vessel is within 100nm of Dumont D'Urville with a typical December daytime temperature hovering around freezing (http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDT60803/IDT60803.89642.shtml). This ice did not suddenly appear in clear water because it got cold, the ship was sailing through broken ice floes when weather conditions pushed the ice and the ship into tight formation. The water between the sheets froze and the rest, as they say, is history.

Re:How is ice forming in the summer? (3, Funny)

CrankyFool (680025) | about 9 months ago | (#45815025)

At that kind of distance, is it really even worth mentioning? If I'm 100 nanometers away from something, I don't say "I'm 100nm away from X," I say "I'm right next to X." Why don't they just disembark now?

Re:How is ice forming in the summer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45815043)

I believe nm in this case refers to nautical mile not nano-meter or they would do just that.

Re:How is ice forming in the summer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45815273)

I believe nm in this case refers to nautical mile not nano-meter or they would do just that.

Why on earth would any of them leave their warm, dry, well-stocked and safe ships to walk out onto sea ice in freezing conditions? Oh yeah, because THAT WOULD BE STUPID.

Re:How is ice forming in the summer? (2)

Pav (4298) | about 9 months ago | (#45814599)

The southern hemisphere is generally cooler. Take for instance the mediterranian climate [wikipedia.org] . In the USA at the same latitude you have California with a roughly equivalent climate. In the south we have Tasmania [wikipedia.org] for example which is significantly cooler.

Re:How is ice forming in the summer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814717)

Tasmania is cooler because it is further south not because the southern hemisphere is cooler. Hobart is 42 south while Los Angeles is 34 north.

Re:How is ice forming in the summer? (1)

Pav (4298) | about 9 months ago | (#45815127)

Both Hobart and Los Angeles are at the southern ends of their respective states which makes that comparison a misleading one.

Re:How is ice forming in the summer? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 9 months ago | (#45815401)

He is implying latitude.

42 degrees from the equator is about where New York City and Chicago are which get snow and significant winters. If it is Mediterranean that far then that is very warm for that latitude.

Re:How is ice forming in the summer? (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 9 months ago | (#45815177)

There's a lot of sea ice down there. Some of it is centuries old at least.

Re:How is ice forming in the summer? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 9 months ago | (#45815395)

But it is growing.

60 degrees south is about equivalent to Alaska distance from the equator. It is 20C or 68F on average inland during the summer at this time. Not 7F. The ice which plenty is left at that latitude is still there but is rapidly melting which it does from glacial run off. They do not grow by June which is the same as December down at that latitude.

In fact with 20 hours of daylight rapid melt would be the logical conclusion as the water would be warming up and not cooling to form thicker ice at the warmest time of the year.

I hope (3, Funny)

JustOK (667959) | about 9 months ago | (#45813969)

I hope they don't get eaten by the polar bears

Re:I hope (1)

WaxItYourself (3476319) | about 9 months ago | (#45814379)

I think you mean the penguins. there are no polar bears in Antarctica.

Re:I hope (1)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 9 months ago | (#45814419)

ARGH! KILLER PENGUINS!

Re:I hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814493)

Whooooosh!

Re:I hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814585)

How the fuck do you know. Have you ever been to Antartica. All the polar bear researchers who went there looking for polar bear never came back. Maybe they were eaten. Maybe they are hiding under the ice waiting to eat these researchers. There have been penguins who have hitched a rid on boats and been found in the arctic waters. Maybe a polar bear hitched a ride on a boat and is quitely living in antartica unbenowst to all the intrepid researchers who are stuck in ice.

Re:I hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814481)

I hope they don't get eaten by the polar bears

They wont. The polar bears would have to swim from the Arctic all the way down to Antartica.

This should be a journey of many years for a polar bear.

The people will have been freed by then.

Re:I hope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814605)

How do you know. Maybe they hitched a ride on a boat. Could happen.

Re:I hope (1)

JustOK (667959) | about 9 months ago | (#45814741)

Never heard of the polar express?

Thanks for the links (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45813971)

At least no one on board the MV Akademik Shokalskiy is sick or injured. Hopefully they have enough supplies to last a few more days.

Re:Thanks for the links (1)

plover (150551) | about 9 months ago | (#45814581)

How many researchers in a 'shipload'?

Re: Thanks for the links (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814769)

In addition to the Russian crew of 22, the expedition team consists of 18 professional scientists from Australia and New Zealand, and 22 volunteer science assistants. They are members of the public, ranging in age from their 20s to their 70s. They paid to join the scientific adventureâ¦

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25519059

Re:Thanks for the links (2)

Applehu Akbar (2968043) | about 9 months ago | (#45815119)

And it's a metric shipload.

Skip the boat? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 9 months ago | (#45814293)

Being serious here, since they are stuck in an ice pack, is it stable enough to get as close as possible then drive out to rescue them? Sure, you will lose the ship as its crushed into oblivion, but you will save the human lives.

No, i haven't seen overhead pictures, thus the question.

Re:Skip the boat? (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | about 9 months ago | (#45814963)

Yeah, I was wondering about an air rescue if there are only 74 people on board. I mean, the ice is thick enough to strand a large ship and prevent the passage of an ice breaker, it should easily hold the weight of a large military transport helicopter.

Re:Skip the boat? (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 9 months ago | (#45815199)

Range sucks with those things in comparison to the vast distances. You'd probably need an icebreaking aircraft carrier to get it near enough. It's not as if they could just fly one of those things in from Capetown or Hobart and expect it to get there let alone back again.

Re:Skip the boat? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 9 months ago | (#45815251)

That is likely why, according to TFA, that the Chinese icebreaker - which happens to have a helicopter - is standing by even though it can't ram through the ice.

Re:Skip the boat? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45815417)

The ship is not in any immediate danger: it is a Finnish built ship designed to operate in conditions of ice, although it is not an icebreaker itself. It is not being crushed. It's just stuck. The ice is a couple meters thick and the people on the ship could climb off and trudge to safety if there were some imminent danger. If they didn't want to do that -- and it would be hard to fault them for not savoring the prospect of trudging half a dozen miles across shifting pack ice -- they could hitch a ride on the Chinese icebreaker's helicopter, or perhaps one of the helicopters that the Aurora Australis may be carrying (I haven't heard specifically if the Australian icebreaker is carrying a helicopter on this expedition). They'd much prefer, however, to get the ship unstuck so it can get on with its voyage. Waiting for the ice to clear by itself could take a lot longer than the passengers and crew might like to wait.

The greatest dynamic here may be the winds, since they're what's causing the pack ice to congregate where it's at. As the winds shift and moderate the pack ice will open back up, the icebreakers will be able to get through, and the ship will be able to proceed. There is evidence the weather and ice conditions are already moderating.

Re:Skip the boat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45815469)

The greatest dynamic here may be the winds, since they're what's causing the pack ice to congregate where it's at. As the winds shift and moderate the pack ice will open back up, the icebreakers will be able to get through, and the ship will be able to proceed. There is evidence the weather and ice conditions are already moderating.

Isn't this the same situation that trapped Shackleton and the rest of the crew of Endurance ~100 years ago?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_(1912_ship) [wikipedia.org]

Two standard deviations more (4, Informative)

jamesl (106902) | about 9 months ago | (#45814351)

The Antarctic Sea Ice Extent is currently more than two standard deviations greater than the 1981 to 2010 average according to the NSIDC.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png [nsidc.org]

Not what one would expect in a warming climate. Or maybe it is ... ex post.
Antarctica Sea Ice Reaches Record High: Doesn't Refute Global Warming
http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/antarctic-sea-ice-at-record-high-doesnt-refute-global-warming/ [guardianlv.com]

Re:Two standard deviations more (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45815123)

Meh...nothing refutes global warming. Even when there hasn't been any in the last 18 years

Re:Two standard deviations more (-1, Troll)

russotto (537200) | about 9 months ago | (#45815197)

We could have an iceball earth scenario next year, and the surviving "climate scientists" would STILL claim it was CO2 emissions causing it.

Re:Two standard deviations more (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45815481)

We could have an iceball earth scenario next year, and the surviving "climate scientists" would STILL claim it was CO2 emissions causing it.

You're so busy building and knocking down that "straw man" that I'm surprised you heroically took the time to post your "thoughts".

Now, GTFO of this tech site and go to some Young Earth Creationist site where the fruits of science are properly mocked.

Asshole.

Australian Icebreaker (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814445)

How about them Hockeyroos?

Get to da choppa (2, Interesting)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about 9 months ago | (#45814661)

Seriously, anyone thought about rescuing them using helicopters? Rescue the people, worry about the ship later...

Re:Get to da choppa (1)

tapi0 (2805569) | about 9 months ago | (#45814743)

they don't need 'rescuing' the ship needs freeing from the ice, but the ship is perfectly safe, the crew and passengers healthy, and enough supplies to last a good time yet. If anything happens and any emergency evacuation is needed then there is helicopter rescue in place.

It has been thought of (2)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about 9 months ago | (#45815445)

Seriously, anyone thought about rescuing them using helicopters?

That has been thought of, and is being considered as the last resort.

The Chinese ice breaker, the Xue Long (Ice Dragon) has a chopper on board, and the vessel is only some 7KM away from the Russian vessel.

Just like FRAM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814937)

Arctic (and Antarctic) scientists used to deliberately let their ship be frozen in over winter. Some guy on the ship was interviewed on NPR a couple days ago.. they have months of food, water, and fuel. It's more an inconvenience than a problem right now.

By November (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45814995)

The last of the hapless crew having survived through cannibalism will die. Thus the un-happy fate of the 'anthropocene' "researchers" will end. A nasty tale on a nastier fallacy of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

Re:By November (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 9 months ago | (#45815265)

The last of the hapless crew having survived through cannibalism will die. Thus the un-happy fate of the 'anthropocene' "researchers" will end. A nasty tale on a nastier fallacy of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

You trying to write a screen play or are you just an idiot?

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