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Are Tablets Replacing Notebook Computers? (Video)

Roblimo posted about 4 months ago | from the computers-get-better-faster-and-cheaper-every-year dept.

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Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the application and the user. We're seeing tablets advertised like crazy these days, and a trip to any busy coffee shop with free wi-fi will make it obvious that while there may not be as many tablets in use as notebooks, you see a lot more of them than you did five years ago, when it seemed like Bill Gates was the only person who had one, which he tried to show off as often as he could. In 2010, Apple debuted the iPad, and before long tablets were all over the place. So, on behalf of people we know -- and there are more than a few -- who either sneer at tablet computers or aren't sure they need one, we turned to David Needle, editor of TabTimes.com, for advice on what kind of tablet to buy -- assuming we need to buy one at all.

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No. (4, Informative)

NoImNotNineVolt (832851) | about 4 months ago | (#45822571)

No.

Re:No. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822655)

Let's qualify this "no" answer. If you're a power user, a tablet isn't (today) going to get the job done. But if all you want to do is check email, browse websites, maybe play a few games, and so on, a tablet is just fine. I know many people that have quit using their desktops and notebooks because a tablet is all they need.

Desktops and notebooks have a place in the corporate world and other small businesses, and I don't see many geeks replacing their workstations with tablets. Certainly you can't effectively program on them yet and there is still a lot of software that requires a full Windows, OS X or Linux install. There may be a day when the tablet is the workstation and acts like a desktop when you're at your desk, and a tablet when you're not. But that is not quite here today for most people.

The desktop is not dead, and tablets have not replaced notebooks. But I think we can all envision a day when that is a distinct possibility.

Re:No. (3)

mlts (1038732) | about 4 months ago | (#45822907)

I might add a cautious exception to this. There are some x86 tablets (like the MS Surface Pro) which are coming along well enough that if they have a decent docking station that supports USB (for backup drives, keyboards and other HID items), a plug for a monitor, a Thunderbolt port or two for faster drives, it may be that a tablet can function as someone's sole computer. The video on newer x86 tablets won't handle the next Crysis iteration, but for most gaming, it is OK. With 8GB of RAM, that will do for a number of tasks, similar with the onboard SSD storage. To boot, it provides decent security, as BitLocker [1] is easy to enable.

So, for most tablets, I'd say "no" with qualifications as the parent. However, one can make an x86 tablet running Windows function identically to a desktop, so that would be a cautious exception.

[1]: Until MS gets a new BIOS rev, be careful on enabling the TPM PIN, as it won't be enterable on the display, and you will need to hit the volume-down (minus) rocket for the Surface Pro to scan for HID items. BitLocker will work just with the TPM, or with the TPM and a USB flash drive as usual.

Re:No. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822973)

There are some x86 tablets (like the MS Surface Pro) which are coming along well enough that if they have a decent docking station that supports USB (for backup drives, keyboards and other HID items), a plug for a monitor, a Thunderbolt port or two for faster drives, it may be that a tablet can function as someone's sole computer.

If I need a docking station, external backup drives, external keyboard, etc. then please explain why I'm even bothering with a tablet? Seriously, just get a laptop. Tablets are for people who don't need all that stuff, they are designed as a device used to consume content, not create it.

Re:No. (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 4 months ago | (#45823303)

Because you can use a tablet as a tablet. You can't use a laptop as a tablet.

A convertible tablet, e.g. Asus Transformer, can be used as either.

Re:No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45823091)

Desktops and laptops will remain ubiquitous in homes and workplaces. Tablets will supplement, but will never be able to have the same functionality or power to do the things that most people want to do.

For many Unix software developers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45823253)

a tablet with a physical keyboard might be sufficient especially when their work environment is at the terminal. I do most of my development work on a BlackBerry PlayBook and BlackBerry Bluetooth Mini-Keyboard, plus a Logitech Bluetooth mouse as appropriate, via an terminal session secured by SSH keys. At home I can connect the tablet to the HDMI port of my 22-inch monitor although more offer I just switch over to my Acer notebook which acts as my desktop computer connected to the same 22-inch monitor via HDMI.

Actually, Yes and No. (4, Insightful)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 4 months ago | (#45822715)

For most ordinary home users who go online to consume content and do brief chats/facebook/such, the answer can be a fairly easy "yes", so long as they're willing to ditch their old programs in exchange for apps. My wife did this in July by swapping to an iPad, and hasn't looked back. I think she used the bluetooth keyboard twice... meanwhile, it's replaced her PMP, camera, gaming console, and she watches movies with it on long road trips.

For crabby old tech types like me the answer is "hell no!" - I have way too much invested in CG/3D hobbyist bits and tools, I need the horsepower to render with, I type way too much, and in my estimation, screen real-estate is king. I'll stick with my MacBook Pro, thanks much.

In-between? Depends on whether or not you primarily consume content or primarily create it; therein lies your answer.

Re:Actually, Yes and No. (4, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 4 months ago | (#45822959)

I have an ASUS TransformerPad which has the advantage of a dockable keyboard with an extra battery in it, which is great for when I'm going to be spending a long time on trains / at airports / on planes, because the keyboard also works well as a stand and fits on the tray table in most places. It can play back films for 7 hours and can show PDFs and run vim. There's actually a nice LaTeX app for Android that will load the packages you use on demand (a feature I'd love to have on the desktop, to avoid the 2GB TeXLive download for the few MBs of LaTeX that I actually use, without having to manually work out what they and their dependencies are).

It doesn't replace a laptop, but it does augment it nicely.

Re:Actually, Yes and No. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822999)

so long as they're willing to ditch their old programs in exchange for apps

Applications ARE programs, using the shortened version of the word ("apps") doesn't change that.

Re:Actually, Yes and No. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45823289)

Customer: My computer needs help. Can you help me?
Tech Guy: Sure. What's wrong with your computer?
Customer: I need to download the apps.
Tech Guy: The apps?
Customer: Yes. Am I in the right place?
Tech Guy: I'm not sure.
Customer: Can you help me?
Tech Guy: I'm not sure. What do you need help with?
Customer: I need help removing my programs so I can have more room for my apps.
Tech Guy: You need, what?
Customer: Yes, my apps. And not just my apps, but the apps.
Tech Guy: Apps? Apps are just programs, which are applications, which are called 'apps'.
Customer: Is there an application I need to download so I can download the apps?
Tech Guy: My god, are you for real?
Customer: I need the apps. And not just any app, but the apps. From a store. Is this a store with apps?
Tech Guy: Well, yes, but ...
Customer: Then why don't you want me to have the apps? I need the apps.
Tech Guy: You need more than the apps.
Customer: I do? What else do I need? My friends didn't tell me about more, except for more apps.
Tech Guy: Your friends? What friends?
Customer: I have many friends. I can get you a count if it will help me get the apps.
Tech Guy: If I, what? I can't believe you are here asking for the apps.
Customer: You don't have the apps? I can't believe I'm here either if you don't have apps.
Tech Guy: I ... I ...
Customer: I will go to 7/11. I hear they have an app. Maybe the sell other apps. The apps. Do you have the WiFi? My map can't get reception here without an app.

Re:Actually, Yes and No. (1)

Max Littlemore (1001285) | about 4 months ago | (#45823011)

In my case it's it leans towards the yes. I just got one of the asus android transformers and so far it's working out far better than my old laptop. I've found quick development tasks much quicker and easier than using the laptop and it's really convenient that the battery lasts as long as it does and I can get up and wander around with just the screen when I need thinking/reading time. This is suitable of course because I am developing android software and I am not someone who likes sitting down when I solve complex problems.

I also have and will continue to use the desktop when I need real power because it handles heavy workloads without the thermal meltdowns of a laptop. Having ssh, xrdp and samba shares on the desktop machine also gives me the freedom to wander around with the tablet while doing heavy wokloads.

I dream of a time where tools like blender are set up so that the heavy lifting is done by a PC and the UI is a thin opengl es app on the tablet allowing multiple connections for collaboration. That would be delightful!

Re:Actually, Yes and No. (1)

Rob Y. (110975) | about 4 months ago | (#45823227)

For developers, I think tablets restore the viability of the desktop. Development should still be done on a desktop machine with a good keyboard, mouse and a big screen. Using a laptop for this is a pretty bad compromise. Sure, if you need the portability of your dev environment, there's no other good choice. But you probably already have a laptop that can do this stuff perfectly well - why buy another pricey 'all in one' device for that. It's just an evey worse compromise. Most developers work either at an office or at home - or can RDP into one of those desktops to work, either of which will certainly be more productive than a laptop or a 10 inch tablet (unless it's docked to desktop peripherals, which kind of makes my point...).

For stuff other than work, a tablet (yes, pure data consumption mode) makes more sense than a laptop. And a small, cheap tablet with a high-res screen (i.e. nexus 7) is perfect. You don't want your big dev machine on your lap to check your email or watch Netflix. Just because you can use a Windows 8 'tab-top' in this way, doesn't mean it's ideal in any sense of the word. Unless you absolutely need to run MSOffice or PowerPoint on the go (and I guess there are some that do), a cheap tablet beats trying to lug an X86 Windows device of any kind around with you. It's too big, too heavy, and too expensive.

Re:No. (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 4 months ago | (#45822731)

The only thing my tablet is replacing, is my Nintendo DS.

Tablets are for point-and-click games (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 months ago | (#45823219)

The only thing my tablet is replacing, is my Nintendo DS.

How so? The DS has games like New Super Mario Bros. where the player runs and jumps on platforms and shoots enemies. Last time I checked, a tablet was good for point-and-click games and single-button timing games but horrible for anything else.* Which developer has figured out a useful way to control platformers on the flat sheet of glass that is a tablet's input device?

* I'm referring to tablets that people are likely to own, not obscure gaming tablets by JXD.

Yes they are. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822769)

Many medical jobs have moved to tablets.

Upper management that only needs to email and read documents have also moved to tablets - usually iPads.

Tablets are a better fit for many jobs.

Notebooks are are bulkier, use a desktop OS on an underpowered hardware in many cases and in the case of Chromebook, it's just a cheap substitute for folks who can't afford a laptop.

Wrong (5, Insightful)

The Cat (19816) | about 4 months ago | (#45822595)

Two different tools for two different tasks. Tablets are consumption tools. Computers are production tools.

The end.

I hate that word "consumption" (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 months ago | (#45822745)

I'm not a fan of the word "consumption". It sounds more like either using something up or tuberculosis than like the meaning people tend to use it for in PC vs. tablet discussions, which is viewing works created by others. But as people shift viewing activity to tablets, the PC market could end up losing the economies of scale that it currently enjoys, and more low-end PC categories might go the way of the netbook (affordable 10" laptops discontinued a year ago in favor of higher-margin tablets). This might make it harder for hobbyist authors to get started creating.

Re:I hate that word "consumption" (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about 4 months ago | (#45823055)

Perhaps "reception" might be better received as the purpose of the devices? More in line with radios and TVs, but with a few more features that make them like two way radios with board games built in.

Consumption vs Creation (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45822821)

Two different tools for two different tasks. Tablets are consumption tools. Computers are production tools.

The end.

Ironically its not true, we suddenly have Devices that people are comfortable creating in creating twitter; taking pictures and editing them, discussing *everything*. I notice the latest craze is creating comics.

Re:Consumption vs Creation (2, Insightful)

ApplePy (2703131) | about 4 months ago | (#45823083)

Devices that people are comfortable creating in creating twitter;

"Creating twitter"?

That's about as much "creating" as is "creating" a turd from the contents of my colon.

Re: Wrong (2)

AvitarX (172628) | about 4 months ago | (#45822827)

Could you say that about computers so firmly in 2008?

Tablets are replacing a large percentage of computers. My household has 50% the computers it had back then.

Re: Wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822861)

Are you saying that tablets are not computers?

Some tablets are computers (1)

tepples (727027) | about 4 months ago | (#45822985)

Android tablets are general-purpose computers. iPad and Windows RT tablets are computerized appliances.

Re: Wrong (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about 4 months ago | (#45822991)

> Are you saying that tablets are not computers?

Tablets are PCs masquerading as appliances.

They're like a Tivo. Sure, it's technically a computer but full access to the hardware and software are closed off to you.

Re:Wrong (1)

purpledinoz (573045) | about 4 months ago | (#45822937)

But many people are just consumers, so they are probably opting for the tablet rather than a laptop. Also, it's simple economics. You get a better screen for a lot less money. Have you ever tried buying a laptop with a good screen lately? They're mostly $1K+.... You can get a 1920x1200 kindle fire for $230. That's a friggin bargain compared to a laptop with the same screen resolution. I hope the laptop makers get destroyed by tablets, and finally force them to bring out laptops with good screens for a good price.

Re:Wrong (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 4 months ago | (#45822995)

Tablets are consumption tools. Computers are production tools.

Only true if you are limited in consider "production" (creation) as a text only activity. For most other kinds of creation, a tablet is far better than a classic computer.

Also, most classic computers are used mostly for consumption. So the flip side of your dichotomy doesn't work either.

Re:Wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45823085)

Tablets are consumption tools.

Yeah, tablets are much better, although I still prefer to use knife&fork or chopsticks.

Personally I love tablets (1)

toygeek (473120) | about 4 months ago | (#45822605)

They've lowered the street price of used laptops enough that I can buy a workable 15" laptop for $15 and install CrunchBang Linux on it and use it for everything I could need, save for gaming. The project that I did this with is working out beautifully, even using it for work:

http://www.tidbitsfortechs.com/2013/12/project-5050-a-low-budget-linux-laptop/ [tidbitsfortechs.com]

Then again, Tablets Are Not Computers. Not yet, anyway.

Re:Personally I love tablets (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 4 months ago | (#45822795)

I'm running CrunchBang on an old packard bell R1936 laptop with much lower specs and it runs quite well.
CrunchBang is an excellent distro for making old laptops useful again.

Re:Personally I love tablets (1)

thebes (663586) | about 4 months ago | (#45822929)

Define useful...I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Re:Personally I love tablets (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 4 months ago | (#45823121)

"useful" as in "I'm using it".
It lets my old laptop be a handy webbrowser or an extra screen.

Re:Personally I love tablets (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 4 months ago | (#45823001)

I bought a machine with similar specs (second hand) for £100 around 2006, so I don't think you can credit tablets with the fact that second-hand laptops have fallen in price by a factor of 3-4 over 6-7 years.

News for Nerds? (3, Insightful)

Golgafrinchan (777313) | about 4 months ago | (#45822611)

What a strange article to post on Slashdot. I wasn't aware that a fairly basic "this is what tablets do, and here's a brief buying guide" article qualifies as "News for Nerds."

Re:News for Nerds? (3, Insightful)

SethJohnson (112166) | about 4 months ago | (#45822707)

I thought exactly the same thing. It's like the staff at Slashdot don't recognize that its audience would collectively know a million times more about this topic than the goofball at "tabtimes.com" would.

This kind of post is disrespectful to the audience. It's the kind of thing that drives it away and then you're left with mainstream audience who doesn't know crap about tablets. How profitable is advertising to them? Probably not as much as advertising to people who routinely configure Cisco routers or select cloud platforms for enterprise application deployments.

Re:News for Nerds? (5, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 4 months ago | (#45822843)

Who cares? It's not like we read TFA (or for that matter, TFS) anyway.

They could just post "Boo" and we'd go on about ... something.

Re:News for Nerds? (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 4 months ago | (#45822831)

It's an advertisement otherwise referred to as "Slashvertisements". They have gotten much more brazen after the Dice.com purchase. "TabTimes" looks like nothing but a bunch of junk thrown together to get as many ad impressions as possible. It is mostly vacuous nonsense.

Re:News for Nerds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45823041)

What a strange article to post on Slashdot. I wasn't aware that a fairly basic "this is what tablets do, and here's a brief buying guide" article qualifies as "News for Nerds."

It results in some free page hits on this guy's shitty little youtube channel. So I guess it matters to HIM, and thus qualifies under the "stuff that matters".

Re:News for Nerds? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 4 months ago | (#45823089)

Well, I rarely see them anywhere, so it is sort of news to know what they can do :-) Honest, I don't drink coffee so I don't know what sorts of weird shennanigans happen at coffee shops, but in the real world I've only seen a few tablets which was just after ipad announced but none recently (except for dedicated ebook readers).
But then the article is pointless anyway since people who don't know much about tablets don't care to know more about tablets, so it feels like advertising to me.

Its like the Return of Jon Katz (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45823279)

If current Slashdotters remember those dark years of LOUDLY BLEATING THE OBVIOUS

Hideous website - tabtimes (2)

QuesarVII (904243) | about 4 months ago | (#45822629)

I tried checking out the tabtimes website but immediately closed it. It looks like 1 giant ad.

Re:Hideous website - tabtimes (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 4 months ago | (#45822805)

Ye Gods...

At first I was about to demand your geek card for not using ABP and DoNotTrackMe browser extensions/add-ons. Then I saw the site.

Garish is word entirely insufficient to describe the crap layout of that website. Dunno who thought it would be somehow cool to replicate the Metro interface as a website, but whoever did should be taken out back and beaten senseless with a worn-out SCSI-2 full-height hard disk.

Re:Hideous website - tabtimes (1)

phoenix03 (3348193) | about 4 months ago | (#45822891)

Apparently tabtimes.com is planning to capitalize on the great success (lol) of Windows 8 but taking part of Metro and smearing it all over a website. Or, put another way, they threw Windows 8's design at a website to see if it'd stick.

Maybe not replaced, but ruined the market (3, Interesting)

dalias (1978986) | about 4 months ago | (#45822671)

Ever since tablets got popular, it's been almost impossible to find a decent notebook. Everybody's playing conservative and going for bottom-level pricing, ugly oversided junk models, and/or the gamer market. What happened to the 10" models with 8-12 hour batteries? Or anything with a screen resolution over 1366x768? I'm waiting for a notebook (real keyboard, usb ports, etc.) with DPI and battery life that come anywhere near what tablets have nowadays, and it looks like I'm going to keep waiting... P.S. Please refrain from replies referring to any sort of fruit...

Re:Maybe not replaced, but ruined the market (1)

redmid17 (1217076) | about 4 months ago | (#45822725)

Netbooks got turfed about 3 years ago. You can get the new version of those 11" Airs, Surface Pros, Android type tablets with a full keyboard. They are more expensive than the netbooks were in general, but they are there. Same with the resolution. You can get better than 1366x768, but you have to pony up for it. Netbooks generally had bad resolution anyway, so you're not losing much there. Get a chromebook and slap a big SD card in it. USB 3, HDMI, 12/32 GB SSD, real keyboard are all included. Those are typically sub $300, though the resolution on the cheapest ones is going to be a pain point for you with the same resolution you dislike.

Re:Maybe not replaced, but ruined the market (3, Informative)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about 4 months ago | (#45822787)

Indeed. I'm a big netbook fan, and good netbooks have all but disappeared. I dread the day my 2 current netbooks die because I fear I'll have nothing to replace them with.

The arrival of tablets and their touchscreen UI also have another nasty side effect: it's completely impossible to find a laptop with a matte (frosted, non-touchscreen) screen. All the screens out there are shiny and extremely nasty to do actual work with, because of reflections.

All this would be good and well if tablets could replace laptops (as in: buy a tablet, a keyboard and a mouse, and you have a laptop). Trouble is, you can't: their very touch event-driven UI makes using a mouse with them completely stupid - try hovering over something with a bluetooth mouse connected to a tablet: nothing happens. Keyboard locales too are handled catastrophically, since most of the work is done on on-screen soft keyboards.

So, tablets are great if used strictly as tablet. Trouble is, tablets aren't any good to do actual work, save for very specialized applications. And the tools to do real work have been killed by tablets.

That sucks...

Re:Maybe not replaced, but ruined the market (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 4 months ago | (#45822847)

Well... netbooks are dead, so that's out. Not sure if the HP Mini is still around, but that's what I last had and it worked nicely w/ Ubuntu on it.

I think Dell and HP figured out that since consumers make up a tiny portion of their market, and since corporate models doesn't need all that much, well, screw making badassed laptops anymore... If Alienware wasn't so obsessed with size-uber-alles (for gaming), well...

(as per your request, I'll leave out mentioning the MB Air .)

Re:Maybe not replaced, but ruined the market (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822869)

Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro, QHD+ screen (3200x1800pix).

Re:Maybe not replaced, but ruined the market (1)

mlts (1038732) | about 4 months ago | (#45822981)

Unfortunately, for some notebook items, you will have to pay through the nose for it. Dell Latitudes have some decent options... but you will be paying over a thousand for one, especially once you hit the ultrabook tier.

Of course, touch screens are becoming standard issue in laptops (which to me is pointless since it is easier to use a keyboard/trackpad than smudge the screen up... but to each his/her own.)

Re:Maybe not replaced, but ruined the market (1)

l3v1 (787564) | about 4 months ago | (#45823007)

"Ever since tablets got popular, it's been almost impossible to find a decent notebook."

So right. There are some good ones, but much less to choose from then we could a few years ago. Thats why I'm happy I got an xps13 when it came out, still using it, especially when I'm travelling since I'm much more productive with it than with any tablet. I just hope that when I'll have to ditch it there will still be some decent notebooks to pick from (I'm not too optimistic though).

when the $38 tablet arrives (1)

Presto Vivace (882157) | about 4 months ago | (#45822673)

things will really changed. You will still need computers for serious production, but the $38 tablet [pcmag.com] may take over as the home computer.

Re:when the $38 tablet arrives (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822793)

They already arrived. micro center has them

Jeeze! (1)

Bigbutt (65939) | about 4 months ago | (#45822679)

That was a headache to read.

First off, I thought the iPad was a logical extension of the iPhone not a whole cloth creation. Even at the time we were saying it was just a bigger iPhone.

Next. I don't think the table will replace the notebook/laptop for the folks who create. Sure, I can type a lot even with a keyboard on my iPad however I absolutely do not want to create websites on it. I certainly don't want to use OpenOffice on a Nook.

Third, the individual apps for each news organization, on-line marketplace, or forum isn't something I'm a fan of. In particular the individual sites have a bigger lock on your eyes. They can present advertising without a way to block it when coming through an app. Plus it's just one more thing that's potentially running on my iPad. I'd rather keep it to the websites and use the app for problematic sites like Facebook which regularly crashes Safari.

[John]

Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822681)

Someday tablets might be good enough to replace laptops, but right now they're basically just for consuming content and not creating it, or fixing real problems. Luckily since the vast majority of computer users just consume content rather than create it, tablets are a great fit for the masses at large.

Timely article (3, Insightful)

grub (11606) | about 4 months ago | (#45822685)


Only a few weeks ago I was in a meeting. There were 2 laptops and 6 iPads in the room. I think that was the first time I saw 3x more tablets in a meeting of that size (or at least that I remember noticing)

Re:Timely article (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 4 months ago | (#45822737)

Only a few weeks ago I was in a meeting. There were 2 laptops and 6 iPads in the room. I think that was the first time I saw 3x more tablets in a meeting of that size (or at least that I remember noticing)

I've started to see this at work also, but were they creating content, or just consuming it?

Re:Timely article (1)

grub (11606) | about 4 months ago | (#45822799)

I don't know what every single person was doing, but some (myself included) did have budget spreadsheets open that we were sent. At least on my own iPad those were being actively edited.

I've often sat in meeting with mine and used SSH or VNC to devices I manage.

Re:Timely article (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 4 months ago | (#45822875)

The words 'meeting' and 'work' tend not to be used concurrently. I'll bet a significant number of the iPads were running Angry Birds.

Re:Timely article (1)

Holi (250190) | about 4 months ago | (#45823237)

I can tell you that the CEO at JWT only has an iPad anymore, and for most executives that's all they need, just something to email with. A full blown PC is wasted on most people.

Re:Timely article (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 4 months ago | (#45822811)

It's quite normal for meetings to have only 25% of people actually needing to be in the meeting..

Re:Timely article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45823207)

Wow. Your company has a lot of DBs on the payroll.

Um, no. (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 4 months ago | (#45822709)

Until the Adobe Creative Suite runs reasonably well on a tablet, then no.

Subscription service (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45822873)

Until the Adobe Creative Suite runs reasonably well on a tablet, then no.

Very few actually care about adobe products, now flash is dead(WTF happened to Gnash). In fact going forward not Adobe is moving towards Web DRM. How many people will suddenly become Gimp advocates.

In fact with failing Apple and Windows Sales they are creating tablet versions of their software. If they had any sense they should have had a Linux versions forever ago.

Re:Subscription service (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 4 months ago | (#45823095)

Regarding flash, an astounding number of sites still use it, especially to play video, and there doesn't seem to be much sign of that changing. But I wasn't talking about flash.

I've been using Gimp since point-something, and it's gone a long way, but I still need Photoshop and Lightroom for my work. Yes, I'm really not looking forward to the web version, (I don't necessarily have internet access in the field) and that may make me look at alternatives. But at least for now, Adobe CS is the killer tablet app for me. And don't say Windows 8. Just don't.

Not a replacement (1)

JohnFen (1641097) | about 4 months ago | (#45822719)

Tablets are fine as a media consumption device, and for many (most?) people, that's all they need. But once you add everything you need to be truly useful (keyboard & mouse + maybe more local storage), you have a notebook in a much less convenient form.

Only with a stylus are they useful. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822739)

Tablets, outside of a stylus, are atrocious and simply not worth the money.
And even then, if the screen is shitty finger-mashing quality without the precision for a stylus, it is pointless.

I use my tablet quite often for drawing instead of using a graphics tablet.
I also USE it as a graphics tablet too via VNC and PC. (which gets like 15-ish FPS, decent enough for drawing)
Also some programming and webdev stuff too. It has increased my productivity considerably.
Equally I also take netbook and tablet with me on holiday and replicate the same system.
I also use said netbook as a router and internet connection source using a wireless dongle.

I can say for certain the only laptop I would ever be buying is this: Eurocom Model Configuration.
Only with that would I safely retire my desktop. (including my new desktop about to be build, which still gets dwarved in comparison to this laptop)
Well, maybe, maybe if someone made a good Steam laptop, maybe. But that is a stretch.

Yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822751)

Yes, I find that they're useful for travelling and using around the house. I was torn between buying a Note 3 (or Mega) and the Tab 3 8, but found that I could get both the Tab 3 8 and the S4 for about the same price. I'd rather have one device, but I'm patient and can wait for prices to come down.

Have to say that the Tab 3 8 is great as a gaming device (for certain games obviously - I also have a PS Vita). All in all, I'm quite satisfied insofar as it being a 'consuming' device (Netflix, Spotify, web browsing, etc.). but I certainly wouldn't use it for creating anything. I still (and will continue to) use the PC/laptop for that.

Depends... (1)

Chuckstar (799005) | about 4 months ago | (#45822763)

Depends on the use case and exactly what ones means by "replacing". Within six months of the iPad's release, none of the senior execs at my company carried their laptop out of the office anymore. They still have laptops, though. So Dell still gets to sell them a new laptop every few years. But the requirements of that laptop have declined. It no longer needs a DVD drive to play movies on long flights. They no longer ask for the most cutting-edge thin/light model laptop, since they rarely carry it around.

Personally, though, I find that the tablet is a personal accessory, not a device to do real work on. I use my tablet for reading, light web surfing, games, movies. I still need a keyboard and mouse/trackpad to really do work (anything more than reading email and making short replies just doesn't work on a tablet for me). Even if I really need to do some research on the web (like car shopping) where I want to be able to have lots of pages open and shift between them quickly, I do that on my laptop.

I would guess, therefore, that tablets don't crowd out laptops very much, but they might change what laptop people buy, and maybe even how often they replace them. Maybe you keep your existing laptop longer. Maybe you don't buy the thinnest/lightest new laptop, but instead buy the slightly bulkier, less expensive model. So I think it does affect laptop manufacturers, but it is unlikely to show up as a lot of users who once owned laptops but now do not.

Tablets have a place in your bag (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822783)

But not in replacement of a laptop.

I have a big powerful laptop more of a mobile workstation, a smaller yet powerful laptop for carrying about when I need laptop capabilities, such as in the field photography and editing/storage etc and a tablet, for when I cant be arsed with either laptops and just sit in cafes sipping coffee and trolling the web and maybe facebook updating.

What MAY replace my smaller laptop, is a hybrid laptop/tablet in a small formfactor with laptop power and ease of use with touch screen, that is why PC makers are pushing PC+ with running Android apps sandboxed IN windows combine that with a fold back/twist around touch screen, then youre talking but only for the carry about. Not the real workstation power laptops on the desk, and between countries / offices / houses.

Power Overrated (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45823297)

I have a big powerful laptop more of a mobile workstation, a smaller yet powerful laptop for carrying

My Phone is more powerful(sic) than my PC it has less storage and screen real estate, and my next phone will likely be several times more powerful(sic)

Not for people with work to do (1)

WOOFYGOOFY (1334993) | about 4 months ago | (#45822789)

However, they are expanding the market for computers generally considered. Like everyone else, I have a bunch of each and will continue to do so into the foreseeable future.

Oh and, Long Live Desktop Computers with replaceable, chooseable parts.

Not for your job maybe (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45823283)

It might not replace jobs where a keyboard+mouse input is required for vast quantiles of text input or serious pointing nailed to a desk, but many jobs require you to walk around and consume information(or simple imput), and require you to have a similar device e.g doctor; teacher; pupil, warehouse worker etc etc.

Um, yeah (3, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | about 4 months ago | (#45822807)

From the first link in the summary: Last July, during an interview with Charlie Rose, Bill Gates explained that Jobs "did some things better than I did. His timing in terms of when it came out, the engineering work, just the package that was put together. The tablets we had done before, weren't as thin, they weren't as attractive."

Well yeah, plus, anyone who has used Windows XP Tablet Edition will tell you, it really didn't have tablet support. The "tablet features" were repurposed Accessibility features and they really didn't work very well. What Apple brought to the table was that a touch-only interface, to be intuitive and easy to use, couldn't be merely a bunch of cabalistic gestures that mimicked the actions of a three button mouse. Had Microsoft started *then* on a touch-only gui, instead of trying to shoehorn in the KVM-centric GUI of XP, maybe things would have been different.

Battery Life (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45823239)

Well yeah, plus, anyone who has used Windows XP Tablet Edition will tell you, it really didn't have tablet support.

Having used one myself the biggest drawback was battery life...ans the solution to this was ARM.

Compete on Price (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45822845)

Why is nobody mentioning the massive mark-up that Microsoft and Intel have, walking around with their 60-70% Profit Margins. The bottom line is PC's are poor value compared to Android tablets. The success of competing on price is the massive growth of Chromebooks...which have already overtaken Mac even without it being a mature platform.

thingy's law (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 4 months ago | (#45822853)

Maybe, maybe not.

I suspect that number of people will find it moderately easy to either agree or disagree with that. Probably.

I need (want) both! (1)

Bruinwar (1034968) | about 4 months ago | (#45822867)

Yes, a Windows notebook that is also a tablet! So I can log on to my VPN (only from Windows, blame my IT dept.). Plus I need to be able to use Creo 2.0 (CAD software, again Windows only). I have a nice, high end notebook machine with a good graphics chipset but it's a boat anchor with about 45 mins battery life. & it takes up a ton of space. For any real work, it's gotta be the notebook. But for some fast, simple changes, I could get away with an Intel 4000 series graphics chipset.

So what I want is a combo notebook/tablet. The Surface2 Pro is appealing but pricey. The others out there, like Lenovo's Yoga series appear to be better for slightly less money. So when my gal & I are drinking coffee on Sunday morning, I got a nice, FAST tablet. But if I got some work I gotta do, no more lugging around that monster notebook, the combo machine can do both.

I'm still in the want-not-need mode so I haven't talked myself into it (yet!). These things are still around $800+...

Re:I need (want) both! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45823141)

>So I can log on to my VPN (only from Windows, blame my IT dept.)

That's easy to work around. I connect my Android tablet to a Windows PC at home using Splashtop, then remote from that PC into Citrix at work.

Oh wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822913)

Wow! What are these "Tablet" things people are talking about?

Long History. (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45823223)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_computer [wikipedia.org]

Here is the wikipedia entry to quote "A tablet computer, or simply tablet, is a mobile computer with display, circuitry and battery in a single unit. Tablets are equipped with sensors, including cameras, microphone, accelerometer and touchscreen, with finger or stylus gestures replacing computer mouse and keyboard."

Absolutely not (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822927)

A tablet is a burden to do all but the basics such as reading books, web pages, etc. You can listen to music and videos on the go.

Tablets are NOT the future of computing. They are the future of on the go short term light weight computing.

What have the Romans Done? (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45823195)

A tablet is a burden to do all but the basics such as reading books, web pages, etc. You can listen to music and videos on the go.

Tablets are NOT the future of computing. They are the future of on the go short term light weight computing.

So do you not see its because of the (fucking) internet (notice the correct use of swearword for emphasis), Books; Movies and Music..with the massive advantage of probability Tablets. In fact the reality is what they can't do that you need is kind of limited.

Can I have my 20 minutes back? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45822943)

Long, boring advertisement.
Long, boring video.

People don't just "consume" (1)

Cro Magnon (467622) | about 4 months ago | (#45822945)

I keep hearing that tablets are good for "Joe Sixpack" because he just consumes content. That's not quite true. Posting on a forum, explaining why the previous poster is an idiot is creating content, and even that can be a PITA on a tablet/phone. I don't see tablets replacing laptops anytime soon.

Re:People don't just "consume" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45823191)

I keep hearing that tablets are good for "Joe Sixpack" because he just consumes content. That's not quite true. Posting on a forum, explaining why the previous poster is an idiot is creating content, and even that can be a PITA on a tablet/phone. I don't see tablets replacing laptops anytime soon.

What people mean is that the average user is not doing any "heavy lifting". You have to stretch pretty hard to qualify writing an email, posting something on twitter, or clicking "like" on your mom's cute cat pictures on Facebook "creating content". Ya sure, I guess if we get really technical it is, but it's extremely lightweight activity.

It's kind of like saying that a moped or scooter isn't going to replace cars any time soon because people don't haul cargo on a scooter. Technically the guy who grabbed a six-pack of beer from the gas station is "hauling cargo" on his scooter, but most people understand that there's a BIG difference between grabbing some small item vs. packing the car full of groceries or the truck full of camping gear.

All will continue to exist. (1)

cfulton (543949) | about 4 months ago | (#45823005)

We have let me count...3 tablets, 3 phones, 1 ipod, 3 laptops and one iMac in my household. We use them all. We use them for different purposes and reasons.
Books, recipes, pictures, casting to the new Chomecast -- Tablet.
Phone, pictures, taking it with you -- Phone.
Home work, work work, email, shopping. -- Laptop.
My development environment -- iMac.
I don't get why the success of one thing means the death of another. Ok I get the car means the horse and buggy are on the way out. But, TV didn't kill radio or movies. I'm thinking that in the future we will have devices of all shapes and sizes waiting for us everywhere.

A lesson in bad web design (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45823031)

That is one of THE worst website designs I've seen in since the Slashdot beta.

meow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#45823037)

I was going to type up a witty reply, but couldn't be bothered to try and tap it out on my Mac'sI pad.

It's a product, not leverage to sell other product (1)

Solandri (704621) | about 4 months ago | (#45823131)

you see a lot more [tablets] than you did five years ago, when it seemed like Bill Gates was the only person who had one, which he tried to show off as often as he could

The problem with Microsoft's tablet vision is that they saw it as an driving force for Windows sales. They tried to make sure every tablet they sold was also another sale of Windows. Consequently your low-end laptop cost $750 (back then), the average laptop around $1300, and a Tablet PC cost north of $2000.

The early success of netbooks should've been a huge clue that there was a lot of pent-up demand for a low-cost simple (i.e. no complicated or expensive Windows) consumption-only device. The early netbooks tapped into that (before Microsoft successfully converted them into full-blown Windows machines, after which they died). So did the iPad.

I'd been using Tablet PCs since around 2004. I first bought one for a client (he wanted it for data entry at his veterinary clinic without having to take notes, then re-enter them into a desktop computer). I was so impressed I bought one for myself. So I got to see the benefits and the warts first-hand long before the iPad. I correctly predicted a simple tablet would be successful if it hit the $500 mark (and incorrectly predicted Apple would price theirs around $800). Unlike a lot of naysayers, I thought the format had a lot of potential. UPS and FedEx custom-designing their own tablet-scanner type devices for their delivery personnel was a pretty strong indicator.

IMHO tablets will really take off when they hit ~$100-$150. That's about the point where the price is negligible for businesses, and tablets will begin to take over their true competition - not laptops but clipboards. Like my client in 2004, the real benefit here is eliminating double data entry. Why write stuff on a clipboard, then enter it into a database later, when you can just enter it straight into the database while you're walking around the workplace? Why print out a bunch of stuff and carry the papers around in a folder/clipboard, when you can just view the files directly on a tablet? That's the real "killer app" tablets bring to the game. Being able to browse the web like a laptop is just a fringe benefit.

NDP Sales Figures...Yes unless you are Apple (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 4 months ago | (#45823161)

https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/u-s-commercial-channel-computing-device-sales-set-to-end-2013-with-double-digit-growth-according-to-npd/ [npd.com]

These are end of year sales figures in the American Market. What seems to be wining is Good Value. Overpriced Tablets and PC's from Apple/Microsoft are losing out to Android\Chromebooks, and still there is a shift(For many) toward tablets. I think we are seeing the overpriced Wintel/Apple computers(including iPads) being replaced with good value Chrome\Android with Tablets winning where ARM/Keyboard-less less of an issue over increased portability and price.

Of course we can ignore sales figures.

Business Use Growing Fast (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | about 4 months ago | (#45823255)

Sales, medical, Medicare workers, government, retail and others I see are showing up with iPads literally every day.

You don't need to use a laptop-netbook-keyboard to enter a name or date or answers to a few questions or a food order at your local burger joint. iPads are pervasive.

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