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Still not accepting responsibility (2, Interesting)

Mr_Huber (160160) | more than 12 years ago | (#2121604)

Anyone notice how he shifted part of the blame on the reader for not seeing the joke in the name? He still isn't completely accepting responsibility for his actions. It is still partially the reader's fault for not seeing through his deception. It is still the reader's fault for being offended by the content of his posts.

He is trying to blow this off as a misunderstanding between a well-intentioned editor trying to liven up the site and a few stodgy killjoys who didn't get the joke immediantly. He seems to think this is like some practical joke that went awry and that a smirking apology will fix the situation.

He still does not understand that deception has no place in responsible journalism.

Has anyone at SLASHDOT ever ASTROTURFED? (2)

BroadbandBradley (237267) | more than 12 years ago | (#2121606)

well it seems like it'd be a real big tremptation to watch a forum all day and not interject something randomly to stir the coals... how about it, has it ever happend here?

Re:Has anyone at SLASHDOT ever ASTROTURFED? (0, Flamebait)

CommanderTaco (85921) | more than 12 years ago | (#2128684)

i've NEVER astroturfed here! "Watch a forum all day"? Remember, we don't even read our own site! Bunch of stupid linux zealots... cut your hair, lose the sandals and get real jobs, ya hippies.

-- CmdrTaco

Re:Has anyone at SLASHDOT ever ASTROTURFED? (3, Funny)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#2149180)

tremptation

A-ha! I've caught Taco astroturfing slashdot!

He was caught! (0, Redundant)

Grim Grepper (452375) | more than 12 years ago | (#2122786)

Well of course he's apologizing now... he was caught! If he hadn't been caught, do you think he'd be apologizing? Hell no. He's not sorry about his actions, he's just sorry he got caught.

I doubt that this weak apology will restore the site's credibility, either.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2122847)

oink

To sum up.... (2, Funny)

Dr. Smeegee (41653) | more than 12 years ago | (#2122849)

"I thought you all _knew_ I was a liar!"

do = end ; repeat ; #@ +1 ; Interesting @# (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150529)

Backreferencing to earlier stories is a cheap
way to generate future stories.

Story n ; story n+1 ; story n+k
....
Proved.

Respectfully,

Woot_spork!

Wrong type of apology, bucko (5, Insightful)

fobbman (131816) | more than 12 years ago | (#2123815)

I sincerely apologize to those of you who were offended by my actions.

Mom: Now Kevin, apologize to Suzie for what you did!

Kevin: I'm sorry that you don't like your pigtails dipped in permanent ink, Suzie.

He's apologizing that we were offended by his actions, not for his actions themselves. Big difference there.

This is pathetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2124171)

He thought we'd know it was an alias? Oh really? And how were we supposed to know it was Kevin Reichard, an internet.com editor, and not just some random bozo making up the name? That "explanation" doesn't even pass the cringe test.

This is precisely the kind the bush-league, wannabe journalism that Linux doesn't need or want. It makes everyone associated with Linux look amateurish.

Dodging the real point (4, Interesting)

xonker (29382) | more than 12 years ago | (#2124437)

He doesn't even mention the other points, like trying to avoid linking to competing sites.

LinuxToday used to have value because they posted *everything* and you could go there to quickly find anything going on in the Linux world. Now that's no longer the case.

Not surprisingly Internet.com has ruined them, and just about every other Linux property they touched. Reichard should be promptly fired, but instead he'll probably stay there until Internet.com folds or does away with the Linux channel. I hope this indiscretion travels with him so no one else is foolish enough to hire him.

Interestingly, the apology is under "normal news" so they don't even seem to consider it important enough to put at the top of the site.

Considering (4, Interesting)

geomcbay (263540) | more than 12 years ago | (#2128990)

Considering how tame most of the LinuxToday talkbacks to his apology are, I think its safe to say they plan to continue censoring posts that oppose the views of the editors...

Considering THIS post, to the LT talkback:

Thank you for the apology. Here is one reader who appreciates it and will continue to recommend Linux Today as _the_ premier news site for all things Linux.

Cheers,

Caleb

How much do you want to bet Kevin Reichard is still posting under assumed names? I mean c'mon, at least be more subtle!

Re:Considering (2, Interesting)

qslack (239825) | more than 12 years ago | (#2123747)

That post could also be from someone who wanted to make you think he was still astroturfing...just a thought.

5th (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2149084)

dimension posting. w000t!!

As if a /. editor has ANY room to talk (1, Flamebait)

gamorck (151734) | more than 12 years ago | (#2149227)

I guess its okay for the /. editors to mod a post pointing out their flaws down into the nine realm of hell - but its bad that this LT guy astroturfed?

Im sorry - thats just BS. You people ought to check up on what happened with the string of articles last time /. went down (the OSDN router outage thing). /. editors were modding down anti slashdot posts LEFT AND FUCKING RIGHT to -1 within seconds of their posting.

A good example would be what will happen to this post within around 45 seconds from the time it hits the article. It'll be down to -1 and my karma will keep on sliding down down down.... (Im already at -5, can it get any lower?)

Gam
"Flame at Will"

Re:As if a /. editor has ANY room to talk (2)

Skuto (171945) | more than 12 years ago | (#2122908)

>I guess its okay for the /. editors to mod a
>post pointing out their flaws down into the nine
>realm of hell - but its bad that this LT guy
>astroturfed?

The really sad thing is of course that this is completely true, as has already been demonstrated. (you're at 0, Troll at the time of this posting).

The Somethingawful debacle is another nice example. Everything that remotely indicated slashdot could have done something wrong was -1 within seconds.

'We are slashdot. We are hypocrites'

--
GCP (come on, mod me down, see if I care)

Circular reasoning anyone? (5, Insightful)

FreeUser (11483) | more than 12 years ago | (#2149394)

The really sad thing is of course that this is completely true, as has already been demonstrated.

ahem. Basic logic please.

It does not follow that, because moderators have moderated the parent to your post down to zero, that those moderators were slashdot editors. Far more likely that slashdot readers with moderator priveleges modded the post down as the flaimbait it certainly appeared to be (to me at least, although I do not have moderator priveleges right now).

The slashdot editors are the ones who decide which stories get posted (decisions I disagree with as often as not BTW), not those readers who happen to have moderator priveleges at a given moment.

Re:Circular reasoning anyone? (1)

Skuto (171945) | more than 12 years ago | (#2149665)

>The slashdot editors are the ones who decide which stories get posted (decisions I disagree
>with as often as not BTW), not those readers who happen to have moderator priveleges at a given moment.

Slashdot editors _do_ moderate. Either that, or by some magic all moderators had the exact same ideas at the somethingawful.com messup.

I agree that the parent could have been modded down by readers. The end result stays, namely that any post on slashdot which gives the remote hint that slashdot could have done something wrong is usually quickly at -1, no matter how factual it is.

--
GCP

Re:As if a /. editor has ANY room to talk (1)

CommanderTaco (85921) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150389)

just curious - what is the "somethingawful debacle" you're referring to?

Re:As if a /. editor has ANY room to talk (3, Interesting)

Skuto (171945) | more than 12 years ago | (#2149489)

Slashdot posted a link to a site which already had trouble paying its bandwidth. Of course it was slashdotted into oblivion. The owner responded by redirecting all slashdotters to goatse.cx.

Every post which said something about this was modded down instantly, and the front page claimed
'link removed because people were being redirected randomly'.

Randomly eh?

--
GCP

get a new username (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150091)

one of mine has a karma of -8 and the other 37 :)

Re:get a new username (-1, Offtopic)

gamorck (151734) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150285)

Have fun at the cap. That makes me wonder is there a karma uncap? :-) If there is - Im due to smack right into it REAL SOON I suspect.

Gam
"Flame at Will"

Re:As if a /. editor has ANY room to talk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150392)

Mine have -6 and 42 respectively

Re:As if a /. editor has ANY room to talk (3, Insightful)

reflective recursion (462464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150544)

modding down? haha. I remember times when posts and even whole _threads_ were removed completely. ("technical difficulties" I believe was an excuse)

Re:As if a /. editor has ANY room to talk (2, Funny)

gamorck (151734) | more than 12 years ago | (#2134528)

Have you looked at Tacos code lately? That may have actually been a legitimate excuse :-)

Gam
"Karma Hell Here I Come"

Contrivance? Sure. (4, Interesting)

TOTKChief (210168) | more than 12 years ago | (#2149377)

Yeah, I could see "George Tirebiter" being a contrivance. It's about as blaringly screaming "ignore me, I'm a mo-ron" as "Anonymous Coward". But for someone in charge to be doing it...guh.

A few years back when I worked for TOTK.com Sports, I had a fellow staff member fake some email [or so he thought] from the current President of the United States. It sounded just a bit too much like this one guy...and when I traced it out, it was him. I "fired" [in the sense that I never let him write again] him on the spot. Though we were "new media", I wasn't going to put up with pointless bullshit. Scary to think that a college sophomore [at the time] had more balls than a "major new media company" like internet.com does at present.

Oh well, I never read LT much anyway. This just assures that I never will.

hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2149401)

a first post is modded down leaves in the wind (fuck 5-7-5, btw)

How can you not know George Tirebiter???? (1)

hellfire (86129) | more than 12 years ago | (#2149669)

Damnit, all the esoteric geeks and nerds out there an none of you have ever listened to Firesign Theater??????? If you had you'd all know this guy and all his aliases... George LaRoy Tirebiter, Porgie Tirebiter, etc etc ad infinitum. :)

You must ALL go out and buy all the Firesign Theater tapes/CD you can find and listen to them now, and you'll never have this problem again! ;)

SP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2149954)

Second Post ya Gimps!

kiddie pr0n (-1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#2149984)


Okay you slashdot pervs, johnny law is coming to get [cnn.com] you! You shoulda used a stolen credit card, cocksuckas! Rot in prison loosers!

apology accepted! (5, Funny)

bricriu (184334) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150010)

I personally think that these fine gentlemen have, by virtue of their effusive apology, proved themselves to be well and truly sorry, and that we should all forgive them their minor trespasses. Who's with me?

-Kevin Richard... I mean, uh Ben. That's it. Ben.

Lemme get this straight... (-1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150018)

Kevin Richard got into all this trouble because he wanted to be a troll.

He should have just posted on /.

Wow, I Love Slashdot's Editorial Honesty (1)

zulux (112259) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150027)

As a longtime member of the OSDN/Slashtot community, I'm proud of the premium content that's available to me 24 hours a day on my Friendly-Easy-To-Use(tm) Slashdot.

Unlike some other web sites - I can trust that Hemos^h^h^h^h^h the Slashdot editors will alway strike a carefully balance between editorial honesty and bad spelling.

That's fucking funny. (0)

Raging Idiot (457985) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150074)

He admits he did wrong, while saying he didn't see anything wrong with it. Then he says he understands why nobody liked it/why no one would trust him, but he also says that it's important that people are able to trust him/his site. Fucking loser cock-sucker.

that reminds me.. (-1)

MICK_THE_FPM (462094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150085)

what do you call a bunch of negro's buried up to their necks?

AFROTURF!

+1 W00T! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150412)

Best post ever! This is the most informative, interesting, insightful post I have ever seen! I NEVER KNEW that negroes burried up to their necks were called AFROTURF!!

W00T! W00T!

shoutouts to MICK THE FPM!!!!

MCDOUGAL

Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150092)

but when will we hear an apology from the Slashdot editor who seized Signal 11's account?

(Notice, I'm not naming names here. Please keep the tone civil.)

IN YOUR FACE! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150093)

w00t first post

that forced sound (4, Insightful)

benedict (9959) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150123)

The apology has that forced sound of someone who doesn't understand or doesn't want to understand why their actions were wrong.

Plus it contains grammatical mistakes, which looks kind of bad when your job title includes "editor".

Re:that forced sound (-1)

Raging Idiot (457985) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150743)

He probably figured that no one in the Linux Community (i.e. regular slashdot readers) would care about the grammatical errors. Or, he was trying to generate page hits (like CmdrTaco and Hemos with their forced "errors").

Serious matter (5, Insightful)

doomy (7461) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150129)

An editor of a respected news portal should never have commited something like this. In paper media it would have been much better to resign and safe face afterwards. This person using psudonames trolled LinuxToday's talkback forums and flamed Linux, Linus, SlashDot etc. Often he used anti-linux and sentiments and questioned the existance of an opensource/linux community. He should resign IMHO. If LinuxToday is to be respected, this is the only way out for this publication.

Re:Serious matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2122790)

He'd be barred from having any editorial job at any publication for something of this sort. This is like cheating in college and getting caught.

Re:Serious matter -- Agreed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150308)

I second him being fired. This is the Linux Community afterall, we should have a say in what happens here.

Re:Serious matter (1)

TheAwfulTruth (325623) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150949)

Agreed. So let's boycott Linux Today until he resigns. He's done nothing less than what MS and others have done (Specifically astroturfing) that invariably leds to calls of boycotts. Everyone on /. boycotting MS or Apple or Real hardly has any effect, but THIS has a chance to work! If everyone on /. boycotted Linux Today until he resigns and there is some proof of a return of jounalistic integrity, I think they would probably have to take notice. It's gets harder and harder to say anything negative about MS when your own house is morally crumbling around you. Course I'm just a pro MS troll, what do I know? But at least I'm not a /. editor :)

Doesn't sound like much of an apology (4, Insightful)

fetta (141344) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150146)

It doesn't sound like the editor is acknowledging that he did anything wrong, just saying "I won't do it again because other people misunderstood."

There are good reasons to post anonymously under some circumstances, but I don't think he gives any here. How would the debate have been any less "lively" if he had acknowledged the source of his comments all along?

Please think of the children (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150189)

My name is Billy Evans. I am a very sick little boy. My mother is typing this for me, because I can't. She is crying. The reason she is so sad is because I'm so sick. I was born without a body. It doesn't hurt, except when I try to breathe. The doctors gave me an artificial body. It is a burlap bag filled with leaves. The doctors said that was the best they could do on account of us having no money or insurance. I would like to have a body transplant, but we need more money. Mommy doesn't work because she said nobody hires crying people. I said, "Don't cry, Mommy," and she hugged my burlap bag. Mommy always gives me hugs, even though she's allergic to burlap and it makes her sneeze and chafes her real bad. I hope you will help me. You can help me if you forward this email to everyone you know. Forward it to people you don't know, too. Dr. Johansen said that for every person you forward this email to, Bill Gates will team up with AOL and send a nickel to NASA. With that funding, NASA will collect prayers from school children all over America and have the astronauts take them up into space so that the angels can hear them better. Then they will come back to earth and go to the Pope, and he will take up a collection in church and send all the money to the doctors. The doctors could help me get better then. Maybe one day I will be able to play baseball. Right now I can only be third base. Every time you forward this letter, the astronauts can take more prayers to the angels and my dream will be closer to coming true. Please help me. Mommy is so sad, and I want a body. I don't want my leaves to rot before I turn 10. If you don' tforward this email, that's okay. Mommy says you're a mean and heartless bastard who doesn't care about a poor little boy with only a head. She says that if you don't stew in the raw pit of your own guilt-ridden stomach, she hopes you die a long slow horrible death and then burn forever in hell. What kind of cruel person are you that you can't take five freakin' minutes to forward this to all your friends so that they can feel guilt and shame about ignoring a poor, bodiless nine-year-old boy? Please help me. I try to be happy, but it's hard. I wish I had a kitty. I wish I could hold a kitty. I wish I could hold a kitty that wouldn't chew on me and try to bury its turds in the leaves of my burlap body. I wish that very much. Thank You, Billy "Smiley" Evans

ROFLMAO (0)

gamorck (151734) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150520)

Right now I can only be third base
I was able to restrain for laughing until I got to that part - thats just too good. If it werent so damn off topic I ask the mods to mod him up - but oh well - I guess you cannot have everything.

Gam
"Flame at Will"

Re:Please think of the children (-1)

Raging Idiot (457985) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150947)

That is the funniest goddamned thing I have ever read. It covers almost every one of the "THIS IS NOT SPAM" messages I have recieved over the past few years, and then some. Kitties burying turds in your leaves. Damn, dude, that's good stuff.

Excuse me? (5, Insightful)

crowchild (326687) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150223)

On reflection, I have to admit that anonymous posting by an editor at a news site was wrong. I stopped months ago and vow to LT readers that I will never engage in the practice again. It is too important you can trust what you read here.

As if we should believe him? I'm well aware of the current state of today's media. Journalistic integrity is a word that most media reporters and editors seem to have forgotten.

However, this is totally out of line, even by today's standards. Someone looking at his apology would think that he had just committed minor infractions. No, he was busily posting nastygrams about competitors and rivals [linuxjournal.com].

He should just resign and get the heck out.

'crow

What's his name? (1)

NewbieSpaz (172080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150224)

..."from Kevin Richard, the Executive Editor of LinuxToday"...

I thought it was 'Reichard'

Re:What's his name? (1)

ethereal (13958) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150348)

Not to bitch too hard, but in my story submission I spelled his name correctly. Twice. But then again, we can't all be Paul Ferris, I guess.

That's good. (1)

boinger (4618) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150287)

I suppose I can see his point - George Tirebiter is a bit silly. Perhaps he should have made it TireByter or something more obvious. Regardless, astroturfing is lame, and he's right to apologize.

Can you imagine most other companies (say, Microsoft, for instance) ever apologizing for anything? I would expect the standard "mistakes were made...steps have been taken to prevent...blah, blah, blah". It's refreshing to see someone in the public light in the commercial side of this industry with humility.

George Tirebiter == Firesign Theater reference (1)

bobalu (1921) | more than 12 years ago | (#2118816)

"George Tirebiter" (or some variation thereof) is a character from one of the great Firesign Theater albums, such as "Don't Crush that Dwarf, Hand Me the Pliers", "Waiting for the Electrician or Someone Like Him" and the always-popular "How Can You Be In Two Places At Once When You're Not Really Anywhere At All?"

Unfortunately they're not all available on CD - you'll need what the ancients called a "LONG PLAYING RECORD" (a.k.a LP) to dig the best. Some are available on CDNOW.com (if you hate Amazon).

Highly recommended. Of course it helps to be well and truly stoned before (during/after) you listen.

Re:That's good. (1)

mrfiddlehead (129279) | more than 12 years ago | (#2149577)

astroturfing is lame, and he's right to apologize

What a flocking crock of shite. Are you people all on glue? Who gives a flying flock of seaguls if the guy posts pseudo-anonymously? We all do this right? Isn't that right, Mr (or Ms. or Mrs.) Boinger?

Sometimes I just don't understand this fucking world at all when assholes like George W. Bush can become president by worming his way into office and yet the common behaviour of an editor at LinuxToday somehow commits an idictable offence.

Really now!

Forced and on purpose? (1)

md_doc (8431) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150288)

One has to wonder, since the appology seems--well to be nice--weak, if it was more or less a ploy to get more traffic to their site. I am sure getting /.ed will do nothing but serve more ads for them which, in this day of hard to get money from advertisers, will be nothing but a good thing for them.

Never again, eh? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150305)

I stopped months ago and vow to LT readers that I will never engage in the practice again.

Heh.

I've said something similar to my wife more than once. I wonder if LT readers are sharper than she is...

Bill? Is that you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2151267)

I've said something similar to my wife more than once. I wonder if LT readers are sharper than she is.

Bill? Is that you? It's me, Monica... I've missed you!

heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150306)

I don't give a shit. Linuxtoday is still a good news site, i don't think anyone visits there for the forums anyways, they're just an after though.

Way to make a big deal out of nothing.

Re:heh (1)

reflective recursion (462464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2121603)

and you really trust their stories now? They have no integrity left. Infact, I don't think this so-called "Linux community" does. This "community" looks more to me (and probably outsiders) as a continuation of the dot-com gold rush. Which it is, in many cases.

existence of the Linux community (2)

tim_maroney (239442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150113)

I asked [slashdot.org] why there should have been a controversy about whether the Linux community existed. It seems a community is a tangible thing. No one bothered to respond, but I continued to ask myself the question, and realized that there was an answer [slashdot.org]. The attendance of nearly two thousand people at the 2001 O'Reilly Open Source Convention demonstrates the existence of a community, though not necessarily a large one.

Tim

What about the censorship? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150372)

There's a *lot* of acusations of sensorship on the talkbacks. Until now, there's no apologies or explanations. And I think it stinks.

Slashdot would be Immune to Astroturf like this (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150399)

A Slashdot editor would be easy to identify from the spelling and gramatical errors.

Not much of an apology... (2, Insightful)

MrEfficient (82395) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150413)

Thats a pretty poor excuse for an apology. He didn't mention all of the pseudonyms he used and I don't think he came clean as to why he did it. "fostering lively debate" my ass. He was trying to influence the debate and in a dishonest manner. Anonymous postings are fine for readers, but an editor should be held to a higher standard, at least where his own paper/website are concerned.

A lot of the talkbacks left on the page so far really astound me, how can these people be so quick to forgive something like this. Personnaly, I would find it hard to trust anything this guy, or Linux Today publishes.

Re:Not much of an apology... (-1)

Raging Idiot (457985) | more than 12 years ago | (#2121605)

How many of the "Here, let me pat you on the back for being such a great man" posts are actually just him using accounts (or anonymously posting) that he hasn't admitted to "owning" just yet? Way too much ass-kissing there for it to be coincidental as far as I'm concerned.

Re:Not much of an apology... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2151121)

who do you think posted the talk backs? could be the editor himself...

Of course, it's obvious now... (1)

mrbuckles (201938) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150498)

I'm really CmdrTaco! Did you think my name was really mrbuckles? Are you stupid?

I'm so sorry you folks couldn't make the connection.

Hey Hemos (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150558)

Why don't you take that 'e' from argu(e)ment and use it in R(e)ichard. Then take an English course.

Apology (1)

quantum bit (225091) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150567)

I don't think he's really apologizing to the people for astroturfing per se, it's more of an apology to the stockholders that he got caught.

A good start (1)

LordNite (65590) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150595)

I would like to thank Kevin Reichard for finally swallowing his pride and admitting to wrong doing. I agree that his excuses do seem a little weak, but at least he is not acting like the second comming of Richard Nixon ("I am not a crook!").

However, there are still many concerns which were brought up by Paul Ferris in his Linux Journal article that need to be addressed. The most important of these being LT's stance on linking to external content. Like I have said before, LT is a news portal therefore most of the relevant content that they should be printing is going to be found on external sites. As a journalist and editor Reichard should be more worried about boosting readership through quality of content, rather than keeping people "in the channel" to boost ad dollars.

It sounds to me like LT and Internet.Com have greater problems than a little bit of astroturfing. At least they still have enough integrity to own-up to the responsibility they have to their readers.

-LN

Re:A good start (1)

reflective recursion (462464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2148922)

At least they still have enough integrity to own-up to the responsibility they have to their readers.
That is bullshit. This "integrity" is after the fact. If the story was never posted on /. or brought to light, then it would still be going on. It was going on from 1999 to May of this year IIRC. If you can't find your head from your ass in 3 years you deserve to lose 100% of your readers. Bad judgement is a one time "ut oh." What we have here is a long-term fuckup still (would be) in progress. And probably is. Who knows what underhanded things will be going on behind reader's backs.

Reichard should be fired. (5, Insightful)

maynard (3337) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150618)

Here is the talback I sent to LinuxToday.
I'm not just offended by your anonymous postings, Mr. Reichard, I'm personally offended by your regular censorship of content in talkback posts which refuted your editorial positions. You personally censored some of my talkbacks on an editorial that you wrote, so I speak from experience. I note that many others have claimed the same, so I am not alone. I've worked as a journalist for a local small time paper and I *never* saw that kind of behavior by our editorial board. Both censorship where you have an obvious conflict of interest and anonymous postings in your own forum show you lack the ethics required for the position of Sr. Editor. Personally, I think you should be fired for breach of trust to the Linux community, and for breach of journalistic ethics overall. Until this happens I will not consider LinuxToday a reputable source for news.

J. Maynard Gelinas
This speaks for itself. I have no respect for this man, or how he has behaved on their forums. Internet.com should fire the man posthaste.

--Maynard

/. does this too (1, Interesting)

gamorck (151734) | more than 12 years ago | (#2151129)

Hmmm... you still post here though right? /. does the same thing. Do you know how they censor posts that are contrary to their beliefs? Thats right - its called the moderation system.

Just check out the comments on the stories that were posted relating to the OSDN router outage - you'll see what I mean.

Gam
"Flame at Will"

Why not... (2, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150619)

Why not hire this guy [isuzu.com] to do the astroturfing? At least it would appear more authentic than "George Tirebiter".

Notorious slimey pitchman for Isuzu, in case you didn't know.

And on Slashdot? (2)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150726)

OK, how many of the so-called Users on this site are actually pseudonyms for Malda and his cronies? Perhaps I am one myself.

Scandal redux (2, Funny)

McSnickered (67307) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150818)

What a nice blend of moral outrage, incompetence, and vitriole! Let's see ...

1. He got caught
2. People get upset
3. He gave a semi-apology
4. We all continue on with life as if nothing had happened.

Will all those who really give a crap please step forward. Not so fast Mr. Tirebiter.

It has worked before (1)

why-is-it (318134) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150601)

1. He got caught
2. People get upset
3. He gave a semi-apology
4. We all continue on with life as if nothing had happened.


Well, that is the strategy Bill Clinton used several times, and it worked out pretty good for him.

Brainwashed? (1)

etchosts (472921) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150851)

I fail to see why Reichard has to apologize. If people were duped by his sloppy postings, shame on them. We are supposed to be individuals with free thought.

Re:Brainwashed? (1)

fishebulb (257214) | more than 12 years ago | (#2149666)

quite frankly i agree. i dont see the big deal. that site is great for news. its a link page for news. how does this make a bit of different in the quality of the news articles? absolutely none. Get over it and find a different scapegoat. if you are incapable of that, dont visit that site, its as simple as that.

speeling! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150940)

it's argument. the letters all argue together, and in the process the e gets knocked out...

sigh.

George Tirebiter (1)

ishmalius (153450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150946)

I don't know all of the people who might be George Tirebiter, but the one I know is the recurring character from Firesign Theatre , whose compatriots include Nick Danger and Rocky Rococo.

I would never think that a poster who uses this name would be a real person. How naive can some people be? Very much, apparently. ;-)

Re:George Tirebiter (3, Insightful)

geomcbay (263540) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150388)

Huh? I think you are missing the point. Kevin seemed to miss the point too in his "apology" post.

I doubt anyone thought George Tirebiter was someone's real name...

Nobody cares that these troll posts were made using an alias, per se, they care that the person using the alias to post trolls was also an editor. The name he used, and its ability to be easily recognized as a pseudonym are totally irrelevant.

Liars and trust (2, Interesting)

mystery_bowler (472698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150948)

Call me a cynic, but I find it hard to believe a liar when they apologize.

It's a shame that people give any credit at all to people who are caught in a lie. After all, the apology isn't for the lie. The apology is for getting caught. If the apology was for the lie, it would have been issued long before it was common knowledge that a falsehood existed.

Feh...

Not sure what the big deal is (2, Interesting)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 12 years ago | (#2151182)

Okay, Linux Today is primarily a press-release site, right? It doesn't exactly claim to be a real news site, does it? As such, the expectations of partiality and journalistic integrity that you'd normally want of an editor don't really apply here, do they?

Maybe it sounds like I'm oversimplifying a bit, I don't know. But I've never really gone to Linux Today hoping to find straight news, and it seemed like the editor was less an editor than a page maintainer. I guess what I'm saying is, in theory, I don't think there's anything wrong with the guy faking an alias and posting stuff to get a reaction. It's not like I give a damn who any of the other aliases are because they're all unverifiable anyway (or, I guess, considering this case, mostly unverifiable ;) -- if they post something debate-worthy, I'll fight it or support it on merit.

Never mind, I'm starting to get it (1)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 12 years ago | (#2151232)

Didn't know this was going on at the same time as censorship of other posts. I see it now.

Reich(ard) Rights (1)

evilMoogle (304970) | more than 12 years ago | (#2151255)

So now it's not okay for editors to post links to goatse.cx? That's unfair! It's a fundamental right of every american to be an asshole. If we restrict this right, where will our freedoms be safe?

astroturf[?]ing ???? (0, Offtopic)

viper21 (16860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2151880)

What, is this a Slashdot Smart Tag (tm)?

=)

-S

Re:astroturf[?]ing ???? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2110359)

For this reason I think there should at least be an option for disabling the e2 tags, or the /. editors should leave them out entirely. Just as we an honest person wouldn't want MS's definition of Linux, why should we go to e2 for, say, Microsoft?
Its pushing e2 when I don't particularly want to visit it.
"Smart tags" might be handy sometimes, but not when its an annoying ad for another website disguised as journalism, and dictionary.com has a perfectly good definition of astroturfing that the /. editors don't have an interest in promoting.

Those who would respond "its their website, they can do with it what they want," should ask themselves if the same applies to MS's smarttags.

Re:astroturf[?]ing ???? (3, Insightful)

Hammer (14284) | more than 12 years ago | (#2150725)

While I agree that /. is not exactly neutral in the way things are presented, at least I know that a lot of things tend to be slanted (not always justly). If something is presented to me on /. I would filter it through an anti-anti-MS filter. So if a link is pro MS it must be true....

Those who would respond "its their website, they can do with it what they want," should ask themselves if the same applies to MS's smarttags.
It is their site and therefore it is NOT up to MS (or SmartTags) to modify

Re:astroturf[?]ing ???? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2150094)

No, but it is a good example of how SmartTags might be used. If everybody wasn't so blinded by the ubiquitous Microsoft hate, people would realize SmartTags can be a Good Thing.

SmartTags are evil (1)

Hammer (14284) | more than 12 years ago | (#2149521)

Wrong!!
This is why SmartTags are a BadThing (tm). Slashdot is pointing to a site of their choice to explain the word. In the SmartTags world it would point to a site of Microsofts choice.
The words Open Source Software could be explained by this [opensource.org] in a SlashTag and this [microsoft.com] way by SmartTags...

Re:SmartTags are evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2124727)

OK, so how should "Microsoft" or "proprietary software" or "DMCA" or "RIAA" or "MPAA" be explained by OSSmartTags?
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