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Ecuadorian Navy Rescues Bezos After Kidney Stone Attack

samzenpus posted about 7 months ago | from the fly-me-away dept.

Medicine 190

theodp writes "While vacationing aboard a cruise ship in the Galapagos Islands, where the State Department warns the quality of medical facilities and services are 'generally well below U.S. standards', Gawker reports that Jeff Bezos was rescued by the Ecuadorian Navy so he could receive treatment for a kidney stone attack on New Year's Day. The Ecuadorian Navy confirmed Bezos' rescue, which involved taking Bezos by Navy helicopter from Academy Bay in Santa Cruz Island to his private jet stationed on Baltra Island."

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190 comments

Wait What? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45871799)

I thought the US had the worst medical system in the world. Whats this? A Socialist country (actually half of the politicians in Ecuador are communists) has worse medical treatment? That just doesn't seem right. State run medical facilities are ALWAYS better, or so I was told by the NYT.

LOL. I love these stories where reality just smacks the left in the face.

Re:Wait What? (1, Insightful)

ToddInSF (765534) | about 7 months ago | (#45871817)

Nobody of any consequence is interested in the tired "left" this "right" that blather. Begone. You've nothing to contribute here.

Re:Wait What? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45871875)

But what about the blacks? The blacks will riot if you don't gibs 'dem 'dey welfare.

Re:Wait What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872055)

Republican education cuts, again. They're trying to find the ultimate stupid in the universe, and they're getting close.

A RICH MAN'S KIDNEY IS WORLD NEWS (2)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 7 months ago | (#45872211)

Well I hear you went up to Saratoga
And your horse naturally won
Then you flew your Lear jet up to Nova Scotia
To see the total eclipse of the sun

Re:A RICH MAN'S KIDNEY IS WORLD NEWS (4, Funny)

radarskiy (2874255) | about 7 months ago | (#45872325)

I bet you think this post is about you.

Re:Wait What? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45871889)

I thought the US had the worst medical system in the world. Whats this? A Socialist country (actually half of the politicians in Ecuador are communists) has worse medical treatment? That just doesn't seem right.

Generally speaking, the rule of thumb is, if you are looking for the best medical system for your population as a whole, it will look somewhat socialist. On the other hand, the US is well known to have one of the very best medical systems in the world -- if you have a lot of money. And then when you start talking about money, you start talking about medical insurance rather than medical skill or medical facilities, or the amount of money that doctors or drug manufacturers should earn for providing the care, and then suddenly we're talking politics and not where to find the right doctors.

Re:Wait What? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 7 months ago | (#45872037)

also talking about money in the us you can get X10-X100+ markup on costs as well.

Re:Wait What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872103)

That's all well and good, but the question is, who is getting paid too much? The lack of transparency seems to be the real problem.

You can say the cost is too much, but the doctors need to be paid, and their education is not cheap, so they should be paid well -- though you could argue that maybe the college education should be cheaper, but then we have to discuss the cost of education in the US, right? -- and the hospital itself is probably expensive to run (the buildings are no doubt expensive, and located in central areas which is probably expensive to do), and the drugs are expensive to develop, so the people doing the research on them should be paid, and their education was not cheap either, and ... well, it's a bad situation, but the waters are too murky to see who is the bad guy here -- you could say that it is the corporations, but as Romney said, corporations are made up of people.

Somewhere, some people are taking too much profit, I'm sure, just I don't know who they are, or how to find out who they are, and I don't know how to change the system without changing a big part of American society in the process.

Re:Wait What? (2)

Garridan (597129) | about 7 months ago | (#45872317)

Somewhere, some people are taking too much profit, I'm sure, just I don't know who they are, or how to find out who they are, and I don't know how to change the system without changing a big part of American society in the process.

Just about everybody, except for those in care of actually doing the medicine (doctors, nurses, technicians, pharmacists... and janitors, who really shouldn't do the medicine, but need to be paid more). It's a deep bureaucracy where middlemen abound. Insurance companies take a huge cut, execs get paid way too much. Some rockstar surgeons get paid a cool half million a year... and they deserve every penny of that. Hospital C*Os shouldn't make anywhere near that. But they control the budget... so that'll never happen.

This is why social health makes sense to people. All the money is getting distributed wrong. Sure, there will be more overhead and more tiers of hierarchy, but the higher levels of the bureaucracy are government jobs with relatively low pay. It seems like a mixed public/private system is best: let the rich spend their millions on shorter lines and more advanced care -- but if you need to pay to get healthy, the poor get sicker, hence poorer, and drain the economy.

Re:Wait What? (2)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 7 months ago | (#45872361)

In social australia doctors get paid about the same as they do in usa and over all costs are much lower and most people are covered (at a lower cost to them then people pay in the usa)

Re:Wait What? (5, Informative)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 7 months ago | (#45872589)

Aussie here. Its weird how expensive things can be in the US. I know US people here in Melbourne who flew back to Aus for treatment because they didn't have medical insurance while on a visit to the US. Its also funny how the best serious treatment is in the public system here. The private system will get your nose job faster but on the spot life saving surgury will be in a public hospital.

Re:Wait What? (1)

Fieryphoenix (1161565) | about 7 months ago | (#45872427)

Here's good place to start. DME providers for CPAP supplies. Work your way up from there.

Re:Wait What? (1)

Lamps (2770487) | about 7 months ago | (#45872877)

You can say the cost is too much, but the doctors need to be paid, and their education is not cheap, so they should be paid well

Insurance companies have recently been getting creative in their attempts to keep costs down. Perhaps another thing they may want to consider is to subsidize the education of med school students who intend to start their own practices, with those individuals' practices then giving discounts/preferred treatment to the customers of the companies that subsidized them to the amount of some value exceeding the amount of financing that was provided by the insurance company (adjusted for inflation, taking into account the risk that not all med school students will start a successful practice, and so on).

Re:Wait What? (0)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 7 months ago | (#45872271)

for the best medical system for your population as a whole

Medical needs occur individually. We do no show up at the clinic "as a whole" for a flu shot. Socialized medicine is the ecological fallacy [wikipedia.org] writ large & tragic.

Re:Wait What? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872367)

for the best medical system for your population as a whole

Medical needs occur individually. We do no show up at the clinic "as a whole" for a flu shot. Socialized medicine is the ecological fallacy [wikipedia.org] writ large & tragic.

That is one of the few examples where your comment is completely false -- vaccines, after all, only work if a large percentage of the population gets them. Broken legs, okay, that's individual.

Still, I don't see what's wrong with socialized anything... it seems to me that people are still throwing around the world as code for communist, without saying what they actually mean. To start in the beginning, how about that Ron Paul debate question: poor person shows up at the ER, no insurance, is going to die -- you treat them for free, or let them die? The first one seems "socialist", and the second one seems inhumane.

Re:Wait What? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 7 months ago | (#45872609)

Market based systems don't work where there is a high barrier to entry. If absolutely any US person could become a health care provider (as they could become a food grower) then the current market based system would be much cheaper. As it is, the government regulates entry into the health services market, and the businesses in the market use that fact to take huge profits.

Re:Wait What? (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 7 months ago | (#45872989)

So you're saying "as a whole" = "a large percentage"? Yeah, maybe cancer would've been a better example.

Re:Wait What? (3, Funny)

rsilvergun (571051) | about 7 months ago | (#45872411)

Yeah, the next time I'm feeling under the weather I'm sure the US Navy will be happy to send a helicopter to pick me up, right?

Re:Wait What? (4, Informative)

ThatsMyNick (2004126) | about 7 months ago | (#45872665)

If you are in the sea, the US coast guard would gladly do that. They will usually bill you for it, though it is likely covered by your insurance for medical evacuation.

Re: Wait What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872553)

When I was in Ecuador years ago I needed to go to the doctor's. No fancy waiting room, but good care.

Re:Wait What? (4, Informative)

hawguy (1600213) | about 7 months ago | (#45871909)

I thought the US had the worst medical system in the world. Whats this? A Socialist country (actually half of the politicians in Ecuador are communists) has worse medical treatment? That just doesn't seem right. State run medical facilities are ALWAYS better, or so I was told by the NYT.

LOL. I love these stories where reality just smacks the left in the face.

Right, you'd think that an island chain with an immense population of 25,000 people would have top-rate medical care, it must be the politics that's getting in the way.

Re:Wait What? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45871971)

Daft liberal is daft and didn't bother to RTFS.
He was flown to the US for treatment because facilities in Ecuador are substandard.

Not sure why you are attempting to lie to make my original point invalid. I guess because my original point was so valid you couldn't argue against it honestly.

Re:Wait What? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872021)

Social democracies have the best healthcare systems in the world.

Capitalist countries don't.

Commie countries don't.

Balance: it's what you begin striving for after your freshman year.

Re:Wait What? (2)

Garridan (597129) | about 7 months ago | (#45872473)

I love that you spout this black-and-white thoughtless bullshit and then deride GP for a lack of "balance". Your worldview is utterly simple. I'm an american living in a social democracy (Canada). We've got this 'universal health care' thing. It mostly works. It's better than the US in that mcdonalds & walmart employees are all covered. But, quality of care leaves much to be desired.

A typical example. It took my wife 9 months to get a NMR after a concussion -- the conversation with the doc was surreal: "What complications would an NMR find?" "Well, the worst thing would be internal bleeding in the brain." "How bad is that?" "Well, it could kill you in a week." "Are there any warning signs to look out for?" " but other than that, no." "That sounds like an emergency, can't we get bumped up the line?" "No, the system does not view this an emergency."

I've spoken to probably a dozen people about this -- everybody has a similar story. Another example, my neighbor tore a ligament in his knee, waited 7 months before he could get it reattached. During that time, he picked up an addiction to pain killers and lost 70% of the muscle mass in the leg. And then once he got the surgery, paid a few grand out of pocket for physiotherapy.

We also have huge problems getting prescription drugs. We bargain with pharmaceutical companies for drugs... and Canada has a smaller population and less bargaining power than certain markets in the US. So we literally get edged out of the market on certain pharmaceuticals. It's increasingly common in some provinces to make 'conditional surgery appointments': they'll operate if they get the necessary drugs... otherwise you go back on the waitlist.

Re:Wait What? (2)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about 7 months ago | (#45872619)

I think Canada must be suffering from proximity to the US. Here in Australia I have never seen a wait of more than a week for an MRI and a head injury case would go in within a few hours.

Re:Wait What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872731)

Is anyone reporting positive *instances* to you?

Re:Wait What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872741)

The last time I had to go in for an MRI (ie. when there was a possibility of something being wrong that warranted it) I was in within days.

By the way: you are quick to criticize the doctor but I assume your wife is still alive and well?

You waited because resources are limited and it was superfluous.

As for the drugs, there have been cases when Canada was unable to negotiate an acceptable price with the pharmaceutical companies and then just went ahead and produced the drugs ourselves without their consent.

No system is perfect, and you certainly have to wait longer in a country where everyone actually has access to health care and not just rich people, but I think you're off base here.

Re:Wait What? (1)

Garridan (597129) | about 7 months ago | (#45873107)

Who the hell criticized a doctor? The system is clogged; that's hardly the doctor's fault. You're off base: I was replying to the coward who claimed that social democracies are the best, and my entire point is that there are tradeoffs, that no system is perfect.

Re:Wait What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872811)

Which province? In the west I've had a couple friends and family all be able to get MRIs for injuries within 2 weeks, and one case needing surgery was done in another 2 weeks. Having moved to the US for a job, I've had to wait for two months to get surgery on insurance here.

Re:Wait What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872045)

Not sure why you are attempting to lie to make my original point invalid.

I'm not sure how someone attempts to lie. There's lying, and not lying, but "I tried to lie, but failed"?

Anyway, it's true... hawguy lied. The population is closer to 26,640, not 25k (if you trust Wikipedia... if you go with the sources from WolframAlpha, you get only 17,800). That changes things immensely. Troll.

How is medical insurance for trolls, anyway? Is that filed under disability?

Re:Wait What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872167)

And the lie double down. He wasn't flown to nearby Ecuador for treatment (Is the population of Ecuador 25K to make your point), he was taken to the US.
So now we have a liar, called out for lying, and a second person doubling down on the original lie.

I find it amazing how the left cannot debate facts anymore. I guess when your hero, Mr "If you like your healthcare you can keep it, period" and his minions "The NSA does not do whosale survalance of the american people, period" lie as bad as they do, you just find it acceptable.

How to fail at lying (3, Funny)

Immerman (2627577) | about 7 months ago | (#45872223)

This sentence is fal.... is fa-a-a...
Hmph. Fine.
This sentence is true.

Re:Wait What? (4, Informative)

sjames (1099) | about 7 months ago | (#45871987)

If you're as rich as Bezos, health care in the U.S. isn't so bad. If you're poor, it is no better than what he was rescued from. You'll lie on the floor in your home in agony hoping the stone passes soon.

I had a kidney stone while travelling last month (5, Interesting)

langelgjm (860756) | about 7 months ago | (#45872525)

I had a kidney stone while travelling last month in South Africa. The pain developed over a day until I was doubled over on the floor, unable to concentrate on anything. At that point I realized I needed to go the hospital.

I went to the ER and was admitted within about 15 minutes. They did blood and urine tests, gave me morphine (I assume it was morphine, it took the pain away completely) and IV fluids, then did a CT scan. A doctor saw me, and I was discharged in about five hours with a filter cup and antibiotics. The stone had made it through the ureter and was small enough to pass without issue.

I paid for everything out of pocket. The total cost of ER admission, doctor's fee, CT scan + radiologist report, blood and urine tests, and IV fluids was USD $550. As far as I can tell, they did not charge me for the morphine, the antibiotics, or the filter cup. Also they gave me copies of my test results and a CD with my CT scan images, and I did not even have to ask for them.

From what I hear, a CT scan alone can cost thousands of dollars in the U.S. In some ways I am glad that this happened when I was travelling... my co-pays back in the U.S. might have exceeded the entire cost in South Africa. I probably could have flown there, gone to the hospital, and flown home while still spending less than what it would have cost in the U.S. I really see why people do medical tourism. It could make sense even if you have insurance.

I should note that this was a private hospital in Cape Town. The hospital was not fancy like we are used to seeing in the U.S., but the staff were professional and knowledgeable, and the quality of care was first rate.

Re:I had a kidney stone while travelling last mont (4, Informative)

TechnoGrl (322690) | about 7 months ago | (#45872733)

What they gave you - believe it or not - was Ibuprofen IV. Morphine will not take away the pain of kidney stones (it's that bad!) but massive ibuprofen takes the pain away in a really short time. Been there done (and screamed) that.

Re:I had a kidney stone while travelling last mont (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | about 7 months ago | (#45872761)

Mine were so bad, none of that worked. They finally blasted me with enough Tramadol to stun an ox. THAT worked.

Re:I had a kidney stone while travelling last mont (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45873075)

The same visit to a US ER with same services and outcome billed about $10k to my insurance. CT scan was about $5k if I recall.

Re:Wait What? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872873)

If you're poor, it is no better than what he was rescued from.

You sir, are an ignorant fucking moron who has absolutely no fucking clue how spoiled you are. If you think the treatment is the same, you really have no fucking clue how medicine works in this country.

Get a clue you pathetic tool.

--BitZtream

Re:Wait What? (1)

sjames (1099) | about 7 months ago | (#45873031)

I'm pretty sure I understand that sitting at home hoping it goes away works about the same anywhere.

Re:Wait What? (2)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 7 months ago | (#45872027)

It is the worst medical system in the world - for people who care what it costs. Statements like yours remind me of Mitt Romney's "What's the big deal? Borrow the money from your daddy and start a business!" comment - completely impervious to reality.

Re:Wait What? (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about 7 months ago | (#45872079)

well to be fair, what is different in what he said, and what our government does? How much money do we borrow from china every year to keep our "business" going?

Re:Wait What? (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about 7 months ago | (#45872221)

Are you really that stupid?

Re:Wait What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872245)

Ah, don't blame him, he's from a country with a lousy education system.

Re:Wait What? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872247)

Alright, half-Ecuadorian half-European here. I've been to Ecuador often and visited their "state run medical facilities". I can tell you hospitals in the capital are pretty okay, all things considered (as in, "it looks passable to me": I have zero medical degrees but I do come from a rich Western country with good hospitals and clinics).

The Galapagos on the other hand, they're an archipelago of small islands, almost 1000 km off the coast, pretty rural and even the towns are quite small, so, yeah, wouldn't wanna catch something while there.

Another point: "worst medical system" does not imply "worst medical treatment", but my guess is you knew that and you're just trolling. The idea is of course that for the amount of money you guys are paying, you're getting way less than we are, and yes I'm factoring in my taxes.

(captcha: excrete)

Money (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45871839)

It's a gas. [youtube.com]
  Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.
  New car, caviar, four star daydream,
  Think I'll buy me a football team.

Coming soon Amazon MD (4, Funny)

captjc (453680) | about 7 months ago | (#45871841)

He has Amazon Prime! I'm sure a drone has already been dispatched with his new kidney and a qualified surgeon.

Not a bad idea: Amazon MD (1)

goombah99 (560566) | about 7 months ago | (#45872457)

Ecuador Military: 7500 people

Amazon employees: 110,000 people.

Re:Coming soon Amazon MD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45873035)

> He has Amazon Prime!

No, he *is* Amazon Prime!

its great to be king (4, Informative)

nurb432 (527695) | about 7 months ago | (#45871845)

Hes got the cash to be treated like that, so more power to him. I don't really see how this is 'news', unless its more stoking fires of the 'class war' that is going on.

Re:its great to be king (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45871923)

from santa cruz to baltra: a 5 minutes flight.. where is the news?

Re:its great to be king (4, Informative)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about 7 months ago | (#45871933)

Ordinary people get treated like that too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ALNW-USCG.jpg [wikipedia.org]

Re:its great to be king (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 7 months ago | (#45872201)

Then even less of a non-story.

I guess its a slow news day.

Re:its great to be king (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872311)

Who the fuck is Bezos?

The fires don't really need much stoking (2)

rsilvergun (571051) | about 7 months ago | (#45872425)

The best kind of war [google.com] is one where the other side doesn't even know it's being fought...

Re:its great to be king (4, Informative)

Radak (126696) | about 7 months ago | (#45872587)

Airlifting people with medical emergencies from the Galapagos Islands to the Ecuadorian mainland is part of the Equadorian Navy's job description. You'd have received the same treatment and so would I.

Now, the quality of the medical care you receive afterwards might be affected by your wealth or influence, but the airlift is something they do for anybody who needs it, and it happens all the time. The only reason this is "news" is because of the notoriety of the patient, not because of the airlift.

Insurance (1)

BringsApples (3418089) | about 7 months ago | (#45871847)

Wow, the new Obamacare requiring policies to include free ambulance service really went a lot further than I thought it would.

International Travel Insurance (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45871915)

You can get international travel insurance that will cover the cost of emergency medical evacuation back to the USA. You don't have to be a billionaire to afford it. I used to do a lot of international travel and would purchase a policy that covered me for one year. As I recall, the cost was only around $350.

Re:International Travel Insurance (3, Interesting)

BringsApples (3418089) | about 7 months ago | (#45872043)

Wow I've never heard of it before. I managed to find this:
http://www.travelguard.com/travelinsurance/international.asp?intcmp=clc-001-Nav-2-International [travelguard.com]

Very interesting, thanks.

Re:International Travel Insurance (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872149)

Wow I've never heard of it before. I managed to find this:

http://www.travelguard.com/travelinsurance/international.asp?intcmp=clc-001-Nav-2-International [travelguard.com]

Very interesting, thanks.

Now all you need to find is a few people who have had claims against this policy paid without a massive hassle.

Re:International Travel Insurance (1)

BringsApples (3418089) | about 7 months ago | (#45873125)

Welcome to the world, almost everything is a "hassle" depending on your mindset. So long as this type of insurance exists, I feel a bit more secure, as I had previously not known about it.

Re:Insurance (1)

grub (11606) | about 7 months ago | (#45872239)

Your sig is relevant to this story...

Darwin: Survival of the Financially Fittest (1)

theodp (442580) | about 7 months ago | (#45871865)

"Jeeves, bring around the Dassault Falcon 900EX [geekwire.com] . This hurts like HELL."

Not such a big deal (5, Informative)

confused one (671304) | about 7 months ago | (#45871907)

In the U.S., this would have been handled by a U.S. Coast Guard flight if a private helicopter flight could not be chartered. In the United States the Coast Guard is a separate entity because of the Constitutional limitations of\n having our standing army and navy act as a police force within our own borders. In Ecuador, the Coast Guard is part of their Navy. This is sort of being blown out of proportion by the media because of the lack of understanding where Navy = Coast Guard in this instance.

Re:Not such a big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45871959)

In the U.S., this would have been handled by a U.S. Coast Guard flight if a private helicopter flight could not be chartered.

So, if, the Canadian government posts a bulletin stating that US healthcare is "below Canadian standards", then US Coast Guard would take people to their private jet so that they aren't stuck in a US hospital?

Re:Not such a big deal (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45871961)

wow, someone in the govt actually observed & obeyed a constitutional limitation?

We must put a stop to the coast guard immediately!

Proportion (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872023)

This is sort of being blown out of proportion by the media because of the lack of understanding where Navy = Coast Guard in this instance.

No, I think this might get blown out of proportion because it is a rather public demonstration of the privilege he enjoys because of his extreme wealth and the benefits that it, at least, seems to provide.

Had this been the more typical inside-lowerdeck-room passenger, who had saved fro a couple of years to afford the trip, they would have been transported across Santa Cruz(45 minutes) by car or bus, then a 5 minute ferry ride to Baltra and a quick ride to the local hospital or the airport, for commercial service to their preferred destination. As a against Bezos, who had his his private jet waiting for him, to carry him to a U.S. hospital. I wonder how long it took his jet to get there and if he couldn't have been using that time to travel to Baltra by more pedestrian means.

Make no mistake, I don't fault him for any of this. He's got the money an the clout that goes with it and there's no reason for him not to exercise it. I certainly would and I don't think he hurt anyone in the process. But, the general public (consisting mostly of penniless low class fucks) has adopted a rather knee jerk attitude to any public display of wealth as unfair, unjust, and unacceptable.

Re:Proportion (1)

confused one (671304) | about 7 months ago | (#45872707)

He has a private jet. He's also the CEO of a billion dollar company. You're right, people need to get on with their lives and stop reacting every time someone is in the news because they used the wealth they've managed to acquire. FWIW, my employers travel insurance and healthcare plan would get me to a local hospital for trauma treatment then have me put on a commercial airliner back to the U.S.

Re:Not such a big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872469)

In the US, it would be handled with a couple strong pain killers and cranberry juice.

Sounds like a Standard Evac Insurance Policy (4, Insightful)

Kagato (116051) | about 7 months ago | (#45871939)

Business people who travel the world usually have global medical plans. Most of those plans include evacuation coverage. Medical transfers off a ship are customarily handled by a coast guard. I'm sure the insurance company had to pay for the service.

If anything the insurance company saved a little money because Bezos already had the private jet in position and that saved them the cost of an airline ticket.

Re:Sounds like a Standard Evac Insurance Policy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872171)

Pretty much anyone (well at least in the US) with a job in international has such coverage. I've always done sales or technical sales abroad and the companies that I have worked for, both very large and small, have always provided such coverage, including medical evacuation.

Re:Sounds like a Standard Evac Insurance Policy (4, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 7 months ago | (#45872179)

The tone and substance of this story is more than a little suspect. The hospital at Peurto Aoyra (the biggest one) is used to transporting people off island for various problems although kidney stones are usually just treated with morphine and fluids initially. They certainly could handle that. The place is sparse, but clean. The docs there are mostly military (the military, such as it is has a large presence on the island) the commercial airline is owned by the military, and, at least at Baltra (the main airport) there is no evidence of anything else but military aircraft (a grey 737 and a helicopter when I was there).

So, the story line that the "Navy" "rescued" Bezos is a bit overdone. They shipped him to the mainland on a helicopter because that's pretty much the only way to get him to the mainland short of firing up a bigger aircraft. Like pretty much anybody else.

Must be International Drama Queen Day or something.

taxpayers money! (1, Troll)

joseph90 (193138) | about 7 months ago | (#45871941)

Seeing how he does not believe in paying tax maybe he will re-emburse the navy and hospital for the full cost of his "rescue" and treatment.

J.

Jeff, people with your medical history (5, Funny)

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Re:Jeff, people with your medical history (0)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 7 months ago | (#45871977)

Before some clueless idiot mods this Offtopic or Troll, read it again. It's hilarious.

Re:Jeff, people with your medical history (5, Funny)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 7 months ago | (#45872285)

"Sorry, the kidney you have in your cart is no longer available from the seller you selected."

I don't see what the problem is? (1)

hackus (159037) | about 7 months ago | (#45871963)

Everyone I know gets the Navy to come to their rescue for Medical problems.

Why are people upset, I don't understand.

-Hack

Re:I don't see what the problem is? (2)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 7 months ago | (#45872219)

They're upset because they said there was a location that had worse medical care than the US. Obviously this isn't true.

Re:I don't see what the problem is? (1)

Idarubicin (579475) | about 7 months ago | (#45872445)

Everyone I know gets the Navy to come to their rescue for Medical problems. Why are people upset, I don't understand.

Apparently you don't. It turns out that in most moderately civilized countries - and also in the United States - if you need urgent medical care while on an isolated island and there aren't any other good transportation options then the government pitches in. In the U.S., the Coast Guard maintains a substantial fleet of search and rescue ships and aircraft which are frequently used for medical evacuations of patients from remote locations. If you Google using keywords like "medevac" and "coast guard', you'll have no problem finding scores of incidents. Here's just one [uscgnews.com] from a few weeks ago.

Ecuador, being a small nation, doesn't have a separate Navy and Coast Guard; the functions of the latter are performed by the former. So...yeah, if you have a serious medical issue in a remote area, the Navy is the go-to option for emergency transportation--whether you're an internet billionaire or not.

Rescued? (2)

ecotax (303198) | about 7 months ago | (#45871967)

It's bullshit the navy rescued anyone here. Transported, helped - many verbs would have fitted better.
Kidney stones supposedly hurt like hell (no personal experience here), but it's not something people generally die from.

Re:Rescued? (5, Informative)

mpoulton (689851) | about 7 months ago | (#45872139)

Kidney stones supposedly hurt like hell (no personal experience here), but it's not something people generally die from.

They sure can be fatal. I would have died from a kidney stone if it weren't for modern medical technology. A stone which is too large to pass obstructs the ureter, which prevents the kidney from draining urine into the bladder. A kidney that can't drain will be permanently damaged and fail within a day or two. Worse, stones can become infected (as mine did), resulting in a kidney infection which will rapidly cause permanent damage and will progress to sepsis and death within days.

Re:Rescued? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872233)

Not to be too picky, but stones can't get infected... they are just mineral deposits. (seemed like you exagerated for effect) But your point was made.

Re:Rescued? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872477)

The stones don't become infected the kidney does. Renal failure is a real risk. My wife went through it 6 weeks ago and she said the pain made childbirth seem mild be comparison. She spent a week in hospital on anti-biotics trying to get the infection under control.

Re:Rescued? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 7 months ago | (#45872601)

Not to be too picky, but stones can't get infected... they are just mineral deposits. (seemed like you exagerated for effect) But your point was made.

Actually, the stones DO get infected. They are lovely little hiding places for the bacteria because they don't have any blood flow (they are in the ureter) and if the stone blocks the flow of urine (as apparently happened to mpoulton) it sets up conditions where the occasional bacterium can hide and grow and cause a clinically apparent infection.

That said, although an infected stone can be life threatening, the afflicted individual can be temporized by giving them antibiotics and pain killers until he or she does get to adequate medical care. And infections usually don't happen right off the bat - the kidney stone itself tends to give you warning that something is wrong.

There are always exceptions - the first thing that clues you off to an infected kidney stone might be fever / chills / sepsis, but that isn't common. We certainly don't have enough information from TFA to say if this was a complicated kidney stone or not. But from the breathless article we are led to assume that, had it not been for the brave members of the Ecuadorian Navy (who were probably flying back home to Guayaquil anyway), Bezos would have expired in a septic heap.

Re:Rescued? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872157)

Considering it's supposed to be more painful than child birth it might be the kind of thing a man would smash open a wine bottle and cut his jugular for.

Re:Rescued? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872177)

Yes they hurt, I've had them. And indeed, you might not die but you will surely pass out if they are large enough. I agree that the Navy provided transportation, but he was likely not in any imminent danger. Other patients would have been given valium or morphine until you got to a port.

Re: Rescued? (1)

florin (2243) | about 7 months ago | (#45872345)

A kidney stone attack can have very similar symptoms to an acute appendicitis (searing pain around the abdominal area, vomiting) which qualifies as an emergency. It is possible that an accurate diagnosis could not be performed on site.

Other than that, kidney stones are among the most painful afflictions there are. Patients are best brought to a place where windows can't be opened as some may decide to jump out on the spot. They will do anything to get the pain to stop, and a guy like Bezos just happens to have some resources.

Re: Rescued? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872505)

Does it hurt on the left or the right? Diagnosis done.

Re: Rescued? (1)

confused one (671304) | about 7 months ago | (#45872723)

You have kidneys on both sides...

Re: Rescued? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872735)

If you've had even the slightest medical training you'd know that some people's appendix isn't located in the typical place. Therefore your diagnosis would be wrong.

Jeff is a Good Guy - Hope He's OK (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45871991)

Setting aside all the blather, I hope Jeff is doing 'ok'.

Amazon rating (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#45872085)

When asked for comment, Amazon spokesperson Drew Herdener responded via email, writing, "I sent Jeff your note and here's what he sent back: 'Galapagos: five stars. Kidney stones: zero stars.'"

Jeff should know he can't give zero stars. Amazon will only allow a minimum of one star.

Kidney Stones (3, Insightful)

jklovanc (1603149) | about 7 months ago | (#45872181)

The general "treatment" for kidney stones to to fill the patient full of pain killers and/or smooth muscle relaxants and wait. Later an ultrasound would be done to see if other measures need to be taken. Kidney stones [wikipedia.org] are rarely if ever life threatening; They are just very painful.

Below US standards (1)

FuzzNugget (2840687) | about 7 months ago | (#45872423)

I'm sorry, I can't accept any argument that lauds the US healthcare sys^h^h^h business as being worthy of comparison.

I expect (2)

WillyWanker (1502057) | about 7 months ago | (#45872461)

That the kidney stone will serve a life sentence for this unprovoked attack on one of the world's most respected businessmen and all-around asshole?

what an awesome non story (1)

maliqua (1316471) | about 7 months ago | (#45872693)

everyone who gives a shit and thinks this is news worthy raise your hand..

It must be nice... (1)

TDyl (862130) | about 7 months ago | (#45872839)

to live in a country where no-one gives a damn about anyone outside of their family or tiny social groups. As humans we have a duty to protect the weak and disadvantaged - and before you go off on one I am slightly right of Genghis Khan. If we cannot protect and help those that suffer more than we do, then how can we call ourselves human? We have to work for the benefit of all, not just shareholders and VC's/hedgefunds. Societal harmony and protection should be a minimum for anyone. The arrogance and plain ignorance of certain shards of corporate American life (which filters down into how the differing sections of society view each other) is an anathema to trying to advance our civilisation and improving the lot of the majority of our species. The sci-fi books I read (mainly the golden age) as I grew up in the 60's/70's presented a much nicer/better ideal of our world than that the politicians, preachers and flaming libertarian and republicans idiots are trying to form. If we as a global community of - hopefully - right-minded and socially aware techies can change things for the better (Farcebook, Goggle, Twatter etc, I'm looking at you) then we ought to; we should. Sorry for the rant and I'll probably regret it tomorrow. Chris

Amazon delivery drones (1)

david999 (941503) | about 7 months ago | (#45873145)

It would have been better if Jeff Bezos had been picked up and delivered by Amazon delivery drones to a hospital......
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