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BlackBerry Sues iPhone Keyboard Maker Typo

samzenpus posted about 3 months ago | from the everyone-sue-everyone dept.

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judgecorp writes "Typo Products, which makes a physical keyboard for the iPhone 5 and 5S is being sued by BlackBerry. The firm — co-founded by media personality Ryan Seacrest — provides an iPhone case which includes a physical keyboard, whose keys are sculpted very like those of a classic BlackBerry phone. 'From the beginning, BlackBerry has always focused on offering an exceptional typing experience that combines a great design with ergonomic excellence. We are flattered by the desire to graft our keyboard onto other smartphones, but we will not tolerate such activity without fair compensation for using our intellectual property and our technological innovations,' said Steve Zipperstein, BlackBerry’s General Counsel and Chief Legal Officer."

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All I can say to that is... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878423)

who?

Re:All I can say to that is... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878469)

Blackberry used to be a maker of devices that at first were glorified pagers, then started becoming phones. They had a good reputation for security, but BIS was demanded to be backdoored by India, and BES, well, just got shoved to the side by Exchange and SSL/TLS connections and Windows Mobile, then subsequently, iOS/Android devices.

Re:All I can say to that is... (4, Insightful)

multisync (218450) | about 3 months ago | (#45878613)

who?

Apparently he's a celebrity. Wikipedia says he's a radio personality and hosts a show called American Idol.

I had to look it up too.

Re:All I can say to that is... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878773)

who?

Apparently he's a celebrity. Wikipedia says he's a radio personality and hosts a show called American Idol.

I had to look it up too.

Steve Zipperstein?
I thought he was a jewish porn star.

Re:All I can say to that is... (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 3 months ago | (#45878847)

When I lived in Los Angeles, there was a radio announcer by that name. Is he the same person?

Re:All I can say to that is... (1)

multisync (218450) | about 3 months ago | (#45878973)

Probably. It says he hosts "On Air with Ryan Seacrest, a popular morning radio show on KIIS-FM."

Re:All I can say to that is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878767)

My xbox controller has a keyboard.. Maybe Blackberry invented that too!

Re:All I can say to that is... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45879101)

My xbox controller has a keyboard.. Maybe Blackberry invented that too!

Unlikely, your Xbox controller has rounded edges, and therefore was invented by Apple.

Do those things actually sell? (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 3 months ago | (#45878433)

I'm surprised that anyone who's used a decent touch screen would want a micro-qwerty. Admitted I have only used Blackberry keyboards occasionally, but they didn't strike me as very easy to use.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 months ago | (#45878447)

it's way better for longer inputs.. 'cause you can see what you type and go by feel.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (2)

Chrisq (894406) | about 3 months ago | (#45878495)

it's way better for longer inputs.. 'cause you can see what you type and go by feel.

That would explain why I didn't think much of it - I didn't use it for nearly long enough to be able to type by feel.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (2)

Imagix (695350) | about 3 months ago | (#45878531)

Give me a choice between the touch-screen keyboard and a physical, I will pick the physical almost every time. (It would have to be a pretty bad physical keyboard for me to pick the touch-screen one...) I've used the Blackberry keyboards since the beginning of Blackberry. They've always been better than the touch-screen versions (Blackberry, Android, iOS, all of them). (Of course, this is all IMHO)

Re:Do those things actually sell? (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 3 months ago | (#45878645)

I used to be like that as well (although never liked the BlackBerry keyboards). Swype on Android changed my mind in a big way.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about 3 months ago | (#45879107)

Swype on Android changed my mind in a big way.

I have to second this ... I can type faster with Swype on a touch screen than I can with the key-press on the virtual keyboard.

Obviously, nowhere near as fast as I can with a full-sized keyboard, but the spell out the word in a continuous motion works really well for me.

My mother in law can't do it, because she finds she has to think about the key locations (she touch types, but doesn't consciously know where the keys are). For me, I think it's a pretty nice way to type.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (3, Informative)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about 3 months ago | (#45879135)

I used to be like that as well (although never liked the BlackBerry keyboards). Swype on Android changed my mind in a big way.

Exact opposite for me. I tried "swyping" for about 30 seconds before purging it from my phone with extreme prejudice. Regular QWERTY on a touchscreen is bad enough. I really want my H/W keyboard back.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45879331)

Well, that was a fair test.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45879395)

Yeah... For me it was the same with sex. After 30 seconds, I didn't have an orgasm, so I just gave up on sex.

More seriously, you are an idiot.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45879217)

I loved physical keyboards til I found the voice typing button on my phone. Click button, say a few sentences, correct if necessary, even quicker than swype. Still I feel weird talking to my phone, but it is so much faster its incredible.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45879229)

Can't type without looking at the screen w/ Swype, but on a BlackBerry or Nokia or anything else w/ a physical keyboard? I can type one-handed without looking at the screen, so I can read the screen briefly and compose a reply in my head, then write it out as I'm walking elsehere without ending up nose-in-screen and forehead-in-lamppost.

Swype on Android changed my mind in a big way? (1)

phorm (591458) | about 3 months ago | (#45879393)

Now you can send embarrassing typos with complete wrong words instead of just mistyped characters?

Seriously though, I thought that autocorrect was bad, but swype seems to have a real twisted sense of humor.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about 3 months ago | (#45879397)

I used to be like that as well (although never liked the BlackBerry keyboards). Swype on Android changed my mind in a big way.

I use swype as well. Far superior to normal onscreen keyboards. I still would prefer a physical keyboard. That Tactus keyboard [tactustechnology.com] that put out some prototype videos last July looks like a good solution. I don't see a single product featuring Tactus yet, though. Seems like it's been long enough that they should be in full swing if they were going to be.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45879649)

opposite for me as well. I wish there was a good Android phone that had a real physical keyboard. If blackberry ran phones with Android this would also solve my problems. touchscreen for typing is unacceptable.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878753)

years back i had a palm treo pro that had a really nice little physical keyboard. i think the tactile response of real buttons made it easier for me to type.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878669)

I've tried the touch screen of nearly every Android device I can find, and none are anywhere close to a physical keyboard. I can't stand BB, so I have a sliding keyboard case for my S3.

Even Swype sucks in comparison.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (1)

camperdave (969942) | about 3 months ago | (#45879283)

Did you ever try MessagEase? It takes a little getting used to, but it's a lot easier to use for those who don't have emaciated, spindly little fingers.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (2)

Antipater (2053064) | about 3 months ago | (#45878701)

I don't know what qualifies as a "decent" touchscreen, but if they're out there I've never found one. I have never found a touchscreen that I was able to use without at least two typos per sentence. Large hands + small keys = no fun.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45879315)

oh, right, so large hands + microscopic bb keys = full of win ?

Re:Do those things actually sell? (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about 3 months ago | (#45878731)

The issue with Apple is that you don't have the choice of software keyboard.

A physical keyboard isn't as interesting in Android, where you can Swype or Swift, or whatever.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878827)

To each their own. I'll take a physical keyboard over Swype any day.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about 3 months ago | (#45878885)

For some tasks, there's no substitute for a physical keyboard, if there were, we'd have have switched to them on computers everywhere.

But that's not my point. My point is that on Android, where you can pick and choose between numerous on-screen keyboards, the option of a physical micro-keyboard isn't as big of a deal as it is on Apple, where you have exactly one system keyboard.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (4, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 3 months ago | (#45879193)

Yeah, recently used my mother-in-law's phone over the holidays, and I have to say that I abhor the Apple keyboard. The keys always show upper case letters, which comping from somebody who's used to Android, I found this quite annoying. The only difference between "shift" being pressed is whether or not the arrow is filled in, and I can't tell you if filled in arrow means that the shift key is on or off.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (0)

csumpi (2258986) | about 3 months ago | (#45878783)

"I'm surprised that anyone who's used a micro-qwerty would want a touch screen keyboard."

There, I fixed it for you.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | about 3 months ago | (#45878829)

It took me a long time to finally upgrade from a slider phone with a physical keyboard to one without. The physical keyboard gives tactile feedback and is much less sensitive to fat-fingered typing than any on-screen keyboard I've used... both of which make typing considerably faster. I would have gotten another slider phone, but they don't seem to make them anymore except for a few very low-end models.

Re:Do those things actually sell? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 3 months ago | (#45879491)

I was a little hesitant about going for a phone with no buttons, but personally, It's been the best phone I've ever had. My phone without buttons (not and iPhone, but brand doesn't matter here) has actually lasted the longest of all my cellphones. In every other phone I've had, some of the buttons, or the flip of screen, or some other movable aspect of the phone brakes. When there's no moving parts on the phone, there's just much less to brake. Actually, my phone still has volume and power buttons, which I'd wish they'd find a way to get rid of.

Typo? (4, Funny)

EMG at MU (1194965) | about 3 months ago | (#45878451)

The name of a smartphone keyboard manufacturer is Typo?

Also, Ryan Seacrest [typokeyboards.com] is a founder of the company.

Re:Typo? (1)

FilmedInNoir (1392323) | about 3 months ago | (#45878693)

They should make an IPhone case that turns it in to an N-Gage next. Then change name of company to FuglyCase

Re:Typo? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 months ago | (#45878769)

i don't think any case can turn iphone into what ngage really was: the cheapest smartphone on the market. ..only reason if it lost money was the stupid expensive marketing drive(it was just 3650 in different case + extra ram - camera).

If the case goes to trial... (5, Funny)

JoeyRox (2711699) | about 3 months ago | (#45878467)

their attorney will need to spend his entire opening argument introducing the jury to Blackberry phones.

Re:If the case goes to trial... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878961)

Seacrest out.

IP trolling begins for dying telecom provider. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878503)

A network of IP trolls, these phone companies. There can be only one, the quickening!

Re:IP trolling begins for dying telecom provider. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878655)

this is not trolling since they actually sold BILIONS of devices with that type of keyboard, some people say that 90% of value of blackberry is keyboard so if cheapest blackberry device is $300 than i don't see problems with iPhone users paying 90% of that ($270) for opportunity to use that (really great) physical keyboard on their iPhone.

they even said themselves they don't want to stop it from selling, they just want their fair share of profits since they spend a lot of money marketing and developing that specific product

Re:IP trolling begins for dying telecom provider. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878709)

90% of the value is the backend and security of the system.

Re:IP trolling begins for dying telecom provider. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878719)

If 90% is keyboard, 10% phone, you're making my argument for me...

Why? (2)

cyberchondriac (456626) | about 3 months ago | (#45878505)

The keyboard on a Blackberry is a fucking joke, made for people with tiny fingertips..at least, on my Bold touch model. I can barely use the thing, I hate it. It's my work phone though, so I had no choice in the matter.

Re:Why? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878607)

The keyboard on a Blackberry is a fucking joke, made for people with tiny fingertip

You're supposed to type with your dick.

Re:Why? (1)

cyberchondriac (456626) | about 3 months ago | (#45879063)

The keyboard on a Blackberry is a fucking joke, made for people with tiny fingertip

You're supposed to type with your dick.

That's funny, coming from a RIM licker.

Re:Why? (1)

csumpi (2258986) | about 3 months ago | (#45878813)

No way you used a blackberry keyboard. I have fat fingers and can type many times faster on the blackberry keyboard than on any other smartphone keyboard, be that physical or touch screen. _The_ best thing about blackberries is the keyboard. Although I have to say the new blackberry OS is pretty good, too. Shame it's too late.

Re:Why? (1)

cyberchondriac (456626) | about 3 months ago | (#45879037)

Um, yeah, pretty sure... it says BlackBerry right on it, and "Bold" on the back. :D The keys are so tiny and cramped. I constantly keep hitting adjacent keys. The entire keyboard is only 2 1/2 inches wide. That's about 3/16 ths of an inch per key. Granted I have pretty wide thumbtips but still.. I'll take my iPhone or an Android over that anyday, I don't really have a problem with soft keyboards (especially if they give an audible "click"). Also, I hate having to hit "alt" just for a period or comma. (I know, dbl space adds a comma but that doesn't help when you're typing an IP address)
At least this one has a touch screen, which helps a bit when navigating.. not real crazy about the center button either.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45879347)

You're doing something wrong. My hands are huge and I have no problem typing on a blackberry.

Re:Why? (1)

jittles (1613415) | about 3 months ago | (#45879323)

No way you used a blackberry keyboard. I have fat fingers and can type many times faster on the blackberry keyboard than on any other smartphone keyboard, be that physical or touch screen. _The_ best thing about blackberries is the keyboard. Although I have to say the new blackberry OS is pretty good, too. Shame it's too late.

I agree with the GP. The keyboard on the blackberry is terrible. You must not really have fat fingers or you know some secret that we do not. I can barely type on the blackberry. Give me a touchscreen with a good autocorrect or Swype and I can type pretty fast on a smart phone. I have turned down a work phone on more than one occasion to avoid the Blackberry. Thankfully most companies don't use them anymore.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45879463)

You type with your thumbs. i've owned a BB 8330 once, and I can definitely say that typing on it is quicker than on an iPhone or any touch screen.

Obviousness (3, Insightful)

mbstone (457308) | about 3 months ago | (#45878543)

They shamelessly copied the look of the BlackBerry keyboard. So what. The design of a QWERTY keyboard isn't an original work of authorship, nor is it nonobvious, nor are QWERTY keyboards associated with BB in the minds of members of the public.. No copyright, no patent, no trademark.

Case dismissed.

BB should buy the thing if it has any money left.

Re:Obviousness (3, Informative)

SerpentMage (13390) | about 3 months ago | (#45878591)

Not so quick... The design of the BB keyboard is original. If you have ever held one in your hand you would see what I mean. There is a slight pitch and the keys are angled a certain way. I am no fan of BB keyboards, but I can see the attraction by some. This is a blatant copy, and does deserve to be sued. For example this is like Samsung and its phones. They are blatant copies. In contrast look at the Sony Xperia's, or the Nokia's and you see original design.

Re:Obviousness (2)

mbstone (457308) | about 3 months ago | (#45878831)

1. Patent all the possible angles of key tilt and pitch on QWERTY keyboards.

2. Demand $3000 from each owner of a QWERTY keyboard, just less than the cost of a bare-bones legal defense.

3. Profit!!

Re:Obviousness (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 3 months ago | (#45879203)

1. Patent all the possible angles of key tilt and pitch on QWERTY keyboards.

Why bother patenting all those permutations? Your process can be simplified into the following:

1. Patent evenly spaced sequences of rounded cubes.
2. Sue everybody.
3. Profit!!

Re:Obviousness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878837)

I'd have to agree. I thought it was a blackberry for a moment when I opened the page.

http://i.imgur.com/FXQaOjx.png

Re:Obviousness (1)

StripedCow (776465) | about 3 months ago | (#45879133)

The design of the BB keyboard is original. If you have ever held one in your hand you would see what I mean. There is a slight pitch and the keys are angled a certain way.

The optimal pitch and angle of the keys can be easily found using a structured search. Anyone who performs such a search will arrive at the same outcome, simply because it is structured. Hence, no patent should have been awarded to this particular design.

Re:Obviousness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878755)

They shamelessly copied the look of the BlackBerry keyboard.

It's an open and shut case.

Re:Obviousness (-1, Troll)

csumpi (2258986) | about 3 months ago | (#45878865)

So what.

Huh. Pretty funny. If it was Apple suing, you'd be all supportive. I mean look at that phone, it has a touch screen, charges over USB and has a backdoor for the NSA. Those are obviously Apple original only features, magically invented by Apple, doesn't even matter if it's patented. Apple wins, case dismissed.

Re:Obviousness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45879025)

Lol. S3 user here but if you think that the NSA doesn't have a backdoor into every Android device there is, I have a bridge to sell you.

Re:Obviousness (1)

afxgrin (208686) | about 3 months ago | (#45878949)

BlackBerry has been sued (and lost) many times over obvious shit. This is just the nature of the game.

Re:Obviousness (1)

Salgat (1098063) | about 3 months ago | (#45879049)

Have you seen the two? They are virtually identical. It's so blantantly obvious they stole it that it's hard to argue against Blackberry's case unless copying identical designs is considered okay.

If you can't innovate, litigate... (2, Insightful)

ckhorne (940312) | about 3 months ago | (#45878563)

Blackberry is dying. If their only move is to sue people trying to imitate their "exceptional typing experience," then the death knell isn't far away...

Re:If you can't innovate, litigate... (4, Insightful)

guytoronto (956941) | about 3 months ago | (#45878637)

Who says it's their only move? Apple sues others trying to imitate the "Apple experience. Is Apply dying?

Re:If you can't innovate, litigate... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878717)

more like fagtoronto, amirite?

Re:If you can't innovate, litigate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45879121)

Who says it's their only move? Apple sues others trying to imitate the "Apple experience. Is Apply dying?

That depends on who you ask. Apart from Microsoft Apple are the only major mobile device manufacturer who has not been sucked into the Android monoculture. To some people that's 'dying' to others it's competing.

Re:If you can't innovate, litigate... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878923)

Perhaps SCO should sue Blackberry for "trying to imitate their exceptional suing people for trivial things that should never get to court experience".

*I was going to say Apple instead of SCO, but I wanted to to for funny troll, rather than outright troll.

Re:If you can't innovate, litigate... (1)

Capt.DrumkenBum (1173011) | about 3 months ago | (#45879285)

And so it begins...
Blackberry (I preferred when they were called RIM, and every few months there was a story about RIM jobs being lost.) has begun their long descent into patent trolldom.
Please die soon.

New joke? (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 3 months ago | (#45878571)

So, does this mean that Slashdot's resident patent critics will now now stop poking fun at companies who patent rounded rectangles and upgrade to three dimensional patent joking by making fun of companies who sue other companies over regularly spaced sequences of rounded boxes? I for one would welcome a change. That rounded rectangles joke is getting so old it has grown a long white beard , plus 3D patent joking is just way cooler that 2D patent jokes.

Re:New joke? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878863)

If it keeps happening, wouldn't we poke fun harder?

Or do you think going full retard and copyrighting the idea of something like a clock would silence us all and end the mockery?

What? (0)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about 3 months ago | (#45878605)

Blackberry should be grateful that anyone is even willing to copy them, the BB10 line of phone is the worst "innovation" in mobile technology, maybe of all time. Putting a keyboard on a phone is not a new concept, at one time all phone had at least some form of keyboard. It should be, in a fair system, extremely hard for Blackberry to defend that another company stole there keyboard design. Blackberry hardly innovated the mobile keyboard, in someways they did it injustice, except for the 9900 line, all other keyboards ever offered by Blackberry were just small and incorrectly laid out in every conceivable way.

From an ergonomics stand point, the new BB10 line is a curse to use and operate. The interface design, which is the "staple" of any mobile system, has the layout and usability that would be expected from an elementary school child programming for the first time. It hides almost all functionally off the screen, under buttons in menus and side screens, it doesn't implement swipe properly and it's a cluttered, messy, disorganized shamble.

In the last year I've had the opportunity to use the Q10, Z10, Z30, iPhone 4s, HTC One and S3. Without a doubt the Z10, 30 and Q10 left me wanting to throw my phone at wall almost constantly. It is so infuriating to try and do any meaningful work on the Blackberry that I ended up giving the phone back to the company I work for. It was a productivity curse, the drop in quality from the 9900 line to the new BB10 line is amazing, I don't know what Blackberry was thinking but they failed 100% in any attempt to change the company's image, I still see them as the trashy, cheap, garbage phones they always have been. They deserve to go out of business, as well as anyone who can honestly say BB10 is a good platform.

If I was Blackberry I would humbled that anyone even wanted to copy me, Blackberry made one usable keyboard and that was it, they never innovated anything else to a point that would make a Canadian proud or an employe happy to go to work. Just cut your loses Blackberry, you've failed outright in creating a new mobile experience.

Re:What? (1)

narcc (412956) | about 3 months ago | (#45878729)

You're delusional. The BB10 UI was nearly universally praised. For multitasking, it's still unmatched. Its gesture suite, unlike iOS, is simple and intuitive.

It hides almost all functionally off the screen, under buttons in menus and side screens

WTF are you talking about?

Re:What? (4, Interesting)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about 3 months ago | (#45878869)

Anyone who praises the BB10 UI, I don't want to know or develop with. It's multitasking is hardly impressive, I have used a variety of new phones and I can honestly draw the comparison from my own testing. Android blows the Blackberry out of the water, through the roof and through the sky, it's actually very sad.

As for hiding under buttons and menu's, go into the Hub and press delete without opening a menu, when you can't do that, try to forward a message without going into a menu. If you, as a company, push new mobile innovation, make sure it's amazing and well laid out. BB10 has the chance to become ergonomic and usable but it's going to take a large UI redesign, in the way a user interfaces to the platform, that is what they badly messed up and that is what needs a massive overhaul.

I know approx, 7 people who raved about Blackberry, were very excited about BB10, were expecting to pick up the Z10 and Q10 and support the company. 6 of them, including my father, hate the Q10 and Z10 so much that they have now cursed the death of Blackberry. My dad's own words, "Fuck this horrible piece of shit, did anyone at the Blackberry even given a second though to the interface!" If you like the phones the cool but I personally, and many I know, hate them. I've heard the platform cursed about 10:1, as in for every 10 people who hate it, 1 likes it.

Re:What? (1)

Rigel47 (2991727) | about 3 months ago | (#45879391)

Interesting.. I came from android to BB10 and it was a pleasant upgrade. Android just feels like a desktop OS crammed onto a phone. multi-tasking sucks, apps get randomly killed, the whole things slows down. Z10, especially upgraded to 10.2 OS is smooth as butter. I can switch between apps, settings, and messages with total ease. And rumor is that shortly you'll be able to install apps directly from the Play Store.

Re:What? (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about 3 months ago | (#45879487)

Interesting you've have the exact opposite experience as me. I went from Android -> iOS - > Blackberry, quickly to, Android.

Re:What? (1)

phorm (591458) | about 3 months ago | (#45879417)

I like my Q10 for work stuff, but frankly the Q10's keyboard is not as usable as the old bold. The main reason for this seems to be that the keys are mashed together. I noticed that a "Q5" is available (how do they come up with these numbers??), which has keys spaced in the more usable "chiclet" fashion.

Re:What? (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about 3 months ago | (#45879509)

I found the Q10 keyboard springy to the point it's annoying, like a very very cheap desktop keyboard. It would be insane to suggest a mechanical keyboard for a phone but the Q10 / Q5 has a keyboard that feels so cheap and horrible it insults keyboards.

Re:What? (-1, Troll)

csumpi (2258986) | about 3 months ago | (#45878909)

the BB10 line of phone is the worst "innovation" in mobile technology, maybe of all time

You're a moron, shouting your idiotic opinion, based on some BS articles you read on the internet.

You know what's the worst "innovation" in mobile technology? The keyboard on iOS 7. Where the keys don't change when you are typing caps vs lower case.

Re:What? (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about 3 months ago | (#45878971)

Actually I'm drawing my opinion based on the fact I've used the Q10, Z10 and Z30. I don't need to read articles, I've drawn my own conclusions based on experience.

Re:What? (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 3 months ago | (#45879271)

You know what's the worst "innovation" in mobile technology? The keyboard on iOS 7. Where the keys don't change when you are typing caps vs lower case.

That would be exactly the same then as any existing keyboard on any typewrite or computer. Changing the display of the keys would be just irritating. And obviously when it counts (symbols, numbers etc. ) the display does change.

Re:keys don't change when you are typing caps (0)

DocSavage64109 (799754) | about 3 months ago | (#45879515)

I never realized it before, but my pc's keyboard doesn't change case on the labels either! I'm going to have to demand a new keyboard that rectifies that problem.

Grasping (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878631)

Once Blackberry changes its business model to litigation they will get back all the fans they lost.

what is tolerable is ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878667)

the incompetence that brought them to the brink of destruction.

Not clear what the patent infringement is... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878671)

There have been many, many non-blackberry phones with keyboards, I haven't heard of any of them being sued.

For example, the Nokia 9000 had a keyboard in 1996: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_9000_Communicator [wikipedia.org]

Blackberry might have a valid case, but it would be handy if the specific patents were cited...

Re:Not clear what the patent infringement is... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#45878905)

It is all about how the keys look, not that it is a keyboard. The beveling on the keys are made to make it easier to type with your thumbs. I see the novelty in it, but am not sure it should be patentable. Look for yourself:

http://typokeyboards.com/
http://www.dogtownmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/blackberry-mobile-acquired.jpg

Patent? (3, Insightful)

ciurana (2603) | about 3 months ago | (#45878683)

The article doesn't clarify if BlackBerry patented the keyboard layout and set up, and whether the patent is still in effect.

If so, they are well within their rights to enforce it. Typo Products can probably work out a deal with them, et tutti contenti.

If the patent has expired, or if it was never granted/never filed... suck it, BlackBerry. You should know better.

Cheers!

Hmm, that reminds me of something... (5, Informative)

rfolkker (443051) | about 3 months ago | (#45878789)

It's funny, when the Blackberry Curve came out, I remember thinking of how much the keyboard and layout reminded me of my Treo 600...

And now, ~10 years later, Blackberry is suing someone for something they didn't even create... I don't see Handspring/Palm/PalmOne having a tiff about it (but then again, maybe if they sued everyone who came out with something more desirable than their product, they might still be around soaking up others' profits...)

Don't get me wrong. I believe that someone who creates something has a right to profit off of it, without some second-rate hack coming in and stealing the idea out from under them.

But, seriously, the keyboard design? It wasn't original when it was on the Blackberry, and it still isn't original now that Blackberry is going the way of the dodo.

Re:Hmm, that reminds me of something... (4, Insightful)

netsavior (627338) | about 3 months ago | (#45878987)

the keyboard they copied isn't the crappy one from the curve, which is a pretty standard smartphone keyboard, and was nothing special to type on... They copied the keyboard from the "Bold" which was the best "narrow" keyboard ever made for a device. The "Typo" is very clearly an EXACT copy of the bold keyboard, right down to the metal trim, color, genius button shape (keys gently raised on one side so you can use keys that are smaller than your fingers, but still have the keys touching).

They keyboard IS something special, and IS subject to a patent. Is blackberry going to rise from the dead? no. Are they entitled to control the use of their design? I think so. The Typo is clearly a "distinctly blackberry keyboard for your iphone" which isn't really "fair"

Desperation or churning? (0)

ElitistWhiner (79961) | about 3 months ago | (#45878877)

Lawyers earn and no better way is there than to churn. In the interest of protecting a client, its a quick action to take because they can. Just because they could doesn't mean they should. SO this could be a legal action outside the sphere of Blackberry just doing what they do - churn to earn.

OR Blackberry in its desperation could be attacking all comers to its last remaining properties. It's interesting that there exists professionals for whom Blackberry remains an essential AND want to integrate other devices adding keyboard functionality. But this device looked like it was too much of a ' kludge' for my personal tastes. I chose not to pursue the $100 case for iPhone with keyboard.

AND I think that threshold barrier to purchase is reason enough that Blackberry have no case of patent infringement since keyboards have been around for awhile now. Adding a bluetooth keyboard case for iPhone doesn't equate to a Blackberry phone.

I own the letter A-Pay up (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 3 months ago | (#45879047)

Looking at the two keyboards, the only similarity is the indent on the inside corner of the keys.

As it is, the shape of the keyboard is not the same, the BlackBerry is kind of the bottom half of an ellipsoid, the Typo goes to the edge of the iPhone, so is the bottom part of a rounded edge rectangle.

Many of the keys do not even have the same function outside the qwerty So the only thing that is ismilar is that dropped corner. Is it patented?

I suspect as in so many things, personal support for RIM's case is probably based on the user's dislike of Apple. Any bad news even for outfits that provide aftermarket devices for iPhone is good news for some folks

Re:I own the letter A-Pay up (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | about 3 months ago | (#45879325)

I have a BlackBerry Bold (given to me by my work). I compared the keyboard on that vs the Typo one to see which keys had the same functionality. Ignoring the obvious QWERTY similarities (which would be true of pretty much any mobile keyboard), the first row had 8 keys exactly the same and 2 different. The second row had all 10 keys the same. The third row was 7 same and 3 different. And the last row was 2.5 the same and 4.5 different. (The "half" coming from a Bluetooth function on the Typo that isn't on my Blackberry's keyboard yet having the zero key in the same spot.) In total, that's 27.5 keys the same and 9.5 different.

Functionality-wise, the keyboard is about 74% the same as the Blackberry Bold's keyboard. This is close, but gives enough room to speculate that it's not close enough to be covered under any patents Blackberry might have. Plus, other mobile keyboards might have similar layouts which would bolster Typo's case that they were just following some "industry standard" layout and not a patented Blackberry layout.

Prior to this article... (2)

goofyspouse (817551) | about 3 months ago | (#45879561)

...how many of us knew this keyboard/case existed? It really is sad to see what has become of RIM/BlackBerry.
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