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How Chris Christie Could Use the NSA Playbook

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the wasn't-there-didn't-do-it-and-I-shot-the-only-witness dept.

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Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Conor Friedersdorf has written a tongue-in-cheek article in The Atlantic advising New Jersey Governor Chris Christie how he can use the NSA playbook to successfully defend himself of the charges that a senior member of his staff was involved in shutting down George Washington Bridge traffic, a stunt meant to punish the mayor of an affected town for opposing his reelection. Christie's NSA-inspired explanation would include the following points: There are almost 9 million people in New Jersey, and only one was targeted for retribution, an impressively tiny error rate lower than .001 percent; The bridge closure was vital to national security because [redacted]; Since the George Washington Bridge is a potential terrorist target, everything that may or may not have happened near it is a state secret; Going after a political rival is wrong but it's important to put this event in context; Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich was the only target of non-compliant behavior. No other Fort Lee resident was ever targeted for retribution, and any delays that any Fort Lee resident experienced were totally inadvertent and incidental; Finally a panel will be formed to figure out how to restore the public's faith in Chris Christie. "To some readers, these talking points may seem absurd or deliberately misleading," concludes Friedersdorf, "but there isn't any denying that so far they're working okay for the NSA.""

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266 comments

beacon of freedom (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45925787)

it is really telling that the public official closed the bridge illegally and nobody is sitting in jail for this.

Re:beacon of freedom (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45925817)

“Chris Christie is dealing with a scandal after it was revealed that a top aide shut down access to the George Washington Bridge to get back at a Democratic mayor for not endorsing him. Christie was furious when they blocked the bridge because he thought they said they were blocking the fridge.” –Jimmy Fallon

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/republicans/a/Chris-Christie-Jokes.htm [about.com]

Re:beacon of freedom (0, Troll)

felrom (2923513) | about 6 months ago | (#45925875)

It is really telling that the ATF gave over 2500 guns to Mexican drug cartels, and no one from the ATF, DOJ, or Obama Administration is sitting in jail.
It is really telling that the IRS targeted political opponents during an election year, and no one from the IRS, DOT, or Obama Administration is sitting in jail.
It is really telling that Obama campaign donors at Solyndra got $500,000,000 of tax payer money, promptly went bankrupt, and no one from the DOE is sitting in jail.
It is really telling that the Fed prints $75,000,000,000 a month, totaling over $4,000,000,000,000 in the last 5 years, and no one from the fed is sitting in jail.
It is really telling that the president himself breaks the PPACA on a daily basis by announcing parts he will be temporarily or permanently not enforcing, and he's not sitting in jail.

The level of law breaking that goes on in the government today is so great that the telling thing is not that a governor illegally closed a bridge as political retribution against a rival. The telling thing will be when we actually put a government official in a jail cell for breaking the law. At best, people who have been responsible for crimes on behalf of the government get fired. Sometimes they're just reassigned or have to move offices. More often, nothing at all happens.

Re:beacon of freedom (4, Insightful)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about 6 months ago | (#45925983)

It is really telling that your entire list refers to a certain Democratic president, and mixes in things that (in your opinion) are bad policy. There are plenty of legitimate complaints about corruption in government, and then there are partisan shills. By acting as the latter, you demonstrate that you have no real concern about the former.

Re:beacon of freedom (4, Insightful)

cold fjord (826450) | about 6 months ago | (#45926011)

By labeling that poster a "shill" you are obviously attempting to delegitimize the criticism over policy matters. Should we likewise label you a "shill" acting in defense of the administration or its policies? Apparently nobody here can hold an opinion without being a "shill." That does get to be tedious.

Re:beacon of freedom (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926037)

I don't think you're a shill, but I do think that you slurp the NSA's collective mommasack.

Re:beacon of freedom (-1, Flamebait)

cold fjord (826450) | about 6 months ago | (#45926083)

I think you may have a character defect.

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926141)

I think you may have a character defect.

says the guy in the mirror

Re:beacon of freedom (-1, Flamebait)

cold fjord (826450) | about 6 months ago | (#45926169)

If you listen to that guy in the mirror you might make some progress in addressing those defects.

You must be a terror on the playground.

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926397)

I'm a terror on your mom's playground!

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926205)

Wow! You just balewed the NSA's dry, dry mommasack! Now that's rectum-lickin' good!

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926045)

So now we have to make sure everybody gets the exact same level of complaint? Did we get exactly the same amount of complaint between black and white people, male and female, dem and rep, human and alien?

Instead of claiming it was one sided, how about adding 5 things to the list so we have 10 examples from both sides of crap our gov has done

Re:beacon of freedom (2)

inode_buddha (576844) | about 6 months ago | (#45926243)

Its called "intelectual honesty". Try it sometime.

Re:beacon of freedom (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926049)

Or maybe the president for the past couple of years has been a fucking democrat and recent examples are the first ones that came to mind?

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926099)

I voted for the guy, but think he's a shit now. This is but a fraction of the reasons why.

Re:beacon of freedom (2, Insightful)

cold fjord (826450) | about 6 months ago | (#45926159)

It is really telling that your entire list refers to a certain Democratic president, and mixes in things that (in your opinion) are bad policy.

If you're going to criticize the President that is actually in power you are stuck criticizing Obama at the moment. Don't you think it is fair to criticize him for the policies and actions of his administration?

You call him a "shill," and yet you are attacking the commenter for criticizing the only president in power he can comment on, not the comments. What does that make you?

Can we store your comment until after the next election and flip "Democrat" to "Republican" to use on you? It will probably be just as applicable.

Re:beacon of freedom (4, Interesting)

guises (2423402) | about 6 months ago | (#45926295)

He's a shill because he's phrasing his criticism of the president (in the middle of a conversation about the governor of New Jersey) in a way that implies neutrality. He claims to be talking about corruption in government, and yet for some reason every one of his examples (other than "the fed") is either related to the president or is claimed to relate to the president. Again, in a conversation that has nothing to do with the president.

The reason he ignored GP's comments is because it's been done to death. Anyone reading this who doesn't know the reasoning behind each of those is blinded by partisanship.

Briefly though, because the Solyndra BS pisses me off more than any of the others:

I would fucking *love it* if the federal government would start making solar panels and selling them to people directly, but certain agitators would start screaming about socialism if the money isn't given to private interests instead. When you give money to to private companies there's always the chance that they'll go bankrupt. That's how it works. If you look at the whole program, rather than just at Solyndra, most of the companies did fine - a better success rate than most programs like this one.

Re:beacon of freedom (2, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 6 months ago | (#45926189)

You are correct that he should not have brought the Fed's stimulus into this discussion and probably not Solyndra or PPACA (at least not the way in which he did). However, the point to note is that the media have already spent more time covering the bridge closing than it has the IRS targeting Obama political opponents (both in slow walking applications for non-profit status and starting audits against those who have spoken out about problems with PPACA), or on the Fast & Furious gun running by the BATF to Mexican drug cartels.

Re:beacon of freedom (1, Insightful)

readin (838620) | about 6 months ago | (#45926327)

It is really telling that your entire list refers to a certain Democratic president, and mixes in things that (in your opinion) are bad policy.

You're right. Maybe we should do something about that guy.

But we won't. When Nixon did similar stuff, the Republican senators went to him and told him it was time to go. He resigned in disgrace. The Republican senators and representatives were punished mercilessly for it and lost many seats in Congress. The Democrats have learned the lesson well - in this age of widespread ignorance their political fortunes depend more on the popularity of their president or presidential candidate than it does on their individual actions. The demonstrated in with Clinton that they will defend their guy no matter what (even when he lies under oath - that used to be a big deal). They certainly won't go after Obama.

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45925995)

The reason nothing happens anymore is as a society we have the attention span of a Gnat. The NSA and govt officials know it only has to survive until the next big news story. Once the next news story breaks, they are clear and free.

Re:beacon of freedom (4, Informative)

_KiTA_ (241027) | about 6 months ago | (#45926121)

It is really telling that the ATF gave over 2500 guns to Mexican drug cartels, and no one from the ATF, DOJ, or Obama Administration is sitting in jail.
It is really telling that the IRS targeted political opponents during an election year, and no one from the IRS, DOT, or Obama Administration is sitting in jail.
It is really telling that Obama campaign donors at Solyndra got $500,000,000 of tax payer money, promptly went bankrupt, and no one from the DOE is sitting in jail.
It is really telling that the Fed prints $75,000,000,000 a month, totaling over $4,000,000,000,000 in the last 5 years, and no one from the fed is sitting in jail.
It is really telling that the president himself breaks the PPACA on a daily basis by announcing parts he will be temporarily or permanently not enforcing, and he's not sitting in jail.

Wow, that's a fun list. I count 3... 4? outright lies, 4 completely made up scandals, 1 thing taken completely out of context, several words that don't mean what you think they mean, and a complete lack of understanding as to how civics works.

It's always fun to debunk these kinds of lists, because I always learn something new, usually something that makes me proud of what our country is doing.

The only sad thing is that it takes me hours and the people posting them will either blindly ad hominem them ("YOU LINKED DAILYKOS THAT MEANS YOU ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD~!~!"), call me a "liberal commy fagg 'MERICA hater", or ignore me and go right back to posting about how Obama was raised by Karl Marx on the Socialist Moonbase on the dark side of Mars or something. Or go back to quoting from the sites those guys run. Same difference, really.

Anyway, lets go!

1. Fast and Furious was made up. The entire thing was based on one right wing ATF source, who was discovered to be lying. It has been debunked so often that even the actual GOP doesn't mention it, only ultra-far right idiots in the Tea Party talk about it nowadays.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/irs-scandal-democratic-acorn_n_3785717.html [huffingtonpost.com]

2. Ditto for the IRS scandal, which was also made up. Darrel Issa asked the investigator to ignore the fact that the IRS was looking at all groups claiming to be charities, as they are REQUIRED TO DO BY LAW, and merely provide him talking points on Republican ones. The real scandal? The IRS failed to notice 10 out of 11 of the Koch brothers fake charities were fake charities. You'll note that Issa doesn't even bother talking about this one anymore, he's too busy trying to use Benghazi to kneecap President Hilary Clinton before her 2016 victory.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/26/1219172/-Here-s-how-Darrell-Issa-manufactured-the-IRS-scandal [dailykos.com]

3. Solyndra's loan was one of Bush's projects, not Obama's, and there's a HUGE difference between George Kaiser (a billionaire who raised a whopping 50-100k for Obama) and the Kaiser Family Foundation (a charity he started). There's a whole boatload more of made up crap about Solyndra, it's a very transparent manufactured scandal to try and drive us away from Solar and Wind technologies -- because oil will never run out or anything. I'll just leave this link as an exercise to the reader:
http://ourfuture.org/20120926/the-phony-solyndra-solar-scandal [ourfuture.org]

4. Literally not true. The "Fed prints $75,000,000,000" is such a common meme that there are so many Tea Party sites shatting it out that it's hard to discover it's source. Took a while, but I found it - The fed is buying back a bunch of T-Bonds and Mortgage Bonds at the rate of 75 billion a month as part of the stimulus package, but that's not "printing money." The Feds have a FAQ entry up on it here, for those who don't roll their eyes at the idea of believing what "the man" tells you.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/money_12853.htm [federalreserve.gov]

5. Yes, since the law is currently suffering intentional sabotage from the GOP, parts of it are working sub-optimally. So various agencies -- not "the president himself," what, do you think he's running around like Dr. Claw dictating things? -- have elected not to enforce the law until the situation improves. This isn't illegal or even wrong. Or do you really want to be the one that needs to let Bush know he's in deep doo doo for telling the EPA not to enforce any environmental laws and regulations?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/the-massive-republican-ca_b_4311424.html [huffingtonpost.com]

So there we go. 5 non scandals -- either outright made up bullshit (1, 2, 3) or a complete and possibly intentional misstating of the situation (4, 5).

Re:beacon of freedom (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926165)

I agree with the OP comments, but I like to read rebuttals.

I read the one about fast and furious that you said was completely made up (Over 200 dead Mexicans disagree), so I followed you link, even though it was Huff Post. I figured the Huff Post would have a link to where the information that it was fake would be. It didn't even MENTION Fast and Furious.

Were you just posting random links hoping people wouldn't follow them? It talked about the IRS scadal, and I've read the DNC talking points on that and they are all lies. No right wing group got tax exempt status for over 2 year, a process that is not to take longer than 90 days. Because of that many donors could not donate until they got the status. I've yet to find a source to debunk that bit of fact.

So I stopped following your talking points because they appear to be just made up with random links.

Re:beacon of freedom (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926451)

It's a shitty debunking probably by a shitty shill who is happy to make democrats look stupid (as if they needed any help).

Try these:

1) The ATF didn't give guns to anyone. All they did was fuck up tracking guns that were sold to known drug runners by people whose idea of tracking gun sales is to write them on rolls of toilet paper and whose idea of background checks is to look behind the guy. Should the gun runners have been arrested rather than waiting to see who they were trading with (who were probably mexican and on mexican soil so it's not like the us government could do shit about it)? You bet. Did the ATF give guns to anyone? Nope, gun dealers sold them.

3) He's half right, Solyndra started the process to get the loan in 2007. Should Obama have known to cut them off halfway through? Who knows... They didn't get the money then "promptly go bankrupt" though.

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926177)

Both of your first two linked articles talk about the IRS scandal, there's nothing there that says Fast and Furious was made up...

Re: beacon of freedom (4, Insightful)

JWW (79176) | about 6 months ago | (#45926185)

Your point for 4 is no better than what was originally stated. It's still very bad monetary policy.

And for 5 you're the one spreading bullshit. The republicans have been unable to pass anything to actually get in the way of Obamacare. Sure republican governors have opted out of building exchanges but the law gave then that choice. What the law didn't do was allow insurance to be sold across state lines, which would have only required a federal exchange. It was a colossal miss by the law. Oh and the gp post is correct Obama's constant executive changing of the law is sure as hell completely illegal.

Re: beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926383)

What the law didn't do was allow insurance to be sold across state lines

Well fuck me, I had no idea my Humana policy required me to move to Kentucky [humana.com] . Oh wait, it doesn't, because this is bullshit.

But hey, let's say the government "allowed" insurance to be sold across state lines. You'd call up Humana and say "Hi, I'm in zip code 12345 but want to pay for insurance like I live in zip code 54321". The actuaries look at their tables of what providers in your area charge versus what providers in 54321 charge and say "well hell, if the government says so, sure." Enjoy paying $600 for a round trip flight to see your "local" in-network doctor.

Most likely, though, all the insurance companies outside of whatever one state makes it easiest for the insurance company to break their contract without paying your claims will close down or reincorporate there. Then they'll still charge you more if you live somewhere where healthcare is more expensive (like McAllen, TX [newyorker.com] ) so you haven't actually saved anything. But hey, now it's explicitly interstate trade,so the federal government can regulate the fuck out of it.

Re:beacon of freedom (1)

nameer (706715) | about 6 months ago | (#45926203)

With respect to 4, no the Federal Reserve is not "literally printing money", however the money deposited in the reserve accounts of the member banks is indeed new money. This can be fairly described euphemistically as "printing money." The important question is whether the increase in the money supply risks inflation. Currently, it doesn't look like it. And now we are starting to move into the "remove the punch bowl" phase of monetary policy with reductions in the buying program. As the Federal reserve eventually transitions from buying to selling its bond holdings, the money that the member banks pay the Fed to buy back the bonds disappears in a poof as money is removed from the money supply. It will be interesting to see if we can get the meme going, "The Fed burns $XM every month!"

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926257)

You are part of the problem. If it happens to your party of choice, you think it is an extensive overblown systematic lie happening and the situation is as bad as others claim. If something "bad" happens to another party, its game on and must be published.
Most people associated to a political party have an agenda and a bias. Using the terms "there is nothing to this and the other party is blowing this out of proportion" seems to be the default defense EVERY politician uses.

As all of this is happening our country is running up huge amounts of debt that shows no chance of being fixed or even effectively addressed, corruption is getting worse or at least being reported on more, transparency is going down regardless of politicians claiming they are more open, campaign donations and favors AKA bribes and kickbacks are still a popular form of business and our rights as citizens are being dwindled away.

10-20-30 years from now when we are broke, have less rights, people like you will still be having those discussions on whose fault it is and why but it's not going to change the fact that we are broke.

Re:beacon of freedom (3, Insightful)

readin (838620) | about 6 months ago | (#45926283)

So you use a bunch of left-wing websites to "debunk" the news?

I don't have time to go into everything, and in fact most of the list doesn't interest me that much.

But the IRS scandal wasn't hatched a couple days before the national press finally noticed. The IRS behavior was being noticed and complained about for many many months before it became widespread knowledge. You probably heard about the IRS being used as a political weapon in spring of 2013.

From July of 2012, "Even worse, the IRS has responded to dozens of tax-exemption applications by tea-party groups with astonishingly intrusive document demands, seeking not only donor lists but also lists of volunteers." http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/310384/obama-s-sunshine-policy-david-french [nationalreview.com]

Mr. French is referring to a DailyCaller article from February 2012, http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/22/congressional-investigations-sought-over-irs-assault-on-tea-party-groups/ [dailycaller.com]

Yes it's true that these are all conservative websites, but who else was going to cover news at that time that was negative to President Obama and wasn't already high profile?

Anyway, here is a non-conservative site debunking your debunking http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/14/irs-tea-party-progressive-groups/2158831/ [usatoday.com]

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

_KiTA_ (241027) | about 6 months ago | (#45926465)

Anyway, here is a non-conservative site debunking your debunking http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/14/irs-tea-party-progressive-groups/2158831/ [usatoday.com]

Except that's an older article that was parroting RWEC stories. I counter with this July article from USAToday:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/07/12/irs-occupy-groups/2511541/ [usatoday.com]

Re:beacon of freedom (4, Informative)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about 6 months ago | (#45926293)

1. Fast and Furious was made up. The entire thing was based on one right wing ATF source, who was discovered to be lying. It has been debunked so often that even the actual GOP doesn't mention it, only ultra-far right idiots in the Tea Party talk about it nowadays.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/irs-scandal-democratic-acorn_n_3785717.html [huffingtonpost.com]

That link is to a completely unrelated story about the IRS. I was hoping you had some proof, because that was the first time I've heard that Fast and Furious was all bullshit. So I searched the same website for more info and didn't find anything to support your claim. What I did find was an article from july 2013 talking about two more deaths in mexico linked to those guns - not something I'd expect to see from "huffpo" if the scandal had been debunked.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/06/fast-and-furious-gun_n_3554854.html [huffingtonpost.com]

Re:beacon of freedom (1, Troll)

_KiTA_ (241027) | about 6 months ago | (#45926449)

1. Fast and Furious was made up. The entire thing was based on one right wing ATF source, who was discovered to be lying. It has been debunked so often that even the actual GOP doesn't mention it, only ultra-far right idiots in the Tea Party talk about it nowadays.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/irs-scandal-democratic-acorn_n_3785717.html [huffingtonpost.com]

That link is to a completely unrelated story about the IRS. I was hoping you had some proof, because that was the first time I've heard that Fast and Furious was all bullshit. So I searched the same website for more info and didn't find anything to support your claim. What I did find was an article from july 2013 talking about two more deaths in mexico linked to those guns - not something I'd expect to see from "huffpo" if the scandal had been debunked.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/06/fast-and-furious-gun_n_3554854.html [huffingtonpost.com]

Sorry, too many links. Have some more appropriate links, and thank you for catching that:
http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/ [cnn.com]
http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/not-so-fast-on-fast-and-furious/ [fair.org]

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926503)

Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.

There is the part of the article that is the "debunk". My question, if this was happening, why did they not try and stop the program until after 2000 had walked to Mexico. After the first couple it should have been stopped.

I disagree with you that it is a non-issue. If it had been under 100, that would be valid, but its well over.

Re:beacon of freedom (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 6 months ago | (#45926129)

the IRS targeted political opponents during an election year

Actually the IRS scandal is a myth. There's nothing behind it. It started with a self-serving selection of evidence and was confirmed only by multiple levels of management practicing CYA.

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926153)

You forgot about Clapper lying to Congress.

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926225)

Oh, you hate Barack Saddam Osama? Solution: vote in this other corrupt sociopathic thug!

You fucking moron.

Re:beacon of freedom (2)

readin (838620) | about 6 months ago | (#45926349)

If I had made that list it would focus on two events
* The closing of national parks, blocking of scenic overlooks, etc. that were often unnecessary and in fact more expensive than not doing them during the government shutdown. The President was attempting to blame Republicans for pain he was inflicting.
. * The IRS targeting of conservative groups that effectively prevented them from having a strong effect during the 2012 election.

You know, my children (1)

publiclurker (952615) | about 6 months ago | (#45926403)

always used to try to change the subject when they were caught doing something wrong too. They did a lot better job than your average bigoted teabagger however, and didn't have to resort to making shit up. Even then, I didn't buy it. What makes you think you can get away with it?

Re:beacon of freedom (1)

BringsApples (3418089) | about 6 months ago | (#45926491)

It is really telling that our 'leaders' are criminals, and that they employ people that we commonly call 'the police' to uphold laws, and that those 'police' guys are so 'blinded by their own sense of importance' that they won't put their bosses in jail, all because of 'the chain of command'. It's this 'chain of command', and why it's followed as it currently is, that's the real telling thing in America these days.

At some point The People are going to wake up to the fact that criminals run this place in an orderly fashion. Imagine how nice things could be if normal honest people ran $the_country (because this goes for all countries). Or, is that even possible? I hear that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Dunno...

Re:beacon of freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45925877)

Mmmm, freedom bacon.

Re:beacon of freedom (1, Insightful)

DiamondGeezer (872237) | about 6 months ago | (#45926067)

I think its telling that Chris Christie didn't attempt any of that BS when he apologized.

Re:beacon of freedom (1)

guises (2423402) | about 6 months ago | (#45926179)

Oh, come on. This was revealed, what? Two days ago? You're angry because convictions don't happen instantaneously? You can get angry about this is in a few months when we find out that the prosecutor has decided to drop the investigation. You're really jumping the gun here.

Re:beacon of freedom (1)

stenvar (2789879) | about 6 months ago | (#45926481)

it is really telling that the public official closed the bridge illegally and nobody is sitting in jail for this.

"Telling?" If you look at politics, this is business as usual. Bush, Obama, Clinton, Reagan, they all have done much worse. Christie just was particularly stupid because he acted on something that's a bit sensitive and exercised his power out of complete pettiness instead of advancing his career through it. But by the time the next election comes around, voters will have forgotten even this.

Alternate reason for closing the bridge (5, Interesting)

plasticquart (75467) | about 6 months ago | (#45925813)

... a stunt meant to punish the mayor of an affected town for opposing his reelection.

It is now suspected that this might not be the motivation for the bridge closure.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/maddow-nj-bridge-scandal-was-political-revenge-but-maybe-not-for-the-reason-you-think%E2%80%A6/ [mediaite.com]

Re:Alternate reason for closing the bridge (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45925841)

From your link:

In 2010, Christie took the unprecedented step of refusing to reappoint a New Jersey Supreme Court justice for another term, which set off the New Jersey Democrats, who got back at Christie by shooting down all the other Supreme Court justice nominees he put forward.

So when a Republican member of the New Jersey Supreme Court came up for reappointment last year, NJ Senate Democrats promised to make it a brutal fight, so Christie decided to stop the reappointment. He was furious at Senate Democrats, and held a press conference getting really angry with them.

That press conference, expressing much anger with Senate Democrats, was held on August 12, 2013, a day before the Bridgegate e-mail was sent. And Fort Lee, the town that got backed up, is part of the legislative district represented by Loretta Weinberg, the leader of the Senate Democrats.

This, my fake friends, is called the Smoking Gun (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45925871)

And it will play out like the soap opera is has become .. slow, drawn out, and only enjoyable when stoned!

Re:This, my fake friends, is called the Smoking Gu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45925929)

slow, drawn out, and only enjoyable when stoned!

I live in NJ and I can tell you based on my vast experiences that nothing in NJ is enjoyable, not even when stoned. Better when stoned? Sure. Enjoyable? Me no think so.

Not news for nerds (0, Troll)

codepigeon (1202896) | about 6 months ago | (#45925829)

This should be posted on a political forum. Maybe slashdot could create a second site for stories like this.

Re:Not news for nerds (0, Troll)

mozumder (178398) | about 6 months ago | (#45925869)

Yes but the mouth-breathing freedom loving 12 year olds that infest this site wants to scream about the NSA whenever possible.

These poor people.. they know not of power and the limits to their own powers, as they suffer from narcissism because these precious snowflakes were incorrectly taught they could do whatever they want because 'murica is a free country.

After all, these are the same dumbasses that think their handgun is going to defend them against a nuclear-armed federal government.

Sorry kids, but the NSA is going to do what it will, because we liberal socialists approve of it, and we have the power in government to make sure of that.

You will have to go back to worshipping your high-school dropout Dell repairman hero.

Re:Not news for nerds (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 6 months ago | (#45926057)

Maybe it's a bug, but I see this post moderated as "-1, Insightful" at the moment. Although it's probably unintentional, there is a certain elegance to that. The polemic and invective aren't completely without insight.

Re:Not news for nerds (1)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 6 months ago | (#45926201)

I think this happens when a post is up-modded "Insightful" (or other positive mod), then has successive "Overrated" downmods. The "Overrated" and "Underrated" mods do not appear to change the descriptor like a "Troll" or "Flamebait" downmod. Not sure about this though.

Re:Not news for nerds (1)

cffrost (885375) | about 6 months ago | (#45926223)

Maybe it's a bug, but I see this post moderated as "-1, Insightful" at the moment.

It's not a bug; mozumder's starting score is -1, which is caused by having poor "karma," which is caused by being down-modded more than up-modded.

Re:Not news for nerds (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 6 months ago | (#45926251)

Ah, good catch.

Re:Not news for nerds (1)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 6 months ago | (#45926457)

Are you sure? I thought that while poor karma can give a negative starting score, it doesn't apply an "Insightful" (or any other tag) to the initial post. In other words, such posts would be labeled "Score: -1" as opposed to "Score: -1, Insightful". I thought only a "Insightful" mod by another user caused that label to be attached to a post.

Re:Not news for nerds (3, Insightful)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 6 months ago | (#45925885)

I look forward to the posting of mainstream stories on the green line site (my son's colloquialism).

Often they arrive after being picked apart by the news media, but there are still moments of insight in this forum that I can't find anywhere else.

All that,AND they talk about computers here.

Re:Not news for nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926467)

Agreed. Most of the time I spend here is reading comments. I've learned staggering amounts of stuff about a ton of different topics that way.

Your son's description of this site is funny and very accurate.

Re:Not news for nerds (1)

Proudrooster (580120) | about 6 months ago | (#45926071)

This post is clearly flame-bait and troll-bait, just roll with it! The NSA analogy was just thrown in to make it seem quasi legit.

Re:Not news for nerds (4, Insightful)

Capt.Albatross (1301561) | about 6 months ago | (#45926087)

This should be posted on a political forum. Maybe slashdot could create a second site for stories like this.

I think you have misunderstood the target of the referenced article. It is not actually about New Jersey politics, it is about the weakness of the NSA's justifications for its recently-revealed actions. Those actions seem to have attracted a lot of interest on slashdot.

No need to use the NSA's playbook... (0, Troll)

felrom (2923513) | about 6 months ago | (#45925833)

...use the president's instead.

Call the lane closures a "fake controversy."
Refuse to let your aides testify, and when they're forced to, have them lie and/or plead the fifth.
Bury any inconvenient evidence under executive privilege.

Christie already used Obama's first and most common strategy: claiming ignorance. His only mistakes are not have an adoring press that is willing to unquestioningly parrot his talking points as the truth, and he doesn't control the federal DOJ and have the power to make it completely look the other way.

There's no honest person who can be outraged at Christie's politically motivated law breaking, and content with the last 5 years of the same, time and again, from the president. In a just America, these two men would share a jail cell.

Re:No need to use the NSA's playbook... (3, Insightful)

amiga3D (567632) | about 6 months ago | (#45925883)

Too late for all that. Christie allready apologized at length and fired the staffer involved. I don't get it anyway. How was closing lanes to a bridge going to hurt the mayor of Fort Lee? It inconvenienced a lot of the people in the area but they overwhelmingly voted for Christie anyway. The whole thing sounds idiotic. Is he hiring 7th graders for his staff or something? I would have broken his legs or something if I was angry with him. A traffic jam? Really?

Re:No need to use the NSA's playbook... (3, Insightful)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about 6 months ago | (#45926055)

Is he hiring 7th graders for his staff or something?

Take that back! I have a son in the 7th grade, and I assure you that most 7th graders are more mature than politicians.

I would have broken his legs or something

So you do understand NJ.

Re:No need to use the NSA's playbook... (1)

jovius (974690) | about 6 months ago | (#45925911)

It's always useful to deny everything first. Later when you apologize that's the image the public will remember.

For politicians denying everything is the first step. If one assumes guilt first one surely must have something hidden... As per drama the honesty only comes after a struggle and self-realization. That's more natural to sympathize with.

Re:No need to use the NSA's playbook... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926009)

Refuse to let your aides testify, and when they're forced to, have them lie and/or plead the fifth.

That was perfected by the Bush/Cheney administration, with their handling of everything from throwing Libby under the bus to shield Cheney from the Plame disclosures to having Alberto Gonzales forget everything he ever knew when testifying about why Democratic judges were fired. These were actual scandals and not bullshit fake ones like the ones on your other list.

There's no honest person who can be outraged at Christie's politically motivated law breaking, and content with the last 5 years of the same

This is how I know you are complete politically motivated fucktard; limiting yourself to the last 5 years which just so happens to cover Obama. I suppose you were absolutely happy with the previous administration? I can't even list all the outrageous shit that administration generated, starting with the greatest foreign policy and humanitarian disaster in the history of the world: the Iraq War. You want to talk about justice? About somebody from the DOE going to jail for Solyndra? WTF, that was actually a good move - the bankruptcy was due to China manipulating the market, not something that could be forseen. You probably didn't know that since you are clearly a retard. Get back to me when Bush/Cheney are being tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity and then we'll talk about who's going to jail for quantitative easing at the Fed.

Re: No need to use the NSA's playbook... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926377)

Go back to Reddit you stupid fucking lib.

Re:No need to use the NSA's playbook... (1)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about 6 months ago | (#45926035)

felrom, do you get paid for this? That's your second partisan shill post. There's an article about something corrupt that a Republican did, and immediately there are (several) screeds about Obama. It's like the China shills that pop up every time there's an article critical of China.

There's no honest person who can be outraged at Christie's politically motivated law breaking, and content with the last 5 years of the same, time and again, from the president.

Translation: you're outraged that there would be an article about a corrupt act by a Republican, that isn't immediately "balanced" by a rant in the same article about unrelated corruption amongst Democrats.

Random satire (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45925835)

I'm struggling to understand how this qualifies as "News For Nerds" or "Stuff That Matters".

Re:Random satire (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about 6 months ago | (#45925889)

Maybe you aren't nerdy enough.

Re:Random satire (2)

cffrost (885375) | about 6 months ago | (#45926299)

I'm struggling to understand how this qualifies as "News For Nerds" or "Stuff That Matters".

I believe it was meant to foster a discussion about NSA's post-Snowden propaganda campaign, but we don't seem to be having that discussion, as far as I've read.

Re:Random satire (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926391)

believe it was meant to foster a discussion about NSA's post-Snowden propaganda campaign, but we don't seem to be having that discussion, as far as I've read.

Yes, we do need to foster this discussion at least 10 times a day, sprinkled in with a smattering of bitcoin stories to fill in the gaps. The best way to get your story onto this site now is to insert at least one of the following: Snowden, NSA, or Bitcoin. It doesn't mater if any of those three things have any tenuous link to the subject of the story, just make sure they are in there, preferably in the headline. "Can the Cheshire Cat Experiment be used by the NSA for spying?" "New Breakthrough In GPUs Presented At CES, Did Snowden Reveal This First?" "Bitcoin Valuation Seem To Be Volatile"

are you serious? (2, Funny)

lemur3 (997863) | about 6 months ago | (#45925855)

this 'article' is a load of cynical sarcastic crap.

and im a cynical sarcastic crap myself... i dont get it.. what exactly is the point of this?

there's a better NSA link here: (3, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | about 6 months ago | (#45925891)

how did those emails and texts get to the media?

i'm not saying the NSA did it. but how easy would it have been for it to do so?

i'm not even saying the NSA would be pursing this as policy. the NSA is not an iron machine, it's composed of people. there's greed and corruption everywhere. for every virtuous edward snowden, there's another guy like edward snowden who knows a political operative and would do what snowden did, but for the motivation of cash instead. sell this kind of info for six or seven figures

that's how dangerous the NSA is to democracy. infiltrate the NSA, abuse its powers as an employee, destroy the legitimacy of our government with the leaks and manipulations you are now capable of

we live in a world where the NSA can decide presidential elections, or any elections. right now. everyone has dirt on them. focus on the candidates you want to weed out, get dirt like this bridge fiasco on them, leak it to the media, and voila: you decide elections

this is why the NSA has to be curtailed. it is incompatible with democracy. the NSA will destroy this country, make everyone believe their government is fake

the NSA must be made transparent, congressional oversight bolted on, its scope of powers severely reduced, etc. secret courts? what the fuck? no! not acceptable

Another option (0)

RoccamOccam (953524) | about 6 months ago | (#45925895)

From Political Cartoonist Glenn McCoy - "This was all the result of an anti-Islam video."

It wasn't to punish someone who wouldn't endorse (2, Informative)

_KiTA_ (241027) | about 6 months ago | (#45925901)

It wasn't to punish someone who wouldn't endorse him. That's just a flashpoint scandal, nothing big. I half suspect it to be one that's being sent out intentionally to exhaust the media's attention before the real scandal starts getting out.

Basically he screwed over some Democratic Judge, and the Dems in his area announced they would be very critical of a Republican Judge that was coming up for reconfirmation in retaliation, so he pulled the same screwjob on that Republican Judge to prevent her from being questioned by the Dems. The next day he pulled the bridgegate crap in the home district of the head Democrat.

Rachel Maddow has done all the work and has an interview with said head Dem. [msnbc.com]

Or you could turn to Fox News, where somehow it was Obama's fault because Benghazi.

Re:It wasn't to punish someone who wouldn't endors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45925971)

Or you could turn to Fox News, where somehow it was Obama's fault because Benghazi.

Or you could not turn to any of these shitty news organizations and realize they're all biased as fuck. No, the fact that you think that [insert bogeyman here] is more biased than your guys is not relevant.

Actaully Fox News is. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926123)

When Rupert Murdoch and couple of other billionaires started their own network in the 1980s and Fox News in the 1990s, they intentionally wanted the network to be on the right side of the political spectrum because they felt that part of the US market was being under served by other news outlets. After all, Regan was big then, the DEmocrats still had a strangle hold on Congress and the Conservatives had non outlet that catered to them.

Flash forward 25 years and the country as a whole has moved more to the right. So, hows does Fox News differentiate itself now?

By being so wacky right wing that they have become a parody of themselves. Colbert is making a real nice living by just accentuating some of the rhetoric - not adding too much to it, BTW.

That's how ridiculous they have become.

When I see commentators and anchors talk out of their ass; like blaming the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 on the financial meltdown; which it turns out it had nothing - zero - contribution to the financial meltdown.

Fox News narrative is now scaring old white people. My doctors office has it on (all those old white people live it) and the BS that comes out of those people's mouths makes me wonder how these people can keep a straight face - actually I can - they millions of dollars a year to read the BS the Fox writers come up with.

Also, notice how all the "anchors" are pretty MILFs with short skirts and hooker/stripper heels?

All of the women on Fox News look like strippers.

Infotainment, baby! with shitty half truths and lies.

And parroting what they see on that shitty lying network. I've actually talked to people who were convinced that we the US will become just like Greece and they put their life savings into Gold - when it was pushing $2,000 an ounce (it since has fallen 40%). Guess where they got that idea from?

Re:Actaully Fox News is. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926409)

duh, yeah, but Rupert Murderer-och was working alongside israeli "leked" and they helped his people to do the dirty phonehacking scandal, via the israeli software, AMDOCS. But, you guessed it, the same NSA secrecy (COVERUP) protocol which is this article is being used to coverup AMDOCS and AKAMAI, and PRIMESENSE, amongst others..... run and hide!

Re:It wasn't to punish someone who wouldn't endors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926147)

Or you could turn to Fox News, where somehow it was Obama's fault because Benghazi.

Or Benghazi was Obama's fault because he ordered the military to stand down. He didn't just let people die, he lusted for their deaths.

Re:It wasn't to punish someone who wouldn't endors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926489)

You're such a left wing apologist that I simply can't take anything you say seriously. You're the person who spewed Bush is a war criminal! Bush = Hitler for many years then becomes silent when Obama takes over and starts drone missiling everything in sight.

Missiling isn't a word. It should be. It happens so damn much now.

this had nothing to do with the endorsement. (2, Informative)

nimbius (983462) | about 6 months ago | (#45925941)

the mayor of Fort Lee has nothing to do with this:

Recently Christie had unloaded on Democrats in a particularly angry press conference concerning the renomination battle of a N.J. Supreme Court judge, a battle that had been several years in the making. The woman who headed the state Senate committee causing embarrassment for Christie at the time was N.J. state Senate Majority Leader Loretta Weinberg (D), who happens to represent Fort Lee.

That media is really on top of things (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 6 months ago | (#45925975)

Re:That media is really on top of things (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926363)

What on earth does anything in this post have to do with "How Chris Christie Could Use the NSA Playbook"? I mean, you might be able to come up with some tortured reasoning why the CBS story is relevant, but the newsbusters link? How is the tired, stale argument of "liberal media bias" relevant to the topic of this story?

Crap, even the title of your post has nothing to do with the topic of the OP.

Re:That media is really on top of things (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 6 months ago | (#45926461)

You will notice that my post specifically refers to the bridge scandal. The "NSA playbook" isn't really relevant to his situation, its a farce.
Think of it as implied statement that the article is a troll (the purpose of which is to tarnish Governor Christie), and that the commenting system allows us to make relevant comments on real issues. Does the truth of a matter get tired and stale? I'm certain it at least becomes inconvenient.

Re:That media is really on top of things (1)

readin (838620) | about 6 months ago | (#45926373)

Don't be so hard on the media. It took them a year to break the IRS scandal news, and then they forgot about it once the President had some up with a barely plausible denial. It only took them 5 months to catch on to the bridge thing, and you can be they'll be talking about it until Christie has a serious conservative opponent.

So based on those two data points we have a press that is getting faster at recognizing scandals and is focusing on them longer. That's good, right?

Re:That media is really on top of things (1)

hubie (108345) | about 6 months ago | (#45926417)

You probably need to factor in the fact that it is a local story in the NYC market. In my opinion, anything that happens in the NYC market gets amplified much more than other stories based on the fact that NYC is the center of media coverage.

citizen profile reports on friends & family pl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926019)

eventually we can order CPRs on our rulers & prospective moms new clear options coordinators? what a gig

When DNC does it its ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926053)

link [dailycaller.com]

In 2000, Al Gore's motorcade was used to create massive traffic jams on purposed for the intent of voter suppression. Was barely mentioned in the news at the time.

Re:When DNC does it its ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926427)

That's OK. Scalia made sure he got even with Gore.

If you want to know a child, look at his friends.. (4, Insightful)

Proudrooster (580120) | about 6 months ago | (#45926059)

So by looking a Chris Christie's friends what can we determine from him? All of his friends seem to be petty, vindictive, bullies. Then when things go bad, it is every man for themselves which shows a lack of loyalty since everyone except Christie has had to resign. It won't be long until one of his friends turns on him, but then it will be an all out character assassination against that old friend.

This little stunt happened on the first day of school, messing with kids and communities on a stressful first day, the people of NY & NJ, interstate commerce, and possible security and emergency services.

Some of the friends are going to need a timeout, where big people go for timeout. A little jail time.

What's more amusing here... (-1, Troll)

argStyopa (232550) | about 6 months ago | (#45926075)

This story has led the news in national TV, radio, and newspapers, as well as most major-market regional/local papers.

Really?

A traffic jam?

Let's compare how much media time this gets, compared American state dept official being left out to be lynched by a planned assault on our consulate when help was available? Does it really matter if it was planned or spontaneous?

Re:What's more amusing here... (1)

argStyopa (232550) | about 6 months ago | (#45926091)

Not to mention, of course, the most implausible tissue of rationales for it to appear HERE on a tech-news site.

"Let's see, we can cover it because we could suppose that the governor, if he actually had anything to do with it, could use the same tactics to defend himself that the NSA is using to defend themselves for doing the things the president ordered them to do!"

It's like supposing the motivations of a strawman of a strawman of a strawman who happens to use computers. Sheesh.

Re:What's more amusing here... (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | about 6 months ago | (#45926119)

Because Christie is hilarious and thus any excuse to show him is taken.

dot workers hiding supply of lane change signs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926097)

fear getting caught up in some choreographed corepirate nazi scandal?

Frost pIst (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926107)

Christie missed a HUGE opportunity (1)

roman_mir (125474) | about 6 months ago | (#45926151)

Christie could have turned THIS event into a presidential run win, but he is too much of an establishment to do it.

He could have come out and said: I will find the responsible, fire them and initiate a criminal case against them and then I will step down. This was done on my watch, I will TAKE responsibility.

I think it was a giant opportunity for him to be seen as super responsible rather than corrupt, but hey, he is a Jersey boy, he don't go that way.

Wish people wouldn't post . . . (1)

Skeptical1 (823232) | about 6 months ago | (#45926193)

instructions for how to do these things.

When did this become the News for Hacks site? (0)

lophophore (4087) | about 6 months ago | (#45926351)

What happened to news for nerds? Is slashdot going to become a political commentary site?

News for Nerds, stuff that matters my eye.

If I was looking for this, I would have looked at msnbc.com or foxnews.com

Boooo! on Timothy. Boooo! on Slashdot. This article does not even meet your own submission guidelines: http://slashdot.org/faq/submissions.shtml [slashdot.org]

Not "working well" (3, Insightful)

jodido (1052890) | about 6 months ago | (#45926441)

The NSA's "defense" is not "working well." Except maybe with Democrats and Republicans who wish Snowden never existed. For a lot of the rest of the population NSA excuses are making things worse for them, not better.

why does he need to defend himself? (2)

stenvar (2789879) | about 6 months ago | (#45926455)

This sort of thing is what politicians do every day. There is essentially no legal way to hold the guy responsible.

The only people who can punish Christie are voters. Hopefully they will do just that, although the fact that both Bush and Obama got reelected doesn't make me very confident that voters care about abuse of power.

Garbage posts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45926463)

What is with the hugh pickens misleading posts? Take the heat off a Repub and put it back on Dems? So boring.

Slashdot is now an echo chamber for the fox news nut house? We can no longer think for ourselves and deal with facts, we now need these types of garbage posts?

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