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Google Buys Home Automation Company Nest

Unknown Lamer posted about 8 months ago | from the google+-account-required-to-turn-on-lights dept.

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JDG1980 writes "Google just announced that they will be purchasing Nest, a company best known for their 'smart' thermostats and smoke detectors, for $3.2 billion in cash. What will this mean for Nest devices going forward — greater integration with Android, perhaps?"

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Track your every move (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45945629)

What they'll do is track when you're home, what temperature you like your house, whether you're cold at night, etc, and then use it to advertise at you. Isn't that what Google does with everything?

Re:Track your every move (5, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#45945673)

Google Buys Clippy:

"I see you are using your heater often. Would you like to purchase soft wool blankets from one of our highly-rated sponsors?"

Re:Track your every move (5, Insightful)

phrostie (121428) | about 8 months ago | (#45945909)

Remember when it wasn't Google's fault that their street view cars intercepted your emails?

Nest uses your home network.
now it won't matter if you're on gmail or not.

Re:Track your every move (3, Interesting)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about 8 months ago | (#45946043)

CENTRAL SERVICES!

We do the work, You do the pleasure!

Google resents NSA intrusion, because it horns in on their turf...

Re:Track your every move (5, Funny)

Pirogoeth (662083) | about 8 months ago | (#45946119)

Re:Track your every move (1)

grub (11606) | about 8 months ago | (#45946159)

Ha! Well done!

Re:Track your every move (5, Insightful)

DaHat (247651) | about 8 months ago | (#45945685)

You forgot "requiring Google+ integration for managing your NEST".

Re:Track your every move (5, Informative)

lgw (121541) | about 8 months ago | (#45945879)

Slashdot 2015: Google announces end of life for Nest products, citing low advertising revenue from the platform.

Oh, well, one gone, but three more will pop up hoping for that multi-billion buyout.

Re:Track your every move (2)

fyngyrz (762201) | about 8 months ago | (#45946073)

I've been avoiding buying a Nest because of reports of sensitivity to RFI, RF, and ESD, and reports of really unfriendly failure modes: failure to heat when really cold; failure to shut off heating when away; these seem very serious to me. I really like the idea, but it seems the execution might leave a bit to be desired as yet.

I don't put ultimate faith in Amazon reviewers by any means (tho I r one, lol), but this is worth looking over [amazon.com]

Re:Track your every move (-1)

grub (11606) | about 8 months ago | (#45946189)

We have a Nest and love it. The only problem I had until now was the lousy central humidifier support.
Even with the recent cold snap here when temperatures 'as cold as Mars' [yahoo.com] our Nest never failed to start the furnace.

Re:Track your every move (5, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | about 8 months ago | (#45946347)

Nor would the under $20 fully programmable, been around since dirt, standard as the day is long, conventional wall thermostat [amazon.com] .

Come on for pete sake, turning on the heat when its cold is the job of a thermostat. They've been doing it since the 30s, and became programmable since the late 70s. Don't act so impressed that your thermostat actually worked.

You've paid in excess of 15 times what you needed to pay for program-ability, only to have it be totally dependent on the internet!

There's one born every minute.

Re:Track your every move (4, Insightful)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about 8 months ago | (#45946461)

We have a Nest and love it.

I would buy one if there was a mode to "ignore any adjustment by 15 year old daughter."

Re:Track your every move (1)

Richy_T (111409) | about 8 months ago | (#45946295)

From comparative reading, it appears the HP one has the upper hand. It's still a bit rich for my blood but I may bite at some point.

Re:Track your every move (1)

Richy_T (111409) | about 8 months ago | (#45946301)

Honeywell.

Who have a lot of thermostat experience so makes sense.

Re:Track your every move (4, Insightful)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 8 months ago | (#45946281)

Slashdot 2015: Google announces end of life for Nest products, citing low advertising revenue from the platform.

And yet, Nest has a nice screen on it (not touch). Which can display ads while the thermostat is otherwise idle... what possible use could the homeover have to seeing the set temperature all day? Why not just use that idle screen space to display ads?

Re:Track your every move (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 8 months ago | (#45946293)

Yeah, and thanks to the cloud integration which Google will inevitably have done, this will mean all the devices just won't work any more. Oops, your home is dead, sorry.

Re:Track your every move (1)

Richy_T (111409) | about 8 months ago | (#45946279)

There's a strong possibility you (and others) think you're joking.

Many a true word spoken in jest.

Re:Track your every move (2)

ackthpt (218170) | about 8 months ago | (#45945689)

What they'll do is track when you're home, what temperature you like your house, whether you're cold at night, etc, and then use it to advertise at you. Isn't that what Google does with everything?

"???" "The toast is always burnt, stove/oven rarely used, but microwave runs for 10 minutes every day about 9 PM and all wash loads are done in Whites Cycle" "???"

"Bachelor - send him a bunch of singles site link ads."

Re:Track your every move (5, Funny)

msauve (701917) | about 8 months ago | (#45945849)

New Google advertising jingle:

We see you when you're sleeping
we know when you're awake
we'll tell you what you want to buy
so you better buy stuff for Google's sake

Re:Track your every move (5, Informative)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about 8 months ago | (#45945999)

Pretty much. [techcrunch.com] To quote the relevant part:

Will Nest customer data be shared with Google?

Our privacy policy clearly limits the use of customer information to providing and improving Nest’s products and services. We’ve always taken privacy seriously and this will not change.

If they had plans to keep Nest's data away from Google after the acquisition, they'd have said it plainly as they have with everything else they say. The fact that they aren't doing that here makes it pretty clear what their intent is.

I have a Nest thermostat and have loved it, but I'm actually kinda glad I ran into some financial issues that led to my cancelling my pre-order for Protect smoke/CO detector for my entire house. I definitely won't be buying them now, and I'll be seriously considering whether or not I keep my thermostat.

Re:Track your every move (4, Insightful)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 8 months ago | (#45946241)

If they had plans to keep Nest's data away from Google after the acquisition, they'd have said it plainly as they have with everything else they say. The fact that they aren't doing that here makes it pretty clear what their intent is.

Well, all it takes is for Google to "unify" the privacy policy of Nest with the rest of the Google privacy policy.

And yes, they probably give you an opt-out, in which case your Nest becomes a dumb thermostat because access via the (now-defunct iOS version) smartphone apps and web access require accepting G+ and the new privacy policy.

(And note to Apple, Google and Microsoft - please, can you stop buying up companies that make apps and discontinuing the competing versions? I know it's probably good for business, but c'mon now. There's nothing wrong with seeing Google and Microsoft in the Apple App Store, Apple and Microsoft in Google Play and Apple and Google in Microsoft Store...).

It's a Google aquisition (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45945637)

Obviously it means that the thermostats will be discontinued in a few years.

Re:It's a Google aquisition (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about 8 months ago | (#45945727)

Obviously it means that the thermostats will be discontinued in a few years.

Your home will call you to let you know that it is burning down. It might go so far as to ask you if you wish to make a quick hotel reservation.

Re:It's a Google aquisition (1)

Manfre (631065) | about 8 months ago | (#45946061)

You jest, but that would be a great feature. House burning down, auto call fire department, and also send you info to reserve a hotel room.

Re:It's a Google aquisition (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about 8 months ago | (#45946105)

You jest, but that would be a great feature. House burning down, auto call fire department, and also send you info to reserve a hotel room.

Not only that, but backing up all your data to the cloud before it goes up in smoke would also be useful....

Of course, I can see these sending info to your insurer as well, which would be a mixed blessing.

I can reuse old phrase (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#45945639)

Spam in the can

...about that... (1)

raydobbs (99133) | about 8 months ago | (#45945643)

I wonder what that means for their unholy pact with Intellectual Ventures that Nest made not that long ago. I swore off ever buying one of their products because of that, and will continue as long as that deal remains in force.

Re:...about that... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about 8 months ago | (#45945711)

I wonder what that means for their unholy pact with Intellectual Ventures that Nest made not that long ago. I swore off ever buying one of their products because of that, and will continue as long as that deal remains in force.

You'll cave in when your house tells you what's good for you and like it!

Re:...about that... (1)

raydobbs (99133) | about 8 months ago | (#45946095)

When a structure starts talking to me in a literal voice telling me about what is good for >me is about the time I visit a doctor about needing some strong anti-crazy medication.... and a realty agent to get rid of the house.

Re:...about that... (2)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 8 months ago | (#45946315)

You'll cave in when your house tells you what's good for you and g+ it!

FTFY.

Now I need a new thermostat... (1)

Kenja (541830) | about 8 months ago | (#45945653)

Unless Google WONT be using the temperature I set it at for marketing purposes. I get enough robo-calls about solar, heating, etc as it is.

Re:Now I need a new thermostat... (1)

kwerle (39371) | about 8 months ago | (#45945799)

Unless Google WONT be using the temperature I set it at for marketing purposes. I get enough robo-calls about solar, heating, etc as it is.

Really? I added myself to the do not call registry and no longer get any.

In addition, I mostly use google voice - which means that a lot of political calls go straight to spam instead of connecting to me, too. Thank you, google, for plugging the political loophole on the registry...

Kurt

Re:Now I need a new thermostat... (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about 8 months ago | (#45946167)

Google voice sticks me with two entry points, my GV number and my "real" number. Twice the opportunity to get spammed -- although, yes, the Google entry point gets very little.

Re:Now I need a new thermostat... (1)

msauve (701917) | about 8 months ago | (#45946209)

Your phone is borken if you don't get calls from Rachel at cardholder services.

No, it means... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45945655)

They'll all get bricked in a year and a half when the service doesn't see the adoption Google wants and shuts it down.

Re:No, it means... (2)

Tablizer (95088) | about 8 months ago | (#45945997)

They'll all get bricked in a year and a half when the service [expires]

When the toilet is bricked, it's called "logged", or "backlogged". Wait long enough and it will be bricks, though.

Re:No, it means... (1)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 8 months ago | (#45946111)

Bricks are like turtles if they're all the way down.

From Nest, Goolgle will diversify further into a likely burgeoning home automation craze.

Wi-fi-enabled-cellphone remote-controlled homes are the homeowner-have-to-have home improvement upgrade of the next few years.

Re:No, it means... (1)

s.petry (762400) | about 8 months ago | (#45946097)

Are you kidding me? You have not been paying enough attention to what Google does in my opinion, there is a much more valid concern. Google will load it up with NSA goodies and sell it at a loss! Best have your wireless sniffers handy when these things get assimilated. If you are going to out Google, at least do it with something good!

paid advertising (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45945659)

when I adjust my temperature in my home?

is nothing sacred?

Just what we need (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45945669)

A fire alarm that will recommend a specific brand of extinguisher before going off and putting fire frequency on sale for insurance companies. The thermostat data will probably be used to offer advertisements on new energy plans and great deals on sweaters.
May the Google bubble burst soon.

And (1)

The Cat (19816) | about 8 months ago | (#45945681)

Google slowly becomes Microsoft. Monopolists never change.

In Soviet Googlestan--- (2, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | about 8 months ago | (#45945707)

TV watches itself for YOU!

it also orders stuff on line you might like.

Re:In Soviet Googlestan---Smoke Detectors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45945845)

Nest smoke detector watches and listens for you and Misses go at it and serves the following ads:
1 or more kids and male: Vasectomy ad
Female under 40: pregnancy test
Unmarried: birth control ads
Ugly: birth control ads
Hot Female under 25: earn $1,000 a day..find an "agent"
Old fart: Viagra

Obligatory cult classic Remo Williams quote! (1)

cpj (3482927) | about 8 months ago | (#45945733)

"Hell, [with this computer], I can find out the temperature of your ass in that chair, if I really want to know."

Re:Obligatory cult classic Remo Williams quote! (1)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 8 months ago | (#45945797)

Hell we'll be calling tech support if it doesn't keep the ass temperature an even 308.15K.

More targeted ads? (3, Informative)

Pirogoeth (662083) | about 8 months ago | (#45945743)

"We've noticed that you've been running your furnace a lot recently. Here's a list of insulation installers in your area that you might be interested in."

Have had a Nest for about two years (2)

Iconoc (2646179) | about 8 months ago | (#45945769)

It is a great device and I know it has saved me money during long hot summers.

If you are worried about privacy, turn off your cell phones and computers. You've already been pwned.

Re:Have had a Nest for about two years (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about 8 months ago | (#45946259)

It is a great device and I know it has saved me money during long hot summers. If you are worried about privacy, turn off your cell phones and computers. You've already been pwned.

Just because you've been pwned, doesn't mean you can't get pwned even more. Like how losing your virginity doesn't mean you can't get screwed again.

Wait, a car analogy would be more appropriate (and relevant): Just because you've already had a flat tire doesn't mean you can't get another.

Re:Have had a Nest for about two years (1)

Iconoc (2646179) | about 8 months ago | (#45946323)

Your argument would be more effective as a horse/buggy/whip analogy.

google + posts when your smoke detectors goes off (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 8 months ago | (#45945771)

google + posts when your smoke detectors goes off just hope that it does not need to be on line to work.

$3.2B (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45945779)

Ridiculous sum of money for Nest. Google is starting to look like a has been trying to buy their way to relevance like Microsoft.

Re:$3.2B (1)

Dahamma (304068) | about 8 months ago | (#45946109)

Given the market for Nest Protect is about 150 million times x3 (or more) in the US alone (and unlike thermostats, there is really currently nothing like it), it may not be that out of line. Especially since they need to be replaced every 10 years. And Nest now has a track record for fantastic products (who knows what they are working on next?)

Valuations are based more on predicted future revenue than current. Otherwise none of these recent IPOs or acquisitions would be worth *anything*.

Re:$3.2B (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946303)

Yea cause everyone is gonna buy a $250 thermometer from a single vendor.

Re:$3.2B (1)

TsuruchiBrian (2731979) | about 8 months ago | (#45946163)

I'm not going to pretend I know how much companies are worth, but I don't believe you know either.

Re:$3.2B (1)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 8 months ago | (#45946211)

Google's disposable income, with annual revenue in the neighborhood of 50 billion $US, is surely enough to cover even the impulse buy of an over-rated wi-fi thermostat company.

Thing is, occasionally the stars line up just right, and the Guys smart enough to charge anybody fifty thousand million dollars in one year's billings turn out to be right.

How about a smart toilet? (1)

Trashcan Romeo (2675341) | about 8 months ago | (#45945791)

To analyze my shit and customize advertising based on my dietary preferences.

Re:How about a smart toilet? (1)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 8 months ago | (#45945975)

I believe that industry has passed unto the hands of a government monopoly.

I mean, they already own the sewer treatment plants.

Re:How about a smart toilet? (1)

bob_super (3391281) | about 8 months ago | (#45946065)

Considering they already did measurements in some sewer systems to estimate that's city's cocaine consumption...

What would Google suggestion to you be: "buy bitcoin mining hardware / visit Silk Roak", or get "discount lawyers"

Smart Toilets are so 2005 (1)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | about 8 months ago | (#45946103)

clever toilet [cnn.com]

I'll be keeping mine (2)

chrisgeleven (514645) | about 8 months ago | (#45945813)

I'm willing to give Nest and Google the benefit of the doubt. Supposedly Nest has claimed in interviews after the news broke that their privacy policy is very strict and limits the info Nest gathers to Nest products only. If that is the case, and more importantly, their privacy policy doesn't change in the future, I'll stay a happy customer.

If there is evidence of Google doing evil, then it's easy to create an eBay listing.

Re:I'll be keeping mine (3, Insightful)

Trashcan Romeo (2675341) | about 8 months ago | (#45945865)

That assurance should last as long as "We won't track your data across services" did.

Re:I'll be keeping mine (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45945919)

their privacy policy doesn't change in the future
 
LOL!!! How naive of you.
 
Google already has its dick firmly in your ass.

UELA says EULA can change at anytime (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946333)

I guarantee their EULA has weasel-words that say they can change anything in the agreement, unilaterally, without notice, without recourse, any time they want.

Chromecast it (4, Interesting)

MrDoh! (71235) | about 8 months ago | (#45945839)

So, the AC unit can be the master, with wifi, that also connects to the smoke alarms around the house with wifi, with speakers... I'm sensing the chance for streaming music wherever you go in the house. Notifications, warnings where you left the phone. More of the chromecast model of a fairly basic module that's controlled through the phone's UI and just streams. To have these neat devices ONLY used for fire/ac, when they could have so much more running? Lots of potential. Tied in with your phone, and it's location, so as you're returning from work, crank up the heat/AC as needed. Maybe tie it into Google Glass so you can wander around the house and SEE the temp and control it with a few blinks? Very very cool, hopefully Google won't dump it but really go all out to make it the base of an Aware House.

Re:Chromecast it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946427)

more features, more bugs, more chance of freezing or misreading things, more chance for security exploits

If you lose your internet connection... (1)

Glasswire (302197) | about 8 months ago | (#45945843)

and Google can't grab information from your Nest, the unit will shutdown your furnace until you get that connection back up.

Re:If you lose your internet connection... (1)

Glasswire (302197) | about 8 months ago | (#45946007)

It's no coincidence they're going to rename it the Chrometer

What's with the Doom and Gloom? (4, Insightful)

retroworks (652802) | about 8 months ago | (#45945881)

I own a warehouse and have to pay a security firm to receive emergency signals for freezing (pipes!) and smoke or overheating. I'd like to be able to monitor it myself. I'd live with ads if i can reduce what I pay the security company. Seems kind of obvious.

Re:What's with the Doom and Gloom? (2)

Swampash (1131503) | about 8 months ago | (#45945981)

I own a warehouse and have to pay a security firm to receive emergency signals for freezing (pipes!) and smoke or overheating. I'd like to be able to monitor it myself.

That will require a Google+ account.

Re:What's with the Doom and Gloom? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45945993)

So let me get this straight, instead of some rather simple in-house deployment of equipment and development of a small delivery system to convey the necessary information you NOT ONLY chose the shelved stock solution, but you even would easily sell personal info and pay in baked air to get a marginally better deal? What are you doing on a tech site anyway?

Re:What's with the Doom and Gloom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946171)

What on earth is with Slashdot's obsessive faux-privacy activists? Google offers numerous enterprise products that don't involve "selling your personal info." Not that selling the temperature of your warehouse to Google is necessarily a problem anyway.

Re:What's with the Doom and Gloom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946383)

What on earth is the source for all the idiots that can't counter with a reasonable argument?

I think $3.2B is too much (3, Interesting)

AaronW (33736) | about 8 months ago | (#45945917)

I own a Nest thermostat and while it's a great and innovative device I don't see the company being worth $3.2B. There are also a lot of other new Internet enabled smoke detectors coming out. I looked at their smoke detectors but in many jurisdictions they can't be legally installed since smoke detectors are required to have a hard-wire connection such that if one goes off they all go off. Since Nest does this wirelessly it's not allowed. They're also incompatible with all the other smoke detectors and alarm systems and are quite expensive for what they are. I looked into this since I just wired in a bunch of 2-wire (12v) smoke detectors into my alarm system. I picked up a combination smoke/CO detector with heat sensor that integrates into my alarm system for $80.

Now what would be cool is for someone to integrate a good wireless AP with a smoke detector though I think the smoke detector signalling should remain separate (at least here in California they require using special fire alarm wire for hooking up fire related stuff).

Re:I think $3.2B is too much (3, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 8 months ago | (#45945977)

I own a Nest thermostat and while it's a great and innovative device I don't see the company being worth $3.2B.

With the way valuations seem to be done nowadays, a bloody lemonade stand made from a sheet of plywood and a few 2x4s is probably going to be worth a few million bucks.

Re:I think $3.2B is too much (5, Funny)

bob_super (3391281) | about 8 months ago | (#45946077)

Only of you draw a cloud on it

Re:I think $3.2B is too much (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946091)

And make the lemonade without sweetener in order to be "a disruptive force in the market".

Re:I think $3.2B is too much (2)

bob_super (3391281) | about 8 months ago | (#45946153)

I don't care how you make your non-skeuomorphic ice cubes, they're worth another $7M because it's cool.

Re:I think $3.2B is too much (1)

Cantankerous Cur (3435207) | about 8 months ago | (#45946351)

Welcome to the very premise Apple is based on.

Re:I think $3.2B is too much (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about 8 months ago | (#45946165)

Only of you draw a cloud on it

That's so 2010... these days, it would need to be connected to the cloud and have its own IPV6 address.

Re:I think $3.2B is too much (1)

aiadot (3055455) | about 8 months ago | (#45946149)

I wish I could mod both of you up, but unfortunately my unused mod points expired a couple of hours ago. 3.2B for just a freaking smoke detector with barely any market share yet. The profitable medical robotics company I work for, with real examples documented in scientific journals of improving and even saving lives, isn't worth a hundredth of that yet. Life is simply not fair...

Re:I think $3.2B is too much (1)

TsuruchiBrian (2731979) | about 8 months ago | (#45946219)

So all we need to do is all open lemonade stands, and the national debt will be gone.

Re:I think $3.2B is too much (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946321)

There's always money in the banana stand.

Re:I think $3.2B is too much (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946267)

Nest offers a wired version, right alongside the wireless one.

Does the google check books... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45945953)

Does the google check books only come pre-filled with "$ 00.000.000" in the amount field?

The nest is a piece of shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45945973)

Way to waste billions you retards! How's that "google+" going by the way?

Nest Smoke Detectors are Useless (2)

AaronW (33736) | about 8 months ago | (#45946083)

Many areas of the country, i.e. California, require that for new installations that all of the smoke detectors be wired together using special wire. In my case I just installed a bunch of 2-wire smoke detectors that tie into my monitored alarm system. I had to use special fire alarm wire and the 2 and 4-wire smoke detector hookups are at least somewhat standardized (you don't want to mix brands though) as are the hard-wired AC smoke detectors. Nest wireless smoke detectors can't interface with other smoke detectors or alarm systems and they don't meet the hard-wire connection requirement between detectors. Many people in the Nest forums have complained about this. While it's cool it will help the Nest thermostat keep track of if the house is occupied or not until they provide the proper hard-wired hookups they're not even legal for new installations or even replacing smoke detectors in existing installations.

Re:Nest Smoke Detectors are Useless (1)

Rick Zeman (15628) | about 8 months ago | (#45946245)

Many areas of the country, i.e. California, require that for new installations that all of the smoke detectors be wired together using special wire. In my case I just installed a bunch of 2-wire smoke detectors that tie into my monitored alarm system. I had to use special fire alarm wire and the 2 and 4-wire smoke detector hookups are at least somewhat standardized (you don't want to mix brands though) as are the hard-wired AC smoke detectors. Nest wireless smoke detectors can't interface with other smoke detectors or alarm systems and they don't meet the hard-wire connection requirement between detectors. Many people in the Nest forums have complained about this. While it's cool it will help the Nest thermostat keep track of if the house is occupied or not until they provide the proper hard-wired hookups they're not even legal for new installations or even replacing smoke detectors in existing installations.

That's not exactly true. The law says that they need to be interconnected, and Nest Protects do amongst themselves using 802.11, or falling back to 802.15.4. The requirement that they be hard-wired was dropped a few years back. In essence, if you replace one wired detector with a Nest your should replace all of them...which gets Quite Damn Expensive since they can't interconnect with any wired device.

Re:Nest Smoke Detectors are Useless (1)

TsuruchiBrian (2731979) | about 8 months ago | (#45946273)

I live in California, and I will do whatever I want. I just bought a nest protect because it looks cool, and want to try it out. It will be an improvement over my last smoke detector system (i.e. a baseplate with nothing in it). Even if the previous owner left the smoke detector, there would only be one of them.

The way I see it, my new smoke detector will be hard wired to all the other smoke detectors in the house (i.e. all zero of them), just like how the previous owners had it.

I'm really not sure if having a wire is all that much more fault tolerant than having wireless communications anyway. Can't wires be damaged in a fire? I would imagine having a bunch of nests all wirelessly communicating would have some advantages, in addition to being way the fuck cheaper than rewiring my whole house to have a bunch of new wires running through the walls.

Re:Nest Smoke Detectors are Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946325)

Libertarian, weaboo and an asshole!

Re:Nest Smoke Detectors are Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946385)

kill yourself you shit-eating retard

Re:Nest Smoke Detectors are Useless (1)

AaronW (33736) | about 8 months ago | (#45946409)

As I said they use special wire for fire alarms. Also, by law it is now required that every bedroom must have a working smoke detector. The last time I had a building inspector come around to inspect having my main electrical panel replaced he had to verify that there were adequate smoke detectors and that there was also a CO detector installed.

You also can't just use any old wire for the signalling for smoke detectors. At least with the two wire smoke detector setup like I use the central alarm will detect if there is a wiring fault since modern alarm systems typically require a resistor be installed at the end of the chain. If the wire should be damaged, the alarm will be triggered. While wireless may be advantageous in some situations it all depends on how well the signals propagate. I've had enough problems with 802.11 going 20 feet between my router and a nearby bedroom (both 2.4 and 5.6GHz). What happens if there's interference? With 802.11 it's no big deal. With a fire system that must be reliable this isn't acceptable. With a wired connection there's little chance of getting interference or losing the signal. Oh, the fire alarm wire is also twisted in order to reduce interference picked up by it. It's not cheap either... I ended up paying a lot more for 2-wire fire alarm wire than if I just ran CAT6.

Having my fire integrated into my alarm system will lower my homeowner's insurance as well.

Re:Nest Smoke Detectors are Useless (1)

fast turtle (1118037) | about 8 months ago | (#45946369)

The Bay and Sacromento Area of California requires new construction to have special wired Smoke detectors - FTFY

I live in So.Cal and there is absolutely nothing in our building codes about Smoke Detectors needing to be hard wired in new construction unless it's commercial (Hotels/Office/Wharehouse) is the main break point. Hell we don't even require smoke detectors in homes by law unless they're rental properties. Otherwise, California at least still feels you're on your own in that regards.

Another product bites the dust (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946177)

Queue the Google Shutdown of this service in 3, 2, 1...

I liked the idea of the Nest too, too bad EA2.0 'Search Edition' had to buy them.

Re:Another product bites the dust (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946453)

LOL i love the EA reference

i wish i hadnt have spent all my mod points before scrolling down here

Perhaps even only Android (1)

jader3rd (2222716) | about 8 months ago | (#45946225)

What will this mean for Nest devices going forward — greater integration with Android, perhaps?

It will probably mean the lack of integration with any non-Android device.

Following Apple, again (2)

Camembert (2891457) | about 8 months ago | (#45946253)

Apple bought a home automation company some time ago. A sensible rumor is that the upcoming iwatch could also be used to for example remotely dim your living room lights, etc. I can see Google aiminh for a similar path forward.

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946309)

Now applies to Google.

Except, instead of buying competition, Google buys innovative companies with paradigm-shifting products, neglects them, and then kills them for lack of revenue.

Google is not evil, just negligent.

I'm torn (1)

burne (686114) | about 8 months ago | (#45946329)

between spending those modpoints,

and saying the inevitable 'all your temperatures are belong to us'

dang!

As if $300 wasn't bad enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946339)

Well, we don't own a Nest as $300 is ridiculous for a thermostat. Would it be nice to control on the internet? Sure but that functionality is not worth 3x a regular programmable one. Add in the chance for Google to get even more info about you, and now you couldn't get one of these devices in my front door if you paid me to take it.

Re:As if $300 wasn't bad enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#45946389)

3x? More like 30x. I paid $10 for my current digital 7 day, 4 period thermostat. And it even does 2-stage heat pumps! Don't see the point of the Nest.

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