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Man Shot To Death For Texting During Movie

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the remember-you-can-only-trust-cops-with-guns dept.

Crime 1431

An anonymous reader writes "The New York Times reports that an argument over texting ended in a cellphone user's death when a retired police officer in the audience shot him in a theater near Tampa, Florida on Monday. The report notes that 'cinema executives acknowledged during a trade conference last year that they debated whether to accommodate younger viewers by allowing text messages during some movies.'"

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1431 comments

It's about time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951735)

'nough said

Re:It's about time! (-1, Flamebait)

cayenne8 (626475) | about 6 months ago | (#45951775)

*CLAP* *CLAP* *CLAP*

I'm guessing this led to a standing ovation for said officer!!

Re:It's about time! (4, Insightful)

Alomex (148003) | about 6 months ago | (#45951943)

When I hear news like these I always wonder what type of idiot thinks that shooting the texter solves anything?

Thank you for providing an answer.

p.s. The shooter will spend the rest of his life in jail, how's that preferable to someone annoyingly texting in a movie?

Re:It's about time! (-1, Troll)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 6 months ago | (#45951969)

The shooter will spend the rest of his life in jail, how's that preferable to someone annoyingly texting in a movie?
 
We don't know if this was self defense or not. We know that the other guy (you know, the jerk who was texting and making noise and refused to stop after being asked politely multiple times) threw popcorn at the old man's face and for all I know might have taken a swing at him.

Re:It's about time! (4, Informative)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 6 months ago | (#45952099)

If you would have taken the time to actually read the news you would have known that the shooter had to leave the theater to retrieve his gun from the car. It is no where in the realm of being self defense.

Re:It's about time! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952167)

At least it shows how full of crap the NRA's argument is, that guns are safe as long as they're in the hands of well-trained "good guys".

Re:It's about time! (5, Informative)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about 6 months ago | (#45952169)

I read that he left the theater to report the guy who was texting, not necessarily to get his gun.

Re:It's about time! (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952149)

Hahahahaha NRA shill spotted already.

"Who knows what happened" and then proceeding to paint the victim in the worst possible manner, despite witness testimony of the transpired events.

Re:It's about time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952161)

Let's see...throwing popcorn at a guy's face, or shooting them in the chest because they threw popcorn at you?

Which is an actual crime here?

Re:It's about time! (3, Insightful)

Jamu (852752) | about 6 months ago | (#45952079)

Well he's not texting anymore. And the guy with the gun isn't shooting people anymore. I think this is a win for movie-go'ers.

Re:It's about time! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952137)

The shooter is 71, so the rest of his life is probably only going to be about 10 years. It sounds like he got the better of the deal and sent a valuable message to any would-be assholes who think their texting is the most important thing in the world.

Re:It's about time! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951951)

I take it that you didn't actually read the article for making yourself out to be a dick in public.

Re: It's about time! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951973)

So now a 3 year old girl is going to grow up without her daddy, and you think this is a good thing? Did the thought cross your mind that maybe, just possibly, annoyance is not a good enough reason to deprive this little girl of her daddy?

I'm not saying he was a good man or that he didn't make a dumb mistake. But your cheering is disturbing.

Sincerely hope you don't have a Coexist bumper sticker on your car, because you could sure take the advice of one.

Re: It's about time! (1)

zoomshorts (137587) | about 6 months ago | (#45952057)

And a three year old is TEXTING? Even an advanced 3 year old, has NO BUSINESS TEXTING. But the RETIRED cop probably needs to be executed for general princibles(principals, whatever).

Re: It's about time! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952073)

Perhaps it's better for her to grow up without that father.

Finally some good news for a change. (-1, Troll)

sproketboy (608031) | about 6 months ago | (#45951739)

NTR

Re:Finally some good news for a change. (3, Insightful)

niftydude (1745144) | about 6 months ago | (#45952053)

Yes, because shooting a 43 year old man and his wife is totally an appropriate response if one of them sends texts during a movie.

I mean, since he was retired, the shooter would've paid around $10 for the privilege of being in that cinema. So he's entitled to shoot anyone who slightly annoys him during that time. Especially considering it was a Mark Wahlberg movie.

That was sarcasm. But this isn't: You are an idiot.

A Message (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951743)

Tragic, but I hope this sends a message to all you other assholes doing anything else but watching a movie while in the theater.

Posting AC because people can't handle hard truths.

Re:A Message (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951827)

So says the guy that doesn't even have enough balls to post under his username on an internet site.

Re:A Message (4, Funny)

an00bis (667089) | about 6 months ago | (#45951895)

So says the guy that doesn't even have enough balls to post under his username on an internet site.

Re:A Message (2)

fisted (2295862) | about 6 months ago | (#45951987)

So says the guy that doesn't even have enough balls to post anonymously on an internet site.

  -anonymous

Re:A Message (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951925)

So says the other guy without enough balls.

Come on, next AC, don't let me down.

Re:A Message (1)

stealth_finger (1809752) | about 6 months ago | (#45951911)

What, that if we do something you don't like you'll shoot us? Well, what ever you do, don't feed the pigeons.

Re:A Message (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952103)

"What, that if we do something you don't like you'll shoot us?"

Not me, but someone might. Think before you annoy others is the lesson here.

Re:A Message (1)

egcagrac0 (1410377) | about 6 months ago | (#45952141)

More importantly, I hope this sends a message to people carrying firearms - don't escalate to lethal force over minor annoyances.

Re:A Message (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952143)

Yeah, we should shoot all the assholes watching the previews while we wait 30 minutes for the movie to start.

And the Judge rules... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951747)

Justifiable Homicide.

Is it bad that I instantly assumed it's in the US? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951757)

Gun regulation argument shitstorm in 3-2-1...

Re:Is it bad that I instantly assumed it's in the (2)

jobsagoodun (669748) | about 6 months ago | (#45951813)

Guns don't cause shitstorms...

Re:Is it bad that I instantly assumed it's in the (5, Funny)

Irate Engineer (2814313) | about 6 months ago | (#45951853)

People cause shitstorms.

Re:Is it bad that I instantly assumed it's in the (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951937)

Yes, that was the joke. Good job.

Re:Is it bad that I instantly assumed it's in the (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951837)

No regulation needed. Just arm all cinema-goers.

Re:Is it bad that I instantly assumed it's in the (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951963)

No regulation needed. Just arm all cinema-goers.

Better throw in a handgrenade or two... More fun and a lot cheaper!

Re: Is it bad that I instantly assumed it's in the (0)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | about 6 months ago | (#45952015)

No, Slashdot is an American centric news site. Most things posted that are gun or social issue related are about issues in the U.S.

But I hope this does spark debate on the perversity of attempting to disarm John Q. Public, defender of himself and others and hunter of pest animals but arming Officer Overreaction and Pvt. Soldier of Fortune with anti materiel rifles and a trained disdain for civilians.

Or the moral panicks to ban semi-automatic hunting/sporting rifles (competitive shooting) despite them being used in single digit percentages of gun violence in comparison to much more dangerous weapons like small caliber/low capacity handguns.

The guy was a retired cop (1)

daninaustin (985354) | about 6 months ago | (#45952021)

Even in NYC, retired cops can get a license to carry.

Re:Is it bad that I instantly assumed it's in the (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952091)

This would be one gun regulation shitstorm I'd favor.

Cops can't be trusted with guns.

Re:Is it bad that I instantly assumed it's in the (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952135)

The "International Media" seems to think that every other country in the world is fascinated by US domestic news.

Couldn't give a fuck myself.

Stop fucking posting NYT links ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951759)

Seriously guys, it's a fucking paywalled site.

There's plenty of new sites which have this story which aren't bloody well paywalled.

Or, is Dice getting a kickback for directing traffic there?

DICE OWNS SLASHDOT (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951789)

DICE OWNS SLASHDOT

Another reason I don't go to the movies anymore (4, Funny)

korbulon (2792438) | about 6 months ago | (#45951763)

Cell phones or guns: take your pick.

Double bind (5, Funny)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | about 6 months ago | (#45951769)

Texter gets what he deserves vs. more cop brutality. My brain can't handle it.

Re:Double bind (5, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about 6 months ago | (#45951815)

It's not hard: shooting people in theaters because you are mentally disturbed makes you a horrible monster. Shooting people in theaters for doing something that annoys you makes you a hero.

I wish I could say that this was 100% sarcasm.

Re:Double bind (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951843)

Really? Deserved to be shot? Wtf?

Re:Double bind (3, Interesting)

Wuhao (471511) | about 6 months ago | (#45951961)

Really? Deserved to be shot? Wtf?

Yeah, no shit. This is monstrous and so far beyond the pale. I'd say that we should be tazing texters, physically beating serial talkers, and reserving the instant death penalty for people who answer their cell phones.

Re:Double bind (5, Interesting)

DodgeRules (854165) | about 6 months ago | (#45951893)

The local reports state that the movie hadn't even started yet when this happened.

Re:Double bind (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about 6 months ago | (#45951991)

"Oh my GOD, how inconsiderate! I can't see the damn advertisement over your conversation with your loved ones."

It does make the shooter seem more terrible, with that bit of context.

Re:Double bind (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952145)

But if people don't see ads, they won't buy more stuff. Think of the economy!

Put in that way, he's a hero, defending freedom and capitalism and The American Way.

Re:Double bind (2)

wvmarle (1070040) | about 6 months ago | (#45951931)

It was a retired cop.

And I do wonder why people would carry a gun when going to the movies.

Re:Double bind (4, Funny)

ThatsDrDangerToYou (3480047) | about 6 months ago | (#45952031)

Because freedom!

Re:Double bind (4, Insightful)

tlambert (566799) | about 6 months ago | (#45952037)

It was a retired cop.

And I do wonder why people would carry a gun when going to the movies.

Aurora, Colorado. If there had been one armed ex cop in the theater, probably less than 12 people would have died.

Re:Double bind (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952055)

Let me get this straight ... some guy spends most of his life as a fascist badge wearing criminal and it surprises you that he brought a gun with him?

Re:Double bind (1)

Terwin (412356) | about 6 months ago | (#45952069)

It would be more about the to and from the theater than at the theater most times, I would think.
(ask Batman's parents about that)

Of course they may occasionally be a need for a gun while in the theater as well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis [wikipedia.org]

Old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951771)

This has been on CNN for a couple days now... This was breaking news... Why is this news for nerds? Slashdot always more out of touch with its roots

Re:Old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951985)

Cellphones are "tech", no matter how ubiquitous they are.

Soon and Very Soon (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951783)

Just think! Soon it will be Febuary, Black History Month! Then we can all disavow facts and history and suck up to the Black man. We will try another year to make the Blacks feel better about their subjugated history, their lack of any significant technical contributions, their propensity for violence, their tribalism that demands they defend all other Blacks no matter how much they deserved their fate (remember TreyVon Martin? Who knew assaulting random strangers was dangerous?!), their broken families and hatred of fatherhood, the fact more of them are in prison than college at any given time, their disproportionate welfare usage, their culture of violence and drugs and abuse of women, their preference for white women because so many Black women are obese and bitchy, and their romantic love of being a street thug!

It's going to be a long month. We have many facts to ignore, much ffiction to create and many tiny insignificant "accomplishments" to exaggerate. And if you disagree with any of it, we will not argue with you or contradict a thing you say, for that is impossible, we will simply brand you "Racist" which is the modern equivalent of "Heretic" in the Church of Black Achievement.

Only in America (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951787)

If a fight broke out in a british cinema, there'd be a punch-up, the police would be called and someone would be spending the night in the cells. In America you get shot. Thank fuck i'm british.

Re:Only in America (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951825)

Now now, you'll only upset the colonial rebels. :)

Re:Only in America (-1, Troll)

couchslug (175151) | about 6 months ago | (#45951999)

Many of the folks who are shot in the US are oxygen wasters and no loss. Society isn't necessarily better off if everyone lives to a ripe old age.

By a cop...let's not forget that fact (2, Interesting)

PortHaven (242123) | about 6 months ago | (#45952007)

This was a retired cop. Police in America are privileged to wield guns whereever and whenever basically. And truth be told, law officers have a far poorer record than concealed carry permit holders.

Cellphones during the movie was debated.... (2)

aissixtir (2752321) | about 6 months ago | (#45951799)

Cellphones during the movie was debated, but WEAPONS not?

Not "during movie" (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951807)

He was texting during the previews, which, unless things have gotten even worse, do not constitute "the movie". Get your headlines right.

Re:Not "during movie" (2)

Mr. Spock (25061) | about 6 months ago | (#45951891)

Good point. "The movie" represents a short period of time where you might not be able to text, which is not a real hardship.

Not allowing texting during the previews would be cruel. That can be HOURS.

Oh? Tell that to the Star Wars Episode 1 preview (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951929)

Many people bought a ticket for whatever movie just to see the preview.

I do think killing is a bit excessive but do your texting outside. And I am fairly certain we will hear over the coming days the couple involved was being obnoxious in other ways as well.

Re: Oh? Tell that to the Star Wars Episode 1 previ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951979)

A bit excessive? You are a sick pup.

Re:Oh? Tell that to the Star Wars Episode 1 previe (1)

Antipater (2053064) | about 6 months ago | (#45952119)

Many people bought a ticket for whatever movie just to see the preview.

That was 1998. Movie trailers are all on Youtube now.

Re:Not "during movie" (2)

michaelmalak (91262) | about 6 months ago | (#45951965)

He was texting during the previews

You mean before the 3D cartoon advising to turn off cell phones? Then he was not given adequate warning.

Remember (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951823)

Only the police should have guns.

Re:Remember (1)

PortHaven (242123) | about 6 months ago | (#45952017)

And this was flagged down...why?

Texting during the *previews* (5, Informative)

Freedom Bug (86180) | about 6 months ago | (#45951839)

Note that the title is wrong -- he was shot for texting during the previews, not during the movie itself.

Re:Texting during the *previews* (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952067)

So, your point is that the texting was justified? Or the shooting?

Re:Texting during the *previews* (4, Funny)

satuon (1822492) | about 6 months ago | (#45952157)

Had it been during the movie, he would have been waterboarded as well.

Holy tone-deaf (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951855)

“We encourage our patrons to remember that they are sharing a common wish to be entertained and to treat their fellow moviegoers with courtesy and respect.”

Wow, Patrick Corcoran, a spokesman for the National Association of Theater Owners, did you just shit on the guy who was texting, and not the piece of shit (ex-cop, no surprise) who shot him?

He was texting his 3 year old daughter during the movie PREVIEW, and this is your public comment? To chide people for texting in a theater?

Re:Holy tone-deaf (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951899)

The ex-cop was incredibly inconsiderate for not using a suppressor on his handgun.

3 year olds can't even read. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951941)

I call BS, and I would be bet the person who got shot was more at fault than the media is letting on.

Re:Holy tone-deaf (2)

shortscruffydave (638529) | about 6 months ago | (#45952097)

“We encourage our patrons to remember that they are sharing a common wish to be entertained and to treat their fellow moviegoers with courtesy and respect.”

Is there any greater display of courtesy and respect for someone than not shooting them dead?

During the previews? (Not that it matters) (0)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about 6 months ago | (#45951863)

Firstly, the guy lost his s**t during the previews? Really? Not that shooting someone in the middle of a movie is more sane, but flipping out in general during the previews is silly.

That being said, I always turn off my volume AND vibrate off into the theater building and while the commercials (and eventually) previews come on I might do some quick texting of "At a movie until xPM" No actual conversations, mostly "Don't bother me for the next 2 hours" in case I was in a conversation with them earlier or they're expecting to see me later.

Or maybe just do some final quick browsing to see the run-time.

Then again, my theater is setup for dine-in viewing. So the seats are huge and you can't see what the person in front of you is doing anyway... even if their screen is bright so at most I'd annoy one of the 4 people in my grouping. Between waiters walking around and stuff the previews aren't exactly silent but once the movie starts getting closer I put my phone away. At most I'd be on for like 3 minutes during the previews while the waiter's taking my row's order.

The man was not shot for texting (5, Insightful)

unimacs (597299) | about 6 months ago | (#45951867)

He was shot as result of an altercation that started over his use of a cellphone.

I don't know if the shooter ever felt that his life was in danger or not but that will likely be his defense. In any case this is another instance where a simple argument turns into a murder because somebody was carrying a gun and either panicked or allowed their anger to get the better of them.

Re:The man was not shot for texting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951993)

The shooter was 71, the guy shot was 43. I know nothing else other than popcorn was thrown and people were yelling.

Hint: Don't mess with elderly in Florida, they almost all carry guns because in the past they have been the primary targets of violet crime. Just assume every last one of them is carrying, including the women.

People who think concealed carry should be gotten rid of just makes them targets for violent crime.

Re:The man was not shot for texting (0)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 6 months ago | (#45952001)

The fact that the shooter had to leave and return with his gun negates any far fetch idea that he though his life was endangered.

Re:The man was not shot for texting (1)

mjr167 (2477430) | about 6 months ago | (#45952035)

So it would have been ok if he had stabbed the guy or snapped his neck or slammed his face into the floor and stomped him? But because he used a gun, guns are evil?

People get shot and live. People also get punched in the face and die. The underlying problem is a trivial argument escalating to violence due to the inability of an individual to control their temper.

The shooter left the room (supposedly to get a manager) and then came back and shot another man when he couldn't find a manager. WTF? Why can't we just leave other people alone?

His defense will fail... (4, Insightful)

PortHaven (242123) | about 6 months ago | (#45952041)

He went out to his car and retrieved his firearm. The question will be asked, if you were concerned for your safety....why did you return to the theater?

Re:The man was not shot for texting (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952117)

The shooter was over 70 and a retired police captain. I seriously doubt he panicked. I also seriously doubt this was his first time responding with too much violence. It is just the first time he got caught doing it.

Dead (4, Informative)

Hypotensive (2836435) | about 6 months ago | (#45951869)

In English: shot dead. "Shot to death" implies a long and lingering shooting, with many small bullets that cause you to gradually lose your grasp on life.

Re:Dead (5, Informative)

GungaDan (195739) | about 6 months ago | (#45951955)

Congratulations! You win the award for most incorrect obnoxious pedantry of the day. "Shot to death" is a perfectly acceptable phrasing.

Re:Dead (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952131)

"Shot to death" is another (technically incorrect) way of saying "Shot until death" which suggests multiple shots were made until the person died. As a result it strongly implies intent to kill.

The OP might be a obnoxious pedant but they're certainly not incorrect.

Re:Dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951989)

He's not dead, he's, he's restin

Re:Dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952065)

"Shot to death" implies a long and lingering shooting, with many small bullets that cause you to gradually lose your grasp on life.

Despite your intense study of video games, Hollywood action movies, and fictional police dramas, it turns out that in real life, not only CAN a single bullet have that same effect, without IMMEDIATE medical attention it's actually incredibly likely, especially in a darkened theater, moreso when the shooter is obviously enraged and not thinking straight like here.

He stood his ground (1)

swm (171547) | about 6 months ago | (#45951879)

Or maybe they both stood their ground.
Or something.

And this is what we want, right?
Half the country in the morgue, and the other half in prison, because, because...stand your ground!
Or something...

Re:He stood his ground (1)

sycodon (149926) | about 6 months ago | (#45952083)

Your agenda is showing...

About time! (-1)

rts008 (812749) | about 6 months ago | (#45951881)

I say give the retired cop a commendation and Public Service Award.

Re:About time! (1)

oodaloop (1229816) | about 6 months ago | (#45952047)

How many other annoying habits deserve the death penalty, and how many do you exhibit?

Sounds like a case of senile agitation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951901)

Sounds like a case of senile agitation but with a gun, it doesn't help that police are always taught to kill instead of maim.

Re:Sounds like a case of senile agitation (5, Funny)

Wuhao (471511) | about 6 months ago | (#45952009)

Well, I mean, if he shot him in the leg or something, he'd just be screaming through the whole movie.

The summary is wrong. (2, Informative)

Bill_the_Engineer (772575) | about 6 months ago | (#45951923)

Of course the summary is wrong and the trolls are already celebrating the shooter.

1) The texter was not young.

2) The movie had not started. It was during the previews.

3) If you read the actual news story you'd learn that the texter was not sending a text at the time of the shooting. In fact the texter told the shooter that he was texting his daughter to check on her before the movie started. The shooter got his feelings hurt and walked out of the theater, got his gun and returned to murder the man and injure his wife who was standing next to him.

At least... (0, Troll)

GeekWithAKnife (2717871) | about 6 months ago | (#45951949)

he died doing what he loved. He will not be missed.

was the movie Beyond this Horizon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951971)

Sounds like a familiar scenario from Heinlein's "Beyond this Horizon", where someone gets plugged in a restaurant for accidentally dropping some food on another restaurant patron. And in general civility is maintained by dueling as necessary.

Shouldn't have shot the guy, of course, but have to say when I see the bright glow of cell phones during a movie I wonder why I'm in the theater rather than watching in the comfort of my own home...

Previews DO NOT JUSTIFY HOMICIDE (0)

PortHaven (242123) | about 6 months ago | (#45951981)

The retired cop went out to his car and returned, I wager he is going to get charged with second degree murder as there seems to be some premeditation involved.

God Bless America! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45951995)

There's a movie called "God Bless America!". Check it out. They have a scene similar to this.

Insane Baby Boomers and Their Guns (1, Flamebait)

Phoenix666 (184391) | about 6 months ago | (#45952061)

Retired cop means age > 65 means Baby Boomer. How refreshing it would be if insane Boomers with guns would direct their ire at people who really deserve it, like Wall Street bankers and their pals in the 1%. Then they could at least perform a public service in their dotage, rather than just being dicks to the rest of us in the 99%.

And this is why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#45952109)

...I rarely go to the movies anymore. People don't know how to behave. Granted, I'm not about to shoot someone for texting, but there's a part of me that would love to ram that phone down their throat. And then there's the morons 3 rows ahead yelling obscenities at the screen, or the idiots a row behind who talk to each other during the entire movie.

The price of admission just really isn't worth it anymore. You pays your money, ya takes your chances.

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