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Engineers: Traffic Studies Use Simulation Software, Not Lane Closings

Soulskill posted about 9 months ago | from the next-you'll-tell-me-we-test-drugs-on-animals-first dept.

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Lucas123 writes "The so-called 'traffic study' that closed New Jersey access lanes on the heavily traveled George Washington Bridge last September has left engineers scratching their heads, because in modern America, simulation software is used instead of closing down lanes. One of the best sources for simulation data are video camera systems that use software to count vehicles on roadways. Traffic studies use microscopic traffic simulations to create virtual environments that can model driver behavior to road changes with exacting detail. Instead, the Port Authority, under Gov. Chris Christie, shut down two of the three access lanes for four days last September from Fort Lee to the George Washington Bridge without warning the public, citing a 'traffic study.' 'I would be pretty confident that if we knew exactly which lanes are closed we could replicate that, and it would show exactly how bad the backups are going to be,' said Lorenzo Rotoli, an engineer and vice president at Fisher Associates, a civil engineering firm in New York that works on roads, bridges and signal systems."

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In other words ... (4, Informative)

gstoddart (321705) | about 9 months ago | (#45955161)

This was a spiteful and petty act of retribution, pretty much much as reported already.

Re:In other words ... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955183)

Exactly. Fuck West Virginia.

Re:In other words ... (4, Funny)

daremonai (859175) | about 9 months ago | (#45955435)

Geography is sooo overrated.

Re:In other words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955569)

Exactly. Fuck West Virginia.

Yeah, fuck them!

Wait, what does this have to do with West Virginia? Was the traffic delay that bad?

Re:In other words ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955293)

"Never attribute to malice..."

Gov. Crisco steps outside for a midday roasted turkey and all of a sudden it's pandemonium. Can't a man cross a bridge in peace anymore?

Re:In other words ... (4, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 9 months ago | (#45955309)

I don't even understand this story. The smoking gun has already been found, reported, and Jon Stewart did a whole send-up of it last week.

Why would anybody still be trying to figure out if the attempted cover-up was bogus or not?

I realize the guy has aspirations for power, but if he were successful we can be confident he'd appoint the same kind of viscous, vindictive, psychopathic cronies who would do similar things at his behest (irrespective of whether he know about this incident). That's not a tradition we can afford to continue in Washington.

Re:In other words ... (4, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | about 9 months ago | (#45955381)

I must confess, unless it's just to get page hits, or to demonstrate that nobody could plausibly claim to have really been doing a traffic study ... I find myself asking the same question.

However, in modern politics, you don't refute the facts, you provide your own 'facts' and talk really loud about something else.

Maybe this is just a more reasoned attempt to short circuit that.

Re:In other words ... (4, Informative)

nbauman (624611) | about 9 months ago | (#45955533)

I don't even understand this story. The smoking gun has already been found, reported, and Jon Stewart did a whole send-up of it last week.

Why would anybody still be trying to figure out if the attempted cover-up was bogus or not?

Slashdot got the mathematical modeling angle.

Re:In other words ... (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about 9 months ago | (#45955729)

It's also not a tradition we can stop in Washington, if you haven't noticed.

Re:In other words ... (-1)

CWCheese (729272) | about 9 months ago | (#45955995)

Current govt in Washington seems to be the best at wielding this sort of power, at least since the days of Nixon, perhaps even better since they actually did use IRS to go after people whereas Nixon only proposed doing it before he got caught and had to resign

Re:In other words ... (4, Informative)

braeldiil (1349569) | about 9 months ago | (#45956207)

And this is a perfect example of how, if you repeat your false story enough times, people will believe it. The IRS office in question flagged groups from all over the political spectrum to determine if they were engaging in political activities that would prevent them from being tax exempt charities. Yes, they used "Tea Party" as a flag for further investigation, but they also used "Occupy". They were attempting to enforce the law passed by Congress, albeit in a very bad, possibly illegal way. For the record, they started these investigations after specific requests from Congress to make sure these nonprofits weren't breaking the law. But the House very carefully tailored their requests to make it appear that only conservative groups were targeted, and attempted to supress testimony that demonstrated groups from all over the spectrum were affected. Once the full testimony transcripts were released, the press realized there wasn't really much of a story and mostly dropped it. But low-information voters like you never bothered to follow the story to its end.

Re:In other words ... (2, Informative)

i kan reed (749298) | about 9 months ago | (#45956249)

And notably, every single conservative political group eventually got their tax exempt status, even before the "scandal" broke, while at least a few liberal groups got denied, in the end.

I think we can all dream of a world where all those groups got denied the ability to influence our elections while not paying taxes, but no luck yet.

Re:In other words ... (3, Funny)

ArtForz (1239798) | about 9 months ago | (#45955981)

Viscous cronies? So... they're really thick?

Re:In other words ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955989)

It would be really awful if the white house was infested by an asshole that did something like that. Or maybe something worse like having the IRS attack his enemies. And then when he got busted, having the FBI run a sham investigation.

Re:In other words ... (2)

icebike (68054) | about 9 months ago | (#45956031)

I don't even understand this story. The smoking gun has already been found, reported, and Jon Stewart did a whole send-up of it last week.
  That's not a tradition we can afford to continue in Washington.

Well, lets wait till the proof is in before we assume it wasn't an action taken by some over-zealous underling, instead of Christie himself.

After all, the same people rushing to condemn Christie gleefully accept the same excuse from Obama, when he claims he didn't know, and wasn't told.

What I want to know, is why any state's DOT would take orders like that EVEN if they thought it came from the Governor himself.
Most rational state governments do not allow the Governor to micro-manage road and lane closures, for non-emergency reasons, and when there is a real emergency need, the DOT is usually well ahead of the elected officials.

Why does New Jersey allow a governor to make that call?

Re:In other words ... (5, Informative)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 9 months ago | (#45956163)

What I want to know, is why any state's DOT would take orders like that EVEN if they thought it came from the Governor himself. Most rational state governments do not allow the Governor to micro-manage road and lane closures, for non-emergency reasons, and when there is a real emergency need, the DOT is usually well ahead of the elected officials.

Why does New Jersey allow a governor to make that call?

NY and NJ DOTs have nothing to do with it. The GWB is run by the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey [panynj.gov] which separate from the state governments. The only reason the NJ governor's office was able to pull this off was because of their appointees & other cronies inside the PANYNJ.

Re:In other words ... (0)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 9 months ago | (#45956183)

Because New Jersey is one of the most corrupt states in the nation (behind Illinois of course).

Re:In other words ... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about 9 months ago | (#45956057)

I think the real issue now is digging to figure out what level involvement That Gov. Chris Christie had in this.

Being that this isn't a normal process of closing lanes for a study, you may expect some people, stopping and saying what why and perhaps ask for higher authority on if this is really what they want to do.

Now could Christie be responsible? Maybe, maybe not. It is not too hard to think some political suck ups on his team, more then happy to do the Dirty Work, even if he never really wanted it, and took his off handed comment as a means to be ambitious and push. Being if it actually worked to his advantage he would get the praises.

That said, Christie may have ordered the closings and tried hard to cover his tracks. However I don't see this as too possible, just because closing the bridge, a border crossing from NY to his own state, it would cause people to be more angry at the Governor then some unknown Mayer.

Re:In other words ... (4, Informative)

smooth wombat (796938) | about 9 months ago | (#45956079)

The smoking gun has already been found,

Not according to Fox. On their opening broadcast when the initial emails were released, the first words out of the talking head's mouth was (as near as I can remember), "There was no smoking gun found in the documents released today about the New Jersey bridge shutdown."

Why would anybody still be trying to figure out if the attempted cover-up was bogus or not?

Again, going back to Fox, they're still wondering why people are so enamored with this story. After the first day they essentially dropped all coverage except for a tiny blurb along the right side of their web page, and then only to keep wondering why the media was so focused on this event.

I realize using Fox as a reference is akin to using the National Enquirer, but I'm just answering your questions.

Re:In other words ... (3, Informative)

ShaunC (203807) | about 9 months ago | (#45956203)

For what it's worth, I was watching CNN coverage last night (Piers Morgan, Anderson Cooper) and both had their share of panelists who were also saying there is no smoking gun. I haven't had time yet to look at today's developments, but I haven't seen anything that directly implicates Governor Christie. He just comes out looking incompetent for not knowing what his top aides were up to, which isn't much better.

Re:In other words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955331)

Good luck getting elected now ya meathead.
Rand Paul can run circles around this guy.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955399)

Those are called "Laps"

Re:Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955745)

Those are called "Laps"

Either way it is something Christie has never done.

Re:Anonymous Coward (2)

icebike (68054) | about 9 months ago | (#45956077)

Those are called "Laps"

Either way it is something Christie has never done.

Christie probably hasn't seen his lap (or anything in it) since the 6th grade.

---Ok, mean spirited, but I couldn't resist.

Re:In other words ... (3, Insightful)

bobbied (2522392) | about 9 months ago | (#45955637)

Good luck getting elected now ya meathead. Rand Paul can run circles around this guy.

Rand Paul? Ok, you are one of those people. Cruz has more name recognition and you won't find many confused Rand with Ron (his father) which is a serious problem because Ron is NUTS.

About Christie, All I can say is it really sucks being the perceived "front runner" because *everybody* is gunning for you. It's easier to fund raise, but at three years out you'd rather not draw such attention and fund raising is not exactly in full swing yet. Nobody would care about a "traffic study" if he was #3 or #4 on the list of contenders.

Re:In other words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955761)

Ya got me.
Libertarian does have a certain ring about it that totalitarian just doesn't.

Re:In other words ... (1)

jythie (914043) | about 9 months ago | (#45955973)

Pity they end up being pretty much the same thing.

Re:In other words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45956211)

One is ruled by the private sector, the other the public. What's the difference?

It could happen. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955971)

Good luck getting elected now ya meathead.

Look it, Christie is the closest thing the Reps have these days to someone who could get elected in the general election. And if the powers that be in the Rep party want him, they'll sell him to the Teabaggers and Evangelical crazies - all he has to be is not a Democrat. Trust me, no matter how disgusting the republican "base" may find him, they will vote for him over a Democrat ANY day! I have seen it.

I live in a Republican stronghold. I watched the Evangelicals vote for Romney - a MORMON - and a Massachusetts LIBERAL - just to vote Republican.

The poor Libertarians still had like 3% of the vote.

People are sheep and they'll vote for who we want them to vote for: Dem or Rep, they are our bitches.

-Bankers

Re:In other words ... (1)

jandrese (485) | about 9 months ago | (#45956047)

Official policy is that you're not allowed to talk about the Presidential election for 1 more year, and you really should be waiting 2. At this point, speculation as to what might happen to him politically in two years is a complete waste of air.

Re:In other words ... (1)

rhazz (2853871) | about 9 months ago | (#45955347)

This article would be better suited as a comment on the older story. It adds very little to the discussion given that everybody already knows it wasn't for an actual traffic study. That is, unless the nutjobs are still trying to argue that it was a traffic study? (I didn't RTFA...)

Re:In other words ... (2)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about 9 months ago | (#45955377)

I for one am shocked, shocked, to hear of political corruption in New Jersey.

Re:In other words ... (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about 9 months ago | (#45955653)

I for one am shocked, shocked, to hear of political corruption in New Jersey.

Then you will be SHOCKED to hear there is a lot more in Washington DC..

Re:In other words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955803)

I live in DC and haven't heard of any thuggish retribution like this. Maybe Jersey is more honest but more bare knuckles.

Re:In other words ... (1, Interesting)

icebike (68054) | about 9 months ago | (#45956195)

When a legitimate whistle blower becomes a world wide hunted "criminal" and you don't notice, that's a problem.
When the FBI and the CIA start enforcing movie company copyrights with trans-boarder raids, and you don't notice, that's a problem.
When the CIA has presidential airplanes from foreign countries detained and searched in third countries, and you think its normal, that's a serious problem.

Retribution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955481)

As reported by the NYTimes [nytimes.com]

During his news conference, Mr. Christie said he had been “blindsided” by emails made public on Wednesday that showed that staff members — also his close friends — had punished the Democratic mayor of Fort Lee in September by closing entrance lanes to the bridge because he did not endorse the governor for re-election.

All that for not endorsing him? What kind of goomba is this guy? So, he's have the State Police beat the shit out of you if you criticize him and call it a "Police training exercise"?

So much for the Great White Republican Hope for President in '16.

Maybe they'd get Christine Todd Whitman?

Nah! Too sane! The right wing social conservative Evangelical nut jobs would never go for her!

Re:In other words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955601)

In Gov Christie's terms, it was a political vendetta that morphed into a political vendetta.

Re:In other words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955617)

I think it was NPR or a local morning comedy show where they talked to people that familiar with that area and said as much. Not only that but the traffic situation was as bad as if they shut the bridge down completely.

I made the comment already but a fat fucking idiot that hasn't learned to grow up, and to add insult to injury, he should be the new Saddam Hussein for Iraq, he has dictator qualities that mimic a complete asshole.

Re:In other words ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955883)

"Microscopic"?

It was a traffic study (3, Funny)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 9 months ago | (#45955247)

He was studying how playing traffic god would impact his political career

Re:It was a traffic study (4, Funny)

roc97007 (608802) | about 9 months ago | (#45955301)

He was studying how playing traffic god would impact his political career

There really needs to be an Android game called "traffic god".

Re:It was a traffic study (4, Informative)

daremonai (859175) | about 9 months ago | (#45955495)

Re:It was a traffic study (1)

daremonai (859175) | about 9 months ago | (#45955515)

Oops, it looks like it's iOS only right now. Sorry!

duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955281)

The real question is whether it ordered by a rogue official(s), or the governor himself. If information comes out that the governor was involved then he just lost himself a chance at being president.

Re:duh (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 9 months ago | (#45955337)

The real question is whether it ordered by a rogue official(s), or the governor himself. If information comes out that the governor was involved then he just lost himself a chance at being president.

No, the real question is, has politics stooped so low that political staff (and possibly politicians) feel entitled to act like petulant little children and expect to get away with it?

And, if so, why is society prepared to live with their politicians and staff acting like such douchebags?

I don't care what political stripe you are, fucking with the traffic patterns to seek retribution against a political foe makes you an asshole.

Re:duh (1)

lagomorpha2 (1376475) | about 9 months ago | (#45955447)

"No, the real question is, has politics stooped so low that political staff (and possibly politicians) feel entitled to act like petulant little children and expect to get away with it?"

I hear there was a Chicago Alderman who was removed from office because he decided to get back at his ex-wife by defunding snow removal to her neighborhood...

"And, if so, why is society prepared to live with their politicians and staff acting like such douchebags?"

Because if we don't vote for our petulant douchebag, the wrong petulant douchebag might win.

Re:duh (1)

CWCheese (729272) | about 9 months ago | (#45956253)

"No, the real question is, has politics stooped so low that political staff (and possibly politicians) feel entitled to act like petulant little children and expect to get away with it?"

I hear there was a Chicago Alderman who was removed from office because he decided to get back at his ex-wife by defunding snow removal to her neighborhood...

"And, if so, why is society prepared to live with their politicians and staff acting like such douchebags?"

Because if we don't vote for our petulant douchebag, the wrong petulant douchebag might win.

You might find this book an interesting read http://www.amazon.com/Boss-Richard-J-Daley-Chicago/dp/0452261678 [amazon.com]
It's been over 30 years since I first read it for poli-sci class and it seems politics will always be the same. It's about wielding power like a king.

Re:duh (4, Insightful)

MaWeiTao (908546) | about 9 months ago | (#45955539)

No, the real question is, has politics stooped so low that political staff (and possibly politicians) feel entitled to act like petulant little children and expect to get away with it?

This question has long since been answered. Anyone who follows local politics knows that this sort of thing is a daily occurrence. The difference is that most of these politicians don't have aspirations of being president, they just want all the perks and kickbacks that come with the position. So none of it ever gets the attention it deserves.

If you're stuck in a city or town that has voted in the same party for decades then there's corruption and nepotism on a level you can't even imagine. So the fact that it tricks up to state level isn't surprising at all. Sometimes it makes it all the way up to Federal government, but those guys are operating on a whole other level.

Re:duh (1)

lagomorpha2 (1376475) | about 9 months ago | (#45955693)

"And, if so, why is society prepared to live with their politicians and staff acting like such douchebags?"

Because if they didn't vote for a lizard the wrong lizard might get in.

Re:duh (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about 9 months ago | (#45955825)

Well, yeah, that's not really the fault of the people. Game theory dictates that the kind of electoral system we have in the US pushes towards large, dissimilar alliances being able to capitalize on division of others into smaller groups. Political parties evolve and reproduce like a living thing, and success at elections drives that meme reproduction.

If you burned the two existing parties to the ground, made a law that said "you can't identify as democrat/republican, liberal/conservative, whatever" and somehow prevented the two from rising from the ashes you might get 2 different parties down the line, but there'd still be basically 2 parties.

It's a constitutional issue, and not a human one.

Re:duh (2, Insightful)

bobbied (2522392) | about 9 months ago | (#45955907)

The real question is whether it ordered by a rogue official(s), or the governor himself. If information comes out that the governor was involved then he just lost himself a chance at being president.

No, the real question is, has politics stooped so low that political staff (and possibly politicians) feel entitled to act like petulant little children and expect to get away with it?

Yes it has. What do you think the IRS scandal was/is? At the very best the IRS scandal was almost exactly what Christie claims his "traffic study" was. Some appointed underling did something for the political advantage of their appointer in order to try and sway an election. Of course the person in charge "didn't know" and was "surprised to learn" that his appointee did it. I call it plausible deniability because it's very likely they actually didn't know, they just appointed people who just instinctively do stuff like this.

And, if so, why is society prepared to live with their politicians and staff acting like such douchebags?

I don't care what political stripe you are,

And slow rolling the tax approval of rival political groups is exactly the same kind of problem, albeit somehow more direct if you ask me. There is much to deride on both sides and the accepted political tactics they use.

Re:duh (0)

Ksevio (865461) | about 9 months ago | (#45956113)

Except the IRS scandal was low level IRS workers taking shortcuts and trying to get their jobs done, whereas this was people close to the Governor ordering something as a revenge act.

Re:duh (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 9 months ago | (#45956255)

I don't care what political stripe you are, fucking with the traffic patterns to seek retribution against a political foe makes you an asshole.

Um, aren't "politician" and "asshole" synonymous?

Re:duh (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about 9 months ago | (#45955343)

The real question is whether it ordered by a rogue official(s), or the governor himself. If information comes out that the governor was involved then he just lost himself a chance at being president.

I dunno, the way the media works it doesn't really make a difference. What I expect will happen is that this will quiet down, the media will support him until he gets the nomination, and then at the last moment they'll hammer on this to affect the outcome of the general. Christi pretty much doesn't have a chance at the white house, although it'll be entertaining to watch him try.

Re:duh (1)

Valdrax (32670) | about 9 months ago | (#45955351)

If information comes out that the governor was involved then he just lost himself a chance at being president.

Even if he wasn't involved, if somehow we informed all of America, and if they all believed it in this day of partisanship, it would still be a huge problem for his Presidential chances. After all, what kind of an administration does he run where he hires people who are prone to this sort of petty political madness and who manage to pull it off without him getting a whiff of it?

One is malice and conspiracy. The other is somewhere between incompetence and bad judge of character. Neither looks good.

Re:duh (3, Informative)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 9 months ago | (#45955471)

The problem is that the reasoning ability is low and the length of memory is short.

The same conundrum can be seen in Florida's governor, Rick Scott. He presided over a company involved in what was to that time the biggest Medicare fraud in U.S. history. He was either incompetent or a full fledged criminal. And what happens... people in Florida made his governor.

If people thought through things I would agree, but come vote type old Fat Farmer Joe is going to pull the lever marked "Republican Straight Ticket" because he bases all his votes on political stereotype or talking points. The fact that we have a malice vs incompetence conundrum is not going to matter to Farmer Joe because he's late for Hee-Haw.

Re:duh (1)

darkwing_bmf (178021) | about 9 months ago | (#45955733)

Medicare fraud doesn't cause the same kind of visceral rage as forced traffic jams. Everyone hates being stuck in traffic, while almost nobody is directly impacted by fraud against the government.

Re:duh (2)

nbauman (624611) | about 9 months ago | (#45955475)

The real question is whether it ordered by a rogue official(s), or the governor himself. If information comes out that the governor was involved then he just lost himself a chance at being president.

If Bush won, anybody can be president.

No Traffic Study (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955295)

It's pretty well understood to anyone following this story that there was no "traffic study". That was just the excuse given by someone when he was initially questioned about it. There's very little need to refute that argument at this point.

I Did This In College (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955355)

When I was in college, my Analysis of Stochastic Systems class had a lot of assignments that required us to model traffic patterns in various ways. It was a great way to apply the math and theory we had learned. Fifteen years ago simulation software was pretty good, but with advances in computing power and the access to so much data, I imagine that modern simulations can be exceptionally accurate.

Unless, of course, the study was on road rage or something...

Road Rage II, Revenge of the Soccer Moms (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 9 months ago | (#45955459)

A traffic road rage simulation? Hmmm, there are plenty of "angry rampage" games that could be adapted.

Re:Road Rage II, Revenge of the Soccer Moms (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 9 months ago | (#45955527)

She can't get her head over the steering wheel, but you can see here angry fist waving in the air.

needs work (2)

Cardoor (3488091) | about 9 months ago | (#45955359)

Christie is going to have to practice his lying skills if he wants to seriously be a contender for president. I mean, come on.. .Clinton.. the bushes.. Obama.. they gotta be looking at him as total j.v.

News for Nerds? (5, Interesting)

CubicleZombie (2590497) | about 9 months ago | (#45955361)

Or is this just because Christie is a republican. 2016 is starting early around here.

The democrat governor of MY state closed the DMVs in all the districts that voted in republican delegates. Didn't make the news at all. And now he's a U.S. Senator.

Re:News for Nerds? (0)

TsuruchiBrian (2731979) | about 9 months ago | (#45955457)

Didn't make the news at all. And now he's a U.S. Senator.

I'll bet Fox News didn't even cover it because of their fairness and balance.

Re: News for Nerds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955519)

Allegation without even naming the state or governor?

In that case, the Republican governor of my state helped Laura Bush bury a body in the Rose Garden.

Re: News for Nerds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955765)

It's Republic governor.

If they're not going to properly use the adjective form of Democrat, you shouldn't use the proper adjective form of Republican.

Re: News for Nerds? (1)

ichthus (72442) | about 9 months ago | (#45955841)

Who says chivalry is dead?

Re: News for Nerds? (2, Interesting)

CubicleZombie (2590497) | about 9 months ago | (#45955925)

Here's a citation [dailypress.com] .

It's a pretty big hassle when you have to drive an hour away and stand in line for four hours to renew your drivers license. Especially when it's just because you had the nerve to vote against the governor's party.

After that, he turned the Virginia side of the D.C. Beltway into a foreign owned toll road. Then he ran a dirty smear campaign for Senate and won by convincing the general public that his opponent was trying to ban the birth control pill (a lie).

Re: News for Nerds? (2)

coinreturn (617535) | about 9 months ago | (#45956205)

11 years ago and apparently it did make the news, as shown in the link you provided.

Re:News for Nerds? (0)

FreonTrip (694097) | about 9 months ago | (#45955535)

It doesn't make it right that a Democratic shitnozzle got away with petty politicking either. The main difference comes down to economic damage done, and to the fact that at least one death can probably be laid at the feet of Christie's (office's) misbehavior.

Re:News for Nerds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955573)

Or is this just because Christie is a republican. 2016 is starting early around here.

The democrat governor of MY state closed the DMVs in all the districts that voted in republican delegates. Didn't make the news at all. And now he's a U.S. Senator.

citation please

Re:News for Nerds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955625)

Would you mind providing a name so we aren't left you take your word at it?

There certainly are plenty of corrupt people on both ends of the purple party spectrum, but it's hard to hold them accountable if we don't know who they are.

Re:News for Nerds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955647)

"Didn't make the news at all."

I'm going to suggest that this phrase is used regularly by people who are

a) making things up

b) making a point that would fail under even the most trivial analysis

c) not a big consumer of news.

If it didn't make the news 'at all', how did you hear about it?

Re:News for Nerds? (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about 9 months ago | (#45955957)

Sucks to be the perceived front runner, especially if you have the "R" after your name.

Simulations are for wimps (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 9 months ago | (#45955387)

The dinosaurs conducted a real meteor study. Simulations are for those puny tree monkeys.

It wasn't a traffic study... (1)

TsuruchiBrian (2731979) | about 9 months ago | (#45955407)

It was a "traffic study".

Um, duh... (1)

Arancaytar (966377) | about 9 months ago | (#45955443)

If you believed for one moment that it was an actual traffic study, I have a closed bridge to sell you.

Read The URL...not Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955483)

"lucas123" has an obvious "slant" in their writing...and Slashdot appears to encourage such "douchebags".

Was the closing wrong? Yes. No argument here.

Does the excuse used make any sense? No...and no argument here.

Did the closings endanger any lives? Possibly...but I don't live in NJ or NY so I can't say or argue with any certainty.

Did Gov. Christie "do the right thing" by firing the aide that sent the "time for traffic problems in Fort Lee" email? Yes.

Are there other people to blame? Probably yes. I read online (wish I had the link) that 1 or more Port Authority officials have stepped down due to this.

Is Gov. Christie at fault in any way in this matter? Hard to say from what I have seen and read so far.

I don't live in NJ so my views are those of "an outside looking in" through the eyes of various forms of news media (TV, Internet, etc.).

And for anyone that has ever managed any amount of staff, as a manager you know you can't control every action taken by every member of your staff. If they screw up in some way, you evaluate the resulting problem and the employee, then make a judgement call. If the screwup impacted a customer, you apologize to the customer, attempt to satisfy the customer's needs, then valuate the impact and make a judgement call regarding the employee. Folks, it's that simple. The rules regarding "people management" don't go into great detail at any company, but they probably list the "termination offenses" for which a manager can fire an employee and still have the company's support (legal and otherwise) in the matter; everything else is "a judgement call".

captcha: insights (how appropriate)

Re:Read The URL...not Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955965)

Yes, just what we need, a President that will take no responsibility and blame everything on fall-guy underlings. If this guy puts this kind of corrupt assholes in political positions, he does not deserve to be President.

But who am I kidding. You were going to vote for him anyhow.

Everyone knows the truth here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955607)

The lane closings were a naked abuse of political power.

Personally, I want the people who did it to lose their jobs and end up in court.

However, they will have to wait their turns, as the courts will be busy with all the IRS staff who nakedly abused their IRS powers to put a boot on the neck of anyone they didn't like.

I don't even live anywhere near New Jersey. NJ doesn't affect me. The IRS, that affects me. IRS power abuse that amounted to tampering with an election? Yeah that affects me.

Nail everybody, but start with the Feds and work your way down.

Oh, wait. You say that nobody at the IRS was fired? Nobody is going to end up in court?

Re:Everyone knows the truth here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955817)

What did the IRS do that was illegal?

This is Jersey... (1)

Mike Buddha (10734) | about 9 months ago | (#45955689)

Your high falutin' traffic engineers don't give the Sopranos the contract to do traffic studies.

Re:This is Jersey... (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 9 months ago | (#45955739)

Isn't that "Joyzee"?

I have no idea what this story is about. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955697)

And judging from the comments, I'm soooo glad that there's an entire ocean between me and that place. Anyway, greetings from Europe.

Re:I have no idea what this story is about. (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about 9 months ago | (#45955801)

Hey Slashdot, how about a "Local News That Doesn't Matter" or "American Regional Minutiae" section so we can filter stuff like this out?

Unless you're all interested in how the province I live in kinda forgot that you have to maintain bridges and as a result they're all (literally) falling down. Two out of three lanes? You've still got one left! Lucky bastards!

Blah blah blah (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955703)

Like we haven't heard enough about the politics. Here's $5.00 for someone willing to actually talk about the science and technology that TFA is presenting.

Re:Blah blah blah (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about 9 months ago | (#45955967)

I'd rather have it in bitcoins please.

Well that doesn't explain... (1)

tlambert (566799) | about 9 months ago | (#45955769)

``Eventually these models will get sophisticated enough to be able simulate "really odd driver behaviors"``

Well that doesn't explain car pool lanes, where the lane next to the carpool lane is full of people who go slow on the theory you can illegally pass them on the left. If the model could account for that, there'd be a lot fewer of the things.

Actual scientific traffic sim (2)

gentryx (759438) | about 9 months ago | (#45955791)

For the curious: here is a link to Sumo [sumo-sim.org] , which is a real, scientific traffic simulation software developed by the DLR in Germany.

Seems like a pretty good opportunity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955833)

To validate their simulations with some real world data.

Oh look (3, Insightful)

argStyopa (232550) | about 9 months ago | (#45955865)

Another reason to talk about the "Bridgegate" scandal instead of, I dunno, real news like Obamacare, unemployment, our moribund economy, the ongoing blunders in foreign policy, NSA surveillance, etc.

Please, let's talk about Chris Christie some more.

Re:Oh look (0, Troll)

godrik (1287354) | about 9 months ago | (#45956119)

Sure, you are right. We NEVER hear about Obamacare. When I see a TV screen, there is NEVER a debate on Obamacare. On radio, they talk about everything BUT Obamacare. And the newspaper NEVER mentionned it. We really need to hear more about it!

what about some high speed EZ-pass lanes there (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 9 months ago | (#45955887)

what about some high speed EZ-pass lanes there that may help a lot.

Microscopic simulation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45955913)

So they are modeling traffic after bacteria? No wonder it's a mess.

I love the capacity whores (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about 9 months ago | (#45955951)

Here you have somebody indicating that they use simulations to determine if lanes should be closed. The root cause is that there doesn't have to be a reason for the various transportation departments to close roads or lanes. In this case we all know this was political retribution but how many of the incessant lane closures on bridges and highways are just because of incompetence? We've been dealing with an ARRA funded road project for the past 5 years and they close lanes, redirect traffic, block access without any rhyme or reason. Fortunately it's close to being finished now but for the past 5 years it's been hell for people who have to travel in that area (airport). All this happening while on the other side of town they decide to blow up another interstate corridor not more than 5 years after disrupting the same corridor. These aren't about political retribution, these are about overly ambitious projects run by idiots who think that their simulation software takes into account a car with a flat tire blocking a lane because there's on emergency area, causing a backup for miles and putting people's lives at risk.

Re:I love the capacity whores (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45956231)

You know there have been studies which show that many interstate projects over their 40 year lifetime do not save as much time as they waste during their construction so they are a net negative as far as relieving congestion is concerned.

Fast and Furious (1)

Trachman (3499895) | about 9 months ago | (#45956155)

There was another "study" to track guns by giving them to the Mexican gans and other criminal elements. All done for studies, here is the wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal [wikipedia.org] I would also think that even simulation softare is not necessary to predict that there will be casualties. US Citizen, officer Brian Terry has died from this. Countless Mexicans have died and will die from this "study". U.S. government still had not briefed them on what went wrong nor had they apologized. At least Christie appologized, give him a credit for that.

Ha ha ha (2)

no-body (127863) | about 9 months ago | (#45956217)

Cristie would be even more toast than he is anyhow.
Seems goons like that are attracted to offices he got in which brings to mind why perhaps the NSA gets it's way because they have so much stuff to smear anyone and use that as leverage to get to play their little boys power games.
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