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OpenBSD Looking At Funding Shortfall In 2014

Unknown Lamer posted 1 year,16 days | from the netcraft-confirms-this-joke-will-appear dept.

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Freshly Exhumed writes "Today the OpenBSD mailing list carried a plea from Theo de Raadt for much needed financial aid for the OpenBSD foundation: 'I am resending this request for funding our electricity bills because it is not yet resolved. We really need even more funding beyond that, because otherwise all of this is simply unsustainable. This request is the smallest we can make.' Bob Beck, of the OpenBSD Foundation, added: 'the fact is right now, OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on.'" The electricity bill in question is $20,000 a year for build servers located in Canada.

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fuck them (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967237)

It is now official. Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying

        One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

        You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

        FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

        Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

        OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

        Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

        All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Re:fuck them (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968351)

Theo is a jackass and needs to go

Taken from the original post:

"The OpenBSD project uses a lot of electricity for running the
development and build machines. A number of logistical reasons
prevents us from moving the machines to another location which might
offer space/power for free, so let's not allow the conversation to go
that way."

In the days of the internet age, why 'logistical' reasons are there to have the dev and build machines so close? So he can look at the purrrrty lights? GTFO, people have offered free space/colo/power, etc...and they have declined.

Time to give Theo the boot.

Classic Theo (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967251)

Maybe I’m just biased due to familiarity with Theo de Raadt’s personality, but that “plea” came off quite negative to me. Not saying I’d expect begging, but this was closer to demanding.

Obviously they aren’t looking for a huge swarm of people to donate a little but rather a company to sponsor them, but I also found the vagueness off-putting. My first question would be what are those logistical reasons. Not saying they aren’t valid, but that seems like an obvious question. If someones got free rackspace and is willing to give them power/bandwidth, you’d need a pretty compelling reason beyond “the stuff is kinda heavy and we like having direct physical access remote kvms suck”.

Also as an aside, that’s one ghetto rack in the picture. At least we know they aren’t blowing the money on silly luxuries like 4 post racks, label makers, and cable management.

Re:Classic Theo (2)

funwithBSD (245349) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967431)

I think the phrase you are for is "Holding hostage"

Reminds me of the scene in Blazing Saddles... Nobody moves, or the nigger gets it.

Re:Power Bill (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967605)

Buy cheaper energy...

Re:Power Bill (1)

Kardos (1348077) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967633)

Solar panels!

Re:Power Bill (1)

Anrego (830717) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967675)

I know it's different in other countries, where the grid is nationalized and people can choose between one of many providers, and maybe it's different in other parts of Canada, but at least where I am you usually only have one choice for a given area.

Re:Power Bill (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968019)

it's different in other countries, where the grid is nationalized and people can choose between one of many providers

Really? Where does that happen? Just curious.

Re:Power Bill (1)

robthebloke (1308483) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968125)

Theoretically that's the situation in the UK, although in practice there appears to be collusion between the big six companies to effectively fix prices....

Ask Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967293)

Apple would seem to have the greatest interest in keeping BSD afloat. It's not like they write their own really.

20k is just a drop in the bucket. What is that? 40-60 iPads?

Re:Ask Apple (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967347)

Apple only cares about FreeBSD, not about OpenBSD.

Re:Ask Apple (2)

grub (11606) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967423)

The SSH that comes bundles with every Mac is OpenSSH, also made by the OpenBSD people. No idea what else has OpenBSD fingerprints on it within Mac OSX.

Re:Ask Apple (3, Informative)

SpottedKuh (855161) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967525)

The firewall in OS X, pf, is also from OpenBSD.

Re:Ask Apple (2)

grub (11606) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967617)

According to the manpage on OSX, it's ipfw from FreeBSD:

The ipfw facility was initially written as package to BSDI by Daniel Boulet
<danny@BouletFermat.ab.ca>. It has been heavily modified and ported to FreeBSD by Ugen J.S.
Antsilevich <ugen@NetVision.net.il>.

Several enhancements added by Archie Cobbs <archie@FreeBSD.org>.

Re:Ask Apple (5, Informative)

Colonel Fahlt (1267662) | 1 year,15 days | (#45967863)

ipfw was replaced by pf in 10.7 Lion. Their man pages sometimes lag, I think. For 10.9, see: ipfw.8 [apple.com] pf.conf.5 [apple.com]

Re:Ask Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45967919)


Re:Ask Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967601)

The SSH that comes with just about everything is OpenSSH. If OpenSSH et al. is the only tie Apple has to OpenBSD, Theo might as well look to Red Hat for a sponsor.

Re:Ask Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967639)

God forbid they should stop producing new builds for decade old SGI hardware. I'll admit we're still very slowing working on decommissioning some 9 year old servers, but really those haven't hosted anything public in 4 years and haven't had any OS patching in that time either.

Re:Ask Apple (2, Informative)

Anrego (830717) | 1 year,15 days | (#45967935)

They actually have a pretty reasonable reason for this.

Theo responds (in his usual patient and understanding manner) later in the linked thread when someone suggests trimming some of these old machines with these reasons, but the basic gist is:

Having such a diversity of platforms makes errors more apparent (some bugs which while they might impact all platforms might only be obvious one one platform for whatever reason) and the interest of some devs might be tied to these weird architectures.

Re:Ask Apple (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968023)

The question remains, whether the benefits of this diversity are worth the price, especially when they are out of money.

Re:Ask Apple (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968233)

I assume the answer is yes since the alternative is bugs, and there's no reason to ever ship bugs.

Re:Ask Apple (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968309)

This is only true if the same amount of money cannot be better used more efficiently to the same purpose elsewhere. Even then, I very much doubt they have zero bugs, yet they ship anyway.

And, of course, it only makes sense if they do have the money. Which they don't. So, as it is, if the choice is shipping with more bugs vs not shipping at all, well...

Re:Ask Apple (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968039)

Sure, and I suspect that Apple would be happy to pay someone to maintain OpenSSH (and OpenSSL, which, I believe, was also an OpenBSD project?). I don't see why they'd care about the rest of it.

Re:Ask Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968131)

Way more expensive than $20k, plus OBSD will likely produce other items in the future that are viable. Hell, there's even some parallel between De Raadt and Jobs, Apple should on a somewhat personal level understand both the difficulties and benefits of working with a competent uncompromising technological visionary.

Behold Apple, The First Great 21st Century Success (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45967855)

It certainly speaks volumes of their respect they have for upstream sources.

"Hey everyone, the open source foundation which enabled the most iconic and successfully marketed line of electronic fashion of the past decade is letting the people whose intellectual property they nicked to make their shit actually work go down in flames because, well fuck-em, that's how successful capitalists behave, right? Fuck those incompetent geeks who made things work, they should have had Jobs all important market charisma then..."

Does it make anyone else ill to think of how many MBA and business brats worldwide idolize and openly profess to emulate the conniving sociopath and his Barnum ways?

Must be... (0)

benjfowler (239527) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967317)

... Theo's magnetic personality.

Re:Must be... (4, Funny)

Gothmolly (148874) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967369)

If he was magnetic enough, he could produce his own electricity.

Re:Must be... (0)

swamp boy (151038) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968015)

If he was magnetic enough, he could produce his own electricity.

I like it!!!

Re:Must be... (1, Funny)

funwithBSD (245349) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967453)

RMS donated a quarter.

Re:Must be... (4, Funny)

FreonTrip (694097) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967501)

That he found stuck to the bottom of his foot.

Re:Must be... (1, Funny)

killkillkill (884238) | 1 year,15 days | (#45967839)

At least this time he didn't eat it [youtube.com]

Re:Must be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968061)

You just had to be *that* guy...

Re:Must be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45967883)

While he was chewing on his feet.

Blame the goverment (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967381)

In a truly free market, a superior OS such as OpenBSD would never need to beg for funding. So either OpenBSD is not considered valuable enough by the people who use it (which is obviously stupid) or the goverment is interfering with their ability to raise that funding. Since the project is being hosted in Canada, which is a well known large scale welfare state with a very very socialist tendency, I think it is safe to assume that their problem is the country they are located in. I think they should consider moving to a free-er country such as Singapore, so the market can be free to reward their superior technology with all the funding they could ever need.

Re:Blame the goverment (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968189)

That might make sense if they were selling their product. While they do sell some things, it's more akin to a Boy Scout bakesale because their main product is still given away.

Too bad (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967509)

You know, it's really too bad. I was an avid OpenBSD fan until I interacted with Theo and he was extremely belligerent regarding pretty routine matters that required no hostility. Then his followers jumped on me as well, as if it was necessary to back up their fearless leader in what was perceived to be life or death combat.

In the past I had donated regularly to the project, but after that incident I began to give to the FreeBSD community instead. Who by and large seem to be a much more friendly bunch and certainly don't seem to be sweating massive power bills.

Seems to me that Theo's inability to conjure up the slightest bit of charisma in the face of utter defeat is symptomatic of why OpenBSD is dying. They needlessly humiliate and scorn their own followers over minor perceived philosophical or technical differences, thus the only path they can end up on is one with less and less support.

They will probably fail in the long run as a result of this behavior and their inflexibility to re-locate or distribute their build servers. Theo has ranted about how they must be in what amounts to his garage, but I don't buy it. I'm pretty sure they could easily be re-located -- but don't mention that in his presence or he'll surely burn you, too.

Re:Too bad (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45967739)

He seems reasonable to me provided the person he is talking to is well-informed. I hear this story a lot, but I've never seen a link to or a log of the conversation posted. I imagine if it was, we'd see that it was likely another case of someone thinking they were more well-informed than they actually were.

Re:Too bad (3, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | 1 year,15 days | (#45967811)

Basic politeness shouldn't depend on whether the person you're conversing with is well-informed or not.

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45967929)

He's a developer, not a community relations representative. Unless he's going completely off the deep end, I don't think he's doing anything wrong.

Re:Too bad (2)

Minupla (62455) | 1 year,15 days | (#45967997)

I read it somewhere:

We all manipulate, we ask people to please pass the salt instead of saying pass the &#(@#ing salt you *#(*$@$(*@$ing $*@$"

Me thinks that if you're going to need help with an electric bill in the future, it might help to occasionally engage in a bit of manipulation on the please pass the salt level.

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968051)

Ah yes, now your profession allows you to be a dick. If he was a cop would he get to shoot people who annoy him too?

Re:Too bad (3, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968069)

He's the leader of the project. This carries with it the duties of a "community relations representative", among other things.

Anyway, developers don't get an excuse for being dicks unnecessarily. No-one does.

Except Linus ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968293)

Anyway, developers don't get an excuse for being dicks unnecessarily. No-one does.

Except Linus among Linux fans.

Re:Except Linus ... (3, Insightful)

shutdown -p now (807394) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968347)

Yes, Linus is guilty of a similar thing. But Theo's attitude problem is an order of magnitude more than that of Linus.

Re: Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968339)

Torvalds seems to get a pass.... Just saying.

( I find Torvalds 'rants' and developer eviscerations amusing. Until I personally speak with him, I dont have an opinion of him other than very intelligent person behind the linux kernel.)

Re: Too bad (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968435)

Torvalds regularly gets critique over his rants and insults even here on Slashdot, actually.

Anyway, "getting a pass" would, by definition, imply doing this without any consequences for oneself. And yes, being important enough, it is possible to pull off (though it's still being a dick at the end of the day). But if Theo doesn't get the money to run his project due to his attitude, then perhaps he's not as important as Linus? Just saying.

Re:Too bad (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968073)

He's the head of the project, which makes him a figurehead and basically a "community relations representative" as you put it. He's not just some nameless developer that no one ever hears from.

No, he's much more than that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968113)

See, that's where I think a lot of people are giving Theo way too much slack. He's not just a developer, he's the self-appointed representative, the front man of the OpenBSD community. Who else has taken on that role in the past? Noone has. Theo has put this responsibility squarely on his shoulders, so every representation he makes, positive or negative, reflects not just on him personally as a 'developer,' but moreso on the entire OpenBSD community. The buck stops with him. And right now he's doing a great job stopping those bucks from coming to him as well.

Except (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968003)

That when you deal with a number of dumbasses on a regular basis, you begin to expect the next person to be a dumbass as well. Haven't you ever worked in IT end user support before?

Re:Except (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968105)

Does Theo work in IT end user support?

I'm a developer, and I deal with other developers on a regular basis. I do come by an occasional dumbass, but it's certainly not a regular occurrence, and it still doesn't justify hurling invectives at them. You just shrug and move on.

OTOH, if you treat everyone as a dumbass, and proudly proclaim that to the world, then you don't get to bitch when the end result is such as described in this article.

Reasonable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968095)

That's why he has his own Wikipedia page subsection with quotes from others regarding his harsh attitude:


Re: Too Bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968129)

Follow the link in the summary to the email discussion step through a few of the messages. You'll see him being sarcastic and entitled.

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45967763)


I have a hunch that those "logistical problems" are more personal preference. The plea itself came across to me as quite hostile, and his replies to some suggestions are just baffling from a guy who is asking for money.

He's a very smart guy and there's usually a lot of truth in what he says, but he comes off as an real asshole, which is hard on a community and disastrous on a fund raising campaign.

Re:Too bad (1)

borcharc (56372) | 1 year,15 days | (#45967933)

Does Canada have some form of energy assistance that Theo can apply for to keep the power on in his garage? Many US states have programs that cap power under 7% of your income if you are poor as I assume he is with the lack of donations paying his bills, surly Canada does as well.

Re:Too bad (1)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | 1 year,15 days | (#45967995)

All of us in geek tech, everyone in the business, whether sysadmins, developers, grunts, project managers, hardware devs, etc. are all such truly well-rounded, serene, polite, and co-operative people who exude zen mastery.

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968159)

Theo and the fact they don't even bother to checksum their kernel source code for releases helps to show it is more about ego than security.

Re:Too bad (4, Interesting)

serviscope_minor (664417) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968191)

Well, you know I was a fan of OpenBSD until I had to interact with the mailing list.

I figured they're all professionals and giving their time for free. The best way to show respect is to not waste their time. So, I carefully read up on the things I was asking about. I documented what I had read in the message and which questions remained unanswered. Actually during this process, I actually answered some of my questions, simply by being more careful.

So, I then posted.

And I got polite, helpful responses, even though I was compiling a custom kernel which is strongly discouraged. But then Theo himself weighed in and... gave polite, helpful responses.

I remained a fan of OpenBSD.

Maybe you did get on his bad side, but much of the hostility I've seen in the OSS community is people getting grumpy because someone comes along and would rather the professionals help them for free than take the time to use google.

Re:Too bad (2)

Hatta (162192) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968221)

Why were you interacting with Theo about routine matters?

Thats why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967513)

I was wondering why they were suddenly accepting bitcoins for donations, this explains it. Thanks!

very key reasons this is an issue. (5, Interesting)

nimbius (983462) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967533)

1. the nature of OpenBSD means build servers are the word of god on the lips and hearts of every developer and user. their physical verifiability and integrity is sacrosanct. finding a remote build location in this the year of our NSA 2014 would prove difficult if not impossible.

2. this is controversial. its not an attempt to stoke a flamewar, but it i feel must be said. the BSD license itself hinders the visibility of the projects its designed to protect. It allows corporations, the very entities that theo wants his electric bill 'on their books' to ignore the project entirely and slurp down releases whenever a security hole shows up on their product. Other than a README most corporations arent required to think twice about the code, let alone where it comes from, under the BSD. IMHO only when openbsd.org starts returning srvfail will these companies know what theyve lost. GPLvN remind companies on a per-release basis where the bread for which their butter goes comes from. code must face the scrutiny of developers, engineers, legal teams, managers and a multitude of other stakeholders.

Re:very key reasons this is an issue. (1, Insightful)

borcharc (56372) | 1 year,15 days | (#45967759)

Their demand to keep the servers in house when free space/power has been offered is stupid. If you think the NSA or any other determined adversary can not break into some bsd dev's basement, then I cant help you. This is dumb oss don't pee in my pool management.

Re:very key reasons this is an issue. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45967989)

Did you miss the part where the servers are in Canada? NSA has no reach here unless they want to act illegally. Which I'm sure they would never do...ahem.

Re:very key reasons this is an issue. (3, Informative)

Grishnakh (216268) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968169)

Did you miss the part where the servers are in Canada? NSA has no reach here unless they want to act illegally.

Wrong. US law explicitly allows the NSA to hack into anything outside the US they want to, so it's perfectly legal for them to access those servers in Canada.

You're probably thinking about Canadian law, but that's irrelevant. According to the US Government, US law trumps all other jurisdictions' laws.

Re:very key reasons this is an issue. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968379)

US law explicitly allows the NSA to hack into anything outside the US they want to

This is simply nonsense. A single state laws can't make something legal in other countries.

At most the US laws can state that NSA agents will not be prosecuted in the united states for actions performed abroad.

The US laws cannot stop the Canadian government from prosecuting the NSA agents performing acts illegal there.

US law isn't superior to other countries laws, sspecially in other countries land.

Re:very key reasons this is an issue. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968017)

It's a LOT more likely that some evil organization would be able to fuck with servers in an "undetected" manner at some random datacenter than they would in someone's house. This is largely because datacenter staff is usually instructed to show the government organization in question where the machines they're asking about are then getting the fuck out of their way. As opposed to entering someone's home and possibly having to fire upon someone or getting killed.

Re:very key reasons this is an issue. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45967967)

doubt it costs 20k/yr for that rack.
if he wants money he should disclose his expense sheet.
but he wrote that he isnt going to do that.
so much for being an open project.

theo's an asshole, it hurts openbsd more than it helps it.

Fuck this industry (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967565)

this shows just how irresponsible we all are. openbsd is arguably the most relevant/important OSS project after the linux kernel.

Re:Fuck this industry (3, Funny)

swamp boy (151038) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968047)

this shows just how irresponsible we all are. openbsd is arguably the most relevant/important OSS project after the linux kernel.

Theo, is that you?

Re:Fuck this industry (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968151)

you made me lawl.

I was referring to things like openssh and stuff.

what a cunt (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967577)

$20,000 for electricity? WTF type of wasteful infrastructure are they running?

>"The OpenBSD project uses a lot of electricity for running the
> development and build machines. A number of logistical reasons
> prevents us from moving the machines to another location which might
> offer space/power for free, so let's not allow the conversation to go
> that way."

Fuck you man. Fix your shit. You should have done this years ago instead of allowing this to happen now. If not, economics will do for you what you refused to do yourself.

Take my money! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967583)

Where should I transfer money to accelerate their shutdown?

Re:Take my money! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968287)

To me.

$20k? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967589)

Where did that number come from? Not listed in TFA.

No shortage of non-free software though in BSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967593)

It's a shame... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967629)

there aren't any major commercial success stories out there built off BSD technology with both the financial resources and the human simple decency required to acknowledge their upstream sources.

Host a Kickstarter (5, Interesting)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | 1 year,16 days | (#45967695)

Theo et. al. might turn up their noses at the idea, but a $40,000 kickstarter to keep OpenBSD going might not be a bad idea.

Rewards might include: kudos for contributions, limited edition (kickstarter only) t-shirts/posters/soundtracks, CD sets (duh), and for big contributors ($2500-$5000) a customized VDD set up for whatever purposes you want, yours to keep or share as you like.

Re:Host a Kickstarter (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968081)

If you RTFML, you will see that Theo answered that:

http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=138973837906139&w=2 [marc.info]

Whether he answered it well or not is another question.

Re:Host a Kickstarter (1)

mythosaz (572040) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968117)

Top contributors get to submit their very own code!

Seriously though, a Kickstarter plan is essentially a bake-sale for them, the equivalent of your average PBS pledge drive. Donate $20 now and get this decorative mouse-pad! ...which is fine, as long as it's a limited run that makes you feel good about donating $20 to OpenBSD instead of FreeBSD/NetBSD/Dragonfly/whateverBSD.

There's no harm in selling signed-by-Theo OpenBSD t-shirts. They've already "sold out" by begging for cash. At least give back a trinket with the other hand. [...the common courtesy of a reach-around.]

more funding level ideas! (4, Funny)

SuperBanana (662181) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968443)

Further ideas for funding levels:

"Theo Happy Day" - for each person who contributes at that level, Theo behaves like a responsible, polite, civil, empathetic human being for an entire day.

"Fire suit" - for this contribution, you are entitled to one (1) interaction with Theo where he does not insult, belittle, demean, or behave in a condescending manner, towards you.

Donation Link (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,16 days | (#45967703)

OpenBSD Foundation [openbsdfoundation.org]

Re:Donation Link (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968325)

Mod Parent Up!

Put Theo in a dunk tank (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45967721)

I'd drop a benjamin for three balls.

Re:Put Theo in a dunk tank (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45967843)

Ill just run up and push the button making sure not to pay before running off.. theirs your remote root.

Re:Put Theo in a dunk tank (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45967899)

OpenBSD is probably my favorite relevant operating system, and Theo is an absolutely delightful human being, but I could see this bringing in some serious funds. I unashamedly admit that I would also contribute to the dunk-theo-for-obsd pool.

Wait (4, Funny)

MBGMorden (803437) | 1 year,15 days | (#45967753)

Apparently there's free as in speech and free as in beer, but there is no free as in electricity.

Re:Wait (4, Funny)

TheloniousToady (3343045) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968109)

Yes, there is. Think about it - I bet it will hit you like a lightning bolt soon.

Photo of OpenBSD Build Server Racks (5, Informative)

Freshly Exhumed (105597) | 1 year,15 days | (#45967951)

Here's a link to a photo on OpenBSD Journal of the build server racks and all the great (some quite old) machines being used:

http://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg [openbsd.org]

Lots of memories looking at some of those machines... I'd be a bit concerned about the longevity of some of those.

Re:Photo of OpenBSD Build Server Racks (4, Funny)

pr0nbot (313417) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968097)

Each of you who clicks this link is only increasing their electricity bills!

Re:Photo of OpenBSD Build Server Racks (0)

CronoCloud (590650) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968407)

This is Slashdot, we should be automating the increase in electricity bills.

watch -n 5 wget --delete-after http://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg [openbsd.org]

Yes, I know that's a sort of "attack" and wouldn't actually do it.

Re:Photo of OpenBSD Build Server Racks (1)

phantomfive (622387) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968255)

Does it really cost $20k to keep those servers running for a year?

Re:Photo of OpenBSD Build Server Racks (2)

Phelan (30485) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968345)

So updating these servers with newer models via donation or whatever would go to great lengths to reduce that $20k bill.

I understand why they need the different build environments but:
2 Network switch vendors
3 UPS vendors
in 2 racks
It's like the thrift store of computer closets.

Did this last year (3, Interesting)

rahvin112 (446269) | 1 year,15 days | (#45967953)

Didn't they do this last year as well? I seems Theo isn't drawing the dollars anymore and has to have a funding drives every few months.

But I agree with others, turning down offers of free hosting for the build servers then refusing and begging for money doesn't engender sympathy.

FreeBSD (0)

kry73n (2742191) | 1 year,15 days | (#45967977)

If you look at the FreeBSD donations page https://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors [freebsdfoundation.org] they must be doing something right that OpenBSD does wrong. They have lots of corporate sponsors. If you develop something that (almost) no one wants, you should not be surprised if no one throws money at you.

Re:FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968315)

As an employee of a company that could be considered a typical corporate sponsor for such projects, I can assure you that that fuckwit Theo de Raad has done more than sufficient to piss us off, not just the corporation, the individuals in it, that he will not get a dime.

Re:FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#45968343)

Maybe a better attitude?

Security Vendors that use OpenBSD should pitch in (2)

Danathar (267989) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968091)

Of all those security vendors who use OpenBSD in their proprietary security appliance boxes why can't any of them give some money back?

Love the mess (1)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968115)

That server collection is a dump, that looks about identical to my wiring. I love it. It tells me two things. The admin is not some OCD creep that obsesses over the wrong things. But it also tells me that there isn't a person with a marketing bone within 1000 feet of that server collection. I am not a fan of the MBA mentality but gathering money is what they do (usually for their own selfish gain).

The horrible truth is that a tech company with all marketing people will generally do better than a tech company with all tech people. The key is to make sure that you have the minimum number of marketing types and that they are sufficiently neutered so as to prevent them from taking over as they are like Money Tribbles who will quickly find and eat your storehouse of value turning it into more Tribbles(MBAs) until all the value is gone.

So if you want OpenBSD to get out of the swamp get a marketing guy. But keep him on a short leash or OpenBSD will swell up and then burst in the next bust.

Re:Love the mess (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968359)

It's an old picture and some of the hardware has been replaced. As far as I know they are currently out of VAXes among other things.

Why $20,000 a year? (1)

cowwoc2001 (976892) | 1 year,15 days | (#45968439)

Please enlighten me:

1. Why do you need to so many computers for your build servers?
2. Why does it cost $20,000 a year to power these computers when it takes a whole order of magnitude to power my entire house for a year?

Something doesn't make sense.

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