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Apple Devices To Reach Parity With Windows PCs In 2014

samzenpus posted about 9 months ago | from the all-grown-up dept.

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Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Horace Dediu writes at Aymco that in 2013 there were 18.8 times more Windows PCs sold than Macs, a reduction in the Windows advantage from about 19.8x in 2012. But the bigger story is how Apple's mobile platform including iOS devices has nearly reached the sales volume of Windows. In 2013 there were only 1.18 more Windows PCs than Apple devices sold. Odds are that in 2014 Apple and Windows will be at parity. Dediu says that the Windows advantage itself came from the way computing was purchased in the period of its ascent in the 1980s and 1990s 'when computing platform decisions were made first by companies then by developers and later by individuals who took their cues from what standards were already established. As these decisions created network effects, the cycle repeated and the majority platform strengthened.' There was concentration in decision making in the 80s so a platform could win by convincing 500 individuals who had the authority (as CIOs) to impose through fiat a standard on the centers of gravity of purchasing power. Today, with mobile products there are billions of decision makers. and the decision making process for buying computers, which began with large companies IT departments making decisions with multi-year horizons, has changed to billions of individuals making decisions with no horizons. Companies have become the laggards and individuals the early adopters of technology. 'Ultimately, it was the removal of the intermediary between buyer and beneficiary which dissolved Microsoft's power over the purchase decision,' concludes Dediu. 'The computer has become personal not just in the sense of how it's used but in the sense of how it's owned.' Finally, all the above is almost moot, given the rise of Android, something that is beating both Cupertino and Redmond alike."

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Units sold or already out? (4, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 9 months ago | (#45973219)

There are tons of PC's in any corporation and home.

The difference is they run XP still and are 8 years old and are therefore not counted. I do not believe there is an IPAD for every corporate employee.

Re:Units sold or already out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973231)

Units sold. Of course, it only takes about 3-4 years of equalling sales to be equal in the latter stat too. Given that according to these stats we've been at 1.3x-1.1x for the past 3 years, we're getting really close to the tipping point for all units in use too.

Re:Units sold or already out? (-1)

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Re:Units sold or already out? (4, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | about 9 months ago | (#45973257)

These are sales, not installed base. With sales at 1:1 it will take a long time for Apple to catch up on installed devices. At 3:1 or 4:1 though, Android will handle that by the end of this year.

Re:Units sold or already out? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973623)

At 3:1 or 4:1 though, Android will handle that by the end of this year.

Android may have already passed Windows installed base. Gartner estimates there were 1.63 billion Windows PCs in the world at the end of 2013, and that around 850 million Android devices sold in the same year. Android sales in 2012 were just under 800 milion, up about 35% from 2011.

The global average lifespan of a moble device is hard to find, but most estimates put it at around 22-25 months. Adding the numbers suggests Android has already passed Windows, or at the very least achieved parity with it.

I'm not sure why we're discussing Apple in this context at all. I guess we just like also-rans here...

Can't directly compare PC and phone sales ... (5, Insightful)

perpenso (1613749) | about 9 months ago | (#45973337)

PCs have a longer lifespan, they are way overpowered for what most people use them for. I have a five year old 3GHz 64-bit AMD box. It is still quite usable, I upgraded the video card recently, about $150, and it is still quite usable for gaming. I have no compelling reason to replace this five year old PC.

In contrast every two years I can get an iPhone upgrade for free with a two year contract, sure its not the latest generation hardware but its a free hardware upgrade. Or I can splurge and spend $200 every two years and get the latest generation hardware.

You can't directly compare PC vs phone sales if PCs are on a 6+ year purchase cycle and phones are on a 2 year purchase cycle. Keep in mind that these are not competing devices, they are complementary devices. Most people are going to own and use both PCs and phones.

Tablets muddy the waters a little but they are still mostly complementary devices. Not many PC users can switch completely to tablets.

Re:Can't directly compare PC and phone sales ... (4, Interesting)

reikae (80981) | about 9 months ago | (#45973533)

I wonder at which point smartphones will become fast enough so that people will stick the same phone for at least five years or so.

Of course they're more prone to physically breaking than the desktop PC, so they'll be replaced sooner than desktops no matter how well they're performing.

Re:Can't directly compare PC and phone sales ... (5, Insightful)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 9 months ago | (#45973703)

I'm still on my Galaxy IIS. An upgrade would be swell, but do I really NEED such? Not really, and I, for one, have shifted from a "want" economy to a "need" economy. One of the few ways you can easily stick it to The Man (or at least the IRS) these days is put the spare loot against standing debt, and not new gadgets.

Re:Can't directly compare PC and phone sales ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973655)

PCs have a longer lifespan, they are way overpowered for what most people use them for. I have a five year old 3GHz 64-bit AMD box. It is still quite usable, I upgraded the video card recently, about $150, and it is still quite usable for gaming. I have no compelling reason to replace this five year old PC.

Firstly; by "PC"s you should understand "laptops". Desktops are already quite rare in most companies outside call centres. Even workers who sit in the same place every day are expected to be able to move to a conference room with their computer and show a presentation. Secondly, you should understand that, for most users the system they use is Windows or OS X. They are "forced" to upgrade by their system becoming obsolete.

With these criteria there is always something horribly wrong with the PC. The screens are almost always lower resolution, which turns out to be a limitation after a year or two. The power supplies are plugged in in a way that means that one simple mistake and your computer falls on the ground and breaks. MacBooks use a magnetic power supply that makes it rarer. Then we come to plasticky badly designed cases, which crack after a year or two. Admittedly that has got better, but I still think a new Mac is going to survive drops better than most PC laptops. This all adds up to the likelyhood that you, or someone you know, will be using your PC after five years is less than the chance for a Mac.

What's killing the upgrade market now is that the PC manufacturers have got themselves into a classic trap of dependence on one supplier. Apple owns it's own systems, so decisions are made internally for both hardware and software. Microsoft's interests have never been the same as the as the PC manufacturers but they are now 100% opposed. Microsoft has to force Windows users onto tablets even if it kills the PC, because ten years down the line 80-90 percent of usage time is going to be on mobile devices. They must sacrifice large parts of the PC market even if it only buys them 10% of the tablet market since they know they can't control Android.

Re:Can't directly compare PC and phone sales ... (1)

dwater (72834) | about 9 months ago | (#45973741)

> they are way overpowered for what most people use them for

Oh, I don't know about that...it takes quite a bit of horsepower to do all that virus scanning.

> can get an iPhone upgrade for free with a two year contract

^free^included ?

Re:Units sold or already out? (1)

hawkingradiation (1526209) | about 9 months ago | (#45973345)

According to this article [slashdot.org] intrinsic support for XP will end this year. (And by intrinsic I mean OS updates that keep the OS secure from 0-day flaws-not just MSE). Even if they were being run for 2014-2001 = 13 years, the end is nigh. I agree with other commenters that a PC has a shorter life span than you imagine, with 3-4 years tending to be the norm and with 1:1 in sales for "Mac":"PC" they will eventually reach parity within that time. BTW my home has been Windows free since 2004 and Google requires a business case for any Windows PC.

Re:Units sold or already out? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973413)

BTW my home has been Windows free since 2004 and Google requires a business case for any Windows PC.

BTW nobody cares! put your stormtrooper outfit back on and go back to the mothership.

Re:Units sold or already out? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 9 months ago | (#45973427)

According to this article [slashdot.org] intrinsic support for XP will end this year. (And by intrinsic I mean OS updates that keep the OS secure from 0-day flaws-not just MSE). Even if they were being run for 2014-2001 = 13 years, the end is nigh. I agree with other commenters that a PC has a shorter life span than you imagine, with 3-4 years tending to be the norm and with 1:1 in sales for "Mac":"PC" they will eventually reach parity within that time. BTW my home has been Windows free since 2004 and Google requires a business case for any Windows PC.

That was a little gripe as I am fighting tooth and nail in another thread in Slashdot from +5 nodded authors who say they run XP with a smile and many reactionaries are here which never were before Vista.

But they do rn XP and still outnumber ipads

Billions of Androids (4, Insightful)

symbolset (646467) | about 9 months ago | (#45973229)

Let Apple and Microsoft fight over who is a distant number 2. When sales are 3x, the installed base converts pretty quickly.

Re:Billions of Androids (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973261)

Except that in the US and Europe, iOS still outsells android. It's only in the east that Android (massively) outsells iOS.

Re: Billions of Androids (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973287)

Nope. Not in uk.

Re:Billions of Androids (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973305)

so only in 80% of the world that android wins, good thing you clarified that dude.

Re:Billions of Androids (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973365)

so only in 80% of the world that android wins, good thing you clarified that dude.

80% of the world where people don't own PCs personally and a smartphone is their only personal connection to the internet. And the 80% of the world where most of the people are financially forced to go for the lowest priced option. In the 20% of the world where people generally have the financial circumstances to be able to have a choice in the matter, then its close with respect to sales. However in actual usage iOS is far ahead of Android. This is probably due to tablets. Android seriously lags when one only looks at tablets.

Re:Billions of Androids (5, Insightful)

E-Rock (84950) | about 9 months ago | (#45973377)

Wins what? I never understand why people pick a tribe and then pray for the destruction of their foes.

We only win when there are multiple viable choices available. Once someone 'wins' their focus turns to consolidation and not to innovation.

Re:Billions of Androids (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973517)

We only win when there are multiple viable choices available.

I don't mind that there are so many Linux and *BSD OSs, because they are viable choices which benefit the development of operating systems as a whole. The software produced by Microsoft and Apple hinder the development of high quality software and incorporation of research results into mainstream products. They are not sufficiently viable.

Re:Billions of Androids (-1, Troll)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about 9 months ago | (#45973565)

Says the partisan neckbeard... Nobody cares what you think, neckbeard.

Re:Billions of Androids (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973523)

I too was thinking that this parity can only be important for Apple and MS (and the people with vested interrests in those companies. Possibly a handfull of other manufactures too (Dell springs to mind)) for the rest of us it is really irrelevant as both options are well-supported and anyone who picks their tools from a "does-the-job" perspective (and not a political/religious reason) is just lucky to have more choice than we used to.

And I agree that if one manufacturer wins, the rest of us have lost (just look at the lockin of the Windows world in the early 90s, something we are still suffering under the aftermath of - it was probably as bad on the apple-side, but i have always been a PC guy - simply because that was what i knew)

Re:Billions of Androids (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about 9 months ago | (#45973557)

Wins what? I never understand why people pick a tribe and then pray for the destruction of their foes.

You're not alone. [bgr.com]

Re:Billions of Androids (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973713)

Don't get confused about this; There are two tribes here; "slightly open" and "closed" and which one wins will make a real difference. This is a question of total control. Android already has clones and fully viable internal competitors (Amazon's kindle systems; chinese ones, etc). IOS to a large extent and Windows 100% arew becoming closed systems in which large media companies and "approved" developers will have special powers nobody else shares.

Currently Microsoft is subsidising every phone they sell. They pay for marketing for Windows 8 and demand that it is the only operating system mentioned on PC suppliers sites. If Microsoft ever gets to 30% market share there will be a massive closedown and that investment they are making now will have to be recovered.

Google saw this some time ago and realised that, when Apple or Microsoft get complete control of the market their search will be locked out of almost every new device. They are now somewhat on the side of freedom and openness just because they realised that closed and locked is a trap for them. That doesn't make them good, and the fact that their backs are against the wall may make them dangerous, however compared to their competitors they aren't "evil". Hope they win, because if anyone else does there is no chance of another competitor arising ever again.

Re:Billions of Androids (2)

Kkloe (2751395) | about 9 months ago | (#45973433)

Re:Billions of Androids (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973531)

Except that in the US and Europe, iOS still outsells android. It's only in the east that Android (massively) outsells iOS.

You must not live or have visited Europe.

Re:Billions of Androids (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973665)

I'm in the US and you couldn't pay me to take an iPhone... well, ok, if you paid me and it was a current model, I'd probably take it, and then sell it to someone for a profit, I'm not stupid, but I'd far rather have Android based than an Apple product.

Re:Billions of Androids (1)

C18H27NO3 (1282172) | about 9 months ago | (#45973749)

My sentiments exactly.

Re:Billions of Androids (5, Interesting)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 9 months ago | (#45973491)

Let Apple and Microsoft fight over who is a distant number 2. When sales are 3x, the installed base converts pretty quickly.

Not really.

Because while Androids outsell Apple 4:1 or more, there's a very strange thing going on. Mobile web traffic has iOS using TWICE the amount of data over Android. Or, put another way, 1 iOS user consumes as much data as 8 Android users.

On the spending front, it's about 1:1 iOS:Android - i.e., for every iOS user that buys stuff online, 1 Android user buys stuff online. And even with that, iOS users spend more.

And finally, advertisers apparently prefer iOS users - willing to pay up to twice as much per impression to an iOS user than an Android user.

I don't know what the vast majority of Android users are doing, but it certainly isn't contributing to the ecosystem. It would be more like Mac and PCs, except it appears the vast majority of PCs were used only to play Solitaire as their sole function - leaving the few Mac users being ones to actually use their computers. Then again, the vast majority of PCs are probably used in a similar fashion - surf the web, send email, do facebook, shut down PC....

Of course, given that most Androids are crap-droids that people are buying to replace their featurephones, I guess it makes sense - the phones sell, but they're only used to talk and text. No web browsing.

Makes you wonder, when reports of the average cellphone bill being close to $150, that most people are really paying for plans they're not using. They see shiny Android, they may browse the web the first few days, then boom, the phone's just a phone.

Even Samsung's flagship phones barely crack 10% of the Android market, and Samsung owns about 90% of the Android phones out there, so for every S4, they sell 8 other "budget class" Android phones.

OTOH, the good news is, developers don't have to worry about those phones - most users will probably access the Play store once or twice, then forget about it. Google's metrics only measure the last 3 or 4 weeks, so the vast majority of phones reported would be active users (the ones who probably bought an Android phone to use as a smartphone, and not a fancier featurephone that cost less).

Re:Billions of Androids (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973549)

It's really pathetic that the only thing these Apple shills have left to brag about is web usage. I can recall a time when Apple used to flout their sales numbers. They no longer do that because they've been taken over rather handily in both smartphones and tablets. So all they have left is "web usage". I wonder what they'll resort to when that meaningless stat is also taken away from them? I'm guessing it'll be something like more old people use iOS in the bathroom than Android.

Re:Billions of Androids (3, Interesting)

Bert64 (520050) | about 9 months ago | (#45973649)

The mobile web traffic stat ties in with the budget handset stat... Apple only target the high end, so their customers generally have more money to spend on data service and other things in general. This means they use the service more, buy more apps and are better targets for advertisers.

In related news... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973243)

ABCco writes that the number of apples and oranges sold in 2014 will also reach parity!

captcha: counters

Exactly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973555)

Really, who cares that one company's devices match the number of devices with another company's OS? Why not start comparing Apple devices with Windows licenses? Or maybe Windows phones with OS X instances?

Hugh Baby (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973247)

We luv u! Keep ur news comin! If not 4 u we would b reading last week's newz!

How is this news (3, Informative)

zerotorr (729953) | about 9 months ago | (#45973255)

They're comparing Iphones to PCs? How is this parity?

Re:How is this news (3, Funny)

quax (19371) | about 9 months ago | (#45973497)

When a 'phone' runs UNIX underneath and is a commercially attractive software platform, then I think there is indeed a basis for comparison.

Re:How is this news (1)

Microlith (54737) | about 9 months ago | (#45973633)

That iPhones run xnu is irrelevant given how hard they fight to keep you away from it.

Re:How is this news (5, Interesting)

abhi_beckert (785219) | about 9 months ago | (#45973651)

My iPhone can do everything I can do on my workstation. The screen is too small to be productive at some tasks, but it can do everything.

Sure, I can't access a bash prompt on localhost, unless I jailbreak it, but I definitely have an ssh client and have logged into my server many times... even solved a catastrophe once using just my phone, vi works surprisingly well using the iOS keyboard.

Re:How is this news (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973755)

vi works surprisingly well using the iOS keyboard

Well now I know you're just making shit up! EMACS or die bro!

Re:How is this news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973519)

No, they're comparing the sum of phones, tablets and PCs running Apple's UNIX OS to the sum of phones, tablets and PCs running Microsoft's NT OS.

Re:How is this news (1)

lostmongoose (1094523) | about 9 months ago | (#45973717)

No, it isn't. I *gasp* read TFA and it's specifically comparing just Windows PC sales to total iOS+OSX device sales. Nowhere does he mention Windows Phone or Tablet sales. The article is incredibly misleading and biased.

Re:How is this news (5, Funny)

aardvarkjoe (156801) | about 9 months ago | (#45973653)

This is nothing. Last year Americans bought 309 million Windows PCs, but they bought over 11 billion paper clips. It is clear that Microsoft has lost its stranglehold on the paperclip/Windows PC market.

Death Knell For Microsoft's Monopoly? (4, Insightful)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about 9 months ago | (#45973271)

Investment analysts have noticed for quite some time that Apple's iphone has a "halo effect." Specifically, people who buy iphones are more likely to buy Macs (and ipads) in the future. And apple is quite good at this sort of turnover.

So the news here is not that so many iphones are sold. The news is that this may indicate the status of Mac vs. PC in the future.

Re:Death Knell For Microsoft's Monopoly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973737)

Anal ists you say?

death of the pc? (1)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | about 9 months ago | (#45973273)

I have no idea how a developer can do their job with only a smart phone or pad/tablet.

I need a screen, keyboard and mouse. Anyone worming in stats beyond what I need to do my job is simply spreading FUD.

Re:death of the pc? (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 9 months ago | (#45973419)

PCs will become like the super workstations of the late 80s and early 90s.. They'll be $10000 and only corporates and government will be able to afford them. The rest of us will be stuck with locked down content consumption devices..

Re:death of the pc? (1)

Bert64 (520050) | about 9 months ago | (#45973661)

Depends what you mean by "Stuck with", for the vast majority of users content consumption is all they do, and having a large complicated workstation is very dangerous for someone who doesn't know how to manage it properly.

Re:death of the pc? (0)

afidel (530433) | about 9 months ago | (#45973499)

Then hook up a phone/tablet via HDMI and use a BT keyboard and mouse, the only thing that would suck would be compiling but that can be done on a server. Flagship phones already ship with 2GB of ram and a processor about on par with the first Core 2 Duo's, within 18-24 months they'll have 4GB of ram which should be sufficient for most workers.

Re:death of the pc? (2)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about 9 months ago | (#45973569)

a processor about on par with the first Core 2 Duo

Lol. No, they don't.

Re:death of the pc? (3, Informative)

afidel (530433) | about 9 months ago | (#45973639)

Sunspider scores for the iphone 5S and Note 3 are nearly identical to the Core 2 Duo, remember Conroe is 7.5 years or 5 Moore generations ago.

You in5ensitiven clod! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973275)

well apple does get a boost with the new mac pro (0)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 9 months ago | (#45973291)

well apple does get a boost with the new mac pro after of years of been stuck in the past. 2012 was just an small bump but they used the same 2010 video card at 2010 prices!.

also the windows 8 flop hurt MS and I don't think that windows 7 system fully count.

Re:well apple does get a boost with the new mac pr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973361)

well apple does get a boost with the new mac pro after of years of been stuck in the past.

Because everyone will want to have a computer on their desk that looks like a trash can

Re: well apple does get a boost with the new mac p (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973455)

Yeah, I remember when it was common to spend $3000 on a desktop PC. I think a Compaq Deskpro 386 cost about that.

And in sports... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973293)

And in other news, shoes outsold cars five thousand to one the previous year. Footage at eleven.

Re:And in sports... (1)

Badooleoo (3045733) | about 9 months ago | (#45973371)

But is that counting shoes in pairs or separately?

Tyre sales must look really good in comparison.

Re:And in sports... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973689)

Tyre sales beat car sales by a 4:1 ratio. :-P

Not a fanboi, but (1)

kramerd (1227006) | about 9 months ago | (#45973295)

a ridiculous amount of that is caused by people who don't understand function over form. Every business = windows, every art student = mac, but there really is no explaining college students. You need an excel-like program (and there are great free ones) for math, unless you are an engineer. You need a decent email system, and if your school doesn't default to one, you went to the wrong place. You need a word processor, to fix your many spelling and grammatical errors. That's it. Buy the cheapest one that isn't raspberry pi, since you aren't in CS/CE and don't already have one.

Re:Not a fanboi, but (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973375)

You've got a lot to learn about humans. Who buys buys/uses/consumes something purely for it's function?

Did you buy the cheapest most functional clothes you could for a few cents a pop from singapore? or did you buy from some form of a brand or another, be it upper/middle/lower western scales from a local retailer? I thought so.

Did you buy the most functional food you could, calculating your exact dietary requirements and buying just what is required by your body? Or did you buy what you like because you enjoy it more? I thought so.

Did you buy an iPhone/Android/Windows/BlackBerry/FFOS/Tizen/other-brand smart phone, or did you get a plain functional Nokia/Ericsson/Motorolla/whatever cell phone that just dials and texts? I thought so too.

This has nothing to do about understanding function over form, this is about human nature, social and cultural constructs, and fashion.

Re:Not a fanboi, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973543)

Nokia runs Linux, either Maemo or Android. The Ericsson phones are called Sony nowadays.

And yes, for the phone that I use to be reachable 24/7, I use a phone (Samsung actually) that only dials and texts because the battery lasts for a whole week. I have plenty of colleagues with smartphones whom have to charge them during their lunch break, because battery keeps running out, despite the battery being new.

Re:Not a fanboi, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973579)

Did you buy the cheapest most functional clothes you could for a few cents a pop from singapore? or did you buy from some form of a brand or another, be it upper/middle/lower western scales from a local retailer? I thought so.

No, because they are not sold side-by-side (or in shops next to eachother) locally. I do shop as cheap as i can get away with in no-brand shops, but i will also buy quality if i see it on a good sale (singapore cheap clothes dont usually last that long, something to consider too).

Did you buy the most functional food you could, calculating your exact dietary requirements and buying just what is required by your body? Or did you buy what you like because you enjoy it more? I thought so.

Most people can not look at food and say which is "most functional". Plenty of people do actually calculate their exact dietary requirements.

Did you buy an iPhone/Android/Windows/BlackBerry/FFOS/Tizen/other-brand smart phone, or did you get a plain functional Nokia/Ericsson/Motorolla/whatever cell phone that just dials and texts? I thought so too.

Yes, i have a ~5 year old nokia fliphone (though it does to mms too, but thats rather hard to avoid - i only use it for calls and sms)

This has nothing to do about understanding function over form, this is about human nature, social and cultural constructs, and fashion.

This is the only part we agree on. But you need to "think again" on the others, because you seem to be wrong. Many people choose fashion over function and many others choose function over fashion. sometimes we even do both depending on our disposable cash, mood, or the type of merchandise we are shopping.

Re:Not a fanboi, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973747)

This is the only part we agree on. But you need to "think again" on the others, because you seem to be wrong. Many people choose fashion over function and many others choose function over fashion. sometimes we even do both depending on our disposable cash, mood, or the type of merchandise we are shopping.

Many people choose to watch the mindless twaddle of TV "reality" shows, some people prefer to watch it for the corporate/political brainwashing called "news", etc. Me, I chose to not move to digital cable with 500 channels of crap, nor buy a HDTV - I have an old 19" analog CRT TV that hasn't been turned on in something around 3 years at this point, and don't really miss it at all (I really should toss it up in the attic one of these days, it's just been collecting dust). The few things I watch for entertainment I download online and watch on the computer (on a 19" screen) - I definitely don't need 52" TV's and all that associated crap in my life.

While more and more I see people around me getting sucked into and enslaved in the "matrix" of technology in their ear (bluetooth), or on their face (google glass), or strapped to their hip/in their hand ("smart" phones) 24/7/365, I'm slowly distancing myself from it all - it's really not that important, experiencing nature and the world around me is far more important.

Re:Not a fanboi, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973727)

Did you buy an iPhone/Android/Windows/BlackBerry/FFOS/Tizen/other-brand smart phone, or did you get a plain functional Nokia/Ericsson/Motorolla/whatever cell phone that just dials and texts? I thought so too.

This has nothing to do about understanding function over form, this is about human nature, social and cultural constructs, and fashion.

I have a Nokia flip-phone they don't even make anymore (6102i - with a 800x600 camera I think), dials and texts and not a heck of a lot else (takes pictures if I want). And even that isn't on most of the time - but I have a couple spare ones (bought cheap on ebay after the cat knocked the original off my desk and broke the hinge), and keep several batteries charged up so I have phone when something like Hurricane Sandy comes through and takes out the land-lines.

Although I did buy a used Samsung S2, so I can play around with Android programming and have a real phone to test it on... but, it doesn't actually have a SIM card in it (although I can internet browse via my wireless router). I could pop the SIM from my Nokia in it (tried it, works fine), but I don't really *want* a "smart" phone (funny, most of the people I know with "smart" phones spend most of their day stupidly staring into the phone, texting, etc, rather than actually experiencing the real world around them).

This is comparing Apples with .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973297)

Wait a minute ...

What about Samsung? (5, Informative)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 9 months ago | (#45973313)

Apple apparently sold around 260M devices in 2013.
I can't find a full year for Samsung, but they sold 117M phones in Q3 alone.

Q1: 64M
Q2: 70M
Q3: 117M

That's 251M in just 3 quarters. Phones only, no tablets, no laptops.

Apple sales include Mac, iPods, iPhones and iPads.

Samsung still makes regular cells... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973423)

Just sayin'.

Re:What about Samsung? (-1, Redundant)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 9 months ago | (#45973435)

Apple apparently sold around 260M devices in 2013. I can't find a full year for Samsung, but they sold 117M phones in Q3 alone.

Q1: 64M Q2: 70M Q3: 117M

That's 251M in just 3 quarters. Phones only, no tablets, no laptops.

Apple sales include Mac, iPods, iPhones and iPads.

How many of those samsung phones "shipped" Q3 actually were sold into consumers hands? How many of those Samsung devices "shipped" in Quarter 1 and 2 are in consumers hands right now? We really don't know how many were activated and how many are still in use rather than having been replaced by another device that might or might not be a Samsung. When numbers are reported for Apple devices, those are generally accepted as "sold" into consumers hands and the vast majority of them remain in the hands of those consumers through out at least a year.

Re:What about Samsung? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973441)

I'd like to add here that as the Article is clearly comparing ecosystems, not manufacturers (referring to "windows", etc.), we should actually compare here to Android - or, a bit extending, to whole Linux ecosystem. How many Linux devices were sold in 2013 including all Android phones and desktop/server configurations?
 

Re:What about Samsung? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973477)

If you say Linux, that would also include CromeOS, a lot of other Samsung products (my TV runs Linux), super computers, cars, and an insane number of other products. I think it is sufficient to say that the Android distribution is far more popular than Apple as a company.

Re:What about Samsung? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973635)

Linux being free, old hardware being sold cheap or given away (old being non-new-version-of-windows cabable, so still great HW). Often you see a new windows pc come in, the old pc being retired to a linux pc. but those pcs are still both counted as MS Windows sales (since they originally were) but the linux install is not counted (there was never a sale, so that is technically true too). But the end result is still 50/50 in running OS reality. (50% in my example, I do realise that 100% of old pcs are not reused in the real world, and some do get reused with old windows or other alternative OS too - just adding to my point below)

Comparing Free to For pay will never work. And only people with a hidden agenda will do so (on either side, mind you)

Paging Dr. Mapple (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973317)

Oh, it was DRM Apple... https://defectivebydesign.org/apple [defectivebydesign.org]

Re: Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973383)

I love how that site has exactly four companies listed as using DRM.

in other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973341)

Hot Wheels moved more product than Ford last month. Hot Wheels stocks are spiking, as projections indicate they are on track to be the #1 producer of automobiles by the end of the year.

Apple "devices"? (4, Informative)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 9 months ago | (#45973351)

Apple "devices"? So they're including iPods and phones in this? lol

Apple marketing at its best.

Re:Apple "devices"? (0)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 9 months ago | (#45973439)

Yeah, both the iPod touch and iPhone run iOS just like the iPad and iOS is based on OS X... so... what is your point exactly?

Re:Apple "devices"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973607)

Great, now some genius is going to come and reclaim my work laptop to leave me with just an iPhone. All done under the premise that it "runs iOS which is based on OSX, which makes it a real computing device.". I can't wait for them to port Visio over!

Re:Apple "devices"? (1)

rsmith-mac (639075) | about 9 months ago | (#45973659)

Apple marketing at its best.

Even Apple isn't this stupid. This is an analyst trolling for attention.

lets toss xbox in the mix (4, Insightful)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 9 months ago | (#45973405)

since were comparing the entire apple product line to one of microsofts, I think its only fair to toss in the second most popular MS product line out there and see how those numbers add up

Re:lets toss xbox in the mix (0)

theurge14 (820596) | about 9 months ago | (#45973437)

Are people using their Xboxes as PC replacements?

Re:lets toss xbox in the mix (3, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | about 9 months ago | (#45973463)

Are people using their Xboxes as PC replacements?

Are they using their ipod's and apple TVs as PC replacements?

Re:lets toss xbox in the mix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973479)

There's probably more of that than people using iPods as PC replacements.

Re:lets toss xbox in the mix (1)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 9 months ago | (#45973451)

since were comparing the entire apple product line to one of microsofts, I think its only fair to toss in the second most popular MS product line out there and see how those numbers add up

Does the Xbox have a word processor? A spreadsheet? A presentation creator? Does it have any photo manipulation apps or drawing programs with layers and filters? Are there any movie editors, effects composition apps? Does it have any music creation software available for it?

Re:lets toss xbox in the mix (5, Funny)

kamapuaa (555446) | about 9 months ago | (#45973495)

Yes!

--

Sent from my XBox360

Windows 8 has bombed for business users. (4, Insightful)

warewolfsmith (196722) | about 9 months ago | (#45973447)

Loads of reviews have been written about Windows 8. Some loved it. Some hated it. But they all say the same thing: Windows 8 will require a major retraining for Windows users and there doesn't seem to be some great big advantage for all the relearning, particularly for business users. If Windows 9 retains the Metro interface then Microsoft really is doomed.

Re:Windows 8 has bombed for business users. (1)

ATMAvatar (648864) | about 9 months ago | (#45973507)

If you run it in desktop mode, there's very little re-training to do. The only significant difference is that it has a start screen rather than a menu. The lack of a menu hierarchy is a bit jarring to those who relied upon it, but the searching works just fine, and you can still pin important items to the task bar. I have run 8.1 at work since my workstation upgrade a month or so ago, and I have very few complaints.

Re:Windows 8 has bombed for business users. (2)

socode (703891) | about 9 months ago | (#45973605)

> I have very few complaints.
Couldn't find your email program, huh?

Windows has lost what made it a need. (0)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | about 9 months ago | (#45973465)

DOS ran Doom, Mac and Amiga didn't.
DOS ran Warcraft, and Rise of the Triad, and Jazz Jackrabbit, and Hexen, and Wing Commander.
DOS ran Quake, and Elder Scrolls Dagger Fall

All these things were of the caliber that made you want a DOS Machine

Windows 95:
Gave us Starcraft, and Soul Trap, and Mechwarrior 2,
Gave us easy Access to the Internet. (compared to DOS at the time where it was possible)

Windows 8:
Gives us Lock down and stores, our games don't run, and our computers run slow. We are constantly bombarded by Security holes, spam, and incompatible sites. We are hamstrung by Corporate sponsored computer Viruses called DRM that make it so our machines don't function the way they should. Because Companies want to abuse us, rob us blind.

iPads:
Are Non-PCs that exist on completely on a jailed walled garden environment, easy to use, but seen as an "Internet Toy" by the Masses.

Android Pads: Only marginally more open than iPad. (and that varies by provider.)

The point is this:Windows sold well because we had to have it to play the games that Consoles couldn't.
Windows sold well later because the Internet and Corporate Communication practically required it.

Now, Windows doesn't run the games we want. Linux and Wine can in some cases run games that (Modern) Windows can't. Windows isn't required for communication and connectivity.

Re:Windows has lost what made it a need. (1)

GrahamCox (741991) | about 9 months ago | (#45973567)

DOS ran Doom, Mac and Amiga didn't.

Fell at the first hurdle, so no need to really bother with the rest. Seeing the world through the prism of gaming, it's hardly a surprise that you don't have a clue about how the real world works.

Re:WIN MAC LINUX BSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973735)

Upgrade to the LATEST Windows OS because it is "secure"...

Android numbers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973493)

The install base of "Android" is artificially large, because it's on all sorts of devices that you can't get iOS or Windows on. Those "mini PC android stick" devices, for instance. I would be keen to see the worldwide install base for, say, smartphones that retailed for $700+. I think it would be pretty even.

Re:Android numbers (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973573)

Sigh....Google only counts Google certified Android devices (they're the ones that have the Play store and Google apps, you know). Google doesn't even count those Chinese smartphones, tablets or gadgets.

Re: Android numbers (1)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about 9 months ago | (#45973683)

So Apple don't count Apple TV in that?

Can't compare #s per household either... (1)

HockeyPuck (141947) | about 9 months ago | (#45973527)

I have a phone.
My wife has a phone.
Our son has a phone.

My family then has one computer with three accounts on it.

Sure there are families with multiple computers and one phone, but I doubt that one phone is passed around each day to a different family member. A mobile phone isn't consumed like it was a mobile version of a land line (one line per household).

So instead of selling one device per household with a computer, you sell one device per member of household. A much larger addressable market.

Re:Can't compare #s per household either... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973753)

on the other hand I personally have one computer (W7) and one laptop (debian) in continuous use at home, plus two old laptops in reserve for gaming and one old PC I couldn't get myself to throw it out yet. And one landline phone plus one cellular (non-smart).
My parents both have a laptop plus at least two older PCs - and only a (non-smart) cellular phone each.

You can't simply set yourself as the rest of the world and count from that.

Johnson et al (1)

jupsis (797996) | about 9 months ago | (#45973535)

Companies such as Johnson & Johnson and Nestle are also missing from this comparison. Will Apple be in parity with Smarties and/or Imodium soon?

I really wanted to move to iOS (1)

aiadot (3055455) | about 9 months ago | (#45973599)

I got a Macbook pro retina, enjoying OS X in a nice hardware package. I also enjoy my xperia phone, but with all the crap that google has been pulling recently and the fact sony doesn't have the balls to make their own OS(I really like the xperia hardware), I contemplated moving to the iPhone. But that irongrip Appstore and platform coupled design decisions I can't stand really scare me away from the device. Apple, allow me to use 3rd party app stores, give me a decent built in file manager, give me something like AirDroid(and not iTunes), allow script languages, and let me customize the "desktop"(widgets, no Win95 like icon grid), and I will become a full fledged Apple fanboy and shower you with money.

"Devices" != PCs (1)

barc0001 (173002) | about 9 months ago | (#45973603)

Really? We're equating phones, ipods and tablets to PCs now? Walk into an office with an iPad and tell your boss you don't need a computer any more. See how far that gets you. By the same token, there are more bikes than cars, I guess Detroit better hang it up and call the liquidators, bikes won.

"devices" aren't even in the same area code as PCs and laptops, capability and *usability* wise. Trying to equate one to the other is ludicrous. One observation that stuck with me about tablets vs computers is that someone remarked "Tablets are information and media consumption devices, while computers are information and media creation devices". And it's true. I have a tablet. I love my tablet. It's great for looking shit up or watching a video in bed or or reading email on the train on the way to work. But if I have to type a paragraph on the thing I want to hurl it down the hallway by the time I finish. And if someone told me I HAD to do my job on it, I'd put it on the desk, walk out and become a farmer, garbageman, mechanic, or anything else that wouldn't force me to use a tablet to do tech work.

Re:"Devices" != PCs (1)

letherial (1302031) | about 9 months ago | (#45973715)

I was working on roughly the same comment...you just point out the stupidity of this article far more efficiently then i did, so ill comment here instead.

My analogy was that they sold more fries then oranges so clearly oranges must suck.

Re:"Devices" != PCs (3, Insightful)

Bert64 (520050) | about 9 months ago | (#45973719)

Yes, because a lot of PC users do nothing more than facebook and email... Many people bought them simply because they were the only or cheapest way to access the limited functions of the internet that they make use of.
But for these people an ipad is actually a far superior device, they don't have to worry about malware infections or having to manually update a bunch of different software, or maintaining a software firewall, or running av scans, or any of that junk.
PCs were never "ready for the desktop", they were used because there was no better alternative. Now that better alternatives are available, users are using them.

Opinions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#45973681)

Opinions are like arseholes... Everyone's got one...

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