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200 Dolphins Await Slaughter In Japan's Taiji Cove

samzenpus posted about 3 months ago | from the but-we've-always-stabbed-them dept.

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Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "CNN reports that more than 200 bottlenose dolphins remain penned in a cove by Japanese fishermen, many of them stressed and bloodied from their attempts to escape before fishermen start to slaughter them for meat. Until now, the fishermen have focused on selecting dolphins to be sold into captivity at marine parks and aquariums in Japan and overseas as twenty-five dolphins, including a rare albino calf, were taken on Saturday 'to a lifetime of imprisonment,' and another 12 on Sunday. 'Many of the 200+ Bottlenose dolphins who are in still the cove are visibly bloody & injured from their attempts to escape the killers,' one update says. Although the hunting of dolphins is widely condemned in the west, Japanese defend the practice as a local custom — and say it is no different to the slaughter of other animals for meat. The Wakayama Prefecture, where Taiji is located condemns the criticism as biased and unfair to the fishermen. 'Taiji dolphin fishermen are just conducting a legal fishing activity in their traditional way in full accordance with regulations and rules under the supervision of both the national and the prefectural governments. Therefore, we believe there are no reasons to criticize the Taiji dolphin fishery.' Meanwhile the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society describes how about 40 to 60 local fishermen work with nets to divide up the pod, whose initial numbers were estimated by the group at more than 250. 'They tighten up the nets to bring each sub-group together then the skiffs push them toward the tarps. Under the tarps in the shallows is where the trainers work with the killers to select the "prettiest" dolphins which will sell and make the best pay day for the hunters,' the group says. The fishermen will 'kill the "undesirable" dolphins (those with nicks and scars) under the tarps to hide from our cameras when that time comes.'"

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That doesn't seem right. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016265)

Dolphins are intelligent, they'll figure a way out of this.

Re:That doesn't seem right. (1)

NMBob (772954) | about 3 months ago | (#46016429)

You would think, by now, they would already know to stay away, or go pick up some mines from the Navy and sink a few fishing boats. Maybe it's that 'no opposable thumb/no written history' thing to pass the info along to the next generation.

Re:That doesn't seem right. (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 3 months ago | (#46016699)

They may not have written history, but they certainly pass skills on from generation to generation.

They could hunt people if they wanted. But other than the occasional long imprisoned orca that goes mad and drowns a captor, they much prefer to make friends.

Re:That doesn't seem right. (-1, Flamebait)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 3 months ago | (#46016477)

Dolphins are intelligent, they'll figure a way out of this.

A fat lot of good did that to the Jews in Auschwitz.

Re:That doesn't seem right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016637)

So what you're saying is that Dolphins are also intelligent or that the Jews are not intelligent?

Re:That doesn't seem right. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016677)

He's saying that you're not intelligent.

Re:That doesn't seem right. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016595)

I don't condone this behaviour, but the logic behind killing the dolphins compared to killing other animals is sound. Personally, I am against the killing of any animal, but it certainly is hypocrisy if the people complaining participate or contribute in any way to the slaughter of any other animals. Creating arbitrary lines is ridiculous. You either support animal murder or you oppose it.

Re:That doesn't seem right. (5, Insightful)

twocows (1216842) | about 3 months ago | (#46016645)

Uh, creating lines based on a standard of intelligence is not arbitrary at all. And nobody "supports" animal "murder" (you may want to look up the definition of that word). They tolerate it as a means toward living a convenient life. I tolerate this practice as well, but I do not tolerate killing dolphins because there is significant research to suggest that they either possess an intelligence similar to ours or are approaching it. That is something that, to my knowledge, does not exist with any other species.

Re:That doesn't seem right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016709)

Creating lines based on intelligence is the epitome of arbitrary. Anyone who supports the killing of animals supports muder. If someone were to kill you for food, even if they were genuinely starving, you can bet that person would be considered a murderer, despite the fact that you are an animal like any other.

You are a hypocrite, just admit it.

Re:That doesn't seem right. (5, Interesting)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 3 months ago | (#46016769)

It's tempting to think that. But the top 3 animals for intelligence after man are the dolphin, the chimp and the pig, with the exact order open to debate. Yet people are quite happy to kill and eat pigs.

Cats and dogs are much lower on the intelligence scale, but most cultures find it unacceptable to kill them for sport or food.

Don't get me wrong, I'm completely against killing dolphins too.

But the list of what animals we will kill for what purposes is somewhat arbitrary.

Everyone creates arbitrary lines (5, Insightful)

vistic (556838) | about 3 months ago | (#46016687)

Vegetarianism is about the minimization of cruelty and suffering.

Plant life does not factor into it because they can not suffer. They can’t suffer because they have no nervous system with which to think. They also have no physical mechanisms with which to feel pain. And even if they did, they have no thoughts, so the pain would mean nothing. They have no fear, panic, or sadness. They live, but they live without consciousness. So you can not torture a plant or make it suffer.

On the animal spectrum, not all animals are the same since some animals have small brains and simple thoughts and other animals have complex brains and complex thoughts. At the top of the animal spectrum you have humans with the most complex brains and abstract thoughts and intense sensations of fear. Humans have a high capacity to suffer. On the other end of the spectrum you have animals like spiders with comparatively simple nervous systems and simple thoughts. They have a much smaller capacity to suffer. That’s why it would feel more painful to watch someone rip the legs off a spider than watch someone rip the legs off a cat or horse or chimpanzee. So there’s a spectrum of animals ordered by how self-aware they are and how complex their thinking is: spiders, fish, chickens, ravens, octopus, cats, dogs, pigs, cows, horses, dolphins, gorillas, chimpanzees, humans... roughly something like that. Everyone draws a line on the spectrum, whether consciously or unconsciously, what they are comfortable with. Some people are fine eating fish and chicken, but not pigs and cows. Other people are fine eating pigs and cows, but not chimpanzees, who are almost human. Some people are even fine eating chimpanzees and feel no empathy when they shout and panic. Almost everyone at least agrees that it’s not ok to eat humans. But some people even do that. A vegetarian draws the line at it being not ok to eat any animal.

Some people argue that oysters, despite being animals, are vegetarian. They aren’t, by definition of the word vegetarian, but it is true that the argument for plants applies to oysters. Oysters do not have a central nervous system, no consciousness, and no thoughts. So they can not suffer.

Not all vegetarians are vegetarian for the same reasons. Some people have a spiritual belief that all life is sacred and equal, but that’s not my belief and not something that’s supported by any facts I’ve seen. What I outlined above, though, is simple fact and simple reasoning.

Re:Everyone creates arbitrary lines (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016761)

Plants don't necessarily have to die in order for animals, including humans, to eat from them. For example, I can pick an apple without killing the apple tree.

I personally do not eat or use any animal products. In my view it would be immoral to do so.

Dolphins not so smart: (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016673)

Dolphins aren’t as special as you think [salon.com]

Their intelligence, like all intelligence, is a complex matter, but basically, they are not as smart as their reputation suggests; although, stating that they are as smart (dumb) as chickens also overstates things.

Nice subjectivity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016283)

Not a biased piece at all. Never would have thought so with ''slaughter'' in the headline /s

Re:Nice subjectivity (5, Insightful)

Parafilmus (107866) | about 3 months ago | (#46016417)

Not a biased piece at all. Never would have thought so with ''slaughter'' in the headline /s

I don't see evidence of bias in the word choice. "Slaughter" is the normal English word to describe the killing of animals for food. Pigs and cows are "slaughtered" routinely, in buildings clearly labelled as "slaughterhouses."

What other word would you have them use?

Re:Nice subjectivity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016527)

What other word would you have them use?

Dolphin tissue re-porpoising centers?

Cetacean organ donation facilities?

Re:Nice subjectivity (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016623)

"200 yummy dolphins await being turned into delicious food"

Re:Nice subjectivity (2)

bob_super (3391281) | about 3 months ago | (#46016685)

Japanese scientists still trying to assess whether every sea creature can be turned into sashimi.

Re:Nice subjectivity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016723)

Slaughter implies butchering and the headline makes it sound as if the animals were to be butchered in the cove. The summary makes it perfectly clear that a portion of the 200 dolphins will be sold in living state to be displayed or slaughtered elsewhere. Slaughtering in the cove sounds unsanitary.

Also, this seems like the typical article that will be published in non-technical news. The article itself is very light on information that one usually associates with slashdot except for the mentioning of tarp and net usage.

Biased or not, it seems a bit random to post it on slashdot.

Re:Nice subjectivity (1)

Aighearach (97333) | about 3 months ago | (#46016517)

If you see the horror of slaughter, then perhaps you are closer than you realize to seeing that we should only slaughter other animals when we must, and not casually. There are too many humans for that, we will slaughter the whole world.

Re:Nice subjectivity (1, Troll)

lgw (121541) | about 3 months ago | (#46016519)

More importantly for /. how is this news for nerds? Is Dice this intent on turning Slashdot into a political discussion site for people who "like technology"?

Slashdot doesn't really have "glory days", but I'd prefer the goatse trolls and page wideners and GNAA trolls of old - all of whom could at least be modded down - to blatant click-trolling in the story submissions.

Re:Nice subjectivity (1)

Delarth799 (1839672) | about 3 months ago | (#46016717)

Perhaps we should be able to use mod points on stories so that way the political discussion pieces like this can be modded down and away.

Re:Nice subjectivity (2)

Iskender (1040286) | about 3 months ago | (#46016649)

Not a biased piece at all. Never would have thought so with ''slaughter'' in the headline /s

Without commenting on the bias, what word should they use? (I'm assuming that's /sarcasm at the end there)

The dolphins will be killed for meat. The word for killing animals for food is "slaughter". In fact, using that word makes it very clear that they are just animals: the reason it's a strong word when used about human violence is that its meaning then becomes "killed like mere animals".

Re:Nice subjectivity (1)

MrBigInThePants (624986) | about 3 months ago | (#46016727)

"200 mercury powered dolphins about to launch a devastating suicide poison attack on unsuspecting pig-like human hybrids"

(I apologise to porcines everywhere for that joke)

Is this a cuteness thing? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016289)

Yes, dolphins are cuter than cows and pigs ... is harvesting one worse than the other?

How many million cows are slaughtered every year? How many pigs? How many chickens?

This sounds like one set of animals has better PR than another.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (4, Insightful)

The Living Fractal (162153) | about 3 months ago | (#46016329)

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a dolphin is demonstrably smarter than a chicken and because of that people feel it is more likely to experience pain and suffering during this "fishing".

Not a personal opinion of mine, just one hypothesis for the reaction.

Re: Is this a cuteness thing? (4, Insightful)

rilister (316428) | about 3 months ago | (#46016377)

Funny that you chose chickens out of that list. How about pigs? Pretty well known to be one of the smarter mammals around. At least, they've never launched a pointless war to my knowledge.

Re: Is this a cuteness thing? (2, Funny)

rogoshen1 (2922505) | about 3 months ago | (#46016473)

You should go read Orwell's seminal masterwork of the lead-up to the great porcine war -- ignoring the cloyingly cutesy name: "Animal Farm".

Re: Is this a cuteness thing? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016607)

Pigs aren't exactly peaceful animals. Lack of pointless war is because they don't have recognized nation-states, not because they aren't violent.

Re: Is this a cuteness thing? (2)

Aighearach (97333) | about 3 months ago | (#46016667)

Wild pigs are in an eternal state of war, if you see one make sure you know where the nearest tree is!

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (3, Interesting)

Wycliffe (116160) | about 3 months ago | (#46016569)

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that a dolphin is demonstrably smarter than a chicken and because of that people feel it is more likely to experience pain and suffering during this "fishing".
Not a personal opinion of mine, just one hypothesis for the reaction.

I noticed that out of the 3 choices you picked the chicken. The "demonstrably smarter" doesn't really hold very well when
you compare dolphin to pig instead. A pig is right up there probably falling somewhere above dog and below dolphin.
I like pork but I still think it is an important debate. Would farm-raised dolphins be acceptable? If not, why not?
Why is eating dogs and horses frowned upon in alot of areas? Should we let animals live out their natural lives in
comfort before harvesting them? What criteria do we as a society use to decide what should and should not be be eaten
and when and how it is humane to harvest it?

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (1, Offtopic)

TemperedAlchemist (2045966) | about 3 months ago | (#46016759)

Dolphins make pigs look like drooling idiots. They're more than just an intelligent animal the same way someone talks about their dog being able to learn tricks. They're the second most intelligent species on the planet, fully capable of empathy, incredible memory, and self awareness.

We're not talking about cattle which can't even remember which patch of grass they were munching on one minute previous. These are creatures that are fully capable of experiencing the psychological trauma being inflicted upon them.

But never mind that. If we're going to justify this to animals, I can only begin to imagine what intelligent aliens might do to us -- or perhaps worse, think of us. And we're so presumptuous to say we come in peace.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (1, Insightful)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about 3 months ago | (#46016363)

Yeah, no. I'm a carnivore but there should be a line somewhere in terms of intelligence. All signs point to Dolphins certainly being beyond that point. Furthermore, last time I checked pigs and chickens aren't at any risk of being endangered or extinct.

What next, are you going to go out and shoot/eat a bald Eagle because your neighbor has some chickens? "Turr, same thing, durrr!" - use that line on them when the feds come for you.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016451)

Pigs and chickens aren't going extinct precisely because we like to eat them.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016491)

As a species the bottlenose dolphin is not endangered. There are well over half a million bottlenose dolphins swimming all over the world, and their population numbers ARE stable.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about 3 months ago | (#46016581)

They are classified as at risk. And why _exactly_ do you think they _aren't_ endangered? It's not because we declared a free for all on dolphin fishing.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (5, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 3 months ago | (#46016511)

Yeah, no. I'm a carnivore but there should be a line somewhere in terms of intelligence.

Careful with that. You don't want to end up with Sarah Palin on your plate just because of some arbitrarily low line.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016541)

Bottlenose dolphins "have a stable future" as far as numbers and adaptability are concerned, but they are seen as "cute and harmless" so having dolphin tacos is similar to having emperor penguin omelets -- provocative but not necessarily evil.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (5, Informative)

meerling (1487879) | about 3 months ago | (#46016691)

There is a distinct possibility that dolphins are not just smart animals, but actually sentient beings.
Why can't we communicate with them? We can, just not very effectively. That's understandable, they are more alien to us than the average hollywood extraterrestrial. Just look at the environment they are evolved for, living in water their entire life, relying on sonar, having to return to the air layer on a regular basis. Decidedly not the same as a terrestrial life.

And here's a biggie for you. They've been trying to decipher the dolphin language for a long time. They don't know much about it, but they have found out some very interesting things. Dolphins share knowledge and instructions. They also gossip. Of course, to gossip you need individual names to reference the individual you are talking about. They do. They've clearly tracked unique sound identifiers that are apparently being used with regards to specific individuals, in other words, personal names.
When was the last time you heard about pigs sharing instructions verbally or using personal names?

Is it right to eat another sentient being? Most people would say no.
It's part of the reason why they wanted to study E.T. and not BBQ him.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016373)

Yes, dolphins are cuter than cows and pigs ... is harvesting one worse than the other?

Yes, because dolphins are "smart", you see.

Sure, ask any pig farmer, and you'll find out that your source of bacon is pretty goddamned smart as well, but hey, nobody wants to save the pigs.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016409)

Once they start to domesticate them, then there will not be an issue with wild populations. Such animals have a hard enough time surviving that they don't need to be hunted on top of their normal lives.

I haven't heard of a porpoise dish before. I don't doubt they exist, but it certainly can't be a big market. Could take the other approach. Instead of "infringing" on their rights to hunt, just make it so they have no one to sell to, or at least no one to sell the meat to.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016415)

Yeah, anything that has more perceived intelligence or rarity has that trait. Can't herd gorillas, chimps, dolphins, elephants or humans for slaughter.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016431)

Yes, dolphins are cuter than cows and pigs ... is harvesting one worse than the other?

How many million cows are slaughtered every year? How many pigs? How many chickens?

This sounds like one set of animals has better PR than another.

Chickens and cows aren't endangered species.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (1)

clickclickdrone (964164) | about 3 months ago | (#46016489)

>Chickens and cows aren't endangered species.
You haven't seen me go at a Combo Bargain bucket after a few beers.

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016503)

Neither is the Bottlenose Dolphin

Re:Is this a cuteness thing? (1, Insightful)

Aighearach (97333) | about 3 months ago | (#46016643)

Yes, dolphins are much smarter than cows or pigs. They have advanced abstract thinking, language skills, and social structure. They also share a reciprocal recognition of intelligence with humans, and come to visit and view humans in boats or on beaches in a similar way to how humans will be excited to see a dolphin.

A dolphin might even save you from a shark, is a wild pig going to save you from anything? Is a wild pig going to look you in the eye, recognize your intelligence, and respect you? What about an aurochs?

Why is this even on /.? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016293)

Really, this isn't the news I would expect for this site.

Re:Why is this even on /.? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016563)

Because it gets pageviews. The nerds see anything related to animals, and their blood pressure goes up. They become furious, screaming and whining about "Environmentalists!!!11" and "Animal rights activists!1!11!" and that leads to more and more angry posts, and more revenue for Dice.com. A lot of Slashdotters are very easily manipulated.

News for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016297)

Don't really give a shit. How is this tech worthy?

Re:News for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016435)

Because some of us have quite a bit of humanity in us and find the idea of highly intelligent, thinking, creatures been killed like this repugnant.

However if you want a /. angle, try "Darwin speak!".

(Can't believe that's 20 years old.)

Re:News for? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016573)

Unlike say cows or chickens, which are killed by the millions daily for food? Pretty sure they "think" too. I guess they just weren't smart enough to swim away from that net? Cute or not, your fellow humans in Japan would like to eat, and your kids want to go "oohhh and ahhh" at Sea World shows. The scraps your fellow humans don't eat will most likely end up as cat food. Life goes on, or not, depending where you are on the food chain.

The Bowhead Whale slaughter in Alaska is worse (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016305)

It is always easier to criticize another country's slaughter of marine mammals than your own. Bowheads are critically endangered, yet they are still hunted is no fanfare.

Re: The Bowhead Whale slaughter in Alaska is worse (1)

Colin Castro (2881349) | about 3 months ago | (#46016531)

The bowhead is not endangered. It is endangered in certain areas but the overall numbers are fine.

you can stay at hotel in s.f. for 0.10 btc (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016309)

if you feel security is important,,, try POT (Personal Open Terminal) leaving no question as to who & how we share our connections etc.... with. never a better time to consider ourselves in relation to creation just like the fishes we are

Perspectives... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016319)

On average, about 8000 children die every day because they do not have enough to eat.
But that's not news.

Why am I supposed to care about 200 dolphins?

Re: Perspectives... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016361)

oddly enough *0.0* japanese children die of starvation, the ethiopian dolphin is safe for now.

Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016321)

This is the type of life that CONservatives want for all animals.

Re:Sigh (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 3 months ago | (#46016487)

While the liberals tend to live in a fantasy world where nature is paradise and every animal yearns to live free.

Liberals, conservatives... those who pick a side on such simplistic classification may not be the brightest of individuals.

Re:Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016577)

Especially you!

Re: Sigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016739)

Honey, is that you?

Cute and friendly animals (0, Flamebait)

benjfowler (239527) | about 3 months ago | (#46016333)

Of _course_ it's clickbait. Dolphins are cute and friendly.

Now if they were sharks or snakes, nobody would care, and we wouldn't be reading about it, regardless of their ecological importance.

Just another case of dumb, hyper-emotional people getting upset and attention-whoring. Nothing really to see here.

Re:Cute and friendly animals (1)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | about 3 months ago | (#46016395)

Laughable bullshit, trite and untrue. You don't think people campaign to protect endangered sharks or snakes?

Re:Cute and friendly animals (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 3 months ago | (#46016497)

Yes, but not *nearly* so much. Why do you think the mascot for all endangered animals is the panda? It's cute.

Re:Cute and friendly animals (0)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about 3 months ago | (#46016401)

Just another case of dumb, hyper-emotional people getting upset and attention-whoring. Nothing really to see here.

Welcome to Slashdot. Please check your logic at the door, and remember that the robotic overlords have requested that you please keep your mind closed for the duration of your visit. In case of emergency, the hivemind will be available to give you further instruction.

Might be tasty!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016345)

I've never had dolphin meat. Can anyone here enlighten me about the taste of it? Does it taste like other fish?

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016357)

Millions of cows and pigs live happy happy rainbow lives in the west~~~

Why is this on Slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016369)

Why is this on Slashdot?
Where is the tech angle?

Any suggestions of sites that serve content as Slashdot used to do 10 years ago?

Re:Why is this on Slashdot? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 3 months ago | (#46016641)

Have your towel with you? Those will say so long, would not thank for anything, and won't be around the next time you need them.

Nice to be at the top of the food chain (4, Insightful)

sideslash (1865434) | about 3 months ago | (#46016379)

Cows and especially pigs are highly intelligent animals. And they are totally delicious. Let's change our minds about those before we beat up the Japanese too badly, shall we?

Re:Nice to be at the top of the food chain (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 3 months ago | (#46016549)

I'm not so sure about cows. They may be highly intelligent, but they don't show it - they have been selectively bred to be quite passive and docile, for easier handling. Content to just stand around in a field, eating grass and remaining quite unresponsive to the world.

Re:Nice to be at the top of the food chain (3, Interesting)

sideslash (1865434) | about 3 months ago | (#46016651)

I would suggest that you are mistaken about cows. (I grew up on a farm and live in farm country.) When cows are very old or sick or are in a small pen, they just stand around, because they don't have much choice. But when they are young and have access to wider pasture, they wander around and explore their world. It's true they spend a bunch of time grazing, but they also don't miss a chance to ogle anything unusual. For example, a turtle walking through a cow field will often capture the attention of the herd, which will follow it (cautiously, it might be dangerous!) on its way through.

Re:Nice to be at the top of the food chain (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016591)

The Japanese just need to domesticate dophin to point pigs and cows have been so that they behave in a more civil manner before slaughter.

Re:Nice to be at the top of the food chain (0)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | about 3 months ago | (#46016609)

Cows and especially pigs are highly intelligent animals. And they are totally delicious. Let's change our minds about those before we beat up the Japanese too badly, shall we?

Pigs are definitely highly intelligent. As clean, smart, and affectionate as dogs, by all accounts.

Wild animals in the food chain don't have much of a choice as to how they survive. Humans, on the other hand, do. We have reached a point where we no longer need to eat meat, plus it has a ton of other disadvantages (inefficient and expensive use of energy, it's better to get it direct from the plant, hygiene and safety issues, etc.). If we have the option of getting by without having to torture and murder animals, we should take that option if we want to be considered civilized.

Re:Nice to be at the top of the food chain (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016615)

Some of us already have. What's your excuse?

Re:Nice to be at the top of the food chain (1)

sideslash (1865434) | about 3 months ago | (#46016669)

Maybe I'm a herd animal. :) Not enough people have changed their minds yet for me to follow.

Re:Nice to be at the top of the food chain (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016741)

I'm a herd animal. :) Not enough smart enough to make up my own mind.
 
FTFY

Re:Nice to be at the top of the food chain (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 3 months ago | (#46016671)

Cows and especially pigs are highly intelligent animals.

Pigs, yes. Cows, no.

But really, the discussion of the morality of eating animals is a slippery slope to veganism. If you like flesh for dinner, you just have to get over it. Obviously (for Westerners, at least), primates are out. But there's a long distance between primates and cows. And I wonder why it's OK to eat pork but not dolphin, pigs are possibly the smartest "farm animal", known to be quite intelligent.

By the way, horse meat is delicious. In the 70's, due to certain economic factors effecting feed prices, beef became very expensive. Around Portland, where I grew up, there were several butcher shops (a type of business that has become near extinct) that sold various cuts of horse steaks "for your pets", that's not what most people bought these steaks for.

Maybe I'm just immoral, but I'll a slab of venison, beef, or horse any day. Any day and any time is a good day and time to fire up the grill.

I don't get it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016381)

What is the outrage? This species of dolphin is not at all endangered. It's perfectly acceptable meat.

So? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016385)

This just sounds like one big emotional summary about fishing. Heavily one-sided as well, which doesn't surprise me considering it's Sea Shepard.

Cry me a river.

It's murder (0, Flamebait)

Brian Leahy (3506831) | about 3 months ago | (#46016481)

Tradition is not a defense. Not even partial. If their traditional vocation were rounding up people and carving them up to sell their organs, then their tradition would be one the world would rightly seek to eradicate. This is morally equivalent, and I don't give a crap whether anyone agrees.

Re:It's murder (1)

Spy Handler (822350) | about 3 months ago | (#46016617)

Definition of murder is killing another of the same species. Since dolphins are not human, it's not murder if a human does it.

Summary didn't say whether bottlenose dolphins are rare or endangered. If they are, they should be protected from fishermen. Otherwise I don't see a problem with harvesting a small percentage for their meat.

2 wrongs... (-1, Flamebait)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | about 3 months ago | (#46016493)

Japanese defend the practice as a local custom — and say it is no different to the slaughter of other animals for meat.

Spoken as if it's okay to kill those animals too.

It wasn't so long ago that we cleaned chimneys by sending little boys to climb up and clean them from the inside. It wasn't so long ago that the poor were warehoused in workhouses in horrific conditions. It wasn't so long ago that slavery was widespread and legal in America. We don't do these things anymore because we tend towards building a better society. Our morals evolve.

In one hundred years we'll look back at the practice of eating meat with the same horror that we look upon slavery now.

Re:2 wrongs... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016679)

Please never compare slavery and eating meat. As a black male, I find that repulsive and hyperbolic.

Re:2 wrongs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016765)

There's as good a chance of looking back at vegetarians and vegans as misinformed religious zealots. Slavery is still alive and well in some African countries

this is just sick!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016525)

All I have to say about this is these Japs are fucking retards! Daulphins are smarter than most humans out there for one thing. And yes we do kill cows, pigs, chicken, But we dont terrorize them for days on end before doing so. (If some of them do then shame on those fucking morons to)

exactly (1)

beefoot (2250164) | about 3 months ago | (#46016537)

Like others had said, we kill millions of animals every single day in the name of foods, etc. I don't see this as any worse or any better than slaughter houses killing farm animals. Perhaps the only slight difference is these dolphins are in the wild. It is the same as "fishermen" in Canada killing baby seals, "fishermen" in Finland killing whales, etc. What should we do though as a consumer? Vote with your money/pocket! What should we do as a human being? ...

click-bait? (5, Insightful)

markhahn (122033) | about 3 months ago | (#46016555)

No, this is not clickbait.

Normal, mentally-healthy humans have a lot of empathy - otherwise we're psychopaths. Sure, the amount of empathy varies - mainly as a function of whether the animal in question tends to act human-like. We should embrace this, not cynically write it off - empathy *IS* humanity.

Yes, that also means that anyone who is intelligent and reflective will be uncomfortable with eating meat, concerned how the animal died, and of course what kind of animal it was. This is basically orthogonal to issues of environmental or ecological impact.

Re:click-bait? (4, Insightful)

spire3661 (1038968) | about 3 months ago | (#46016701)

"Yes, that also means that anyone who is intelligent and reflective will be uncomfortable with eating meat"

Empathy clashes with survivalist instinct. I can gnaw on the bones of a cow and feel empathy for it, but that doesn't mean im going to stop eating meat. At the base level, our brains see nothing wrong with killing these animals for food. We are the stronger species, we win. Empathy is evolutionarily expensive.

Nothing like some tech news! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016571)

How does this matter to a nerd? Will it affect the release of a stable btrfs?

Local customs can change. (1, Insightful)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about 3 months ago | (#46016633)

Although the hunting of dolphins is widely condemned in the west, Japanese defend the practice as a local custom ...

You know, back in the 1940s, it was local US custom to intern Japanese Americans [wikipedia.org] . Apparently, we don't do that any more...

... and say it is no different to the slaughter of other animals for meat.

Some would argue that killing dolphins (and whales) is more akin to killing humans [ or at least chimps - or Republicans (kidding, Kidding - geesh) ] than other animals killed for their meat, due to their high intelligence. For example, Dolphins don't build nuclear reactors in earthquake and/or tsunami zones.

Does one eat rice or noodle with dolphin? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46016751)

Perhaps a better slashdot article would be where to find dolphin recipe's?

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