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Schiller Says Apple Is the Last PC Maker From the Mac Era, Forgets About HP

timothy posted about 6 months ago | from the I-feel-happy-I-feel-happy dept.

Desktops (Apple) 474

An anonymous reader writes "Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing, recently claimed that Apple is the only computer company left from the early days of the Mac. Unfortunately for him, HP still exists. "Every company that made computers when we started the Mac, they're all gone," Schiller told Macworld in an interview on Apple's Cupertino campus. 'We're the only one left.' I'm sorry Apple, but when exactly did HP declare bankruptcy? We contacted an HP spokesperson for a statement on Apple's ridiculous claim and were pointed to its timeline history page."

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474 comments

Oh (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067565)

Wow, he really must be the spawn of satan. How dare he make a mistake. We must hate on Apple as hard as we can.

Re:Oh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067875)

Oh look the neckbeard faggots modded you down - how surprising.

Re:Oh (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068163)

He didn't make a mistake, he knowingly made a false statement in order to posture Apple above other computer makers. It is not possible for anyone that has anything to do with the computer industry in a professional capacity to "forget" about IBM, HP, Dell, Acer, NEC, Sony, Cray, Fujitsu, etc. who all made computers from before or since the Mac to current day.

Re:Oh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068269)

OMG! Some VIP gave a false statement on a corporate press event. Is there a front page post on /. every time that happens?

And IBM (1)

MWagman (2882459) | about 6 months ago | (#46067585)

Isn't IBM still around

Re:And IBM (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067617)

Nope. IBM sold their PC division to Lenovo about a decade ago.

Re:And IBM (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068245)

"Every company that made computers when we started the Mac, they're all gone,"

IBM still makes computers.

Re:And IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067647)

They sold out the PC business to Lenovo. They lost their chance to count.

Re:And IBM (4, Insightful)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about 6 months ago | (#46067717)

I still count IBM. I believe that quite was, "Every company that made computers when we started the Mac, they're all gone."

IBM is still around. Maybe they sold their business, but the company is still around and the business they sold to Lenovo is still going strong.
Likewise for HP, Dell, hell even Atari are still around. Sure their businesses have changed, but so did Apple's. Mac has far less mindshare than iPhone and iTunes these days.

Re:And IBM (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about 6 months ago | (#46067719)

s/quite/quote/

Re:And IBM (1)

RevWaldo (1186281) | about 6 months ago | (#46067839)

I forget where I read the quote, but at one point when Atari changed hands (probably when Hasbro bought the brand) the company wasn't much more than "a crate full of documents".

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Re:And IBM (1)

GiantRobotMonster (1159813) | about 6 months ago | (#46067871)

Yep, Sadly the current Atari is simply Infogrames rebadged.
Infogrames bought the name, trademarks, and other IP.

Re:And IBM (1)

horm (2802801) | about 6 months ago | (#46067863)

The Atari now is Atari in name only. The name has been owned by several different companies in the past couple decades.

Re:And IBM (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067897)

However wrong Schiller is, you're interpreting the meaning quite differently than intended or than any reasonable person would take it. IBM doesn't make personal computers, therefore they're no longer a maker of personal computers that were around when Apple started the Mac.
 
And saying Atari is still around is like saying Southern California is still Spanish* since some of the towns have the same name as when the Spanish ruled. Hell, it's not even that, considering SoCal still has some buildings left from that time.

*Not to be confused with Hispanic, Mexican, etc.

Re:And IBM (1)

Sable Drakon (831800) | about 6 months ago | (#46068177)

Dell doesn't really count. They weren't around back when Apple was founded. If you're curious, Apple was founded in 1976, Dell in 1984.

And Dell (2, Informative)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about 6 months ago | (#46067673)

Michael Dell started assembling and selling PCs from his dorm room in 1984, the same year the first Macintosh was made.

Re:And Dell (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067861)

Yeah, but he shut it down and gave the money back to the shareholders.

Re:And IBM (1)

lord_mike (567148) | about 6 months ago | (#46067841)

Mainframes and minis apparently don't count, which makes no sense. IBM still sells plenty of computers, just not PC's. The apple spokesman's quote did not specify PC's. They said computers as a whole, so they are wrong on two counts at least.

!HP (5, Insightful)

iroll (717924) | about 6 months ago | (#46067591)

Comparing today's HP to the HP of the 80s, I'm inclined to side with Schiller.

Re:!HP (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067629)

Doing the same comparison on Apple yields the same results.

Woz must be turning in his grave.

Re:!HP (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067683)

Woz is alive. Jobs has passed.

Re:!HP (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067709)

Well, that's better than the other way around.

Re:!HP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067865)

He's dead to me.

Re:!HP (5, Insightful)

pushing-robot (1037830) | about 6 months ago | (#46067697)

Are you thinking of Apple of the 70s? Woz was basically out by 1981.

Apple today is very much like Apple of the early Mac years: building computers that are small, easy, and appliance-like.

Re:!HP (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 6 months ago | (#46067771)

Woz must be turning in his grave.

When did Woz die?

I'm no Apple fan, the only Apple I've owned is an Apple 2 (that fired up just fine last time I plugged it in). But I would certainly take an Apple product over some piece-of-shit Dell or HP crapware. My current laptop is a Thinkpad...

Re:!HP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067809)

Hey hater faggot - Woz is still alive. You on the other hand should blow your brains out cunt.

Re:!HP (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067705)

HP tried to stop making PCs. Then they had a board room revolt and fired their CEO. Now they still lose money on making crappy PCs that can't stack up against their two major competitors on either features or price.

They might as well not be making PCs, it's clearly a business they don't want to be in.

Re:!HP (1)

pianophile (181111) | about 6 months ago | (#46067935)

Comparing today's HP to the HP of the 80s, I'm inclined to side with Schiller.

Agreed. Of course, /. being /., the pedants are having a field day with Phil's offhand remark, but c'est la vie.

Re:!HP (3, Informative)

russotto (537200) | about 6 months ago | (#46068189)

Schiller's wrong, but HP isn't the company which exists from that era. It's Compaq, they just call themselves HP.

still exist, but... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067595)

HP still exists, but do they still make computers? All their systems that I know about are made by someone else like Quanta or Foxconn and have HP logos slapped on them. Does anyone know of systems HP actually makes?

Re:still exist, but... (4, Insightful)

timmyf2371 (586051) | about 6 months ago | (#46067615)

Who do you think manufactures Apple's computers, if not the likes of Foxconn and Pegatron?

Re: still exist, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067757)

True. But Apple doesn't use standard components except the HDD. And even they are phased out for custom SSDs. All Macs are designed and engineered by Apple in Cupertino, incl the logic board. Quanta and Foxconn assemble them. They don't create them.

HP PCs on the other hand uses standard components like everyone else.

Re: still exist, but... (2, Insightful)

SerpentMage (13390) | about 6 months ago | (#46067995)

And how is this relevant? BTW did you know that PC's way back in the days of Mac used standard components? It is only Mac that uses stupid custom components giving them some of the worst repair ratings in the industry.

Transformer, or Chinese Electronics Company? (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 6 months ago | (#46067791)

Foxconn
Megatron
Alpha Trion
Pegatron
Computron

Re:still exist, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067855)

Same chinese who made your Xbox and 25%+ of the world consumer electronics. What - you think your shit was farted out by unicorns faggot?

He is probably correct (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067597)

The company that started in the garage in the picture is now called Aligent. HP that is in business now was a spin off that has little to do with the company started by the founders of HP

It USED to be Agilent... (5, Informative)

Ellis D. Tripp (755736) | about 6 months ago | (#46067735)

They just split the company yet again, and the electronics test/measurement operations (the descendant of the original HP business) got rebranded as "Keysight Technologies":

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/... [nasdaq.com]

A company called "Hewlett-Packard" still exists, but they sell printers and PCs. Nothing to do with the company that Bill and Dave started in the Palo Alto garage....

Re:It USED to be Agilent... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067889)

A company called "Hewlett-Packard" still exists, but they sell printers and PCs. Nothing to do with the company that Bill and Dave started in the Palo Alto garage....
Oh, if we are going that way, then I think there are companies called Foxconn that make computers, but there is no company called "Apple" that makes computers. It went away at least 5 years ago (but I think its closer to 10). FTFY.

Re:He is probably correct (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067803)

Agilent. Aligent is something else.

You forgot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067621)

Homie forgot Poland.

IBM, Sun (as Oracle), DEC (as HP) are also around (1)

darkeye (199616) | about 6 months ago | (#46067623)

and they are still making computers...

Re: IBM, Sun (as Oracle), DEC (as HP) are also aro (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067775)

IBM doesn't make PCs anymore. Sold to Lenovo.
Neither does DEC or Sun. They are dead and sold.

None of these qualify as counter argument.

Re: IBM, Sun (as Oracle), DEC (as HP) are also aro (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068033)

"IBM doesn't make PCs anymore."

They still build computers...workstations, servers, business systems...just like they did before Woz cobbled together some Fairchild opAmps around 1974. Which incidentally was a copy of a device from Popular Electronics.

Re:IBM, Sun (as Oracle), DEC (as HP) are also arou (0)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 6 months ago | (#46067783)

IBM, Sun (as Oracle), DEC (as HP) are also around and they are still making computers...

The Apple statement was about PCs HP markets PCs, but I don't think Sun does, and IBM sold off their PC/Laptop business to Lenovo, recently divesting themselves of their x86 server business as well.

Re:IBM, Sun (as Oracle), DEC (as HP) are also arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068069)

I didn't see anything about a personal computer qualifier in the FA. Schiller said "computers".

“Every company that made computers when we started the Mac, they’re all gone,” Schiller told Macworld

Re:IBM, Sun (as Oracle), DEC (as HP) are also arou (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 6 months ago | (#46068241)

I didn't see anything about a personal computer qualifier in the FA. Schiller said "computers".

Wrong. If you go to the ORIGINAL SOURCE [macworld.com] of the quote, a story at MacWorld, you find that Schiller is in fact talking about PCs:

"Every company that made computers when we started the Mac, they're all gone," said Philip Schiller, Appleâ(TM)s senior vice president of worldwide marketing, in an interview on Apple's Cupertino campus Thursday. "Weâ(TM)re the only one left. We're still doing it, and growing faster than the rest of the PC industry because of that willingness to reinvent ourselves over and over."

That may or may not be an accurate opinon, none the less, the subject here is PCs.

Not Apple, neither (1)

AJWM (19027) | about 6 months ago | (#46068109)

If you want to limit it to PCs (which the original quote did not), then you might as well rule out Apple too.

They build (or rather, subcontract offshore companies to build) phones and tablets, neither of which by any stretch could be considered general purpose computers the way PCs could, and an increasingly shrinking line of computing appliances, ditto. Of course that's pretty much true all the way back to the original Mac, except for a brief period when Jobs wasn't around.

Indeed, arguably Apple isn't around either. They got assimilated by Jobs's NeXT which then changed their name, same way Southern Bell is now AT&T. The original AT&T isn't around. (Of course, the Jobs Reality Distortion Field was such that Apple paid him to be assimilated.)

On the flip side, if you want to talk about companies that are still around which made PCs back in the day, then add Radio Shack and Texas Instruments. Arguably, TI still does make PCs, given what some of their hand-held calculators are capable of.

Re:IBM, Sun (as Oracle), DEC (as HP) are also arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067785)

Didn't IBM sell off pretty much all their personal computing stuff to Lenovo?

And being bought out and having all of you tech rebranded is not the same as still being around. DEC and Sun are gone.

Re:IBM, Sun (as Oracle), DEC (as HP) are also arou (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067835)

Personal Computers (PC).

HP counts; although, they merged Compaq and I used to really hate those and HP seemed to make that crap afterwards. I got out of IT work before I had a chance to see if their PCs were Compaq rebranded or HP. Servers are not PCs. If they are really Compaq PCs and their killed their PCs only to remain building servers-- then are they really still a PC maker?

What a corporate Schill (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067625)

What? We were all thinking it.

According to the history page... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067655)

... HP didn't release its first PC until 1980. Apple was releasing computers years earlier. So Apple would have been correct if they said "PCs".

Re:According to the history page... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067687)

Nah! Check out what the Apple suit said in the OP. He's talking about Mac (TM), not about smallish computers in general.

Re:According to the history page... (2)

Waffle Iron (339739) | about 6 months ago | (#46067691)

... HP didn't release its first PC until 1980. Apple was releasing computers years earlier. So Apple would have been correct if they said "PCs".

Actually, according to their history page, HP coined the term "Personal Computer" in 1968 for a large programmable desktop calculator (that looks like a prop from the set of Space:1999).

Re:According to the history page... (0)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 6 months ago | (#46067799)

Actually, according to their history page, HP coined the term "Personal Computer" in 1968 for a large programmable desktop calculator...

But that's not what Philip Schiller is talking about.

Re:According to the history page... (2)

Waffle Iron (339739) | about 6 months ago | (#46067829)

It doesn't matter much what he was talking about because it was incorrect.

Re:According to the history page... (4, Informative)

nojayuk (567177) | about 6 months ago | (#46067851)

Sony, Toshiba, Fujitsu and Panasonic were Japanese electronics manufacturers making MSX-based personal computers in 1983 before the Mac was released and they're still manufacturing PCs today.

Only Toshiba (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068035)

I've never seen a Sony, Fujitsu or Panasonic PC... and don't start calling the PS4 a PC.

Re:Only Toshiba (5, Informative)

nojayuk (567177) | about 6 months ago | (#46068179)

Sony Viao L-series all-in-one desktops PCs.

http://www.sony.co.uk/product/... [sony.co.uk]

Fujitsu (no longer Fujitsu-Siemens) Esprimo desktop PCs.

http://www.fujitsu.com/uk/prod... [fujitsu.com]

Panasonic tablet-based PCs running Windows 8.1

http://www.panasonic.com/busin... [panasonic.com]

It makes me sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067669)

... to look at that timeline and see how it basically stopped around 2000. They haven't done anything I respect since then.

Marketing guy says something untrue? (5, Insightful)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about 6 months ago | (#46067711)

A marketing guy said something untrue? SAY IT ISN'T SO!

I'm guessing the only reason this story is here is so they can rack a couple OMG APPLE IS SO ARROGANT FUCK THEM posts from 7-digit newcomers around here.

God I miss the pre-Dice Slashdot.

Re:Marketing guy says something untrue? (1, Troll)

ttucker (2884057) | about 6 months ago | (#46067797)

I'm guessing the only reason this story is here is so they can rack a couple OMG APPLE IS SO ARROGANT FUCK THEM posts from 7-digit newcomers around here.

They are arrogant; and indeed, fuck them.

Re:Marketing guy says something untrue? (2)

Nimey (114278) | about 6 months ago | (#46067885)

Aw, piss off. Those people were here before Dice, even before VA.

Re:Marketing guy says something untrue? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067913)

This place is nothing more than a fanboy circle jerk anymore. That's the reason I come here to troll.
 
Oh, and in true form.... fuck islam or the transgenders or whatever gets your nuts tingling.

Re:Marketing guy says something untrue? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068009)

Why don't you put a bullet in your head with your precious gun faggot?

Re:Marketing guy says something untrue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068173)

This place is nothing more than a fanboy circle jerk anymore. That's the reason I come here to troll. Oh, and in true form.... fuck islam or the transgenders or whatever gets your nuts tingling.

That is flamebait, not trolling. Kindly educate yourself as to the difference.

Hey, Johnny-come-lately... (5, Insightful)

Slartibartfast (3395) | about 6 months ago | (#46067957)

I thought the story was a reasonable one. While I do miss the pre-Dice days, the days I really miss are the pre-Y2K days. Taco commentary, movie reviews, "quickies," Hemos, Cowboy Neal poll options... I just enjoyed the by-the-seat-of-their-pants feel. And that has been gone for quite some time. Certainly before you registered. ;-)

Re:Marketing guy says something untrue? (1)

oldhack (1037484) | about 6 months ago | (#46067961)

This outfit is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Decent submitters are mostly gone, and only ones left are click-bait trolls, dumb kids, and whinny bored geezers like me.

Re:Marketing guy says something untrue? (1)

Sancho (17056) | about 6 months ago | (#46067963)

Slashdot hasn't been the same in a very, very long time. But I try not to judge people by their UID.

Re:Marketing guy says something untrue? (2)

SerpentMage (13390) | about 6 months ago | (#46068013)

Huh Slashdot was better back then? Really? Colour me pink! I was there in the early days and it is still pretty much the same. Albeit the best improvement that was made is the rating system.

Re:Marketing guy says something untrue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068083)

Once things change, it seems like they're never the same. Even here.

Re:Marketing guy says something untrue? (1)

cyber-vandal (148830) | about 6 months ago | (#46068003)

Hardly anyone gave a shit about Apple when I joined. A tribute to their recent success I guess. Now get off my lawn newbie!

Re:Marketing guy says something untrue? (2)

karmawhore (122760) | about 6 months ago | (#46068131)

That's my recollection as well. Also, Bill Gates was the worst guy EVER. Linux kernel point releases were front page news. But at least we have idle now.

IBM (2)

MXB2001 (3023413) | about 6 months ago | (#46067721)

Ouch, hurts to be reminded that IBM stopped. Or to think back on the short lived but glorious Commodore and Atari. Still have one of each.

Re:IBM (1)

x_t0ken_407 (2716535) | about 6 months ago | (#46068119)

I'm a relative young buck when it comes to these things, but I remember my first computer (received when I was 8) was a 386 running Windows 3.1 with a 32MB HDD and IIRC 8MB of RAM...back then PC's that weren't Macs were called "IBM-compatible." Just reflecting out loud on how old I feel these days, lol.

Re:IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068285)

You seem to not understand why "IBM stopped." They simply didn't want to be in a commodity business nor selling to the guy on the street. So, they sold off their PC business, just as they did with their typewriters and printers.

Think I found the source of confusion (4, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 6 months ago | (#46067755)

I clicked on that timeline link, using my iPad. Thing is, that page doesn't work well with touch devices. Schiller probably did the same thing I did, and naturally came to the conclusion HP's history ended in 1966.

HP-150 in 1983. Who knew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067759)

HP was selling the HP-150 MS-DOS computer starting in November, 1983.

At nearly $3000 it wasn't on my radar.

Dell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067807)

Dell was around then. They were called Austin Microcomputers.

What he meant to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067811)

What he meant to say is that since the early days of the Mac, Apple CRUSHED any and all competition, which apparently makes Apple the only survivor in the twisted logic of a Mac user anyhow.

Not only HP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067847)

There's still Dell.

A couple of others, one well known, one not so. (5, Informative)

shippo (166521) | about 6 months ago | (#46067853)

I can think of a couple of other manufacturers who are still going, and were producing machines at the the time of original Mac. One of these is a major name, another is obscure, even in it's own country. The first is of course Toshiba, who were producing CP/M systems in 1980, if not earlier. The other is the British manufacturer Research Machines, who produce exclusively for the UK educational sector. Their RM 380Z, another CP/M box, appeared in 1977. RM are still producing PCs for education today, but I believe that they will soon be moving out of hardware whilst continuing with their software and support services.

Re:A couple of others, one well known, one not so. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068207)

Trivial information on demand, but can't tell it's from its. Engineer? Software retard?

Look at 1995 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067869)

Well if you think about Apples market that home personal computer. HP claims to have entered the home personal computer market in 1995 with the HP Pavilion PC. So while they did make "computers" before that, if you look at the home PC, it was 1995. So the question begs, when the statement was made, did he mean home PC market?

Re:Look at 1995 (3, Insightful)

Dr. Spork (142693) | about 6 months ago | (#46068093)

I think you nailed it. 30 years ago HP didn't have a computer line for home users. IBM did, but they don't now. Apple did then, and they still do now. Their claim is really quite defensible. The guy should have said "Of all the companies that were making consumer computers in 1984, we're the only one left that's still doing it." But I think it's not a stretch to interpret his sentence in just this way.

who's next? (4, Interesting)

beefoot (2250164) | about 6 months ago | (#46067893)

Does that mean Apple is the next to go?

Sounds about right... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067907)

Self-important Apple fanboy proves his foolishness by opening his mouth.

If He Means Apple Won and IBM Lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067915)

Then he's forgotten about Microsoft or the fact he's now swinging from Intel's tit.

ARM - Acorn RISC Machine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067921)

Acorn are still around but sure they only license designs...

And Dell... (1)

Slartibartfast (3395) | about 6 months ago | (#46067923)

Granted, it had a name change, but it's been around since "Mac days."

HP and... (1, Troll)

WillyWanker (1502057) | about 6 months ago | (#46067939)

Dell (1984), IBM (1981, now owned by Lenovo), Gateway (1985, now owned by Acer), and Acer (1981).

But go on, tell us more about how you are the only ones left from that time making personal computers. And how you created the GUI. And the portable music player. And the smartphone. And the tablet computer. Oh yes, tell us more...

Cray (1)

drkim (1559875) | about 6 months ago | (#46067945)

Cray is still around building computers...

http://www.cray.com/Products/P... [cray.com]

...and they started in "72 when Jobs was just 17 years old.

They installed their first system at Los Alamos National Laboratory in 1976

The title is wrong (1, Informative)

ToasterMonkey (467067) | about 6 months ago | (#46067977)

The quote is

"Every company that made computers when we started the Mac, they're all gone, we're the only one left. We're still doing it, and growing faster than the rest of the PC industry because of that willingness to reinvent ourselves over and over." said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing

As far as making personal computers before Apple and still doing it, I think it's a stretch to count HP because of a calculator, and I'm not even counting HP's attempt to get out of the PC market recently. The HP-150 that came out after they started working on the Mac... is that even in the same ballgame as the 1984 Mac, I don't think so.

Apple started on the Mac in 1980 from what I can tell.

The nitpicking is really skewing his point - HP is ALSO still around because they've had to reinvent themselves over and over.

Re:The title is wrong (1)

Arker (91948) | about 6 months ago | (#46068065)

"Apple started on the Mac in 1980 from what I can tell."

Eh, the 128k came out in '84.

Some of the ideas that eventually got included might have been floating around in someone's head at Apple in 1980, but little if anything more than that.

He's right (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46067981)

HP and Compaq merged in 2002, breaking the line.

Schiller On Crack! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068017)

Hewlett-Packard [hp.com] / Compaq [compaq.com]

Gateway 2000 now Gateway [gateway.com]

Packard Bell [packardbell.com]

As always, you're not nearly as fabulous as you think you are, Apple.

Re:Schiller On Crack! (2)

Arker (91948) | about 6 months ago | (#46068043)

Oh please no, dont tell me that Packard Hell is still around.

It's been years since I saw one of them and the memories still bring on cold sweats.

HP isn't a computer company. (2)

Dr_Marvin_Monroe (550052) | about 6 months ago | (#46068091)

HP doesn't have the tradition of a "Computer Company". They make computer hardware, but that doesn't put them in the same league as Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Intel and Oracle. Same goes for Dell and Lenovo.

Full disclosure, I've purchased 2 HP laptops in the last two years, so I'm not bashing on HP. They made/make the best calculators and they used to make electronic test equipment. Those were rugged (as much as test equipment can be outside Fluke), accurate and high performance. They also used to make the best laser printers you could buy ( at a reasonable cost). Moving into the commodity PC market and selling off their test equipment branch was a huge mistake. They've had some really bad leadership over the years and they seem to keep killing their best products just at the point when it could really make a positive difference for them.

They're not a computer company, they just happen make computer hardware...this month...next month may be something else.

Re:HP isn't a computer company. (1)

plopez (54068) | about 6 months ago | (#46068193)

They have a pretty good storage and cloud systems management software products. I think they should dump their PC division and focus on the infrastructure and services distributed cloud services will need.

kinda off topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46068113)

I remember the Tandy computers from Radioshack. I didn't own one, but I remember seeing them in the stores. I forgot when Radioshack discontinued their computers.

Apple has never made PCs (1)

plopez (54068) | about 6 months ago | (#46068171)

If PC means "Pocket Calculator" :)

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