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VC Likens Google Bus Backlash To Nazi Rampage

timothy posted about 8 months ago | from the naw-it's-more-maoist-or-khmer-rouge dept.

The Almighty Buck 683

theodp writes "Valleywag reports on legendary Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tom Perkins' WSJ op-ed on class tensions, in which the KPCB founder and former HP and News Corp. board member likens criticism of the techno-affluent and their transformation of San Francisco to one of the most horrific events in Western history. 'I would call attention to the parallels of Nazi Germany to its war on its "one percent," namely its Jews, to the progressive war on the American one percent, namely the "rich,"' Perkins writes. 'There is outraged public reaction to the Google buses carrying technology workers from the city to the peninsula high-tech companies which employ them. We have outrage over the rising real-estate prices which these "techno geeks" can pay...This is a very dangerous drift in our American thinking. Kristallnacht was unthinkable in 1930; is its descendent 'progressive' radicalism unthinkable now?"'"

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First post. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072171)

Derp.

Re:First post. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072193)

I think we need an "ohnoitstheodp" tag

INTERNET BOX PODCAST CHECK IT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072179)

ROWLF

Pathetic (5, Insightful)

gweihir (88907) | about 8 months ago | (#46072183)

People like that will use any "argument" to justify what they are doing, no matter how remote or unrelated. They will not care whether they cheapen other things that have happened. The only goal is to pull the discussion on an emotional level, because they know the facts are not on their side...

Re:Pathetic (5, Insightful)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about 8 months ago | (#46072215)

A better comparison would have been the French revolution. A corrupt overclass that has little regard for the suffering happening beneath them, and actively working against the common good for their own benefit. Of course, that might not have supported his point so well since those guys mostly ended up at the guillotine.

Re:Pathetic (3, Insightful)

c0lo (1497653) | about 8 months ago | (#46072351)

A better comparison would have been the French revolution. A corrupt overclass that has little regard for the suffering happening beneath them, and actively working against the common good for their own benefit. Of course, that might not have supported his point so well since those guys mostly ended up at the guillotine.

I fail to see how this would be a better comparison, would you be so kind to enlighten me?
Specifically, how are the "technology workers" a "corrupt overclass"? Again, how come working for Google is "working against the common good"?
A bit more: is "working for their own benefit" imoral now? ('cause illegal is not)
Like... what?... they don't pay for their groceries enough/at all? Or are they able to avoid sale taxes on those groceries?

Oy (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072469)

Taking this a bit personally, are we?

For one, the protestors are just going after an easy target - the employees of the companies that were using the public bus stops as their own private stops. If those protestors could, I'm sure they'd rather go after Perkins and his buddies.

These protests are just a symptom of the anger the lower classes at the fact their real incomes and standard of living is declining while being told that they're too stupid to work in the well paying fields while people like the op-ed author are actively lobbying to bring in people overseas that are really no better than they are. (Please, I''ve personally had to train H1-Bs on what a pointer was and what memory locations are. Don't give me this BS that they are smarter or better trained than we are.)

We have an upper class that is trying to turn our education system into a jobs training program for their exploitation. Our education system is for having an educated electorate and not about creating worker drones. Our kids should be learning reading, writing, math, science:chem,phys, biology, critical thinking skills - NOT how to be a code monkey; which is all high school level CS classes teach.

In short, these corrupt people are trying to force THEIR training expenses onto the public while PROFITING off of the potential results.

We DO NOT need more programmer we NEED more people who can think and communicate. And with this World getting more and more integrated, our kids need to learn foreign languages MUCH more than a computer language that will go out of style in a few years.

Re:Oy (1, Insightful)

gweihir (88907) | about 8 months ago | (#46072529)

We need a lot _less_ programmers than we have now. What we need is the ones with actual aptitude and skill. True, that will reduce short-term profits for a lot of greedy scum, but it will actually make the world a bit better. Not that Google and others have any more interest in that. That was just the lie the managed to sell convincingly in the beginning.

Also one additional point: Since when does "immoral" have any relation to "illegal"? The law and morality/ethics are not correlated at all. That is just the pretext used to justify laws which are not in the public interest.

Re:Oy (1, Interesting)

c0lo (1497653) | about 8 months ago | (#46072597)

Taking this a bit personally, are we?

Not at all, I found myself genuinely puzzled. You know? Like any kind of person that uses a bit her/his brain to think (and affords to take a minute of time to think instead of reacting).

For one, the protestors are just going after an easy target - the employees of the companies that were using the public bus stops as their own private stops. If those protestors could, I'm sure they'd rather go after Perkins and his buddies.

So... making scape-goats from the technology workers. And this is not similar to Kristallnacht exactly how? (making jews a scape-goat just to vent the public discontent)

We have an upper class that is trying to turn our education system into a jobs training program for their exploitation.

True, but this is not something recent: this happened at least since 50 years ago [wikipedia.org] .
Question: why is it that only today that we see negative reactions?

Re:Oy (3, Interesting)

sandertje (1748324) | about 8 months ago | (#46072633)

Well, I think your kind of people are exactly the problem. Companies have been screaming for years that education does not align with the work field. It's all very nice for the student to learn how to write beautiful academic essays and what not, but that's all bullshit to companies. They just want people that know how to do X - without having to entirely re-educate these people. I think the western world has been living far too much in the "oh, i can do everything I want, and still be rich"-fantasy world. No, you can not become everything you'd like to. All very nice that you can perfectly communicate in esoteric ancient Babylonian, but it's not fucking useful!. The Germans have found an elegant solution to this problem, which is a win-win situation for all involved; they call it ausbildung: in stead of university, students take courses at a company for about 2 years. The company pays all the bills (the student even gets paid). After finishing the courses, the student is almost certainly guaranteed a job at said company, and the company has exactly the type of employee it wants/needs.

Re:Pathetic (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072507)

The important takeaway is: at least the Nazis had sense enough to hate niggers. A civilization that doesn't will crumble.

Re:Pathetic (1)

Nyder (754090) | about 8 months ago | (#46072533)

... Or are they able to avoid sale taxes on those groceries?

If they live in Washington State, then yes, they are able to avoid sales tax on groceries (like everyone else who lives here).

Re:Pathetic (5, Interesting)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 8 months ago | (#46072539)

Specifically, how are the "technology workers" a "corrupt overclass"? Again, how come working for Google is "working against the common good"?

I believe the poster is talking about Perkins and the other 0.01%ers, not the 10%ers that ride the Google Bus. Perkins is disingenuously attempting to draw the technology workers onto his side by calling them 1%ers, but the reality is that very few of them are, or ever will be. The misdirected attacks by the uninformed lower class against the buses are a symptom of a very real problem that Perkins and his peers are creating (I actually believe their intentions are good for the most part, but exceedingly misinformed). Perkins is hoping to get some of the members of the labor class whose wages he and his peers have been intentionally, consciously, premeditatedly suppressing to join his side in the fight as a result of the misdirected but justified anger by the poor.

Re:Pathetic (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about 8 months ago | (#46072631)

Specifically, how are the "technology workers" a "corrupt overclass"? Again, how come working for Google is "working against the common good"?

I believe the poster is talking about Perkins and the other 0.01%ers, not the 10%ers that ride the Google Bus. Perkins is disingenuously attempting to draw the technology workers onto his side by calling them 1%ers, but the reality is that very few of them are, or ever will be.

Ah, I see. That is plausible... (but it still doesn't make from the French Revolution a more appropriate example).

Re:Pathetic (2, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about 8 months ago | (#46072579)

Google is like Microsoft now. They can do whatever they want. Nobody wants Windows 8. But Microsoft sells a lot of Windows 8 licenses, because that's what PCs come with. People don't have any choice.

While it is an interesting technology with cool potential, a lot of folks don't want to be constantly filmed by Google Glass wearers for privacy issues. Like, the thought that all that Google Glass data will belong to the NSA on a whim of a secret court judge. Google doesn't give a rat's ass about people's privacy. They just want to sell their glasses, and they'll do it. And it's their right to do so, but don't expect people to love them for it.

In the case of the Google buses, Google has the money and the right to provide that privileged service to their employees. However, to the common folks, the Google folks seem to be flaunting and taunting their wealth. So don't expect the commoners to kneel and bow down when the Google buses go by.

I'm actually really surprised that Google hasn't hired any PR muscle to handle some of these issues. But again, like Microsoft, too much success leads to arrogance.

Re:Pathetic (1)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about 8 months ago | (#46072613)

A better comparison would have been the French revolution. A corrupt overclass that has little regard for the suffering happening beneath them, and actively working against the common good for their own benefit. Of course, that might not have supported his point so well since those guys mostly ended up at the guillotine.

I fail to see how this would be a better comparison, would you be so kind to enlighten me?

Specifically, how are the "technology workers" a "corrupt overclass"? Again, how come working for Google is "working against the common good"?

A bit more: is "working for their own benefit" imoral now? ('cause illegal is not)
Like... what?... they don't pay for their groceries enough/at all? Or are they able to avoid sale taxes on those groceries?

Not the tech workers themselves, who are just people working for the 1%.

The 1% who are the majority owners of the corporations that run America today would be the 'corrupt overclass'.

Re:Pathetic (1)

superwiz (655733) | about 8 months ago | (#46072635)

Specifically, how are the "technology workers" a "corrupt overclass"?

They are not. But GP wanted to take an emotional position while proving that it is a bad idea to take emotional positions. Don't ask for consistency from nihilists. They are not looking to arrive at the correct conclusion. They just want to win.

Re:Pathetic (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072357)

True. The new corrupt overclass killed the old corrupt overclass and took their money. For people without overclass connections - suffering continued.
The basic point of argument is around the statement: IT IS PERFECTLY OK TO MAKE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT ALONE.

Re:Pathetic (4, Funny)

shikaisi (1816846) | about 8 months ago | (#46072427)

A better comparison would have been the French revolution.

"Let them eat Apples"

Re:Pathetic (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072455)

A better comparison would have been the French revolution

No. Just no.

Come on people, this is not the government trying to take action against a group it doesn't like. These "bus riders" are in danger of being rounded up and put in prison, put in camps, or put to death.

If we as a society can't deal with the fact that a company provides transportation for its employees as a perk then we are a lost cause. These "bus riders" are probably all working while in the bus. Less traffic for everyone, less stress for the employees and more productivity for the company.

These "bus riders" are not forced to ride the bus, and are not in danger of being burned at the stake or facing a guillotine, or being shoved into ovens or gas chambers.

Just get a fucking grip. Your hyperbole is utterly wrong and ridiculous!

Re:Pathetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072573)

These "bus riders" are not in danger of being rounded up and put in prison, put in camps, or put to death.

That not should have been in the original post.

Re:Pathetic (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072233)

There, fixed that for ya.
 

People like that will use any "argument" to justify what they are doing, no matter how illogical. They will not care whether theyworked for what they have. The only goal is to pull everyone down to their level, because they know they are too lazy too succeed on their own.

Who are you talking about? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072363)

There, fixed that for ya.

 

People like that will use any "argument" to justify what they are doing, no matter how illogical. They will not care whether theyworked for what they have. The only goal is to pull everyone down to their level, because they know they are too lazy too succeed on their own.

Are you talking about the Op-Ed author or the protestors?

Everyone works hard. This myth that the top of the socio-economic pyramid is there because they worked harder than everyone else and that the poor just sit around and do nothing is just complete and utter non-sense. Well, maybe not. There are the folks who inherited their money and just collect rents and dividends and hang out on their yachts.

I work very hard, but could I ever enter the World of this VC?

No. Because I do not know the right people to get there.

I have no doubt that among the protestors there are very hard working smart people that could do a better job than this guy can - any day. But they don't have the contacts and may even be considered someone who is the "wrong sort" and won't "fit in" to their "corporate culture".

Perkins [wikipedia.org] is very smart - I have no doubt - and lucky for him that he had parents who gave him great genes and the nurturing to bring out his god given talents.

But look how he was at the right place at the right time to ride on the coat tails of Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard at the beginnings of Silicon Valley. He was lucky enough to get in at the start of the "gold rush".

No sir. This guy had some wonderful opportunities given to him and like most successful people, delude themselves into thinking it was 100% their hard work.

Re:Who are you talking about? (1)

newslash.formatblows (2011678) | about 8 months ago | (#46072453)

"No sir. This guy had some wonderful opportunities given to him and like most successful people, delude themselves into thinking it was 100% their hard work."

This part should be modded up to about 11.

Re:Who are you talking about? (1)

gweihir (88907) | about 8 months ago | (#46072557)

Ah, yes, that one. The typical upper manager things all successes are his successes (they basically never are) and all problems are his underlings faults (they basically never are). Same at Google in the more recent past from what I hear. I give them a few more years they will be profiting from their by now not anymore deserved reputation as an employer that makes its workers rich or a good employer at that. After that they will find it very hard to hire anybody talented. They are bleeding talented people already. For what happens then, look at Yahoo.

Re:Pathetic (0, Redundant)

Spritzer (950539) | about 8 months ago | (#46072255)

There, fixed that for ya.

People like that will use any "argument" to justify what they are doing, no matter how illogical. They will not care whether they worked for what they have. The only goal is to pull everyone down to their level, because they know they are too lazy too succeed on their own.

Re:Pathetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072333)

And a redundant troll at that. When you say "worked for what they have" you mean rigged the game, bought politicians and cheated on the taxes they couldn't get special rates/tax breaks for.

Re:Pathetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072413)

Sure. It is the idea that government has the power to decide on all issues without any actual limit that brings business people to buy politicians. If your competitors pay-up to get you out of the market - you start playing the lobby game if you want to be in business.

Re:Pathetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072423)

That's not the workers that have done that though - you're talking about corporate CEO's while people are attacking the line workers.

Re:Pathetic (1)

gweihir (88907) | about 8 months ago | (#46072561)

The line workers are part of the organization. As they are not slaves, they chose to be there and share part of the responsibility.

Re:Pathetic (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072301)

They'll also use all kinds of logic-defying arguments, such as linking progressives to the Nazis, when in fact the Nazis were a RIGHT-WING dictatorship who hated the communists, unions, and pretty much everything the right wing otherwise correctly or not links progressives to when they're doing their usual ranting. Then again, the rich in this country never do seem to mind trying to rewrite history to favor their point of view.

As to the Nazis, it is an interesting comparison, but not for the reason he thinks. National Socialism. Their name was just another one of their lies, sort of. They believed in socialism all right--the kind of socialism where large corporations get the welfare and the people get screwed. Pretty much like what we have now.

Re:Pathetic Example (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072355)

Read your history, particularly, your world history.
NAZI were Socialists. (National Socialist Party)
Socialists are Leftis.
Socialist and Communists, while both are Marxists/Leftists, hate each other. Socialists and Communications almost always fight each other--words, bullets, or anything else. They use different means to achieve the same thing.

Re:Pathetic Example (4, Informative)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 8 months ago | (#46072569)

Read your history, particularly, your world history.

You should read your history.

NAZI were Socialists. (National Socialist Party)

If you think that having "Socialist" in the name makes a party socialistic, you probably also believe that the German Democratic Republic was democratic, right?

Re:Pathetic Example (4, Informative)

gweihir (88907) | about 8 months ago | (#46072589)

That is a gross and inaccurate simplification. Read a bit of history yourself, maybe? The Nazis were definitely not socialists in the traditional sense. That you try to deduce from the name of the party what its nature is shows that you really, really have no clue how these things works or what happened back then.

Re:Pathetic (0)

gweihir (88907) | about 8 months ago | (#46072571)

The Nazis were not right-wing in the traditional sense. In fact, some of their more important views were completely the opposite. That is one thing that made them so dangerous.

People are sick and tired of hipsters. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072447)

The whole Web 2.0 phenomenon has been very highly tied to hipsterism. Everything about it is rotten to the very core.

Hipsters have proven themselves to be, in general, some of the worst people around. They're so self-centered that they'll unknowingly shit upon anyone and everyone, and not even realize that they're doing it. This is, in my opinion, much worse than those who also shit upon anyone and everyone, but are at least aware of what they're doing, even if they continue to do it.

I don't think that anyone would have a problem with hipsters if they moved into a neighborhood, and then lived privately like everyone else manages to do. But hipsters are never like that. They'll be out in public, subjecting everyone to their extremely shitty sense of "culture".

The cozy corner coffee shop quickly becomes infested with hipsters. One can no longer slip in, quickly grab a coffee, sit down and enjoy it in peace and quiet. Instead, one has to contend with one hipster after another ordering some obscure, time-consuming blend. Then there are no seats available, because each one is occupied for hours by hipsters using their iDevices to "work" on some half-assed Ruby on Rails monstrosity. It's usually the hipster's inane blabbering about "irony" and "obscure music" that'll push most normal people over the edge.

The exact same thing will happen to neighborhood bars, and other establishments. Hipsters also tend to have an attitude where they put a very twisted view of environmentalism above all else. They'll petition cities to prevent street parking in the residential areas they've overtaken, for example. This works out just fine for them, since they work in the nearby coffee shops they've invaded, or they have company-provided buses to shuttle them around. This does not work out well for the long-established citizens of the neighborhood who have real jobs, and need cars to get there.

And it's obvious how hipsters drive up the price of rent. They generally lack any sort of financial sense. Instead of engaging in the age-old practice of negotiating down rent increases, they'll just blindly accept and pay the new rate. This causes unbridled rent increases in the areas with more than a few hipsters. Landlords sensibly take advantage of these hipsters, but this inadvertently affects many non-hipsters, as well.

San Francisco is just the beginning. It's where the hipster movement is currently the strongest. But the long-time citizens of San Francisco and nearby cities are finally getting fed up with the hipster infestation that has started to ruin their communities. These hipsters are scum. They are rubbish. And they are one of the most virulent infections in American cities today. It's not surprising at all that normal people have had enough of these hipsters. These hipsters have treated normal people horribly for far too long now, whether these hipsters even know it or not.

Godwin's law (5, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 8 months ago | (#46072189)

Maybe someone should have told him about Godwin's law.

By invoking a Nazi comparison, he already lost.

That's not what Godwin's Law is about (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072235)

Godwin's Law states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1" It doesn't mean you automatically lose a debate, it just means that Hitler/Nazis will inevitably get dragged into the conversation.

Re:That's not what Godwin's Law is about (3, Informative)

Shimbo (100005) | about 8 months ago | (#46072331)

It doesn't mean you automatically lose a debate

Not as originally stated, although that is often assumed to follow. For example, the Jargon file has:

“As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress.

Re:That's not what Godwin's Law is about (4, Informative)

maxwell demon (590494) | about 8 months ago | (#46072347)

From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] (emphasis by me):

"For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.[7] This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law."

That's what I've known as Godwin's law since I've first heard the term, and this is how I used it above.

Re:That's not what Godwin's Law is about (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about 8 months ago | (#46072547)

The flaw in Godwin's law, for those who use it to try to claim a victory in their argument, is that the longer the discussion takes place, the probability of a comparison involving approaches 1.

Often times these comparisons are valid. It's only when they're not valid that you've lost the argument (e.g. just accusing somebody of being a nazi, a racist, etc. when they aren't anything close to that.)

Well... (0)

tduff (904905) | about 8 months ago | (#46072195)

Godwin's Law! Discussion over.

It's called perspective (3, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 8 months ago | (#46072197)

What actually led to the third reich's rise to power? Economic imbalance.

What actually fueled the war? Economic benefit to the very richest people. You can't make war without materials. They didn't have all the materials they needed, and they were able to buy them from other countries. The US government knew that an american was making fuel sales to the reich, but permitted them to continue for quite some time, then later seized the profits. Mitsubishi Zeroes were made out of ALCOA aluminum.

What's leading to any possible progrom-like activity against the rich? The actions of the rich.

Can't feel sorry for the wealthy. Share your wealth with us, or we will share our poverty with you. Signed, the world.

P.S. If you have a job, a roof over your head, and lighting and refrigeration, you are a member of the eight percent.

Re:It's called perspective (1, Insightful)

amiga3D (567632) | about 8 months ago | (#46072279)

At first I thought he was an idiot.....but after reading that rant I can't help but think he might have a point.

Re:It's called perspective (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072365)

At first I thought he was an idiot.....but after reading that rant I can't help but think he might have a point.

For a moment there I thought you weant that Drinkpoo might have a point. Obviously that didn't make much sense so I thought about it and realised you meant the article loony.

Re:It's called perspective, anger is misdirected (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072367)

This anger is not directed at the 1%, it is directed at the productive worker bees who work indirectly for the 1%. Yeah, driving a middle class of people out of their homes and blockading their buses may result in a neighborhood free of these worker bees, but then what do you have left?

Re: It's called perspective, anger is misdirected (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072519)

You have your neighborhood back. I was shocked this tool didn't say rent control was slowing innovation or something equally absurd.

Re:It's called perspective, anger is misdirected (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072607)

it is directed at the productive worker bees who work indirectly for the 1%.

Better known as traitors, toadies, henchmen or minions.
Fuck em.

Re:It's called perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072371)

P.S. If you have a job, a roof over your head, and lighting and refrigeration, you are a member of the eight percent.

I suspect that figure would be closer to twenty percent than eight, and that's mostly let down on the refrigeration side.

I agree with the bulk of your comment, but suspect that your PS indicates a very warped idea of who "the rich" actually are. In a way it reminds me of the riots in London where bratty little teenage know-nothing scum crapped all over their local community and then tried to excuse their actions by claiming they were fighting the rich, citing local shopkeepers as examples of "the rich." By no coincidence at all they kept away from the afluent, well policed areas (the police in question quite happy to stand by idly as local businesses literally burned to the ground without lifting a finger.)

Re:It's called perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072379)

Combine this post with another above = clearly 92% of humans are lazy fucks and should starve to death. Right?

Re:It's called perspective (5, Informative)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 8 months ago | (#46072409)

Here's a shocking stat I came across just yesterday: the richest 85 PEOPLE have as much wealth as the bottom HALF the world population. That's 85 == 3.5 BILLION. citation [oxfam.org] [PDF warning]

Almost HALF of the world's wealth is owned by one percent of the population.

In the US, the wealthiest one percent captured 95 percent of post-financial crisis growth since 2009, while the bottom 90 percent became poorer.

Unfortunately, I have somewhere to be, or I'd be writing a much longer epistle.

Actually, it's called entropy (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072513)

Take 25 coins and 25 people. What's the most natural way of distributing the wealth?

Usual answer: given them one each. But swap any two people, and you've got the same distribution. There's only one configuration.

Now give all 25 coins to just one person. There are 25 possible configurations. This is a much more likely outcome.

The (macro)state with the most permutations is where 1 person gets 4 coins, 2 people get 3 coins, 4 people get 2 coins and 7 people get 1 coin. The rest get nothing. (Sound familiar...?)

Uncomfortable for a fair society to accept, but this is simply how the universe works. No amount of laws and regulations will ever make it fair, though that's not an excuse not to try.

A better solution is to forget trying to level the playing field and accept that the bulk of the wealth will always be held by the few. Instead, focus on making it easier to move across the field so that the undeserving rich become a little poorer, and the deserving poor become a little richer.

Create opportunities for people to improve their lot. Don't waste your time complaining about the status quo!

Re:It's called perspective (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072435)

The third reich rise to power, was fueled by class warfare, not by economic imbalance. The Nazi party used class wealth envy as a splinter issue to obtain power, they propagated the idea that all of the wealth was owned by the Jews. This rationale, pure hatred, was then used to justify the internment and death camps.

Justifying a literal class war leads to mass homicide.

Re:It's called perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072449)

You don't want their wealth. You can take their money but what will you buy with it if normal people are afraid to have it? What will you do with a huge villa if those are the target of the communist rebels? Who would want to drive an expensive car without an armed escort? Even if the car and the villa was "shared".

What you suggest is something I would happily fight against. I prefer the rich because they know how to make life comfortable for the masses. "The world" - doesn't even know how to feed its own children while keep having more of them.

Uh right. (4, Insightful)

sg_oneill (159032) | about 8 months ago | (#46072201)

Theres a big difference between the Nazis arguments on the Jews and the OWS argument on the 1%.

The OWS believe the ultra rich are ultra rich because they are ultra rich

The nazis thought the jews where ultra rich because the nazis where racist fanatics.

Kind of a difference.

Re:Uh right. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072495)

Theres a big difference between the Nazis arguments on the Jews and the OWS argument on the 1%.

It's not as big a different as you may think. Ask any OWSer their position on Israel and see if their position sides more closely with the Zionist Jews (known in the 1910s-1950s as "Palestinians") or with the Nazi remnants of WWII Germany's Arab forces (known since the 1970s as "Palestinians")

Re:Uh right. (2, Insightful)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 8 months ago | (#46072577)

I am pretty sure the Nazis thought the Jews were rich, because they were rich. They hated them and thought they were trying to take over the world because they were bat-shit crazy, and needed someone to blame for all their problems.

Wild exaggeration (4, Insightful)

Coward Anonymous (110649) | about 8 months ago | (#46072213)

The comparison is inappropriate.

At the same time, I do understand the disgust with the neo-luddites of SF and their alarming witch hunt - it is a mob.

Re:Wild exaggeration (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072483)

Not really wild. Socialism of all forms is against free markets. Technology is one of those fields when you can still innovate without government/union restrictions. Thus a free market.

Patents and RF spectrum (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about 8 months ago | (#46072583)

Technology is one of those fields when you can still innovate without government/union restrictions.

Patents and long-term exclusive leases to radio frequency spectrum are government restrictions.

Oh godwin (1)

Njovich (553857) | about 8 months ago | (#46072219)

Never was so much owed by so many to so few bankers.

Nazi's? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072229)

Haven't all arguments which degrade to making WW2 Nazi comparisons, automatically lost and pointless?

I guess the "any publicity is good publicity" philosophy is in play here.

Brazil (4, Interesting)

sobolwolf (1084585) | about 8 months ago | (#46072251)

I have lived in Brazil for quite some years now. Here the gap between rich and everyone else (there is no middle class here so to speak) is to such an extent that if you have money you are a target. This means that you must live in a gated community in constant fear that you or your kids might be kidnapped. You need to own a cheapo car so you won't stand out too much when driving around. Of course you will have a nice car too, but this is only for weekends or maybe travel to places where other rich people go. In the end it is easy to become a prisoner of that wealth that is supposed to make you more free. I would prefer to live middle class in a 1st world country than rich in Brazil. The sad thing is that the erosion of the middle class in the 1st world countries means that they soon might resemble Brazil, and this is not good, even if you are rich.

Re:Brazil (4, Insightful)

mean pun (717227) | about 8 months ago | (#46072419)

The sad thing is that the erosion of the middle class in the 1st world countries means that they soon might resemble Brazil, and this is not good, even if you are rich.

Which is exactly why it is so shortsighted to cut on welfare programs and generally treat the poor as the enemy, as is the trend in the US and many european countries nowadays. When the poor start to starve, they will not die quietly, they will get violent. Keeping the masses reasonably well off is a good investment, even for the most psychopathic rich.

Re:Brazil (1)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 8 months ago | (#46072619)

The sad thing is that the erosion of the middle class in the 1st world countries means that they soon might resemble Brazil, and this is not good, even if you are rich.

A bit of economic data analysis shows that this is true in an absolute income since in the long run as well as the sense of effectively living in a prison. The rise of the middle class in America in the 50's and 60's, fueled largely by the American Dream made possible by the income tax structure of that era (worth looking up if you don't actually know the numbers), was a very direct engine of America's rise to superpower. We wouldn't have our powerhouse economy and its attendant superwealthy were it not for the genuine opportunity for anyone with reasonable intelligence and a will to work to earn a comfortable life and a secure retirement -- an opportunity which is now reserved to the 30% and shrinking.

perspective? (4, Interesting)

inode_buddha (576844) | about 8 months ago | (#46072263)

Somehow I think that actual holocaust survivors would be insulted by this comparison. Also I think the yahoo has lost all sense of perspective and proportion.

I think what angers everyone else is that "the rich" are playing by a different set of rules. Fix that and you'll fix most everything else.

Once you pull the nazi card (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 8 months ago | (#46072273)

You are rendered irrelevant.

dark matters III the never ending holycost (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072287)

us imaginary semi-chosens never saw us coming? same banks, pr firms & WMD on credit cabals who supplied hitler are still in operation? here? egads, no wonder the don't ask don't tell symbull is so important? today we're going to interview (in absentia) the WMD cabalists & zion itself. try to ask questions that are on topic, as many as you like to hear lies about

who runs the WMD cabals? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072361)

the band of 85 & the psychotic inbred crown royals

who runs the MANufacturd 'weather'? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072417)

it's not the fairytail wind sprites? http://www.globalresearch.ca/weather-warfare-beware-the-us-military-s-experiments-with-climatic-warfare/7561

why are the innocent stem cells still held hostage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072479)

it's guess your best round; http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=stem%20cells&sm=3 never a better time to consider ourselves in relation to one another everywhere at once. spirits soaring...

Technology taking jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072317)

Although there is a lot of rage from those outside tech losing their livelihood to tech advances, there is now rage coming from those formerly in tech themselves as tablets are replacing desktops, smartphones replacing GPS, cameras and other forms of convergence.

Mac's never made it in corporate space despite their higher reliability of their operating system, it's because Apple never really pursued that space well, but also because tech folks didn't want them in because they themselves wouldn't be needed as much.

Microsoft was a squeaky wheel that kept IT employed, however as demonstrated with Windows 8, Chrome and iOS, the higher ups in our tech related fields have already plotted most of our destruction.

Even Steve Jobs fantasied of hardware that was pressed out by automated machines with little aftermarket support required. The gradual reduction of problematic parts, hard drive, optical drive, dedicated graphics, RAM, even keyboards, is now a reality, with no user replaceable options what so ever. The cooling fins get clogged 2 years later and you toss a perfectly good $3000 machine into the garbage can, wait until that trickles down to $400 device level.

Enjoy our high pay, don't spend it foolishly, because as soon as the world standardizes on several key software programs, say like how Photoshop and Indesign are now standard for the soon to be defunct publishing industry (caused by tech advances) then management is going to thin out our respective herds too.

They will use the same excuse they give for shopping the world for cheap manual labor, if they don't do it their competition will.

Re:Technology taking jobs (1)

olsmeister (1488789) | about 8 months ago | (#46072487)

Mac's [sic] never made it in the corporate space because they were monolithic and overpriced. With a PC, you could put one together with as few or as many different components as you wanted, of varying capabilities according to your needs, and different hardware manufacturers would compete driving innovation and dropping prices. Also, PC's had a head start. Before there were Windows or Macs, there was MSDOS. There was a lot of software written for DOS and Windows would run them (mostly). Or at least allow them to be run. This was a big deal. The deck was stacked against the Mac from the start. Having said that, I'm still impressed that they're still around and doing quite well.

Lame (2)

JockTroll (996521) | about 8 months ago | (#46072323)

You can talk about Nazikrauts shitting on you when there are death camps for the 1%.

One Percent (4, Insightful)

oldhack (1037484) | about 8 months ago | (#46072329)

First of all, I'm sure Google/Apple/etc. get to pull some of the cream of the crop, but these guys still don't make the kind of money the Wall St. Assholes make - they are hardly One-percenters.

The dude is truly out of touch with the rest of society.

Calm down, Tom... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072337)

...the buses just have been smacked by The Invisible Hand. All is well!

A short list of things that are like the Holocaust (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072339)

1. The Holocaust

I also have a list of things that are like slavery if anyone is interested.

Re:A short list of things that are like the Holoca (4, Funny)

Lendrick (314723) | about 8 months ago | (#46072511)

I also have a list of things that are like slavery if anyone is interested.

Oh! Oh! Is it raising taxes a few percent?

Wrong left-wing extreme (5, Interesting)

mrsam (12205) | about 8 months ago | (#46072349)

I do agree that the "99% versus the 1%" movement in American politics has some striking historical parallels. However, I don't think that Nazi Germany is the best comparison. A more appropriate historical equivalent would be the Bolshevik/Communist movement that culminated in the Bolshevik revolution of 1917 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik_Revolution).

The contemporary rhetoric from the left wing of America politics: i.e. "the 1%", "make the rich pay their fair share", etc... Is nearly word-for-word the same rhetoric heard on the streets of Russia, adjusted for a century's worth of elapsed history, urging the "proletariat", the working people to rally against the "bourgeoisie", i.e. the rich, and the "kulaks", the ultra-rich. Led by the Bolshevik movement, it culminated in the Bolshevik revolution of 1917. The word "Bolshevik" is directly translated as "ones belong to the majority". In other words, "the 99%". All the great unwashed I saw on the boob tube at various "Occupy " events, in the last couple of years, are the sons and daughters of the Bolsheviks a century ago. Whether they realize it, or not.

Re:Wrong left-wing extreme (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072601)

Wow, the guy in the wall street article is over the top.
    About all that is useful in what he has done is provide a highlighter to the 1% discussion.
    Unfortunately, the highlighter came with a big counterproductive distraction.
    Attempting to salvage from the highlighter.

Assuming that the comparrison to the Bolsheviks is correct, the path did not work out well for Russia.
    Likewise, the opposite polarity path for Brazil does not appear to be a good one either.

Seems like the best outcome we could get from the 1% talk is a better, working social bargain.
Things to consider fixing in that bargain:
      1) One should be held accountable for one's actions. (Especially if one is a banker who caused a problem.)
      2) One should not have to work to pay for the leisure time of others. (Entitlements, without a cost in time to the receiverare evil)
      3) A level playing field means equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. (No one left behind means everyong stays behind.)
      4) A growing attitude that it's about getting mine at any cost to all. (Especially inside the beltway and some parts of the medical industry.)
Things still working we need to keep:
      1) Bill of rights and rule of law seem pretty nice. (Our ability to have a civalized discussion.)
      2) The belief that this is America and we can do anythng we put out minds to. (See WWII, moon, and WWW)
      3) A well respected economic engine. (In spite of our eforts to kill it, the dollar is still well respected.)
      4) A general belief that inspite of all this, folks are generaly good and hard work in a useful area will be rewarded.

PS: For the immediate issue at hand (SF housing costs), NYC has rent controls which cause strange distortions, but proably work in general?
    (It would be a sort of annoying to the googoers to have thier money, but not be able to spend in on SF appartments.)

War on the American one percent? (3, Insightful)

GrumpySteen (1250194) | about 8 months ago | (#46072387)

It's not war until weapons come out and people start dying.

are they trying to make the nazis look good? (1)

skipkent (1510) | about 8 months ago | (#46072395)

you know, kristallnacht was bad, but the u.s. had its own pogroms during world war I against Germans in America. German businesses were smashed up, German printing presses were destroyed by mobs, etc.

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/... [gmu.edu]

Drift? (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 8 months ago | (#46072397)

I am pretty sure Americans have always been outraged when the 1% forced them out of their homes and made them move away.

It is all well and good to allow the ultra rich to offer you anything they want for your home and land. But then they literally force you to take an offer, and one not necessarily of a fair value, or go bankrupt and lose your home; Then people have historically gotten angry.

Re:Drift? (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 8 months ago | (#46072523)

But then they literally force you to take an offer, and one not necessarily of a fair value, or go bankrupt and lose your home;

I'm curious. HOW do they accomplish this?

Re:Drift? (2)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 8 months ago | (#46072563)

The summery itself mentioned this. These people are unable to pay rising property taxes....

If/when they start GASING us then we should worry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072403)

Until then don't make a bigger deal from it.

The guy is clearly a moronic sociopath (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072441)

...if he was just a sociopath, he would've been smart/experienced enough to realize that going public with this Nazi/Kristallnacht-comparison bullshit may not have been in his best interest.

But he apparently was too big of a moron to realize it. So moronic sociopath it is.

It is funny how many big corporations are ran by sociopaths. And how many multinationals are acting like complete psychopaths because of it. Too bad companies cannot be held 'personally' accountable, or otherwise we would have had mental institutions filled up with them. Apparently, when companies behave like sociopaths, it's ok... funny how that works.

bah (3, Interesting)

skipkent (1510) | about 8 months ago | (#46072443)

at a time when income disparity is at an all-time high in about the last 100 years. tom perkins is worried about some future backlash against the rich, while the political system has already sold out most of the public if anything does happen, when push comes to shove, he'll be able to take his money with him to singapore or hong kong like the russian oligarchs took theirs to london.

lol, he's written books
http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Sing... [amazon.com]
how self-absorbed do you have to be to write this?

Why do we pubslish these comments? (1)

Bradmont (513167) | about 8 months ago | (#46072457)

The man is obviously an idiot. Why do news sites carry these sorts of comments? If it weren't for the, "OMG LOOK WHAT THIS GUY SAID!!!" reactionary attention grab, these sorts of comments would get exactly the response they deserve: being ignored by everyone.

Obviously something of an exaggeration... but... (2)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 8 months ago | (#46072459)

These people are dangerous radicals if not in action then in concept. Their way of thinking... entitlement... and presumptions are dangerous.

We have people in SF that feel they're entitled to stop traffic to promote bicycles with some frequency. We have people that feel they're entitled to pour sugar in the tanks of industrial machinery for pretty much any construction project.

There is a strain of radical leftism in the SF area that really needs to get its public respect pulled. I am not saying pass a law. I am not saying persecute these people with government power. Rather, I am saying that they depend on a basic level on our acceptance of their behavior and we don't have to accept it.

Their actions are not respectable. It really should stop. Stop granting them respect for their behavior. Its unacceptable.

Re:Obviously something of an exaggeration... but.. (2)

Nyder (754090) | about 8 months ago | (#46072565)

These people are dangerous radicals if not in action then in concept. Their way of thinking... entitlement... and presumptions are dangerous.

We have people in SF that feel they're entitled to stop traffic to promote bicycles with some frequency. We have people that feel they're entitled to pour sugar in the tanks of industrial machinery for pretty much any construction project.

There is a strain of radical leftism in the SF area that really needs to get its public respect pulled. I am not saying pass a law. I am not saying persecute these people with government power. Rather, I am saying that they depend on a basic level on our acceptance of their behavior and we don't have to accept it.

Their actions are not respectable. It really should stop. Stop granting them respect for their behavior. Its unacceptable.

I don't agree. They are protesting what they think is unfair. How do you protest stuff you think is unfair, bitch about it on forums?

Re:Obviously something of an exaggeration... but.. (2)

Karmashock (2415832) | about 8 months ago | (#46072643)

Protesting is fine. Obstructing is not.

Its the difference between saying you disagree and getting in my way to stop me. It is the difference between holding a sign up and slashing my tires.

I have no problem with protesting. Protesting is fine.

My problem is with their belief that they can do more then protest.

They have rights... I agree. They have a right to protest.

I have a right to ignore them. That is my right. My right to not agree with them. They want to promote bicycles for example. I don't agree. I want to drive to work in the morning without being slowed down by their stupidity. I have a right to go to work without being intentionally slowed down by their protest.

These people exceed their rights and for that they deserve public scorn.

Strange how 85 people own half the earths wealth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072461)

Yet he compares himself to one of the 4million Jews murdered. Maybe this guy needs some time in the shower with the other 85.

Holy shit! (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072471)

I'm Jewish, and even I, or actually exactly because of that, am appalled!

What happened in the 3rd Reich was a low point in human history. Maybe _the_ lowest point, in that all semblance of humanity and compassion were foregone.

What's going on in California is class warfare with some misguided tactics. I can't blame the residents of the neighborhoods that fear from gentrification, even though I may (or may not, I can't really say for sure, as I don't have a better idea, to be honest) or may not have used their tactics.

Re:Holy shit! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072555)

You did it to yourselves in Egypt, Spain, France, Russia and now the USA. They all nazis too? That b.s. won't cut it. You'd gang up on a local business from surrounding businesses and underprice them out of existence and then raise your prices to usurious shylock levels. This IS how your cult/religion works. THEY ALL DO (including the masons on the other side), like any clique of power hungry men with 2" pricks do and for that very freudian reason. Power = attractive to the opposite sex and men are driven by it (which is why men think about it so much).

50% of posters 'advise' censoring other 50% (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 months ago | (#46072489)

what a shocker? textual phosphorization is not new either

I agree with the guy (1)

Orleron (835910) | about 8 months ago | (#46072497)

He does have a point if you think about it (even though he automatically loses his argument through Godwin's Law.) The media has a habit sometimes of picking on the money and the people, and not the system. It demonizes these rich folk as if making them rich automatically makes them bad people who got their money through illegal means. Most of them are guilty of nothing except success. They are just people like us. If you can't accept that thought, you are guilty of the whatever-the-term is..... It's sort of analogous to racism, in a way. Hating someone simply because their skin is a certain color, versus hating someone simply because their bank account has a certain balance. It's just as pointless. Again, the problem is the hate. If the media would focus on the problems with the system, and not the "evil rich people", they might have the moral high ground, but they don't. They could pick on the existence of lobbying, and tax breaks, and unequal opportunity.... and sometimes they do, but often they don't.

The old-time capitalists were smarter than today's (4, Insightful)

broward (416376) | about 8 months ago | (#46072501)

Today's capitalists are so all-consumed with greed that it's hard to imagine somebody like Henry Ford actually raising wages to his workers could buy mor stuff. Mister Super-Genius Tom Perkins probably can't even imagine an act like that, or imagine reducing the national workweek to 36 hours to force employers to broaden income distribution, which is really how the Great Depression was fixed (48-hour workweek reduced to 40).

Cry me a river when the government takes your obscene wealth away, Tom.

More like, Let Them Eat Cake (1)

taikedz (2782065) | about 8 months ago | (#46072537)

If the NSA were likened to Nazism - powerful entity oppressing the populace - that would be a validly debatable point.

In this occurrence, it's more like he's sitting in Versailles employing the plebes to trim his wigs into topiary. The "we're doing so much so good for these people" argument does not fly when you're on the receiving end of so much wealth, and it's the surrounding citizens that are unhappy.

From A Working Man (3, Interesting)

phmadore (1391487) | about 8 months ago | (#46072617)

Look, I've been, in one way or another, poor for most of my life. I have had money at various points and lost it doing stupid things. I intend to have money again now that I have a family. I believe that anyone with enough grit can make it. My wife and myself, we were both homeless travelling hippies when we met. In fact, she recently wrote a short blog [crunchymama.us] about this. We wouldn't have gotten off the street without some help from others, so I doubt we'll ever be as ungrateful as the typical wealthy are. I do not consider the rank and file at Apple, Google, or any other major tech firm to be wealthy, ruling class, or rich. These same progressives who are bitching about their perceived affluence would also shit their pants if these tech companies were to pay them wages comparable to the folks protesting. The more a company makes, the more a society makes, the more its lowest level members should make. That is the way capitalists have always said it should be, and it's really only when they pervert their own notion by giving CEOs 500 to 10,000% of what they pay their janitors that the corruption and bad decision-making begin to take place. Society rewards hard work but it too often rewards asskissing and outright lying, as well. Just my thoughts. I know my family will be fine no matter what; I always seem to figure something out. Still getting on our feet, now, but I'm willing to bet my income will be 300-450% of what it was last year. It takes faith, it takes grit. If I hadn't done it before, though, I don't think I'd feel equipped to do it now, so I recommend anyone who really wants to change their life to take a business class or something along those lines, because you will truly never break the economic chains as long as you have a boss profiting enjoying the fruits of your labor.
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