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Detroit Wants Its Own High-Tech Visa

samzenpus posted about 3 months ago | from the fixing-the-D dept.

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dcblogs writes "Detroit, a city in bankruptcy and dealing with a shrinking population, hopes to turn itself around with the help of 50,000 employment-based green cards. In exchange for the visa, an immigrant would be required to 'live and work' in Detroit for an undetermined length of time. The visas would be made available under the EB-2 visa category, a visa for advanced degree professionals or those deemed with 'exceptional ability' in the sciences, arts and business. The proposal was made by Michigan's governor, Rick Snyder. Daniel Costa, an immigration policy analyst at Economic Policy Institute, said Snyder would have more credibility on the issue if he were doing more to help workers in Detroit. In 2011, the state cut jobless benefits by six weeks to 20. 'I also think the federal government should be offering people in the U.S. some money and land in Detroit if they'll move there,' said Costa, or 'just offer it to people across the country who have advanced degrees.'"

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The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (5, Funny)

Shoten (260439) | about 3 months ago | (#46080645)

...a familiar lifestyle for people from third-world countries with high crime, corrupt cops and crumbling infrastructure.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080697)

The city has been terribly managed for decades. I'm not sure what ground Costa has on criticizing Governor Snyder here though.. the city was given years to clean up its act and didn't really do anything of note, so he only recently stepped in to get the city managed by competent people using Michigan's "emergency manager" laws. They city needs a rapid rise in tax base or a bailout.. since Americans aren't exactly flocking to Detroit (even though property is cheap and employment is available if you have skill) and bail out money isn't to be had, pleading for immigrant help isn't exactly off base. It's not even Snyder's original idea, this has been floated for awhile now.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080709)

...a familiar lifestyle for people from third-world countries with high crime, corrupt cops and crumbling infrastructure.

So just like LA, NYC, SF, etc...

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (2, Insightful)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about 3 months ago | (#46080855)

So just like LA, NYC, SF, etc...

With the possible exception of infrastructure, you obviously don't know jack about LA, NYC or SF. In case your name is Rip van Winkle, crime rates have been steadily declining for the last 20 years. Maybe you're worried about hippies too. Sorry, but none have been seen in the wild since the 1970's (and they were passe then).

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080877)

You obviously know jack about Detroit.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080891)

Who needs hippies when you are drowning in hipsters? (This is officially my 1000th and final hipster joke ever. Rejoice!)

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080965)

Who needs hippies when you are drowning in hipsters? (This is officially my 1000th and final hipster joke ever. Rejoice!)

I was making hipster jokes before they were cool.

Re: The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (0)

techprophet (1281752) | about 3 months ago | (#46081003)

And you're still making them after it was cool.

Re: The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (1, Offtopic)

Richy_T (111409) | about 3 months ago | (#46081175)

But now it's ironic.

Re: The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081281)

Which makes him a hipster!

Re: The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081407)

No, it hasn't been cool yet.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080711)

Wouldnt getting the real green cards be better for everyone involved both long term and short term?

Maybe 'must stay 1 year' or something would not be an unreasonable tradeoff...

However, most visa's are just a way to create a gov mandate a union. The union being 'i am an American' in this case.
http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/chap08p1.html
http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/chap20p1.html

However, the first state/city to move on 'we will help you move here from where ever' will see in 10-15 years a large influx of higher educated people. As they will enjoy a large group of people who feel like 'this is my new home'. As well as a large group willing to do what it takes to get things done. Instead of being isolationist we should welcome them. We are instead looking for every way to keep immigrants down.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (5, Interesting)

mlts (1038732) | about 3 months ago | (#46080729)

Portland suffered through this fate many years ago. There is one thing that will put Detroit back on the map, something California and Texas do not have...

Fresh water. Chip plants need it, businesses require this to run. When the major aquifers dry up and make sunbelt areas extremely expensive to live in (barring an advance in desalination, and even then, trying to pump that water inland), Detroit, and Michigan in general, will be relevant again. No water worries, fairly stable terrain (no earthquakes), worst issue might be blizzards.

I'd give Detroit a couple years for it to reach its nadir, because the one-two punch of a continual drought combined with the extreme populations trying to live in desert will eventually cause an exodus back to the northern climates, as that will be where the companies relocate and where the jobs will be.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080837)

Michigan will be fine but Detroit itself will still be a hellhole. The smart companies will just move farther north.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080899)

Michigan will be fine but Detroit itself will still be a hellhole. The smart companies will just move farther north.

The smart companies will move to Buffalo [buffalonews.com] .

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (1, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 months ago | (#46080883)

"barring an advance in desalination,"
actually we can do it now with desalination, no advancement really needed.

", Detroit, and Michigan in general, will be relevant again"
nope, never happen. Crappy weather, high crime, republican stripping away representation for all but about 50,000 people, no industry... nothing really.
It's a City, and state, mostly built on 1 industry that is now global.

And when the mid est dries up, well, the human race as we know it will be on the way out.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (5, Insightful)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about 3 months ago | (#46081057)

It's the Republicans' fault that Detroit is in the state that it's in?

Detroit has had one-party Democrat rule for more than two generations.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081299)

Don't you know that it doesn't matter how much one party is represented in the local, state and federal government, it's always the other party that is up to something crooked that is the cause of every problem.
 
Just like with the refusal by the Republicans to give another 85 billion dollars to the federal government.... An entity with trillions at its disposal and 85 billion nearly brings it to a grinding halt? Of course the near collapse of the government was the fault of the Tea Party. Right? In reality it's a way of the government showing the slave, er, I mean citizen that they'll take what they want and any attempt to stop them will make life hard on the little guy.
 
geekoid has either bought heavily into this lie or he's benefiting from the lie in some fashion. Hook, line and sinker. It's sad when you think of it, people willing to sell everyone else down river to make their party look good on paper. It's the fuel of today's political machine. My party, right or wrong.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (4, Informative)

tverbeek (457094) | about 3 months ago | (#46081167)

I don't know if Detroit will ever be "important" again, but Michigan as a whole has more going for it than former automotive plants, and "fresh water" only hints at it. That water's good for more than just drinking and industrial uses, after all: it's important for agriculture and has a whole lot of recreational potential too. The whole belt west of metro Detroit (and a bit to the north) is good for a variety of farming. North of that are countless forested lakes and rivers which are great for fishing and canoeing. And then there are the Great Lakes themselves, which have seasonal sandy beaches (think "California without the saltwater"), and are good for boating and also fishing. Lonely Planet listed Michigan's west coast and nearby Grand Rapids as their "top travel destination" for 2014, which is admittedly hype, but reflects well on the state's potential economic future, regardless of Detroit and the auto industry.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (0)

bdcrazy (817679) | about 3 months ago | (#46081267)

You think the great lakes are inexhaustible fresh water? Also, they are getting more and more polluted and more and more water is being removed each year. I believe that we are near the beginning as to how political it will be. It may rival the American southwest as to how much each municipality is allowed to take each year etc.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080741)

No kidding. Why would anyone from a third world shithole come to America and live in a third world shithole?

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (1)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | about 3 months ago | (#46080917)

...a familiar lifestyle for people from third-world countries with high crime, corrupt cops and crumbling infrastructure.

Add "required to live and work there", and you have created the US version of the 21st-century ghetto. Congratulations.

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about 3 months ago | (#46081039)

Detroit already is one big 21st-century ghetto... blight, ruined buildings, rampant crime, and rampant iPhones

Re:The real point of what Detroit has to offer... (2)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 3 months ago | (#46081087)

The city government has third world-style corruption, too, with pay to play for contracts and sham charities run by family members where you "donate", and some sister or child gets $100k/year to "manage", on top of "renting" a room in their house to it for work for a bargain of $4500/mo.

Give Us Opportunity, Not More Mouths to Feed (5, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 3 months ago | (#46080647)

Here's the problem with importing more and more workers: They're going to get fucked by the Big Boys just like the rest of is. I have no illusions about this.

How about Dan Costa's idea? If the feds want Detroit to live, offer business grants to get people to open up shop there, give the existing population work (instead of just importing more people), and give them the opportunity to lift themselves out of poverty.

Re:Give Us Opportunity, Not More Mouths to Feed (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about 3 months ago | (#46080819)

I think you've had enough decades of "fewer people=fewer problems" as an attempt to improve things.

Re:Give Us Opportunity, Not More Mouths to Feed (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 3 months ago | (#46081285)

I think you've had enough decades of "fewer people=fewer problems" as an attempt to improve things.

I'm not sure I get what you're laying down; how would importing foreigners to work in Detroit improve things for the millions of people living there already, moreso than encouraging Americans to do the same?

Re:Give Us Opportunity, Not More Mouths to Feed (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 3 months ago | (#46080951)

Open up shops to do what? Shops usually depend don't here buying a large employer to have a income base high enough to support shops.

And if you have a high tech degree, why would you want to start a business there? VC practically don't exist, you contemporaries are all on the coast. Try getting 10 million to start a software company in Detroit.

Detroit is just like every other city when the primary employment went away. It just happens to be a large 'mill town.,'

Re:Give Us Opportunity, Not More Mouths to Feed (4, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 3 months ago | (#46081083)

The idea that big business=everything is bullshit and backward. Big business is not supporting life in the US any longer and hasn't for years.

The idea is to make your city and town a place that isn't a hellhole for the creative. Stop giving tax abatements to huge corporations that are actually employing few workers and who are often seeing NEGATIVE taxation. Start giving some help to the small businesses instead of the big ones.

Of course this takes deep thinking and common sense which are at all time lows in the USA right now.

Re:Give Us Opportunity, Not More Mouths to Feed (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 3 months ago | (#46081401)

Open up shops to do what? Shops usually depend don't here buying a large employer to have a income base high enough to support shops.

You seem lack an understanding of the colloquialism, "to open up shop," as well as having a very limited definition of the term, "shop"

Probably not a lot of profit to be had for 'boutique' shops, but there are auto shops, carpentry shops, metalworking shops, etc., that would be quite viable in a place like The Motor City, regardless of it's current condition.

And if you have a high tech degree, why would you want to start a business there? VC practically don't exist, you contemporaries are all on the coast.

Right - why would foreigners with high-tech degrees want to start a business in Detroit? At least as Americans, we have a somewhat vested interest in keeping one of our large cities alive. I can imagine foreign companies selling off large tracts of land and assets the moment they take ownership, assuming they can find a buyer.

Try getting 10 million to start a software company in Detroit.

It still blows my mind that today, in an age where we can communicate instantly with people all over the planet, industries still tend to centralize geographically. Silicon Valley had a purpose at first, but I can't figure out for the life of me why anyone would want to invest, today, in companies that are based in one of the most business-and-individual-unfriendly regions of the nation.

Detroit is just like every other city when the primary employment went away.

Such as?

Why should Detroit get special treatment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080651)

They ran themselves into the ground. Let them suffer the consequences.

Federal govt give away land? (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about 3 months ago | (#46080665)

Does the federal government own land in Detroit?

Re:Federal govt give away land? (1)

operagost (62405) | about 3 months ago | (#46080753)

You'll have to forgive Costa. He's one of those folks who think we have a unitary government here, where D.C. would be calling all the shots. All those abandoned properties in Detroit are at the disposal of either the state or the city. That being said, I'm not sure a manifest destiny-era land giveaway would actually work today. There are vacant properties that will not sell for literally $1, because there are no infrastructure or services. It will take some incentives for investors to come in and create a new Detroit in these areas, but no politicians have the courage to do something that will be decried as "corporate welfare" to the political establishment.

Re:Federal govt give away land? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080865)

Will Congress and the Michigan legislature agree to enact legislation removing state jurisdiction from Detroit and making it a zone of exclusive federal jurisdiction? This would make it convenient because the Constitution most in part applies only to the STATES. Downes v. Bidwell allows Congress to rule with legislative supremacy like Parliament in federal zones.

Re:Why should Detroit get special treatment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080727)

The problem is that we tried to bail Detroit automakers out. We should have required that they sell to someone who was with the times. If we would have let them be bought up by other car makers with a clue about making reliable cars with low gas requirements, we would see those factories still open, but with a Toyota or Honda sign hanging over the door. True, there would be 3 or 4 rich Japanese men rather than 3 or 4 rich Americans in charge of the wealth generated, but we would still have employment in Detroit.

Re:Why should Detroit get special treatment? (5, Interesting)

SerpentMage (13390) | about 3 months ago | (#46080909)

You obviously don't know your own car makers do you? I grew up in North America, but live in Europe. Want to know a dirty little secret? I can get reliable low gas requirement AMERICAN cars in Europe. Around 1999 we bought a Jeep Wrangler and then took it to Canada. Since it was NORTH AMERICAN built we could import the car without problems. What was interesting was that the Jeep dealership who had to do some minor changes spent nearly 1.5 hours inspecting the car. We thought something was wrong and asked how come they took so long. Answer, "your Wrangler is Awesome it has so many efficiency features and electronics that I have never seen on sale here."

I recently had a discussion about this with an American and the problem is not the American car makers, but Americans. They want from their American car makers BIG FAT engines with BIG FAT chassis. Americans are not willing to go for the reliable low gas requirements cars because they are "wimpy" cars. The cars I drive here are American built and they are not wimpy. They might not have 600 HP, but who the frig cares since it is not that useful anyways. And even less useful in America...

Go figure, eh!

Re:Why should Detroit get special treatment? (2)

prefec2 (875483) | about 3 months ago | (#46080967)

I know this is an unfamiliar concept in the US, but the people in Detroit are in need and require help from the rest of the country. Their city structure is designed for a much larger population. Now the city must undergo a large transformation. First, it must be determined what the future for Detroit should be, otherwise it will end in chaos. Second, if the government and police are corrupt, this corruption must be ended. Third, initiatives to support start-ups and new businesses must be launched to support an initial growth impulse. To do all this, the state and the USA itself must support these steps. We had similar problems in North-Rhine-Westphalia and in East-Germany. In such situation you have two options: Let them solve their problem alone which will result in emigration of the skilled people to other regions or countries. The remaining people are mostly less skilled and educated, as their mobility is lower. Furthermore, women have a higher mobility than men, which will result in a men surplus, which often cause more violence.

From a civilizing view, this would be a catastrophe. It would also be disruptive to the state structure and therefor disruptive for any democratic society. As a state is a relevant construct for capitalism and the construction and coordination of a society, it is important to support Detroit.

Re:Why should Detroit get special treatment? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081249)

Wah wah wah. I shit my pants and now I want someone else to wipe my arse.

Glorious Detroit! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080661)

Behold the fruits of 50 years of uninterrupted Democratic rule [wikipedia.org] !

Re:Glorious Detroit! (5, Insightful)

operagost (62405) | about 3 months ago | (#46080795)

The Democratic Party should be the one imploding, not the GOP-- but the offer of free handouts is a tough one to campaign against. It's amazing how most failing cities have been under de facto on-party rule for decades, yet that party has managed to blame the other one for all its ills.

Not just handouts - public employee unions (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080895)

Look at how much of Democratic campaigns are funded by contributions from public employee unions.

We now have a government by the government for the government. AKA the Democratic Party.

Re:Not just handouts - public employee unions (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081103)

sheep echoing talking points.

BAA BAA BAA

Re:Not just handouts - public employee unions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081333)

sheep echoing talking points.

BAA BAA BAA

"If you like your plan, you can keep it." (until you can't)

"Warrantless wiretaps are unconstitional." (until you elect me!)

and never forget the saddest talking point of all, echoed by brainless shitheads who dream of become as smart as sheep one day:

"WARZ ON WIMMEN!!!"

Because immigrants aren't citizens... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080667)

It's nice to have slaves. They can't just pack up and go if they don't like it anymore unless they want their lives to be even worse. "Hello sir! I'm willing to suck your cock in Detroit. Much better than the cock I was sucking in India!"

Did anyone think of incentivising the "natives" to live and work in Detroit? Oh? They want too much money? They want to be able to live outside of work as well, have fun, holidays, kids, friends? The selfish fucks...

50 thousand new residents (1)

Salo2112 (628590) | about 3 months ago | (#46080671)

doing what? Haven't most people left because there aren't enough jobs? You want to pay off your debts, charge people an exit tax.

Re:50 thousand new residents (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 3 months ago | (#46080701)

doing what? Haven't most people left because there aren't enough jobs? You want to pay off your debts, charge people an exit tax.

Shhh ... they might be listening!

Re:50 thousand new residents (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080779)

84.3% are blacks. WTF do you want form a city like that?

Re:50 thousand new residents (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080799)

No, they left because of the niggers.

Looking for how the feds can help (1)

qbzzt (11136) | about 3 months ago | (#46080677)

It seems like a default position for state and municipal politicians to primarily look at how the federal government can help them. If anybody should pay people to come to Detroit, shouldn't it be Detroit or Michigan?

The visa issue has to be federal, of course.

Re:Looking for how the feds can help (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080797)

Ah, but this is part of a subtler and more insidious plan.

Lets think through this logically:
1) more skilled foreign talent arrives, and for some reason they go to Detroit
2) while walking through the ruins, skilled foreign talent gets mugged by local unskilled thuggery
3) skilled foreign talent takes the first opportunity to flee, and begins telling tales of the dangers of the USA
4) decrease in extranational interest in US work visas
5) more US tech jobs available for US techies

It's genius, I can hardly believe a politician could come up with the idea.

Wage Slavery (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080679)

America has come full circle.

That is just dumb (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080685)

If Detroit had 50.000 job positions for advanced degree professionals or those deemed with 'exceptional ability' in the sciences, arts and business, then it would not be in the shit-hole it currently is in.

Unemployment rate 17,7% (4, Interesting)

tompaulco (629533) | about 3 months ago | (#46080695)

With an unemployment rate of 17.7%, it doesn't look to me like they need MORE people imported to look for work. Looks to me like they need to be spurring businesses to start there so that they can hire some of these people who are looking for work.
As we well know, 17.7% means that these are the number of people on the eligible list of unemployment benefits...which they just cut to 20 weeks. So, it doesn't include the number of people who never found a job while they were on unemployment and now have neither a job nor can collect unemployment.

Re:Unemployment rate 17,7% (4, Insightful)

ebrandsberg (75344) | about 3 months ago | (#46080811)

I think the idea is that if they have visas to hand out to companies, the companies will be willing to put offices in Detroit for those people to work in. From there, services will be needed from the lower-skill people in the area, think food service, etc. This will then eat into the 17.1% unemployment. The problem isn't the number of workers but the type and skill of the workers, and getting things back in balance. I'm not sure this is the right solution to the problem, but I am willing to consider that it may be A solution to the problem for now.

Re:Unemployment rate 17,7% (3, Insightful)

generic_screenname (2927777) | about 3 months ago | (#46080985)

The unemployment rate varies by sector. Unemployment in manufacturing is very high for obvious reasons. Unemployment in sectors like IT is much lower, partly because it's so hard to convince talent to relocate to Detroit and/or stay in the area.

Re:Unemployment rate 17,7% (1)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about 3 months ago | (#46081105)

I think the idea is that if they have visas to hand out to companies, the companies will be willing to put offices in Detroit for those people to work in. From there, services will be needed from the lower-skill people in the area, think food service, etc. This will then eat into the 17.1% unemployment. The problem isn't the number of workers but the type and skill of the workers, and getting things back in balance. I'm not sure this is the right solution to the problem, but I am willing to consider that it may be A solution to the problem for now.

No doubt there are qualified Americans who would be willing to live and work in the Detroit area (somewhere around there anyway) if they were sufficiently financially motivated.

This is just another ploy for American corporations to pay as little as possible to their workers.

Re: Unemployment rate 17,7% (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080827)

Almost any American with enough skill and brains to make any positive impact to Detroit has already left Detroit. This is a desperate gamble to find some people who might be able to pay taxes and create businesses there. Screaming protectionism in the face of visas isn't going to help. The citizens living there have already let Detroit collapse.

Re:Unemployment rate 17,7% (2)

Vitriol+Angst (458300) | about 3 months ago | (#46080957)

It's the 21st Century my good man, it's time you put aside this notion of "trying something different" -- if not employing people local to Detroit caused the problem, in the 21st Century we try again to "not employ people."

I thought if you watched TV you would learn that "beating a dead horse" was our national pastime.

Re:Unemployment rate 17,7% (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081053)

He is asking for ADVANCED EDUCATED people, that frankly, rules out yanks (and most brits).

Re:Unemployment rate 17,7% (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 3 months ago | (#46081217)

These visas should be denied for the same reason renaissance zones (low tax areas) should be denied -- they prop up the old system rather than fix it.

People vote with their feet, fleeing the corruption and growing inefficiencies and taxes. This uses tricks of law to entice people back in...temporarily...where they just keep the dying heartbeat pulsing a little longer.

These are iatrogenic problems. The solution is not a pseudo-cure by attacking voting with your feet with "incentives".

Wait. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080723)

What about the 20+ million unemployed US citizens?

The people who are making this decision are part of the same group of people responsible for destroying Detroit.

Toledo, OH had high hopes following Detroit's economic/business model - they still do, even though they watched Detroit crash and burn.

We have become a country of sheep.

Good Idea I think (1)

goblinspy (2738809) | about 3 months ago | (#46080749)

I see the point. If you attract people who would normally not come to this area with an incentive of being part of America if you stay there and survive 5 years and also pay the taxes during that time as EB2 has wage guidelines. I think we might see some innovation. May be some company will setup shop there and have the workers work in Detroit but have clients all over. I see way too many opportunities for the city to come back. There are no jobs there right now for anyone so the government cannot give these non existent jobs to job hunting Americans. I also believe that they don't have money to relocate Americans by providing incentives.

Colonialism??? (5, Insightful)

jplourde (1972558) | about 3 months ago | (#46080755)

Doesn't using the phrase "an immigrant would be required to 'live and work' in Detroit for an undetermined length of time" sound a lot like an indentured labour program? It seems awfully familiar to what the Brits did to/in India during the 1800s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_indenture_system)

Re:Colonialism??? (1)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | about 3 months ago | (#46080861)

Doesn't using the phrase "an immigrant would be required to 'live and work' in Detroit for an undetermined length of time" sound a lot like an indentured labour program? It seems awfully familiar to what the Brits did to/in India during the 1800s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_indenture_system)

Actually it's exactly like indentureed servitude and it's been done long before the 1800's.

I suppose it's legal since these folks will be volunteers.

In the United States, the Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act (VTVPA) of 2000 extended servitude to cover peonage as well as Involuntary Servitude.

Re:Colonialism??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081387)

Actually it's exactly like indentureed servitude and it's been done long before the 1800's.

Its nothing like indentured servitude. No one says for WHOM you must work, just in what area.
In fact what it is, is a form of homesteading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_Acts

Re:Colonialism??? (4, Interesting)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about 3 months ago | (#46080893)

Doesn't using the phrase "an immigrant would be required to 'live and work' in Detroit for an undetermined length of time" sound a lot like an indentured labour program?

Yes. This whole idea is completely contrary to the American ideal of immigration. A permanent resident visa should is, should be, and always has been, for the entire country. You should no more be able to stop immigrants from moving anywhere in the country they want, than you should citizens. Something about the Constitution making this a united country, and the federal government controlling immigration.

Re:Colonialism??? (1)

dj245 (732906) | about 3 months ago | (#46081253)

Doesn't using the phrase "an immigrant would be required to 'live and work' in Detroit for an undetermined length of time" sound a lot like an indentured labour program?

Yes. This whole idea is completely contrary to the American ideal of immigration. A permanent resident visa should is, should be, and always has been, for the entire country. You should no more be able to stop immigrants from moving anywhere in the country they want, than you should citizens. Something about the Constitution making this a united country, and the federal government controlling immigration.

No, it actually isn't that much of a stretch. We have visas that tie residency to a certain company sponsoring the visa. If you change companies before citizenship becomes available, the new company has to sponsor you (which many companies don't care to do). So effectively the person is tied to that company in most cases. Tying a person to a specific geographical area isn't that much of a reach, but it is a terrible idea. Each desperate location will offer bigger and bigger incentives, create a race to the bottom, and the immigration system will be even worse than now.

Re:Colonialism??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080937)

Why are the current H1-Bs any different?

Re:Colonialism??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080973)

Or wht the Brits did to the German immigrants in the late 1600s... until they violently revolted.

Re:Colonialism??? (1)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about 3 months ago | (#46081027)

Doesn't using the phrase "an immigrant would be required to 'live and work' in Detroit for an undetermined length of time" sound a lot like an indentured labour program? It seems awfully familiar to what the Brits did to/in India during the 1800s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_indenture_system)

Except that presumably these immigrants would have the right to leave Detroit (and the USA) whenever they want.

Re:Colonialism??? (1)

darkwing_bmf (178021) | about 3 months ago | (#46081197)

American colonies had indentured servants in the 1700s. According to Wikipedia, about half of the voluntary European colonists during this period were indentured for a period of time before becoming free.

Re:Colonialism??? (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 3 months ago | (#46081305)

Right, and then just like in Tejas / Texas, they'll marry the local people, then have a revolt and join the uh...union? Chinese search engine Baidu is interested in expanding internationally. The trans-revolutionary name of Detroit, Michigan will be: Meng Tan tian, Daihatsu -- The former means something like flat, smooth, quiet, peaceful in Chinese; The latter is a Japanese automaker (note that the 'first' and 'last' names get swapped around).

The manufacturing we once relied on Detroit's for is now done overseas. Nevada could face similar problems when gambling and sex work is legalized. Since they're positioned between California and the rest of the nation, Nevada would be logistically natural home for call-centers. Their temporary revolutionary name will be Devadas -- Indian for "servant of the gods".

I've heard of this idea before. (1)

GT66 (2574287) | about 3 months ago | (#46080789)

The concept of "company town" gets a spit and polish for the 21st century. Good job repackaging yesterday's failed concepts, Detroit!

Old news!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080809)

I heard this 4 days ago on NPR!! While Slashdot, was spreading culturally bias, political leaning 'news' about about fisherman in Japan.
FU - samzenpus

solutions (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080829)

They should build walls around the city so their remaining citizens cannot leave.

How about they employ the people living here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080857)

Oh that's right... nobody is willing to pay higher than slave wages anymore.

Re:How about they employ the people living here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080945)

Oh that's right... nobody is willing to pay higher than slave wages anymore.

I'm fairly certain most jobs pay more than zero. Ergo, your comment is false.

Re:How about they employ the people living here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081139)

I smell corporate sycophantry...

They're *educated* foreigners (3, Insightful)

Slashdot Parent (995749) | about 3 months ago | (#46080915)

How are you going to convince someone with an advanced degree to settle in effing Detroit? They are going to want to escape the poverty of the third world!

The problem facing Detroit is not a lack of people with advanced degrees. The problem is decades of life under a corrupt mayor, high crime, crushing taxes, over-regulation, and shitty weather.

The situation is improving a lot lately, but it has a long way to go. You can't solve this overnight by issuing a bunch of visas. Detroit needs to get serious about redevelopment, crime prevention, and attracting business. Once there are good jobs there, you'll have plenty of Americans with advanced degrees going there. I don't have to remind you that we're in the midst of a "jobless recovery".

All of these things are happening already. It's just a slow process to undo decades of mismanagement.

Re:They're *educated* foreigners (4, Insightful)

stewbee (1019450) | about 3 months ago | (#46081265)

I grew up in what most people would call Detroit. More specifically, in the Detroit metropolitan area. I left Michigan in 2004 when I finished college, and I have an advanced degree (MSEE). I actually have started to apply to jobs back in Michigan. There are a few reasons for this.

1. There are a lot of jobs there right now. Seriously, go to monster and search for engineering jobs in Detroit and Ann Arbor.
2. The cost of living is ridiculously low. We are talking great 3-4 bedroom houses in nice areas for around 250k. In most tech job locations around the country (Boston, Silicon Valley, etc), this doesn't buy you squat. other things are much cheaper too, like food and gas compared to where I am living now.
3. I still have family there, so it would be nice to be able to make a quick drive to see my relatives.

Now that said, there is certainly a certain type of person they are looking for in these jobs that makes getting past the HR filters difficult. Many of open positions are looking for people that have had automotive experience before, which I don't have. So in spite of having many of the other qualifications, I think that I will have a difficult time for this reason alone.

And I hate to have to say this over and over again to people, but Detroit is just one city in the area. While I agree that Detroit has been mismanaged, the rest of the area is quite nice and look forward to moving back someday.

Don't forget the weather... (0)

RocketScientist (15198) | about 3 months ago | (#46080927)

So yeah, snow, ice, snow, sleet, ice, cold rain, snow, sleet, and ice.

Sorry, any place that advertises, among its many amenities, great ice fishing isn't somewhere I want to live.

"Hey, you can move to Detroit and freeze your ass off 6 months a year, or you can live anywhere south of there and it's better!"

Yeesh.

Money and land? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080931)

Maybe they can offer 40 acres and a mule to move there.

the numbers don't work out on this (1)

Goldsmith (561202) | about 3 months ago | (#46080941)

There are about 150,000 EB-2 visas given out every year. 1/3 of those are going to go to Detroit? Maybe they'll increase the total by 50k just for Detroit, that would still be 1/4 of the granted EB-2 visas. There is tremendous demand for these, and someone (a US business) usually pays for the substantial legal bills for the application. The people who get these visas don't grow on trees, it's probably the most competitive one you can go for, depending on where you're from. I've known experienced scientists who haven't qualified for it.

When working with the homeless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46080955)

Many have not checked out of society, they have been pushed out due to their values of ethics, hardwork and knowledge. If you want cars that fall apart like software, go ahead. just make sure your license agreement demonises the user as a "hacker".

High Tech VISA (1)

rossdee (243626) | about 3 months ago | (#46080959)

They should talk to Bank Of America, or Citi
They have cards with the new chip technology to prevent fraud

What am I missing? (3, Insightful)

wcrowe (94389) | about 3 months ago | (#46081001)

Am I missing something here? Who are these 50,000 people supposed to work for? The article vaguely mentions them, "opening businesses", but I have to ask, open businesesses doing what?

They should pay people to move OUT of Detroit (1)

rollingcalf (605357) | about 3 months ago | (#46081017)

Help people get a new start in another city with more job opportunities, don't bring in more people when unemployment there is so high.

Keynsianomics (0)

drfred79 (2936643) | about 3 months ago | (#46081041)

Always makes me laugh to hear the argument that extending unemployment benefits increases employment. They are contradictory, obviously.

Re:Keynsianomics (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 3 months ago | (#46081163)

Ok.. provide the citation!

Just because it is contradictory in your brain doesn't mean that is what reality is.

Really... go ahead. Show the citation that unemployment benefits increases unemployment. You won't do it because the data show exactly the opposite!

Re:Keynsianomics (0)

Red_Chaos1 (95148) | about 3 months ago | (#46081195)

Always makes me laugh to hear ignorant folks like you spout off like leaving people flapping in the breeze is a good way to do things.

People having 0 income, slowly losing everything they own up to and including a place to live, and being unable to drive anywhere to find jobs or make it to interviews certainly won't increase employment. So tell me, Mr. Smarty Man (or Woman), what's the better way to do things? You're clearly a pillar of economic know how, tell Detroit exactly how to get out of the mess their in.

We're waiting.

Re:Keynsianomics (2)

geoffrobinson (109879) | about 3 months ago | (#46081367)

At some point, if you can't find a job, you need for the greater good to settle for what you can find. For example, after the construction bubble popped in housing, should we just keep construction workers on permanent unemployment? Or should we encourage them to do something different with their lives?

What will they do? (2)

Virtucon (127420) | about 3 months ago | (#46081051)

There's a lot of decay in Detroit, so much so that it's unattractive to new businesses. Even if you get get more workers into Detroit, what would they do for a living? Plow down more blocks of vacant, dilapidated houses? As has been said here, the unemployment rate in Detroit is in the high teens and if there's ever going to be a re-birth, what has to happen is that businesses need to be able to move back into Detroit and that requires a solid government and a solid infrastructure otherwise you may just as well bulldoze the rest down.

But letting immigrants in would ruin GOP chances! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081229)

We musn't have that!

Escape route to Canada (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081245)

I think Costa missed a big selling point for Detroit - proximity to Canada. If things keep getting worse instead of better, you're only a bridge away from Windsor, Ontario, Canada! Mexicans upset with low employment and poverty go North and cross the border for a better in the States. That same option is available to us! Southern Ontario has the same climate as Detroit, nicer people, generic drugs, and way less gun and violent crime. Sounds like a solution to me!

(The thing is - even I don't know if know if I'm joking or not...)

that's racist. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081341)

Isn't one Detroits problems high unemployment?

So, the solution is to bring people in to work?

What does that say about the people who are there?

What's the interest rate on this Visa card? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46081399)

I'm sure the City of Detroit would make some decent coin from the transaction fees plus the interest rate on the Visa card balance.

Good idea.

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