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But ... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46086929)

But ... do they come with the schematics to produce replacement parts for your now overpriced and under supported Dell 3D printer?

Re:But ... (4, Interesting)

game kid (805301) | about 3 months ago | (#46087027)

It's MakerBot, so they'll offer that as a bullet point and then send you an addendum that says "About that schematics thing...lolno" in hazy corporatespeak [makezine.com].

Re:But ... (2)

mnt (1796310) | about 3 months ago | (#46089363)

This. MakerBot turned from an open source darling to the corporate evil we all hate today. And it's about time to leave Thingiverse (now called Makerbot Thingiverse, including Makerbot ads) and go to youmagine, cubehero or others because it's gotten just way too makerbot centric.

Re:But ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46093985)

Agreed.

and besides all that, though, the 'proprietary' Makerbots are pieces of shit. There were several huge bad design issues; the plunger was such huge crap that they had to redesign the extruder (which wpthomas and whowhatsis actually fixed prior to that), and the thermal barrier tube was straight up stainless with no PTFE insulator and caused overheating and burning in the barrel.

The frame is nice, the motors were fine, the mightyboard seems fine, but the Replicator 2 extruder is a piece of crap. It's a fricking shame that my Printrbot extruder is better engineered than that Makerbot one. I'm no printrbot fan, either, but I'll give it credit where it's due, and their extruder blows the Replicator 2 extruder away.

Re:But ... (1)

AndyKron (937105) | about 3 months ago | (#46089935)

They used to, and I have them, but now they're not open source anymore, so I'd buy a different one next time.

The prices will be great (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46086959)

*with the Dell mail-in rebate

Product Lineup (5, Informative)

NFN_NLN (633283) | about 3 months ago | (#46087089)

Here is the product lineup Dell plans to sell:

MakerBot Replicator 2 Desktop 3D Printer – 100-micron layer resolution and a 410-cubic-inch build volume priced at $2,199.
MakerBot Replicator 2X Experimental 3D Printer – features experimental dual extrusion optimized for printing with MakerBot ABS Filament, available for $2,799.
MakerBot Replicator Mini Compact 3D Printer – fast and easy one-touch 3D printing will be available in the spring at an anticipated price of $1,375.
MakerBot Replicator Desktop 3D Printer – provides a large build volume and fast print times to accelerate rapid prototyping and model making, available for pre-order at $2,899.
MakerBot Replicator Z18 3D Printer – massive build volume and the best price to performance ratio in its category, available in the spring of 2014 for $6,499.
MakerBot Digitizer Desktop 3D Scanner – optimized for use MakerBot Replicator Desktop 3D Printers and MakerBot Thingiverse, available at the price of $949.

So it looks like $1,375 is the base price.

Welcome to Dildos R Us (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46087097)

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Re:Welcome to Dildos R Us (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46087469)

Feeling too small? Add $9.99 per inch to get the dildo size that your woman truly desires.

Re: Welcome to Dildos R Us (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46090625)

They already have diy kits for this. I doubt anyone wants to pay $1400 instead of $75. Just sayin'

Re:Welcome to Dildos R Us (1)

DickBreath (207180) | about 3 months ago | (#46091103)

There is one minor problem that Dell might run into. In certain states, they won't be able to sell much of the refill supplies for the printer.

The state of Arizona has a limit of only two dildos per household. Therefore your girlfriend won't be allowed to have one for herself. And after you have printed your limit of two, you will have no need to ever reorder refill supplies for your shiny new 3D printer.

Just Google for "arizona dildo limit" [google.com]. Yes, seriously. Not kidding.

Now, if I can use the files for metal sintering... (1)

mlts (1038732) | about 3 months ago | (#46087229)

I'm working on some hinge designs for something for a renaissance faire, so it would be nice if the files Makerbot uses could be handed to a metal sintering company to make the identical object... but made from Iconel.

I wonder how this will turn out. Dell resells a lot of products, so it does make sense, as it does keep them as a one stop shop for businesses.

I'm probably sure (please correct if I am wrong) there are better printers for the money, but Makerbot seems to have their act together the best for getting stuff made.

Re:Now, if I can use the files for metal sintering (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46087473)

Why limit yourself to sintering? Products are made with all sorts of processes these days. Prototype on your 3D printer and use something designed for mass production to make your final product. Sintering is likely to price you out of the market.

Re: Now, if I can use the files for metal sinterin (2)

Brad Goodman (2906427) | about 3 months ago | (#46087539)

MakerBot's software can use .STL files as their standard input. Pretty much any additive process can use STL. MakerBot's software is more to run the machine - your asking about capabilities of the software to design the part in the first place.

Also, I know people that use actual objects created on MakerBot specifically to use mold-making for metal casting - so that would be an option for you too.

Re:Now, if I can use the files for metal sintering (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46088835)

and your 3d printing a hinge? why? http://borealissteel.com/Articles/Hinges/Hinge_Construction.html this is what I use for my period Medieval hinges.

Re:Now, if I can use the files for metal sintering (1)

necro81 (917438) | about 3 months ago | (#46089821)

be nice if the files Makerbot uses could be handed to a metal sintering company

I'm not sure what you mean by this. If you are referring to the *.stl file representing the part geometry (before slicing, rastering, and toolpath generation), then you need look no further. stl files are the lingua franca of 3D printing; any company that accepts files for printing will take this. You may have to search around for a company that does inconel (not really keeping with the renaissance period, eh?), but there are plenty of companies that could do it in other metals.

Not just "another IT purchase"... (2, Interesting)

Brad Goodman (2906427) | about 3 months ago | (#46087241)

I can understand their desire to get I to this business - but as it stands now, this is sort of a "specialized" market and customer. It's not just like an IT department is going to throw one in on an order because "their vendor" (Dell) sells them.

Much more likely to be purchased by an artistic, engineering, manufacturing-type of group - under greater control and scrutiny than "I need a [standard] PC" like a lot of boilerplate Dell IT purchases.

Maybe these consumers would go with Makerbot, maybe not - but their gonna need the machine with the right specs - not just whoever is on the approved vendor list.

So - don't know if this will be good for MakerBot and Dell. But then again, maybe I'm just short sighted - and a few years 3D printers will be as ubiquitous as 2d ones - and that's the game they want to be in.

Re: Not just "another IT purchase"... (0)

Brad Goodman (2906427) | about 3 months ago | (#46087253)

AND (I forgot to mention)

I bought a Dell laser printer a few years back. I think it's made by Brother, or Lexmark, or some other second-rate manufacturer. BIG MISTAKE. It sucks, and the drivers suck. Will never do that agin. Buy a printer from a real printer company, not "a PC" company that decides to go into the printer game.

Not looking forward to their future 3D offerings.

Re: Not just "another IT purchase"... (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about 3 months ago | (#46087721)

Brother laser printers are actually pretty damn good. Not only are they cheap, but the drivers *work* without installing a bunch of shit along with them. Not only that but I have an 8 year old printer that they stopped selling about 5 years ago and they still provide updated drivers for new versions of Windows and Linux.

Re: Not just "another IT purchase"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46088843)

it would be all rights if Dell didn't add their own "custom" software and change drivers so they work though their "added value-ware" A brother printer from brother works great!, and Brother printer from dell is slow, sluggish and glitchy

Re: Not just "another IT purchase"... (1)

DrXym (126579) | about 3 months ago | (#46089629)

Brother make pretty good printers. I have an all-in-one inkjet which does a good job and most importantly for me lets me use 3rd party cartridges without issue. That said, I see absolutely no reason to buy a Dell badged version of any printer. It *will* cost more. It *will* be laden down with crapware. It *will* suffer from poorer support and possibly proprietary cartridges.

What's the point? It's just another thing Dell sell so they can nickel and dime people on their long march through to the checkout.

Some value added features (5, Funny)

MobyDisk (75490) | about 3 months ago | (#46087259)

In true Dell tradition, it will come with some additional features not present in the regular Makerbot Replicators:

* The custom Dell firmware will be the same as the regular Makerbot firmware, but will come with additional Dell branded support features that make your printer go 1/2 the speed. You can however, uninstall these tools.

* It will come with free red filament, a 30-day free trial blue filament, a "light" green filament.
The red filament will not be compatible with your new 3D printer. The blue filament will automatically bill your credit card after 30 days even if you have not used it. The "light" green filament is half the diameter of the "full" green filament and will cause your prints to break. You can optionally upgrade this to the "full" green filament for half price.

Re:Some value added features (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about 3 months ago | (#46088893)

you forgot

* and your 3d printer will only come with windows 8 drivers and bloatware

They better do something (3, Insightful)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 3 months ago | (#46087385)

When you're number three in the PC market, behind acquisition-minded HP and Lenovo, it's not as if you can rest on your laurels.

As a plus for me and mine personally, I welcome the spread of 3D printers to bring the cost of my future purchase way, way down.

Re:They better do something (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46087995)

As a plus for me and mine personally, I welcome the spread of 3D printers to bring the cost of my future purchase way, way down.

And the speed and capabilites way, way up.

Mark my words, this is the 1x writable CD burner of the current tech generation.

Our Makerbot sucks, why do we want another? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46087747)

Having/using/bangingMyHeadAgainstAWallRepeatedlyBecauseOf/beingMightilyDissapointedBy a makerbot 2x at work, I hope Dell are ready for the tech support nightmare that is going to be involved in this endeavor.

Don't ask me why, but we are still thinking of purchasing a Z18 when they come out. Seems like it is worth a go before we go buying a $140,000 Stratasys Fortus and associated infrastructure to support one.

Also, Bre Pettis is a cock.

Re:Our Makerbot sucks, why do we want another? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about 3 months ago | (#46091153)

Having/using/bangingMyHeadAgainstAWallRepeatedlyBecauseOf/beingMightilyDissapointedBy a makerbot 2x at work, I hope Dell are ready for the tech support nightmare that is going to be involved in this endeavor.

That, I think, is actually a major problem. 3D printers are high-maintenance things and half the time, things don't go right. Of course, you only find out hours later after it's halfway done that for some reason the whole mass shifted and what you got is now crooked.

Especially since it appears that they work great initially, then after a month, you need to recalibrate and do maintenance or the extruders jam up or produce erratic output.

And heck, nevermind the disaster that Joe Average would have - they need something tomorrow, they queue it up to print overnight, and midway through something happens and it screws up.

Of course, after all the re-printing of the same job until it comes out right, one might just give up and send it to Shapeways for them to print and mail it out - probably is quicker and they have people there to sit by the printer and make sure things go right.

Re:Our Makerbot sucks, why do we want another? (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | about 3 months ago | (#46093867)

FTFY:

That, I think, is actually a major problem. Low-priced amateur 3D printers are high-maintenance things and half the time, things don't go right.

This really is a solved problem, just not in the low-cost market.

I have a Makerbot Replicator at home, which is unreliable. My employer has a Stratasys. It requires only yearly maintenance, and it never fails a print. When I described my Makerbot woes to the mechanical engineers here at work, they were all surprised. They just thought of the devices as being reliable like office printers. Things like prints not sticking, some shapes not being printable, things coming out the wrong size, or manually calibrating were all news to them. The Stratasys control panel doesn't even let you change slicing settings or temperature settings. It just works.

I learned that there is a reason for that 100k+ price tag.

Re:Our Makerbot sucks, why do we want another? (1)

yurtinus (1590157) | about 3 months ago | (#46094467)

While I agree with the gist of this thread - I do think it's exciting to see some mainstream interest (and mainstream money) being put into consumer-grade 3d printers. Dell might not be the ideal company for it, but I still consider it another step toward having commodity 3d printers whose capabilities we can take for granted (just like our CD burners or laser printers).

Re:Our Makerbot sucks, why do we want another? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46091425)

Get a Kossel and be done with it. Well made delta bots are way more reliable than Cartesian bots.

I been 3d printing state seals and forging (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46087837)

every document known to mankind.

Great! (2)

kamapuaa (555446) | about 3 months ago | (#46087877)

This will really help companies that need to make plastic cups and little toys - and in a hurry!

Re:Great! FTFY (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46088045)

This will really help companies that need to make plastic cups and little toys - and NOT in a hurry!

FTFY

Contracting to the NSA and Pee-Testing Programmers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46087993)

Dude, I'm not getting a Dell.

Re:Contracting to the NSA and Pee-Testing Programm (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about 3 months ago | (#46088905)

Pee-Testing Programmers

good idea... fuck knows what drugs the windows 8 developers at microshaft are on

Makes no sense for businesses (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46088311)

As someone in an organization which owns a Makerbot (a university branch of IEEE), I can't imagine a good business case for the things. They need CONSTANT maintenance and the prints are pretty low quality, even when they're not warped (which may take several attempts at tweaking temperatures of either the extruder or headed bed). The same applies to any of these extrusion printer models. Any company with an actual need for rapid prototyping would be much better served by either an SLS or stereolithography printer. Yeah, they're fairly pricy and the consumables are more expensive than ABS filament, but I'd imagine that pretty much any hardware design firm pays their employees enough that it'd be a waste for them to spend so much time fiddling around with getting an extrusion printer to actually work properly.

Re:Makes no sense for businesses (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46088915)

same goes for those Berkley geeks working with ARPANET, and those MIT dorks that developed the Apollo Guidance Computer... it will never turn into anything... what a bunch of college dweebs

Way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46088441)

I wouldn't put my product's reputation on the line by associating with that company. Way to go MakerBot...me thinks you should be preparing for damage control by March.

3D printer rush (1)

zdzichu (100333) | about 3 months ago | (#46088683)

Dell also made the news by buying out the whole capacity of some polish startup: http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/... [techcrunch.com]

Re:3D printer rush (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46094099)

Dell's going to manufacture polish? Why? And what kind of polish?

This gives me a bad feeling. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46089345)

How long before they start trying to sell you models to print from, and sue the shit out of thingiverse / anyone else offering free models online? If the law isn't on their side, then I'm sure the appropriate legislation can be purchased.

How long before they start trying to shut down reprap for 'copying Dell'? (Yeah, I know it's bullshit, but if you have enough money, law and logic need not apply to you.)

How long before they add firmware that prevents the printer from printing its own replacement parts?

Sorry, but "open source tool to build your own shit for not much more than the cost of materials and energy" is wholly incompatible with "multi-national business that makes squillions of dollars selling hardware."

bad idea (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about 3 months ago | (#46090321)

Anyone who thinks partnering with Dell is a good idea is clueless and stuck in the 90's. These days if your product is sold by Dell, it's automatically labeled overpriced and under performing junk that will break very quickly. You know, like all Dell printers, monitors, PCs, and laptops, and basically everything else they sell. Even the Dell brand laptop bags fall apart.

Re:bad idea (1)

GameMaster (148118) | about 3 months ago | (#46090695)

Too late, Makerbot products were already labelled as over-priced and under-performing in the 3D printing community (among anyone who knows anything about the many competing products like Ultimaker, Lulzbot, and any of the other far less expensive 3d scanners out there). It sounds like a match made in heaven to me.

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