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Sony Selling Off VAIO Computer Business

timothy posted about 9 months ago | from the turns-out-it-wasn't-vaioable dept.

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Kensai7 writes "Confirming reports from earlier in the week, Sony has announced plans to sell off its VAIO computer division to a Japanese investment fund. Japan Industrial Partners (JIP) will take control of the operation for an undisclosed fee, and Sony will 'cease planning, design and development of PC products.' For a variety of reasons 'including the drastic changes in the global PC industry,' Sony says 'the optimal solution is to concentrate its mobile product lineup on smartphones and tablets and to transfer its PC business to a new company.'" I have some nostalgia for the tiny old VAIO laptops; I wish more companies incorporated the swiveling camera that they came with.

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Sad news (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46172901)

i am on my 3rd sony vaio product - have been using them for the past decade pretty much. OMG. Sony's vaio design team is awesome!!! Very sad news.

Re:Sad news (5, Funny)

Koen Lefever (2543028) | about 9 months ago | (#46172927)

Mod -1 ontopic.

Re:Sad news (1, Interesting)

andreicristianpetcu (1964402) | about 9 months ago | (#46173187)

Another company ruined by WIndows 8. Why don't computer manufacturers switch already to GNU/Linux distros? ElementaryOS, LinuxMint, Ubuntu, OpenSUSE. There are lots of choices.

Re:Sad news (4, Insightful)

Scutter (18425) | about 9 months ago | (#46173239)

Because only a tiny percentage of PC users want to use (or have even heard of) Linux. Like it or not, we are in the minority.

Re:Sad news (0)

jedidiah (1196) | about 9 months ago | (#46174025)

> Because only a tiny percentage of PC users want to use (or have even heard of) Linux. Like it or not, we are in the minority.

Plenty of people want to use Linux. Plenty of people want to use something else. They just can't get beyond this "it must be DOS compatible" mental block on tends to associate with PCs.

The entire PC platform is a victim of decades of pervasive FUD. The whole thing may go down because people can't separate PCs from the crapulence that is Microsoft.

Re:Sad news (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46174223)

(Score: 5, Absurd)

They just can't get beyond this "it must be DOS compatible" mental block on tends to associate with PCs.

Fortunately, Windows 95 should resolve that pesky reliance on DOS and free us from the tyranny of the command line. Then, X Windows FTW! Jeesh, KDE is just as good. And Gnome uses callbacks! VISAFB all the way!

I'm placing my bets on SCO OpenServer. HP-UX is obsolete. Netcraft confirms it.

Re:Sad news (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | about 9 months ago | (#46174317)

You think it's absurd but I actually remember when the Microsoft hegemony started. It wasn't with Windows 95. It was long before.

People like to pretend that something other than the biggest turd available won the market. It hurts their brains to contemplate it.

Re:Sad news (2)

Bert64 (520050) | about 9 months ago | (#46174061)

And the primary reason for that is that the manufacturers are not promoting machines running it, and are sometimes even prevented from doing so by agreements with MS.

Very few people actually want to use windows either, most use whatever is available and don't actually care what it is. A lot of people actually hate windows, and only tolerate it because they are unaware or afraid of any alternatives.

Most of the arguments against linux are entirely bogus and have been proven untrue. With appropriate marketing from hardware manufacturers and a half decent distro (ie not the crap unsupportable distros netbooks often had), linux would sell just fine. At the very least a dual boot system could be offered, with appropriate marketing about the benefits of using it.

As for the arguments often levelled against linux:

Lack of drivers - this only matters for post-purchase install, if your supplying linux with the hardware then you're going to be supplying linux compatible hardware.
Difficult to install - as above, if its supplied with hardware it will already be installed. plus linux is actually easier to install than windows these days anyway.
Can't buy boxed software - as if people do this anyway, linux distros use a repository system, and apple/google have proven that users actually like this approach.
Unfamiliar software - most people pretty much only browse the web, you have firefox and chrome on linux and you don't hear people complaining that safari on ipad is unfamiliar.
Lack of games - true, although its improving with steam etc, and relatively few people play many games (hence the popularity of integrated gfx which arent up to the job of playing games), a lot play online flash games which work on linux,

Re:Sad news (4, Insightful)

maynard (3337) | about 9 months ago | (#46174375)

Most of the arguments against linux are entirely bogus and have been proven untrue.

Here is the problem with Linux. And *BSD as well.

It doesn't run the commercial software I need to successfully fulfill my objectives.

We can point our fingers at Adobe, Microsoft, and other commercial players who limit access of their apps to expand their own markets at the expense of Linux. But the model that open source would engender network effects and overtake commercial players who would shoot their own feet by refusing to develop on the platform...well, that turned out to be false.

The open source community beat commercial players on a limited playing field in server space. And then the commercial players changed the game. Ironically, Linux has become even more irrelevant as a populist movement because of its backend success.

The Linux desktop lost for valid reasons. It's been out there long enough to catch hold and it hasn't. It's long past time to look inward on that front. It's popular failure is entirely self-inflicted.

Re:Sad news (3, Informative)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 9 months ago | (#46174417)

You live in a funny world -

In MY world, sucks to be me I suppose, I have to use PROGRAMS. That are only written for Windows (maybe OS X, but few Enterprise programs are in OS X). Those PROGRAMS won't run on Linux or WINE (or Windows 7 but that's another issue).

In MY world, we have to attach to a network with fairly strict controls. Yes, a Linux network could do that, but since Linux won't run the PROGRAMS, it's hardly worth the effort.

PROGRAMS, PROGRAMS, PROGRAMS. Yes, the various distros have wonderful repositories for free software. Some of it excellent. A lot of it crap.

Your narrow world is just one reason why Linux won't displace Windows. Linux has, and will continue to make inroads into computing at a number of levels, the desktop does not appear to be one of them.

Re:Sad news (0)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about 9 months ago | (#46173507)

I think it would be more accurate to say, "another company ruined by the iPad"

Re:Sad news (1)

xclr8r (658786) | about 9 months ago | (#46173613)

Or ruined by themselves. I remember at least the early vaio's had proprietary fire wire connections and I haven't looked back since.

Re:Sad news (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about 9 months ago | (#46173991)

Although I agree with you about not wanting to buy such a PC, it's mostly neckbeards who care about that kind of stuff.

For most consumers a PC is a disposable item they use for a year or two, and they don't know what a firewire is.

Re:Sad news (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about 9 months ago | (#46174219)

> Although I agree with you about not wanting to buy such a PC, it's mostly neckbeards who care about that kind of stuff.

Except it's really only Apple fanbois that care one way or the other about firewire in general.

Re:Sad news (1)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about 9 months ago | (#46174339)

Ok, to be precise:

Neckbeards care about firewire interoperability and wouldn't buy a PC with a proprietary connector even if they don't actually use firewire

Apple fanbois, who for some reason might have been considering a Sony laptop instead of a Macbook despite their status as fanbois, might have cared. Or they might just have bought an adapter, which they are well used to doing.

Re:Sad news (0)

snaggl3tooth (730647) | about 9 months ago | (#46173769)

I haven't been redirected once to beta yet. Is there something wrong with my computer? I'm being serious.

Re:Sad news (0)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about 9 months ago | (#46173867)

If you find out, please share it with the rest of us so we can also avoid the beta.

Re:Sad news (3, Interesting)

MMC Monster (602931) | about 9 months ago | (#46173917)

Oddly enough, not one story on slashdot in the last couple days about Beta. So, of course, we discuss it in every other story on the site.

I tried it again today and if you think the article and comments sections are horrible, you should see the user profile section.

We cannot see how many replies a comment we had written has received. I find this an important tool to answer questions I have (just look at some of my previous comments) about the topic at hand.

Why couldn't they have just adjusted the style sheet a bit and let everything else stay the same? If they wanted to open up another site, they could have just done that and left /. alone. The domain name can't be *that* lucrative for them.

Re:Sad news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46172933)

They've been crap for 5+ years

Re:Sad news (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46172991)

Complaining in the comments is not enough! This is the person responsible for beta. Contact her, buy a LinkedIn subscription if you have to, and tell her what you think.

Note: it seems that links no longer work in beta. Here is the URL: http://www.linkedin.com/in/alicehill

Re:Alice Hill, President of Slashdot Media (0, Flamebait)

2phar (137027) | about 9 months ago | (#46173153)

"Proven track record innovating and improving iconic websites ( Slashdot.org, Sourceforge.net) while protecting their voice and brand integrity"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You can't replace CmdrTaco with someone who has "10+ years experience managing large-scale consumer Web properties"

Re:Sad news (1)

Wookact (2804191) | about 9 months ago | (#46173565)

+1 Interesting

Re:Sad news (-1, Flamebait)

rvw (755107) | about 9 months ago | (#46173615)

Complaining in the comments is not enough! This is the person responsible for beta. Contact her, buy a LinkedIn subscription if you have to, and tell her what you think.

Note: it seems that links no longer work in beta. Here is the URL: Alice Hill [linkedin.com]

Picture a pretty young woman with curly blond hair, and then imagine she is president of Slashdot?!?! How is this possible? Where has the world gone to?

Your feedback is important to us (-1, Flamebait)

M. Baranczak (726671) | about 9 months ago | (#46173021)

If you love the new Slashdot as much as I do, feel free to contact the owners and tell them all about it. Or, if you're on the fair island of Manhattan, just drop by in person, I'm sure they'd be delighted to receive you.

Dice Holdings Inc.
1040 Avenue of the Americas, 8th Floor
New York, NY 10018
T: 212-725-6550
F: 212-725-6559

One-way street to BETA (4, Informative)

davecb (6526) | about 9 months ago | (#46173313)

You can't get out of beta if you try it, as they removed the link that returns you to classic. Fortunately, you can delete all the beta cookies and return to normal...

Re:Your feedback is important to us (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173347)

I can't drive there and drop by, but...

Can someone find a real person to call there, in the right department ?

Re:Your feedback is important to us (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173537)

And post the details to the forum so we can organise a structured and methodical calling schedule to ensure that a moment doesn't go by where they are not intimately aware of just what a mistake this terrible thing Beta is.

Nancy Reagan says to just say no... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46172907)

Just say no to the Slashdot Beta foolery, that is.

Re:Nancy Reagan says to just say no... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173681)

Worked for Vader toooooooooooo!

Nostalgia? (-1, Flamebait)

2phar (137027) | about 9 months ago | (#46172909)

I have some nostalgia for the old days, before they launched SlashBI and we all thought it was an early April Fools joke. STOP THE BETA

Re:Nostalgia? (1)

jez9999 (618189) | about 9 months ago | (#46173401)

Yeah I know. Their notice says "we want to hear from you to make sure that the redesigned page has all the features you expect", but how many people have already told them that their arbitrary width restriction is fucking retarded and leaves half the widescreen monitor empty? Yet they've done nothing to fix it.

Re:Nostalgia? (4, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about 9 months ago | (#46173411)

So far I've seen Beta only once - the /. page showed up all messed up, and asked me if I wanted to try it out, to which I quickly said no - and since then I haven't been bothered.

But I must say, if Beta truly is as atrocious as I've once seen it, I won't be visiting this here site much in the future.

timothy is a faggot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46172917)

he also prefers swiveling cocks on his partners

Good for Sony, drop the underperforming unit. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46172941)

[FUCK BETA]

If you want a temporary reprieve from Slashdot Beta, browse as Anonymous with no cookies accepted. Fuck these hosers and their shitty redesign.

[/FUCK BETA]

Re:Good for Sony, drop the underperforming unit. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173013)

It's not working at all. Even with cookies disabled, you're still randomly directed to the Beta abomination.

Re:Good for Sony, drop the underperforming unit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173163)

It's not working at all. Even with cookies disabled, you're still randomly directed to the Beta abomination.

Maybe you should change to a better browser ?
I'm using Opera 12.15 and I'm not being redirected to the new /. unless I open it directly (and why in god's name would I do such a stupid act ?)

The new /. sucks royally. Keep the classic version.

First Slashdot Beta Sucks Post! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46172957)

Fuck Slashdot

Fuck Beta (-1, Flamebait)

CrispBH (822439) | about 9 months ago | (#46172973)

I've had the Slashdot RSS feed in prime position amongst my feeds for years now. I've been visiting /. on a nearly daily basis for a good 12 years. I have logged in solely to say that the beta layout has so utterly destroyed everything useful about Slashdot that if the powers that be do not revert back to the classic layout, I will permanently leave the site.

I know that many others feel this way. I have yet to see a single other person comment positively on the beta layout. I can only assume that this is an intentional ploy on the part of Dice to kill Slashdot; it's that bad. It's a shame because I have not found anywhere else on the Internet that provides the same mix of "topics I'm interested in" vs "insightful commentary". The beta layout removes all of that and more.

I can forgive the shoddy editorial standards, the late news, the duplicate stories and the trolls. But, to take away the usability of the site is something that will drive myself and others a long way from here, never to return. It's a shame. So, Dice, please listen to the users of this site, those who put eyes on adverts, and understand that this was a monumental mistake. Mistakes happen and risks are often worth taking, but in this case it clearly has not paid off; please revert the changes you've enforced before it is too late.

Re:Fuck Beta (1)

Threni (635302) | about 9 months ago | (#46173117)

1. Metro
2. Unity
3...Apple Maps
4...
5 SLASHDOT BETA!

Re:Fuck Beta (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 9 months ago | (#46174515)

1. Metro
2. Unity
3...Apple Maps
4...
5 SLASHDOT BETA!

6. Oracle
7. Lotus Notes
8. Healthcare.gov
9. PS/2
10. WIndows ME
11. Microsoft Bob
12. Clippy
13. Clippy
14. Clippy
15. Lotus Notes

"May no new thing arise" - Spanish prayer

Re:Fuck Beta (5, Insightful)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | about 9 months ago | (#46173183)

Indeed, a company that neglects the views of a site's user community is truly clueless. Slashdot has its own traditions, and Slashdotters like the fact that it has an older and faster design that allows more content on the page. That's part of what makes this site special. If Dice doesn't understand some of these very basic matters, then I don't trust them with the future of Slashdot.

The new design is really ugly Web 3.0 crap, by the way. Just a bunch of huge pictures, excessive whitespace, and fade effects -- treating a technical website like a picture book for Joe Sixpack! Part of the greatness of Slashdot was always its special moderation system, also, which controlled discussions in a positive way (not just +1 or -1 for dumb-dumbs). Talk about not understanding your demographic...

Re:Fuck Beta (0)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | about 9 months ago | (#46173977)

Quit your fucking whining. You have cheetos stuck in your neck-beard, btw.

Re:Fuck Beta (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 9 months ago | (#46174537)

A witch! A witch!

Burn her!

Find a duck!

Re:Fuck Beta (4, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | about 9 months ago | (#46174425)

Indeed, a company that neglects the views of a site's user community is truly clueless.

Not only clueless, but it's sheer stupidity. They release a turd site and ask feedback to improve it. Then they take none of that feedback into consideration and begin rolling that same site into live. A site which no one likes. Then no one comes here anymore. What else is this than pure stupidity?

All right. I will calmly watch this show to the end and see what the final result is. But if it resembles anything like what they are cooking now, I am left with no other options than to leave this website.

Re:Fuck Beta (-1)

ElementOfDestruction (2024308) | about 9 months ago | (#46173577)

Positive comment? How about this. Who gives a shit. You don't like it, then fucking stop browsing; a handful of upset assholes posting comments on every fucking story isn't going to change the plans of a site with a daily readership likely in the hundreds of thousands. You fucking cocky fuck. Just shut the fuck up.

Something positive would be you whiney cunts leaving. Fuuuuuck you!

Re:Fuck Beta (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46174315)

I don't think you understand how moderation works. If it were a handful of "assholes" (i.e. people that have different opinions from ElementOfDestruction) and no one else then said handful's posts would not receive the +5 insightfuls people have been willingly sacrificing their points for.

So who is left (1, Interesting)

nurb432 (527695) | about 9 months ago | (#46172985)

IBM sold all theirs off, HP/Compaq have merged, and Dell, who knows what is going on with that.

Re:So who is left (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | about 9 months ago | (#46173009)

Perhaps we are indeed witnessing the downfall of the PC era.

Re:So who is left (2)

nurb432 (527695) | about 9 months ago | (#46173125)

I think the industry has been its own undoing, as efficiency has increased, prices have dropped and its been harder and harder to make money even tho PCs still sell. If you cant move the volume you cant survive.

We may end up with a single company making them here soon.

Re:So who is left (1)

HideyoshiJP (1392619) | about 9 months ago | (#46173995)

I remember listening to a discussion on Leo Laporte's Windows Weekly [twit.tv] podcast with Paul Thurott and Mary Jo Foley regarding this.They seem to be under the impression that the PC manufacturers, in their mid-to-late 2000s price wars not only hurt the image of the PC with a race to the bottom, but also set an unsustainable price point. Admittedly, this is just one factor in the decline of the PC, but that certainly helped set the stage.

Re:So who is left (5, Interesting)

maynard (3337) | about 9 months ago | (#46173237)

Perhaps we are indeed witnessing the downfall of the PC era.

Is that good or bad?

For open platforms manufactured by large companies, it's bad. We can still buy barebones PCs and cheap laptops, but there's an obvious transition away toward locked down systems like tablets and consumer products.

OTOH: the old PC was a successor to prior hobby platforms that were fully open. The old ALTAIR / IMSAI, Heathkit, SWTPC, Apple II, etc world of 8 bit before it went corporate. If IBM had had its way, what we're seeing today would have happened much sooner. Ironically, we can thank Microsoft for stalling that outcome for decades. It had already happened twice with mainframe and minicomputer players decades before, as they swiped ideas and technology developed in university labs for commercialization and then locked them down.

So maybe this shift will engender a resurgence of very slow systems designed for hobbyists to built from scratch. A bifurcation of commercial products for the general public and a hobby community that might lead to hands on hardware / software development of entirely new platforms. A real resurgence of competition without commercial pressure because it's being done just for fun.

Such systems wouldn't fulfill the expectations of consumers. Nor should they. But they might be cool to tinker with. And that could have second order effects down the road that could impact future markets in unexpected ways. Or not. And who cares?

A hobbyist / commercial hardware split might be for the best.

Or, maybe I'm talking nonsense. I often do.

Re:So who is left (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 9 months ago | (#46173303)

So maybe this shift will engender a resurgence of very slow systems designed for hobbyists to built from scratch.

FPGA

Re:So who is left (2)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | about 9 months ago | (#46173017)

HP/Compaq have merged

Current affairs are not your strong point that was nearly a decade ago!

Re:So who is left (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 9 months ago | (#46173095)

I didn't say when.. only that they did.

Re:So who is left (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173105)

You mean back when Slashdot was good? STOP THE BETA

Re:So who is left (1, Informative)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | about 9 months ago | (#46173161)

Who is left - based on products actually available in stores in NL (and this is not 100% coverage):
HP+Compaq (437), Lenovo (270), Asus (260), Acer (191), Toshiba (173), Dell (166), [Sony (68)], Samsung (66), MSI (58), Fujitsu (37), Medion (21), Apple (20), Packard Bell (19), BTO (8). Then there's a few more from Panasonic, Razer, Gigabyte, Wortmann, System76, Google and Alternate. Medion and BTO are local-ish brands, Wortmann seems like a peculiar import out of Germany. ( Source:tweakers.net pricewatch )

Looks like there's plenty left in the notebook/laptop/etc. market. Still, it's sad to SONY exit the market as the VAIOs were rather shiny - the matching price tags didn't exactly help their popularity despite the shiny factor, though.

Re:So who is left (0)

east coast (590680) | about 9 months ago | (#46173231)

Slashdot Beta is still around, that's who.

Fight the power, brother. Speak out against the beta.

Re:So who is left (1)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | about 9 months ago | (#46173899)

East Asian companies, basically. Acer (Taiwan), Asus (Taiwan), Lenovo (China), Samsung (Korea), and Toshiba (Japan). In Japan and Europe, they also have NEC (Japan) and Fujitsu (Japan). Not all of them are selling traditional desktops in western markets, though, which is unfortunate. As for western companies, the number of big manufacturers has really been cut down to a tiny number -- Dell and HP, basically.

Re:So who is left (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46174039)

Apple? They sell PCs. They can even run Windows.
The many PC vendors are rather a pain than a good feature:
- they all only offer Windows
- they have proprietary bits in the least differentiating and convenient bits: non-standard chargers and power connectors on laptops, non-standard batteries on laptops.
And the Vaio brand has been destroyed a while ago. It used to mean high quality gear that's super light and has awesome and smart features. Now you can get a VAIO that is simple a low res 15 inch laptop that doesn't even look pretty. How can the brand mean anything?

Re:So who is left (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about 9 months ago | (#46174291)

> Apple? They sell PCs. They can even run Windows.

Apple sells overpriced novelty form factors.

PC vendors on the other hand all sell machines with components that are interchangeable with one another. This is even a factor in their undoing as it is far easier to keep an old PC running than a Mac. I can put a standard aftermarket video card or SSD in an old craptacular PC and it can be as useful as a new Mac (or PC).

I remember my old Vaios. Both of them were tweaked with aftermarket RAM and hard drives because it was simply cheaper that way. It was also a trivial thing to do.

Re:So who is left (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 9 months ago | (#46174097)

There was a discussion a while ago, where Phil Schiller was attacked because he said that of the companies making PCs when the Macintosh project was started, none were selling PCs anymore except Apple. Sony was given as a counter-example (although Sony only sold to the Japanese market at the relevant time, and stopped selling PCs for a while in the 90's), but now they are exiting anyway.

Swiveling camera... (1, Funny)

TWX (665546) | about 9 months ago | (#46173001)

From the summary:

I wish more companies incorporated the swiveling camera that they came with

Yeah, a swiveling camera would have been handy on Chatroulette. With fixed cameras embedded in the screen frame it's much harder to actually see the reactions from the other participants...

Why sell? Why not burn and collect insurance? (2, Informative)

erroneus (253617) | about 9 months ago | (#46173033)

I do not agree with some of the comments here. I have found Sony laptops and desktops to be wanting in so many ways not the least of which is the repairability. It amazes me they could actually put that many screws into such tight spaces. The screws must double the weight of their machines or more. And the durability of their machines? Ridiculous. I can't say that I ever bought or used any of their "high end" machines, but the ones I have worked with had problems at all levels. And I hate the software. There's simply nothing I like about Sony computers. They need to disappear, not get passed on to the next unfortunate recipient.

Re:Why sell? Why not burn and collect insurance? (0)

magic maverick (2615475) | about 9 months ago | (#46173223)

That's what I think about the new Slashdot Beta. It's awful. "There's simply nothing I like about [Slashdot Beta]. [It] need[s] to disappear, not get passed on to the next unfortunate recipient." In all the important ways it is unusable. It won't even load comments for me! It just says something silly like nah ah. WTF? So much for professionalism.

Oh, and I have JavaScript enabled for slashdot.org and fsdn.com so that shouldn't be a problem. (Unless they want me to whitelist some random other domains. Well, fuck that. I'd rather just leave.)

And without comments, /. is nothing. The comments are the only reason to bother coming here.

Re:Why sell? Why not burn and collect insurance? (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about 9 months ago | (#46174365)

I had good luck with my Sony laptops. However, that's been a long time. I tried the "laptop as desktop replacement" thing and entirely got over it long before it became a trendy thing in general.

Perhaps they tried to be too much like Apple.

Help kill beta! (5, Informative)

unitron (5733) | about 9 months ago | (#46173047)

Join the Slashcott!

February 10th - 17th

Re:Help kill beta! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173081)

Re:Help kill beta! (2)

MtHuurne (602934) | about 9 months ago | (#46173463)

It all depends on the numbers. If there is 5% less traffic in that week, they'll ignore it. If there is 50% less traffic, they might take notice.

Also, unlike most boycotts, this protest is not against an unpopular corporate policy, but against the product itself. The beta interface has such poor usability that I can't see myself using it, even if I wanted to.

Re:Help kill beta! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173351)

But what will I do on valentine's day?!

Sony Viaos suck anyway.

Also, so does Beta.

Fuck Beta (5, Interesting)

portraitofsanity (870052) | about 9 months ago | (#46173071)

Slashdot Overlords, You can continue posting new stories, but we will just keep complaining about the beta. Can you meet us halfway and actually create a story for us to dump hatred into so that we can go back to commenting on articles we haven't read? This isn't going to go away, and you might have realized this is not the most patient and incapable group. In a week this whole community can be destroyed or moved...

Buck Feta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173075)

I have nostalgia for when Taco ran this place.

Prove you're not a corporate tool, timothy, and cancel Beta.

Captcha: fuckbeta

Congratulations Slashdot! Beta SUCKS (4, Insightful)

TheNastyInThePasty (2382648) | about 9 months ago | (#46173103)

My advice to the peons working on Slashdot: find another job. The veracity with which this "upgrade" is being pushed displays a stubborness that can only be attributed to MBAs with no idea of what Slashdot is about. The fact that the commenting system is such an afterthought in the Beta is as much evidence as I need that the people pushing this redesign never use this site.

I know you don't get to decide whether or not the Beta moves forward or which design gets used, but believe this: You WILL be blamed when it fails. You work for a corporation now and the higher ups with undoubtedly throw you under the bus when they have to explain to their bosses or shareholders why the website redesign failed. This failure is going to be associated with you and your teammates and it will set back any hopes you have of being promoted within the company. Take the advice of me and my fellow Slashdotters: Get out now.

Re:Congratulations Slashdot! Beta SUCKS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173181)

And don't forget to fuck the beta!

Re:Congratulations Slashdot! Beta SUCKS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173253)

That is an important point.

Fuck beta.

Re:Congratulations Slashdot! Beta SUCKS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173861)

Voracity, which means a huge appetite, not Veracity, which means truth.

Re:Congratulations Slashdot! Beta SUCKS (1)

onkelonkel (560274) | about 9 months ago | (#46174173)

Veracity means truth, or accuracy or conforming to facts. What word were you looking for?

Re:Congratulations Slashdot! Beta SUCKS (1)

TheNastyInThePasty (2382648) | about 9 months ago | (#46174297)

Audacity was the word I was thinking of. Arrogance.

On-topic comment (2)

StripedCow (776465) | about 9 months ago | (#46173127)

I was going to make an honest, on-topic comment.

But... screw it.
Fuck Beta!

Slashdot Beta: Day two (4, Funny)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about 9 months ago | (#46173151)

It was a fitful night. Not much rest. The way the tragic events unfolded yesterday had left a type of brain trauma I've not quite experienced before. Whitespace.... gobs and gobs of it.. summaries taking up the entirety of my browser window..... the damn thing was relentless and sneaky; Sometimes redirecting to a familiar and sane UI, yet other times..... DEAR GOD MAKE IT STOP!!!!!...... *gaaack*... *AAaccck* *synack*... *thump*.

Re:Slashdot Beta: Day two (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173875)

Another day, another comment whining about change. STFU and go away.

It's confirmed. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173213)

It is now official. Netcraft has confirmed: Slashdot is dying.

        One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Slashdot community when IDC confirmed that Slashdot page views has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all websites. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that Slashdot has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Slashdot is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by the stupid fucking beta website and the wholesale discard of user feedback.

        You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin to predict Slashdot's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Slashdot faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Slashdot because Slashdot is dying. Things are looking very bad for Slashdot. As many of us are already aware, Slashdot continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

        Slashdot Beta is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core users. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time Slashdot users Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: Slashdot is dying.

        All major surveys show that Slashdot has steadily declined in market share. Slashdot is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Slashdot is to survive at all it will be among S&M enthusiasts. Slashdot continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Slashdot is dead.

That crippling bombshell sent Slashdot fans into a tailspin of mourning and denial. However, bad news poured in like a river of water.

What is the big deal with VAIO? (2)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about 9 months ago | (#46173251)

I never understood the appeal of the Sony laptops. It seemed like they were trying to hit the Apple price point but with reliability that made the Apple laptops look like the greatest feat of engineering since the wheel. Add to that all the bloatware that Sony installed as standard and I really can't find an advantage.

Re:What is the big deal with VAIO? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173427)

I think VAIOs had a repution for nice screens.

Re:What is the big deal with VAIO? (1)

Kensai7 (1005287) | about 9 months ago | (#46173465)

This came very close to my own experience. Sadly. I wish I could find a premium PC manufacturer who simply cared about delivering the computer without any sort of installed software, not even the OS (because even there there could be tweaking)...

Re:What is the big deal with VAIO? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173715)

VAIO laptops were extremely high end laptops - lightweight and feature-packed - back in 1997.

The MacBook Pro didn't come along until 2006.

Now VAIO's are proprietary garbage, but in the late 90's, if you wanted the best laptop money could buy, you'd get a VAIO.

Also, Fuck Beta.

Holey shit bros (1)

schlouse (36695) | about 9 months ago | (#46173261)

SONY SELLS BETA FOR UNDISCLOSED FEE

Dice touched my pee pee now it burns help me digg you have to

Seriously??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173267)

Ok, when redirected to the new “improved” /. beta site I looked at it and immediately looked for the link to take me back to the original site. Seriously???

WoW, my first post on /.

fuck beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173293)

fuck beta

Wookie or Beta? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46173311)

I can answer this. I would rather be orally pleasured by a wookie than use beta.

Good riddance. Worst computers EVER to work on. (3, Interesting)

Jody Bruchon (3404363) | about 9 months ago | (#46173325)

As someone who has had to rip open and repair Sony VAIO desktops and laptops for a long time, I can say with authority that they're the WORST computer brand EVER when it comes to the repair business. Every computer has two different model numbers, there are a seemingly infinite number of minor incompatible variants, finding used parts is a ridiculous endeavor (because everything has to have multiple model and part numbers and almost no part seems to be drop-in compatible) and I don't care if I never see another one on my workbench ever again.

Any full-sized laptop that requires you to remove the keyboard, all the top plastics, and heaps of fragile FPC cables just to get to the hard drive and memory is automatically ultra-shitty shit and the engineers responsible should be bear dick punched. [randomfunnypicture.com] Maybe the new owners will fix some of this mess. /rant

Re:Good riddance. Worst computers EVER to work on. (0)

schlachter (862210) | about 9 months ago | (#46174145)

Any laptop that HAS top plastic is ultra shitty shit.

Betamax (2)

dysmal (3361085) | about 9 months ago | (#46173415)

I sincerely hope that BETA dies a quicker and more painful death than Sony's BETAMAX.

I imagine the Slashdot beta (4, Funny)

gallondr00nk (868673) | about 9 months ago | (#46173461)

Looks absolutely dreadful on a Sony Vaio.

A Message from the Beta's Target Audience (5, Interesting)

hendrips (2722525) | about 9 months ago | (#46173567)

Dear Slashdot,

I'm fairly sure that I know what you're trying to do with Beta crap. You're trying to lure in a younger, more hip readership that's less technical but brings in more revenue. In other words, this "Web 2.0" redesign is trying to attract people exactly like me. I'm young, male, middle-class, and (possibly) looking for a new job, which I suspect is exactly the demographic you're aiming the Beta at. I'm also less technically inclined - I'm an actuary, not a programmer or an IT guy. As you can see from my posting history, I've only been here a short time, although I read and posted anonymously for a while at first.

But I hate Slashdot Beta every bit as much as the old fogies who are complaining above me. I don't come to Slashdot for flamebait articles or glitzy graphics, I come here because I want to learn about and discuss technical topics that I don't encounter in my day-to-day work. I read the discussions here so that I can understand the technical stuff that my office's IT lady tells me, and so that I can better understand the technology that I interact with. I comment in discussions here because I want to avoid the teenage, brain dead, narcissistic, color vomiting "new new internet" bullshit twittering that's infecting discourse on the rest of the internet.

I've just started participating in the Slashdot community. I'm pretty sure that I'm the exact demographic you want to attract. You had such a good opportunity to reel me in permanently. Yet you've utterly failed with Slashdot Beta. I've already abandoned a fair number of web communities after they gutted their discussion system or went too far with the Web 2.0 nonsense. Likewise, I'll regretfully, but quickly, abandon Slashdot if I'm forced into this Beta bullshit against my will and against the obvious will of the community here.

Sincerely,
hendrips, a representative member of your target audience
   

Japan Industrial Partners (JIP) (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | about 9 months ago | (#46173623)

"JIP"... How appropriate.

They look good, but... (1)

thevirtualcat (1071504) | about 9 months ago | (#46174023)

... that's about the only nice thing I have to say about them.

It's been a good five years since I worked in computer repair, but at the time they are overpriced for their specs and incredibly difficult to repair. I don't know if this has changed, but a recent trip to a Sony store suggests to me that it hasn't.

Also, Sony's blunders with DRM and their ties to the content industry have not exactly helped their reputation with being trustworthy. (VAIO! Comes with rootkit already installed!)

Also, what is this beta shit? I can live with "Web 3.0: The war on saturation." But not all of us have 1920x1080 monitors sitting on our desks...

This just in... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 months ago | (#46174203)

beta.slashdot is so bad that Sony had to sell its computer business.

I salute you (2)

OrugTor (1114089) | about 9 months ago | (#46174281)

My Vaio is 10+ years old and never a problem. Granted, it's an outlier especially wrt the hard drive but still...

Official News (1)

thexile (1058552) | about 9 months ago | (#46174383)

Slashdot Beta sucks. FUCK YOU DICE.

So Sony is (1)

g0bshiTe (596213) | about 9 months ago | (#46174445)

Weren't Dell computers a JIP?

So now Sony Viaos will be JIP's?

I had always thought they were good computers.
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